Guild Wars 2

Eveningstar.6940:

I wish I knew. I logged in earlier today and all ~40 players that constitute my friend list and follower list were offline. That’s the first time I’ve seen that on a weekend; it’s pretty discouraging, especially as I’m on Tarnished Coast.

Do you think this will hit the rp community that hard? They are usually much more flexable because of the added value they create for themselves by rp’ing

That was kinda hard to read. I guess I need a better education.

I honestly do not think so.

A fight just isn’t a fight unless you have to get revived for being a doof. As far as rewards are concerned, as long as they pay for the teleport fee, I have no problem with them.

francisling.2987:

You are just inciting a riot here.

And to compare WoW power creep with GW2’s. I am a 3 years WoWer, GW2 aren’t even a pint close, sorry to say.

I with all the dissatisfaction from the community, I think Anet will reconsider any tier restructuring from now on. So there’s no need to incite a riot around, Anet knows the problem very well.

they are a lot closer at 2.5 months than wow was

RicardoAR.9628:

I like the way it is now.

What you want is being able to take a fortress without wasting your money in expensive trebuchets, that require supplies to be built, and people going to resupply to the nearest camp. Using a catapult to defend a tower/keep right now prevents unorganized mindless zergs to be successful.

Catapults are the almost only way to effectively damage people rubbing against the door. Also, door catapults are part of the secret defenses a tower/keep has. Atacking one of them has this point of surprise that makes you think about another strategy.

Towers/keeps are for prepared players (no meaning pro players). Supply camps and caravan are for smaller groups, and you can take them for free.

Arrow carts are great too

Alodar.5794:

SoS should move over to Tarnished Coast!

We’ve had some great battles against you guys and when it’s getting late for us and you guys are starting to come on and the numbers are even there have been some great battles.

If you just moved over to Tarnished Coast, we’d be WAAAAYYY up there in the standings.

Madember (In game)
The Shadow Legion

SoS is already in tier 1, why do they need you?

Cat Amiss.9463:

Oh yay the 2vs1 cries have started

There has been a significant less presence in WvW since this PvE content came out on SoR, I’m sure the other servers have the same problem, but theres really no reason to say what’s what ignorantly like “BG has free reign over SoR” or start crying about “2v1” again for the 3rd time in a row

There must always be a reason for losing. That reason is never the losers fault in thier eyes. Because of this fact they never get better, because they have rationalized the true reasons away, and created one that they can live with.

Whether this is true or not, this is what it appears they have done to a whole lot of people.

Appeal to the no grind/stat progression crowd pre-release, and get them to buy the game. 2.5 months in, change the game to appeal to the progression crowd in order to try and sell even more copies of the game.

After you have recieved your money, hope that enough people are invested enough in thier characters to accept whatever you decide to do to increase revenue.

Brilliant.

Boomstin.3460:

Logun.2349:

If you got this far and are curious about the title of this post that’s how the bait and shift works when you advertise one thing and deliver something unexpected.

According to EU and US laws with ‘bait and switch’ we can get our money back from Anet, but will you refund our time reading this post? :P

Well unless you are screwing over your employer, you read this post in your free time.

Here is your refund…….

Give people the option to click on a commander icon and ignore it. that way only the ones you like will ever show up.

I would think 13 – 16k is not a whole lot of difference in tier one. Still up for grabs. I almost want to transfer over just to watch it unfold in the last few days. I won’t, but it’s tempting…..yes I am a strat thief :p

Housing is a cool addition that most people really enjoy. It actually had it’s own economic circle in EQ2, with crafters making furniture and players who offered interior decorating services.

In Vanguard, you had crafters that made different parts of a house and it could take weeks or months to build one, although the decorating was limited. A lot can be done with housing that would add a reason for some players to keep playing, while not having to worry about gear problems.

Housing is a nice little addition to endgame that has been proven to appeal to a huge audience.

The difficulty of the mobs in the new zone seems to me like a way for them to showcase the need for the new gear. If you have played other mmo’s you tend to realize while playing through this game that mob mechanics are not anets strong suit. They create difficulty by adding hitpoints, damage and imobilize.

