Guild Wars 2

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Yak-s-Bend-is-on-the-rise/first#post534080

So what server will you be transferring to middle of next week?

Actually, it would encourage people who have orbs to go PvE more. That’s exactly what you want the winners to do, in my opinion. If they go beat up on monsters everyone else has more time to capture WvW territory.

I’m in the same boat as you on wanting an actual Dev response on this. I just put up a thread with a list of questions for devs, and Orb / Outmanned bonuses is on the list. Show your support and let’s see if we can rally up enough people to get them to respond: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/It-s-time-for-a-Community-Update-ANet/first#post534105

Metalripper.5406:

I agree with this,. Please Anet, don’t forget about us.

I’d just like to add the rendering issues to that list, while it’s not as bad as it once was, it continues to effect gameplay.

I completely agree. I initially omitted this because they actually did mention that they are rigorously working on this during their AMA on reddit. However, I think we deserve more details so I’ve added it to the list.

ANet, you’re probably already aware of this, but you’re about to hit a critical point in time where you either have to fix WvWvW or risk a significant portion of your community leaving. Every day these forums remind me more of the Diablo 3 forums, and it was depressing for me to watch a game I wanted to do so well die such a poor death because of a development team that didn’t pay attention and listen to the community quickly enough. WvWvW is close to being a fantastic experience, but your players can’t keep slogging through the glaring holes in your design for much longer.

I implore you all to offer us more transparency. You have created an experience in WvWvW that I haven’t been able to enjoy since playing DAoC, and I have been yearning to rediscover that for a long time. If you will actually open a conversation with us and make it clear what your plans are to patch the problems in the WvWvW experience, we can definitely weather the storm. However, giving us a vague post that “Something is coming” is not sufficient; a generalized AMA in reddit is not sufficient; a month old post on night capping is not sufficient. Without an open channel of communication dedicated to the WvWvW community, I give WvWvW about 2 more months before it becomes a ghost land. You must help us prevent this, so please answer the following questions:

• What are your plans and time frames to rectify the current server imbalance issues? In specific, how do you plan to combat transfers to a winning server? How do you plan to combat time-zone disparities between server populations and the group tendency for players to cluster based on their timezone, i.e. Sea of Sorrows and their Oceanic coverage? More importantly, when do you plan to implement these changes?

• Do you have any plans to modify the current scoring system? If so, what are you considering? Are these considerations attempts to mitigate the problems caused by population disparities?

• Do you have any plans to change Orb bonuses or the outmanned buff? If so, what are you considering?

• Why is the commander icon based on gold? One of the biggest problems in our community are “Credit Card Commanders” that bought the pretty icon, don’t join our voice comms, and then mislead the zerg. Do you have any plans to change these requirements?

• We appreciate your discussion of culling during reddit’s AMA, and we understand how hard nasty O(n^2) problems like that can be to solve, but we need more information on what you are doing to combat this. What solutions are you toying with right now? What kind of time frames do you have for implementing these solutions?

• Why are bugged enemy guards appearing in East Keep and Garrison, and why did they become more prevalent after a recent patch to the point that they are smashing the altar and siege in East Keep? Why does it take more than one patch to fix this?

• Why does map activity only show up for my active map? Why can I not access the BL maps without being in WvW?

• Why is there no information on WvW score mechanics? People are still trying to figure out how points-per-tick are calculated and what extra bonuses count toward score. It’s hard to command a game of chess when you don’t even know all the rules of the game.

• What are you doing about botters in WvW zones? Many of us understand that you do 1-month banwaves on malicious activity. This is not sufficient in WvW where these players actively steal slots from others on the server. Seeing the same botters in the lake every day actively demoralizes players.

• Why are we not getting advanced notices of patches in WvW? This sort of variance can throw a WvW game or cause many gold of freshly built golems to vanish. Why are you unable to refund gold for players after this occurs as well?

• Once everything stabilizes and we move to two-week matches, do you intend to take a more active approach to game moderation or will you continue to be L’aissez Faire. i.e., will you be returning hacked orbs or will we continue to have to deal with this until it’s patched?

• What is the timeframe for resolving the numerous bugs related to keep lords and orb behavior, i.e. orbs becoming untakeable, orbs disappearing, zones failing to go contested after the champion lord dies?

Please reach out to us and give us concrete answers to these questions.

My fellow players, if this post resonates with you and you want more information as well, please reply expressing your support. If you feel that I’ve overlooked any concerns here, please add them and I will edit them into this post.

