Guild Wars 2

No

but what can you do.

Zergs need things to kill while they are running around the map. It keeps thier bloodlust elevated.

bojangles.6912:

stof.9341:

I heard people say that only WoW/Blizzard will kill WoW. It seems that it’s happening here, only GW2/ArenaNet was needed to kill GW2.

How many “main stream” mmo’s have been shut down? SWG, Matrix Online and CoH will be or is now.

I don’t know of any others. And I don’t mean little companies/titles like you see on ads for some romper room mmo. I am talking the big ones. UO and EQ1 are still around.

Also no new game is going to worry about GW2 and saying “GW2 killer” because GW2 isn’t even close to the ranks of a WoW. Elder Scrolls online people will compare it WoW more than GW2. GW2 is just another mmo that was hyped and failed like AoC, Tera, Aion, and Warhammer etc.

Tabula rasa tanked like faster than light speed.

This is the only time they will ever introduce higher stat gear……they swear this time…..honest.

I’m here until someone else comes out with three way WvW.
I wish i didn’t have to grind new gear , but that is out of my hands.
They are going to make as much money as they can, and if that involves tossing out everything they have ever said, it’s just the way it is. No corporation is any different.

Areananet is not a company of gamers, striving hard to make everyones gaming wish come true. They are a company of professionals that have to make a paycheck to raise thier families, and they are just as beholden to thier stockholders as Walmart is.

They see this change as necessary to increase thier revenue stream, and no amount of posting is going to change that. Even if enough people leave, and it starts to impact thier revenue, it will only cause them to replace whoever decided this was the way to go.

Ascended gear is reality now…….the end.

xtorma.1283:

Google engineer bunker builds

I don’t play an engineer, I am sure one will be along shortly. I hear you guys stick together

Google engineer bunker builds

Xeres.3724:

Probably its “fans”. Because no matter what ANet does there will be a group of fans (large or small) who won’t like it – come to these forums and complain about it. But instead of constructively criticising the decision you’ll get a ton of posts about how the game is dying, etc.

Plenty of constructive criticisim.

Rakhar.4615:

I’m curious how they would do player housing. There aren’t a whole lot of games where I like it to be honest. EQ2 was really the only one, and even then I mostly just liked having extra storage. There are a lot of RPers playing though, (yes, I play on Tarnished Coast) so I can see it being very good to give them a place to meet and not be bothered.

xtorma.1283:

They said one day they would work on it. Prolly after they have the treadmill well established and spinning.

Can you really not answer a simple question without griping? There are tons of threads about the new gear. You don’t need to derail unrelated threads.

Perfectly valid answer. It answered the question, and gave a possible reason why it hasn’t been done yet, or even announced. It’s like when I call the mechanic to ask if my car is finished, if the answer is no , he usually gives me a reason like…….we are really busy today.

Perhaps. I know they watch the economy very closely. It wouldn’t surprise me that they are constantly adjusting drops rates and spawns.

LordByron.8369:

xtorma.1283:

Some people always think any game they play is dying. I bet they have people who play single player games and are like….man this game is dead.

some poeple deny a game is dying simply because once it died they won t be there to hear “told ya”.

Most players like us instead saw many games die for reason far less worse than this…..

In my whole experience in fact this is the worst turns in a game i ever saw….

This coming from a player not understanding the overall complaints about things like mass effect 3 that seemed futile to me.

that mass effect three thing was hilarious. I did so enjoy the multi-player though.

They said one day they would work on it. Prolly after they have the treadmill well established and spinning.

There are games that do this much better , and have 20 times the content. The people who gravitated toward GW2 are the people who actually wanted horizontal progression. Therein lies the problem, for some people.

Glad you are happy though.

I’m excited about this change. I’m also excited about my next dental appointment, if that tells you anything.

Oh yea i forgot…New windshield wipers today! oh yea!

I think its funny. wish it would turn you into a baby quaggan underwater though.