This is power creep. It will happen again. They have already started down the road.

They never said the loot was going to be worth anything :p

I’ve actually gone back to play ME3 multiplayer, and find it a lot of fun. I still WvW here.

This has always been a problem with progression. Old zones become obsolete.

CaptainVenus.5179:

Am I missing something here? I personally remember paying £60/$60/60 Euros.

That’s half a years EvE online or WoW subscription.
That’s two top titled pc/console games.
That for many people is a new graphics card / sound card.
That for some people, is more than they will earn in a year.

Yes, I hate the new patch, and won’t be ‘playing’ again. But that is besides the point.

This is not a free to play game unless you, aquired it for free. That just isn’t valid justification to shoot anyone down for having real concearns.

Is Skyrim a ftp game? I think not.

Just you think about that.

you are from eu. get a refund…problem solved.

I think wvw is the furthest thing from thier minds at this point. The first big content update was very telling in where thier priorities lie. PvE is king, and always will be.

Rejam.3946:

10,000 posts (not including those that were removed) on a single topic concerning the game (whether for or against) and we’ve had 2 posts from the devs.
1 which started the whole issue, and 1 over 3 days ago which clarified nothing.
Now the patch has been implemented, we have seen the issues first-hand and still nothing.

How much longer can they dig their heads in the sand and wish this would go away?

Granted, they do have their hands full with patch full of blocking bugs that is intended to entice new players.

i am pretty sure they have thier hands full just trying to get thier event working properly.

DegoLocc.5976:

Most players are in the game right now, playing the event, having fun, a minority is on the forums crying. Nothing new here to see in the world of MMO forums.

I’m off to play the game, have fun with all the forum PVP, lulz.

I used to read these same posts on the swtor forums. Word for word what you just wrote.

I’ll be honest op. I really don’t think Anet cares how to win anyone back at this point.

RhysSebastian.7651:

Name 1 fight in the entire game, that requires gear more so than good movement and utility selection.

BTW you got me on the agony thing.

Actually you just inspired me, naked lupicus run with level 80 weapons sometime this week lol full party.

if the stats don’t matter, why add them?

Hycinthus.6483:

Regizer.1763:

I played few MMOs and never was I in situation where I felt forced to go in vent. Easy fix would to just not group with those people but if he does want to play with them he can just say he is deaf, most people should accept that reason.

Well, my cousin has never participated in raids anyway, because he fully understands he cannot contribute without using Vent. But the problem now is just simply being and existing in a guild that has required him to get on Vent. He just wanted to be a part of the community that are, from what I have seen (which may not be true across the board), increasingly shutting him out.

hogwash. he can contribute without vent, we did it forever in eq. He just needs to find a guild that will work with him. You run a dungeon a few times, and you don’t need vent anyway.

Glad you had fun

Ballistic.4531:

xtorma.1283:

It’s a done deal. even if this change causes a mass exodus, and huge drop in revenue, they can’t go back on it now. Look at SWG. Instead of admitting they were wrong and reversing the changes, they allowed the game to close.

What we have now, and going forward is GW2. Nothing is going to change that now. If you are so opposed to this change that you can’t live with it, then I would start looking for another game.

the only way I could see for them to reverse this would be to create new servers that had different rules. Everyone starts at 80, there is no leveling. Everyone gets access to the best gear immediatly, of every type. All zones are level 80. There is only end game crafting and you buy the right to craft from vendors. Progression is cosmetic based only.

Trading post is seperate from original servers. overflows are seperate from original servers. No hosting between server types.

So you are proposing to split the community even more?
I also think they won’t revise or revert to anything. Heck, they won’t even issue a statement about all this. I don’t expect them to do anything other than be quiet about all this mess.

I am simply proposing a way to keep those who are leaving. They wouldn’t consider doing this anyway. Daoc did something similer with legacy servers and so did EQ. It’s simply a way to appeal to the largest amount of people at the same time. The community is already split.