Time to go look up YB’s placement in the next matchup…

Yep, can’t wait to see what you’re posting at the end of next week. Maguuma outzerged the crap out of you all two weeks ago and now Maguuma is getting outzerged by Darkhaven, which you’ll be up against. Good luck!

iii.3905:

yeah kinda boring fighting no one really… nsp and mag please field more people thanks

Every server with night-time presence is either

a) in one of the top 3 tiers
b) playing player versus door

If you ever get bored consider transferring to a different server to help fix that problem.

Hey Hsinimod, you should get some reading comprehension. It wasn’t bots, it was a group from 2 guilds as people already said in the thread. Also, I answered his question in the first response — It’s not an exploit, it’s a tactic to take advantage of how AoE mechanics work, and yes you are correct that the AoE cap is 5 per tick. Targets are calculated based off of proximity to the center of the attack each tick.

Good call on dropping a ballista; you already thought this one through a lot more than OP did! Thanks for calling me a donkey-reared jerk too~

We can mobilize, break, and regroup our stacks quickly on Mag now. We’re getting really good at moving them around in live environments and countering people back when they try to break us up. If you’ve been trying to find a new server, read this thread and realize that Maguuma is the place to be

Also, when we lose, we fight back instead of whining on the forums like the servers we fight!

fellyn.5083:

Interesting you say that because it happened at least 3 times to me earlier tonight in back to back fights. They were sporting the lovely [GOON] tag.

But yeah..never happens. I just imagined a guardian disappearing into thin air when his health was about to drop to 0. I wasn’t aware that Anet gave guardians stealth in the patch the other day. My bad.

OT whining in a Maguuma tactics thread? Our opponents get this demoralized even when they’re winning!

Right-click name, click report — retrieve account name from the “report” box that pops up.

NSP busted out of nowhere today. Holy kitten that 3way at DH east keep today was awesome. Keep the battles like this coming.

Next week will be fun then!

Hey SoS,

All of us who fought against you from Maguuma and Dragonbrand last week predicted that there would be a schism between your NA and Oceanic presence that would slowly devolve into mudslinging and ultimately a server split. While we would like to enjoy some schadenfreude watching this play out over the next week, for the sake of every server’s WvW balance, please don’t act like PRX did in their post a few pages back. We don’t want to encourage another server split that is just going to jumble up the rankings yet again.

Thanks.

Nice story. Next time just take the exit to south supply.

I would like to see matches start on Monday to lower the start-of-match variance and crash that happens in every division. If they do that I may re-evaluate what I think of 2-week matchups.

It’s possible to have a mesmer portal someone from outside directly to lord room. My server is also having problems with bugged guards at EK spawning in lord room. They keep breaking the siege at back and the altar so we can’t place orb there :/ You may be running into one of those two things.

I agree. We should have some fun when I get on. Any DH commanders around from about 10:30 AM – 3PM Central time? We can find an open field, have a zerg v. zerg match, and test stacking, portalbombing, etc… tactics and counters. I’m game if y’all are.

Kobra.1438:

Shush all this trolling, wait dont you hear something … its Maguuma falling yet again down the ratings, hmm so much for your superior tactics. Enjoy Fort Aspenwood and Dragonbrand next round. Love fighting the NSP way more fun than these morons.

Keep the faith Darkhaven we will prevail.

Why, because you occasionally don’t wipe when you fight NSP?

fellyn.5083:

zastari.1730:

I’m bringing it up because I’m trying to say that Darkhaven is mostly Bad Players that Complain A Lot because they don’t have any tactics. If you go read the JQ / SB / IoJ thread you are not going to see a single person complain about LoSing, stacking, or portalbombing. All of them already understand that it’s a legitimate strategy.

Also, you’re right that they don’t need to outnumber us 2:1, it’s closer to 2.5 or 3:1.

Who was complaing about LoSing? And just to be clear you mean line of sight, right? That’s like the most basic pvp tactic in any game..ever. And I haven’t seen a single person talk about that so I’m not sure why it’s on that list.

LoSing makes culling problems worse even though it’s a good tactic. We’ve been called out for taking advantage of culling several times in this thread so I lumped it into the mix. Also, nice of you to edit out your part where you told me to go join a higher population server. At least you realize that’s the very reason that WvW in this game is in the state it’s in. Some of us don’t want to bust the rating system even more by bandwaggoning on to high pop servers.

I’m bringing it up because I’m trying to say that Darkhaven is mostly Bad Players that Complain A Lot because they don’t have any tactics. If you go read the JQ / SB / IoJ thread you are not going to see a single person complain about LoSing, stacking, or portalbombing. All of them already understand that it’s a legitimate strategy.