Houdii.2563:

So commanders can’t spam chat in caps over and over and over? Thank god.

They wouldn’t have to if people would just download and use a voice server

SoR

We are going to hold this tower, we will hold this tower!

About 50 SoS incoming!

Hmmm…where did everyone go?

WvW is the only thing keeping me playing.

All this hate for SoS is kinda funny.

Woohoo , my armor is finaly finished!

Some people always think any game they play is dying. I bet they have people who play single player games and are like….man this game is dead.

cherrie.8907:

Zynthetic.2954:

cherrie.8907:

GW2 has no
- in-game support
- account restoration nor plans for acceptable system (rollback only, no ETA)
- no reimbursement system even for colossal player losses caused by game bugs
- no dungeonfinder
- good dungeon mechanic

You forgot to mention there’s no loyal and happy fanbase.

Noes, what are you saying!
ANets most dedicated players just got their wishes fulfilles, after all, according to Chris’ post. Get your facts straight, man!

-_-

it’s going to be a bumpy bus ride for a while until they finish running over everyone they threw under it.

I’m pretty sure capes are whole lotta graphic issues. especially when 200 plus people are in a small area, unless you want the overstarched pine plank cloaks they have in wow.

invulnerable
invulnerable
invulnerable
invulnerable

Dorps.8610:

Peetee.9406:

advice from a sanctum of rall commander….

the doors in tier 1 dont fight back either, keep showing up when nobody from. the other servers are on, you got this!

mmm sounds like someone is a sore loser

Na , he didn’t even play on SoR this week. I think he pretty much said we suck and he was thinking about not coming back.

Good Luck to SoS. I have a funny feeling you are going to need it.

When these guys sit down at meetings , thier first concern is always going to be revenue. Cosmetic progression most probably was not bringing in the revenue they had hoped. Those people up top at areananet are not judged on how much fun you are having. You could see this quite clearly in wow, where they dumbed down the game to cater to the wider revenue stream.

Bottomline is , promises in business last only as long as the profits. Anyone who thinks they won’t add another tier of gear if they feel it will raise profits, is not being realistic. It does not matter an iota to them who leaves the game, as long as the margins are there.

They have bet on the fact that this will raise revenue, and the losses to population will be offset by more frequent purchases from the store to aquire the new gear. they absolutly knew going in they would lose players.

Eleazyair.5716:

Dibrom.6408:

Eleazyair.5716:

So someone promised significant changes to a profession in the latest patch and didn’t deliver.

Yes

Eleazyair.5716:

Well, at least there are changes in the pipes right?

You’re basing that on the failed promise? I usually don’t believe people who start lying.

I 100% agree with you. I’m as mad as everyone because I was treating this patch as my saving grace to remain interested. But I’m trying to look at this through a logical perspective. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

It did burn down in a day though.

My theory is that the gem purchases started slowing down so they decided to come up with a new tier of armor to stimulate cash shop revenue.

just as valid, but not nearly as long winded.

Loosifah.4739:

Nerth.3940:

Loosifah.4739:

I read your post, and comprehended it.

But your post does not quote them saying “There will never be a higher tier than exotic” or “Exotic will forever be best in slot” or “We will never for any reason add ascension gear”.

All it says is they introduced it because of a reason, that doesn’t say it wasn’t already on the drawing board; but just being postponed.

ANet clearly stated that this game will not have vertical gear progression at max level. Every gaming blog on the planet got it, players from Guild Wars 1 got it, people that bought this game for this specific reason got it even review sites got it and recommended it to players with limited time to play games.

Why can’t you get it?

And why can’t you get that the game’s nowhere near complete and that there’s already a progression system in place? They’re just adding a tier that they never said wasn’t going to be there.

Granted if they keep adding new tiers it’ll upset me as much as anyone else; but currently they have kept to their intention of no gear treadmill. A single step is far from a treamill.

A single step……..is the beginning of every journey.