SiNoS.2147:

Regizer.1763:

SiNoS.2147:

Regizer.1763:

Ravnodaus.5130:

Regizer.1763:

Ravnodaus.5130:

Regizer.1763:

3 points or 12% is just a different way of saying the same thing

14% is more correct. I believe the exact number that was figured was something like 13.8% if memory serves, but that is just spling hairs.

The difference is, your +3 is just plain wrong Reggy my friend. The example item shown in the announcement itself had +5 power, +5 precion, and +3% magic find. It also had an empty slot to fill with an infusion, and we’ve found that infusions (fine grade) add another 5 to a stat. For a total of +15, and +3%.

After finding more examples than the initial one in the release, we’ve learned that the typical spread is +7, +5, +5, and the extra +5 from a fine infusion. For a total of +22… and that is per item.

+22… +3… hrm, yeah… how are those the same?

Not to ruin your math but does this consider empty upgrade slots for armors/weapons?

Your question is irrelevant in the way you ask it. But to answer the question I think you are trying to ask, yes, it accounts for the total difference in stats possible, not just the difference of an empty exotic vs empty ascended.

An upgraded Exotic ring with an exotic jewel will have 22 less stats than an Ascended ring with a fine infusion.

Ok so lets go from here. Assuming what you say is true then its a bigger stat upgrade. This stat upgrade is only necessary for 1 dungeon. Once again I still don’t see what all the complaints are about.

Because it infact isent for just that dungeon. Anyone wanting to be competitive in wvw has to have this gear or be at a disadvantage.

Wrong. You do not NEED this gear for WvWvW, if anything you WANT it. And in that way Arena Net has succeded.

Ok then once people have full sets let see you go into WvW without it. You will notice a massive power gap. You do NEED this gear. Your full of false info.

You are trying to hypnotize Lou Costello here. There is a reason why it won’t work.

It’s a done deal. even if this change causes a mass exodus, and huge drop in revenue, they can’t go back on it now. Look at SWG. Instead of admitting they were wrong and reversing the changes, they allowed the game to close.

What we have now, and going forward is GW2. Nothing is going to change that now. If you are so opposed to this change that you can’t live with it, then I would start looking for another game.

the only way I could see for them to reverse this would be to create new servers that had different rules. Everyone starts at 80, there is no leveling. Everyone gets access to the best gear immediatly, of every type. All zones are level 80. There is only end game crafting and you buy the right to craft from vendors. Progression is cosmetic based only.

Trading post is seperate from original servers. overflows are seperate from original servers. No hosting between server types.

Pherenice.8124:

Blacktide will lead the EU ladder for a long time, but this weekend already shows zero interest from other servers to participate in WvW.

Deso’s Iron took a week off after their leaders took the funds and vanished into thin air.
VS doesnt seem to have much spirit left either to fight Blacktide atm.
Tier 1 EU = never been so boring.
This pve patch dint make it better either, no changes in WvW -_-

GW2 developers made a huge mistake by letting it stay in 1 week battles with free transfers.
But hey we are just a few simpletons right ? what do we know about competitive gaming ?

Not logging in for the next week and maybe the weeks after that.

Arenanet might lose a big chunk of WvW players, and thats not a good sign.
if only they would read good posts and acted like they cared for WvW, then it would be a totaly diffrent WvW game.

Hope that can get it sorted out asap before only a hand full of guilds stay to WvW.

I sorta hope they don’t communicate much because they are so busy working on improvements. It’s a fools hope, but it’s all Iv’e got atm.

Regizer.1763:

A new tier of gear (1 item) was released that adds a whopping 3 more stats to current best gear. Apparently this a low blow to the community.

Tell the truth.

BMW.2951:

Mikitten058:

MiasmicMist.1420:

Score update? I was called in to work shortly after taking SM. Yay for reset delay! spit

Get home we need more people in EB.
3:30am EST hit and outmanned buff came on, but had a ton of fun with BG.

@BG
To those of you who destroyed the tower treb, that was really fun. Y’all caught on fast <3
Also, you guys are very quick to react when we set a ballista to kill SM 3rd floor trebs.