Also, you’re right that they don’t need to outnumber us 2:1, it’s closer to 2.5 or 3:1.

So after two posts in this thread explain how to circumvent this tactic you still think it’s insurmountable? Listen, you may want to stay out of WvW and go back to attacking mobs instead. You’ll find they think a lot more on your level.

Samaul.6073:

joebane.5872:

There are lots of reasons to stack and lots of ways to counter it. Don’t Zerg, use siege.

So let me get this straight. We should stop on the road to a supply camp and set up siege at precisely the right location in order to counter the stacking of AoE buffs and healing effects should they occur?

WHOA!!!! I think he figured it out!!! It’s almost like you should….. Counterstack and drop a catapult on your stack spot.

So did you lose enthusiasm because you just wanted to run in a zerg and press autoattack to win all day in WvW? Next time try thinking up a counter instead of complaining on the forums.

Edit: /wiki Area of Effect before complaining also. It sounds like you don’t get how it works.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Area_of_effect

Sekin.7803:

I play WvW almost everyday and I have yet to see any of these but…

… I actually saw one… one guy in his downed stage turn naked in split second…
Most players just alt f4 but he takes one step further…

Switch to your town clothes when downed. Save yourself some repair costs.

Having constant crossed swords on EK due to the bugged guards at inner gate was annoying enough. Having bugged guards in lord room of EK and Garrison is gamebreakingly stupid. I’ve been seeing lots more reset orbs in my matchup recently and it’s definitely because NPCs are breaking the altar and causing the orb to reset when no one grabs it in time.

This isn’t some complex problem to solve like culling. This more looks like some inattentive programmer put the wrong values in an array when they were hardcoding out guard properties. Why the hell isn’t this fixed already?

FatFuzzy.2659:

Wow, did I pick the wrong server to transfer too…..Oya, more mesmers please use your ‘mirror self’ spell to exploit inside of keeps, thank you…stay classy DH mesmers!!!

You should join Maguuma, because even when the other team exploits into our west keep we kill them at lord room by paying attention to the map.

Arani.9057:

When a Mesmer portals we have to run up to that location very vulnerable and exposed even with stealth, and in many cases we don’t survive the efforts. You guys make it sound like we risked nothing or didn’t put together a majorly coordinated effort to use multiple Mesmer portals. The only time things are “easy” are when the enemy is complacent with scouts or situational awareness.

It’s a little like watching the catas chip down the walls as you Batista/Mortar them, then being surprised they actually took the wall down. A Mesmer ran up to and most likely through a giant AoE choke point alone in a possible suicide run to move their armies, and no one stopped a single squishy Mesmer who doesn’t have enough stealth to make it that far invis the whole way. You counter siege, you counter, “counter siege”, counter AoE, counter infiltration after every turn over, everyone “Mesmer sweeps”, you counter portals by don’t let them get it down (kill the Mesmer), don’t let them breech.

I feel like I’m playing football every event as I bob and weave to get past all your Mesmer blockers… you saw me coming (or had the ability to), and some knew to counter it (more and more everyday), and I got through, and my friends will be here shortly for all that effort.

When there’s a render/culling issue it is mutually hindering both sides. No one has that advantage. Both sides have AoE restrictions. I’m not referring to exploits or bugs issues, only legit Anet intended uses of Mesmer portal.

Yep, this post is exactly the answer.

I play mid/mid-low tier servers and the amount of opponents that just chill or drop only an autoattack on me when my tiny asura hauls kitten out to their trebs is kind of bewildering. Especially so when they complain about portalbombing and stacking on the forums afterward instead of slaughtering me next time.

saiyr.3071:

I hope you guys embrace the tactic instead of alienating the guilds in the picture.

Indeed. Unfortunately 90% of the important skills for a stack are absent from that picture. Can’t fault them for monkey-see monkey-do though!

rias.6872:

Something about Maguuma portal bombs and zerg stacking.

They pull it off really well when they were defending a tower and wiped Darkhaven’s zerg force. Bunch of GOON and few other guilds inside that stack. Around 30-40 came out of the stack after we wiped. Very organized. Very disciplined.

They then proceeded to easily bring down walls to AB keep in DH Map. Funny thing is, everything they do reach Lord’s area… the offensive force seems to be weak and they wiped. Same thing happened few hours ago too. They were already at Lord’s area. But they just stack at wall and siege us… even though they outnumbered us.

You guys should have just charged at us. So sometimes Maguuma pull off very nice and organized portal bombs and defense …. but at the same time your guilds do some questionable tactics or actions that made me go, Huh? Why they do that? They could’ve wiped us.

We don’t know how many of you are there. We have rendering problems too.