If the op were correct, Anet would have made a post that said as much, and nipped this in the bud.

So have we determined who the vocal minority is yet?

There are those who play the jp’s like a mini pvp game. They enjoy it, and i see no reason to take it from them.

Sdric.8526:

8300+Replies.
90% against a treadmill.
“The community wants a treadmill”

I’m sorry but I really think this is a mistake.
This is no small and ignorable issue people will learn to accept in time.
This is a 180° spin which brakes everything the name Guild Wars ever stood for.

If we can’t stop it, I hope they do realize it in a few month and disable this ascended grind madness again.

Actually they are counting on just this. They are hoping the amount of players that they lose will not impact profits significantly, and that those who do stay, but are opposed will eventually fall in line and accept about what has transpired.

Then the next time they raise stats on gear, they can point back to this and say….see it wasn’t that bad. They are setting precident. It’s a hook, and a line with a shiney new ring as bait.

Sjaakie.1470:

It has nothing to do with flaming. You talk about that one time you finaly managed to get some towers of SOS when hardly anyone online? The towers you lost again within an hour or so? But nevermind. I know that on IOJ there is no interest in attacking SOR because it is not worth it. Every now and than we have people who say: Lets take blue. Respons than is: Nah, they are not a danger, they just play to become second, let them.

I am not talking about 2 against 1. Whatever gave you that idea? All I wrote was that SOS does not belong in Tier 1 and SOR and IOJ not in Tier 2. If that is flaming and hurt your feelings I can understand you are struggling to become second. Than at least you can tell you did not lose in a game where there is nothing to win anyways.

Enjoy your day and wait till reality starts to hit you and I will welcome you to the real world.

I guess it’s better then playing for third.

What else is kinda sad is that some folks spend rl money on transmutaion stones to get thier armor looking just the way they like it because they thought they had the final tier completed.

so if they have 0 transmutation stones left. they have to buy 10 more in order to get thier look back, because they only come in sets of 5 and you need 6. So not only did they add stats, but they added a potential gold/rl cost to upgrading as well.

Sneaky stuff there

It’s a veteran. ummmmm

Toroth.1453:

I too am losing interest in wvw. I used to enjoy logging in to claim and upgrade towers but then 30-50 sos show up out of no where like a bunch of mongols. Sure we usually wipe them with far less numbers but they just keep coming back even while ioj is taking their camps from behind. the early morning hours are the only time I have time to log in and fighting oceanic servers has killed the experience for me.
We on SoR are NOT ready for tier 1 nor tier 2. Also, anyone else notice mara stopped playing soon as she/he was voted best gw2 commander? Kind of funny imo.

Personally , i like both SoS and IOJ. They fight well, think well and provide a challenge. SoS has better coverage over a wider time frame, it’s just the way it is. There are times when ioj and sor eat up the map, sos just does it more often and at the times when they get a lot of ticks before they lose thier gains.

I think Sor has given both servers a good fight, it just simply wasn’t enough for first.

Trying to corner a market can also backfire right in your face.

Omega Mayhem.7163:

Why we don’t care you are leaving…

We don’t care.

speak for yourself

Kasaski.1795:

tudaa i tell the truth

not sure you are aware of this, but you have a huge book glued to your back, and its smiling.

Skykiller.3160:

morrolan.9608:

Skykiller.3160:

Seriously guys they are adding ONE new tier to items! ONE! They have already said that they will not be adding more.

No they haven’t.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/A-message-from-our-Studio-Design-Director-Chris-Whiteside “We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.” I rest my case…

it only says they wont be adding a new tier every three months. It doesn’t say they will never add a new tier.

The risen never sleep, the risen never stop. The risen hardly ever drop.

We all have supply!