That was an awesome place for a treb man! Gj. Took us awile but we managed to get you guys

All about the teamwork broseph.

Beastgate is back!

We won’t make things easy for you, but hopefully we will make things fun.

Also IOJ may be a little behind, but don’t make the mistake of thinking they are irrelevant. They tend to make a server regret such thoughts.

It still is a shining beacon of hope. It’s just now a beacon for wow players that don’t want to pay a monthly subscription.

The new gear works in WvW.

Anyone remember the first open world event in rift when they opened the second dungeon? It was about the same as this. A huge disaster. I am thinking this is a very hard thing to pull off.

I would think the monthly part that requires new content would be taken from the permanant parts of it. like dungeon runs, mob killing whatever.

I’m waiting for the programmer who works for “some other mmo” to come in here and give everyone a lecture on how hard it is to unerringly code content, and how you can’t test for every little problem because of the time involved, and how we should all just chill unless we have a CS degree and work in the field.

Fixed doesn’t always mean fixed in any mmo. It just means an attempt was made :p

A lot of folks said this was going to happen. a lot of folks said it wouldn’t. A lot of folks were wrong. normal everyday stuff.

Yup , i agree. I hope they come up with a solution to your request. It must be hard to try and be competitive with this kind of disadvantage.

good luck +1

Regizer.1763:

Columba.9730:

Regizer.1763:

Columba.9730:

Regizer.1763:

Columba.9730:

no. it’s no longer casual friendly. 90 hours per piece of gear to be competitive isn’t casual friendly.

If you want to be competitive then you are no longer a casual player and I’m not talking about gear.

I don’t play games to be cannon fodder either. that’s not my idea of fun.

You play any sports?

Irrelevant, but I am a long distance runner. I don’t consider this a sport. I consider this a game.

Oh it is relevant, would you say you would be able to be a competitve long distance runner just because you got amazing running shoes?

If the shoes had +5 to run speed on them, sure.

krookie.6378:

xtorma.1283:

Mind telling me why exactly you’re doing a completely optional grind if you don’t want to and don’t have to? Seems like a bit of a weird thing to do.

It’s not an optional grind. The items have better stats and are pretty much a requirement.

xtorma.1283:

Okay well first off, don’t insult me by implying that I’m a WoW player, because the only MMO I ever played in my life besides Guild Wars 2 is Guild Wars. And second, yes, if I like the grind for Ascended gear, more power to me. You have basically summarised my entire point. If I want to do an optional grind, more power to me. Just like if I wanted to do the already-existing optional grind for a Legendary weapon, more power to me. If you don’t want to do an optional grind, then don’t. Because a skilled player with a Weaponsmith sword will beat a crap player with a max-stat Ascended sword any day of the week, with his eyes closed.

What about two equally skilled players one with uber sword , one with crap sword.

Stop being so sensitive. The issue is not skilled player vs noob player. It’s skilled player with exotics vs skilled player with ascended armor/weapons. We can hypothesize about this all day. The fact is that the superior quality items are pretty much a requirement simply because they are better.

I didn’t insult anyone, i just asked a question.

It’s done. This is how they believe they can best raise revenue, and they went with it. If it works, they win, if it doesn’t they look for another way. Anyone who thinks anet is of the gamer, for the gamer, by the gamer, is living in fantasyland.

Bottomline is they will be just as quick to throw any contingent under the bus, if it means bigger profits. The manefesto crowd is just the first contingent they chose.

Elricht Kaltwind.8796:

Keelin.5781:

Elricht Kaltwind.8796:

They’re “moving away” from it because they introduced new items? rofl you people are ridiculous.

You’re ridiculous. If you had read any of the old interviews or even the manifesto you wouldn’t even need to doubt this.
But please, by all means, keep your head in the clouds.

I’m ridiculous? Why’s that, because I’m being pretty kitten honest and not jumping on this bizarre bandwagon of butthurt with you and everyone else? Because I’m not linking screenshots of me asking for a refund over the addition of new items and calling for others to do the same, as if it proves some point? Rofl this is unbelievable.

Seriously man, take a step back for a second and look at what it is you’re crying yourself to sleep over. The addition of a few new items that aren’t even as good as other items that already exist in the game. I mean are you joking?

krookie.6378:

No. They are moving away from it because they introduced an amazingly incredible grind for gear. I spent 6+ hours in the new instance with 3 different groups. I got 25 relics for my time and 1 rare ring.

Mind telling me why exactly you’re doing a completely optional grind if you don’t want to and don’t have to? Seems like a bit of a weird thing to do.

If you like this grind, more power to you. I’m happy that you have a game that you can enjoy for a few weeks before the next WoW patch.

Okay well first off, don’t insult me by implying that I’m a WoW player, because the only MMO I ever played in my life besides Guild Wars 2 is Guild Wars. And second, yes, if I like the grind for Ascended gear, more power to me. You have basically summarised my entire point. If I want to do an optional grind, more power to me. Just like if I wanted to do the already-existing optional grind for a Legendary weapon, more power to me. If you don’t want to do an optional grind, then don’t. Because a skilled player with a Weaponsmith sword will beat a crap player with a max-stat Ascended sword any day of the week, with his eyes closed.

What about two equally skilled players one with uber sword , one with crap sword.

Regizer.1763:

xtorma.1283:

Regizer.1763:

Well this thread went quickly from constructive to complaining.

what exactly do you expect people to say?

Well for one I expect them to say nothing if they have nothing constructive to add. But then again this is MMO forums, so I’m not surprised to see the quality of some posts.

By constructive you mean positive right? because negative critique is not constructive right?

How about this.

while i was lagging through the event, I noticed how pretty the water looks while i was teleporting from one place to another. The mystic forge was great fun, i can buy the exact same gear i can get from the karma merchants but I don’t have to use that annoying free waypoint, very convienent. The scavanger hunt was awsome, I am sure the end will be even better, once I am able to finish it…whenever that is.

The dungeon was very challenging. The mobs have this ability to freeze you in place and kick you from the dungeon, so you have to join another group and start over. It really raises the difficulty bar.
the best thing of all though, is that maybe ioj and blackgate will be so tied up in this fantastic, awe inspiring display of computer enginering expertise, that they won’t show up for the wvw reset and we can take an early lead!

Also i think i saw a unicorn and a rainbow.

Regizer.1763:

Jabberwock.9014:

Regizer.1763:

Where does it say you have to ignore the rest of the game? Where does it say you have to get a new item as soon as it comes out? Do what you find fun in game. No one is forcing you to rush in order to get an item.

Ahem, let me repeat myself: If we want the best. And who said anything about rushing? You can spread it out as long as you want, but in the end you’ll still need 100 hours or more for ONE back item. ridiculous.

And yes, I would still like input from people who have done more than one run in a row.

The numbers you posting are only speculation. Dungeons tend to become easier the longer they are out. And besides whats the point of making new content if it can be done soon after it comes out. This is MMO, where progression over time is needed.

the dungeon is designed to get harder the more you run it.

Regizer.1763:

Well this thread went quickly from constructive to complaining.

what exactly do you expect people to say?

I can’t suggest to them how to fix thier coding. I can’t teach them how to anticipate numbers, they have all that data.

I’ll start over

What i like…Well the cut scene wasn’t bad

I can’t comment on the invasion, because i lagged the entire time.
I can’t comment on the scavanger hunt because it is bugged.
I can’t comment on the dungeon, because i keep getting kicked from it, and then I have to start over.

What i dislike

blingg is the most annoying npc ever devised.
I keep getting mail every time I zone.
The mystic forge/badge thing is just a reason to pull money from the economy.
I can’t see the invaders until they are already dead.

This i gleaned from about 1.2 hours of trying my best to like this event.

The only thing i can really suggest , is that they create a test server and test this stuff before it goes live. This is a complete bugfest.

Rift had the same troubles with thier world events in the beginning.

buggy as kitten so far.

Most annoying thing ever.