Hate this game…hate it! (logs in)
Freeking crap wvw system…(removes wvw gear)
Worthless freeking armor in a few days (tosses armor in bank, removes magic find armor)
Freeking grind grind grind (ports to orr)
kitten cc everywhere, it’s not even hard..just annoying! (loots 100th mob)
Freeking bots ruining economy (sells farm loot)
kitten orb drop nerf (salvages yellows)

2gold woop de do….logs off

next day at work……..man two more hours till i get out of here and can go play some GW2

Silver Chopper.4506:

I lost a lot of interest in the game by reading about the introduction of stats inflation, raising the power-cap (for no good reason, just to have higher numbers because apparently people can only ‘feel’ progression if they did 100k damage).

Not to mention I lost respect and trust for the game designers.

I can’t tell them how to make their game, but they have to make a decision and stick to it. A few years from now, is the game going to be based on horizontal progression or is it going to be a vertical progression?

There is camp for both sides and I understand both arguments, but you can’t have both in the same game.

I personally will not have part in a vertical item progression with stats inflation. It’s not what I play a game for. If this is the path of GW2 I will simply uninstall and move on. There doesn’t have to be any drama. I just need some transparency from the game developers.

I thought the manifesto and pre-release statements were very clear they will stick to horizontal progression like they did in GW1. But they changed their tune now.

So what will it be Anet?
Say it straight up and I will understand and respect your decision. But please don’t lie again.

Obviously they don’t have to stick to any statement they make.

Like politics.

they say no new taxes to get elected , and when in office raise taxes. When people scream that they broke thier promise they say…well we said no new taxes, this was an old tax that was discontinued, and now we have just reinstated it.

And people are like…oh well thats ok then….

Narkosys.5173:

And this to the vital question.
Can we believe what they say?
They say there will never be pay to win ever – but they just scrapped one of the founding principles.
So even if I was ok with this do I trust them not do it – to resist the temptation of the killer weapon for $10.
That is the profound question I am asking myself.
PS why do you think it was only 60, many purchased gems.

Because who goes back on what they say more than once? ever? It’s common knowledge that once someone goes back on what they have said, you can forever trust them not to do it again.

They wont add more gear levels. Trust them this time.

Darknass.1903:

“…scaling the dungeon to the highest common attained level.”

This sounds to me like it will scale based on a mean of the group so that if one or two of the players haven’t been deep enough to attain infusions, the dungeon will automatically be set to a difficulty not requiring the infusions. That way people without them can still run with people that have them and thus will not hinder the groups progress, that’s my thought anyway.

Except for the fact that rewards scale, so there will be some of the standard….lfm 10 fractals completed minimum.

EQ and EQ2

Those were the days my friend.

Caran.3217:

xtorma.1283:

Doesn’t really matter. You will either stop playing or keep playing. They have already made the decision that it will not impact them negatively finacially. Thier hope is that it will bring in more people, keep some people who would have left from leaving, and that will offset those that leave.

I am sure they knew that there would be a level of dissent. I am sure they surmised that they would lose players. I am sure they took all this into account and decided that the ones they throw under the bus would not impact thier bottomline as much as sticking to thier original plan.

If you are disappointed and quit, they don’t really care, you have already been factored in and accounted for.

Hahaha, yes sure thing because they’re so wise and can’t make massive mistakes. Flip back a page or two and find the post with the link to the LotRO Devs admitting total failure with a new game concept/mechanic, after they lost a lot of their playerbase and had to go F2P. So much for ‘accounting for’ lmao.

I simply believe this is thier reasoning, I never said it wouldn’t backfire. That remains to be seen. Communities can make a difference , look at mass effect 3 and it’s ending.

Snerf.1650:

Polluxor.5970:

Why aren’t ascended items just like exotics in stats?

I would really like to know the reason for this.

This is the real question that most people are missing. Everything is superfluous except this question.

All they need to do to fix this kerfuffle is change the plan and make ascended and legendary items exactly the same stat-wise as exotics.

Stick infusions on ascended items and keep legendaries just for looks.

Boom. Problem solved!

This is assuming that they believe they have a problem. I don’t think they believe this will impact them in a meaningful way.