Every organized server should have spies in enemy team chat and voice comms as well as have a group destroying supplies during busy hours / during upgrade periods.

Snort.3698:

The secret is to be proactive. our guild looked at situation and moved to Blacktide, now we have good allies on our server and competent enemies.

Moving to a server with a real pvp focus helps.

You’re right, the secret is to be proactive. Like proactively hopping out of your borderlands to take all of their camps and towers while they are busy zerging your own. It’s worked great for my outmanned server so far.

“If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.” — That Book

…Or you can just hop servers and fudge the glicko system up then complain more in this thread.

I imagine almost all of the people complaining on this thread play on a server without global voice communications established. Do yourself a favor and fix that (by setting one up, not transferring to a server with one).

I’m on a server that’s getting stomped this week because we’re against a freshly zerged-up opponent (Maguuma fighting SoS). However, most of us in Mag are having a blast because we’re all on our voice comms absolutely rolling over objectives with our much more limited numbers.

You can click on their name and type /invite or /join to talk to them.

~The more you know~

JohnnyRockets.7593:

zastari.1730:

Arrow cart down the siege if it’s up on the door; portalbomb the siege if it’s far away. If it’s a keep and we have a waypoint, run to grab supply at around 1:30 on the defense timer and port back in when the event resets to repair walls. Have a dedicated person keeping catapult fire on the front door as well.

What is portalbombing? And why repair only after the event resets?

Portalbombing is using mesmer portals to drop your entire force on their siege so they can take it out and port back into the keep before the enemy knows what happened.

If you spec a mesmer for stealth and teleportation, you can run portals to anywhere inside catapult range. Treb range is usually a bit harder and requires some misdirection before you can pull it off.

As for the timer reset — figure it out yourself. It’s a pretty big advantage that I’m not just going to give away.

We had this problem in Maguuma once until we found the giant botfarm ball that was in the ocean farming krait. I don’t really care about botters, but botters occupying my queue space makes me want to hack a gibson to stop it.

Darkami, you’re set to be matched up against Maguuma and North Shiverpeaks next matchup. I can’t speak for NS, but we’re in exactly the same boat in Maguuma, so get ready for an awesome matchup next week

I dunno that sounds about right for the SoS I know. Our outmanned night crew at Maguuma blows up so much gold worth of enemy siege each night before our last keep drops that it’s hilarious.

Good luck with your road trip! Read that Sun Tzu book while you’re on the road because it looks like you need it!

Arrow cart down the siege if it’s up on the door; portalbomb the siege if it’s far away. If it’s a keep and we have a waypoint, run to grab supply at around 1:30 on the defense timer and port back in when the event resets to repair walls. Have a dedicated person keeping catapult fire on the front door as well.

Sea of Sorrows became the next zergfest server because a bunch of DB guilds transferred there after last matchup. Then some HoD guilds transferred there too. Then a bunch of bandwagoners transferred there too.

Whoa,

I just realized there’s a good chance that we’ll be matched up against DB again next week if DH continues to wreck kitten. If you’re a DB guild, hold off transferring for a week if we get matched up, it’s been a really fun fight when we’ve trawled through the green mass enough to find you!

Also, note that this is the exact opposite of what the Sea of Sorrows immigrants from your server did when they left. This is why we are awesome and they are clowns.

Reminds me of Darkness Falls in DAoC… a PvE incentive for the best performing PvP server. It’s exactly what this problem needs. Good god Anet please read this post.

Kong, I want to thank you and the other guilds I have been speaking to that have transferred to or are trial-running Maguuma. We’ve felt your presence on our fields so far; I was leading supply camp groups in the morning and suddenly something that was too coordinated to be called a zerg amassed behind me. Before I know it we’ve taken most of the keeps twice and we’ve put the biggest dent into SoS we’ve made yet:

http://i.imgur.com/G0szS.jpg

Stick with us and you’ll never have to worry about those population bubbles that put the stock market to shame when we make it big.

I also want to give a shoutout to how awesome the Maguuma crew has been recently. I’ve led forces two times now, and both times I don’t have to do very much leading because, well, everyone already knows what to do. I’ve never seen any sort of player mass in a video game that can quickly split tasks and regroup, break into squads and take patrols, or do other complicated maneuvers with such cohesion.

I heard in Mumble today that two guilds have independently chosen to transfer into our server and augment our forces. I want to thank them and any other guilds that have joined or are considering a move to Maguuma; we want organic growth of dedicated players through small guilds just like you, not large hierarchies transplanting their root structure from one server to another.

We were able to build some incredible morale and sweep across the borderlands yanking towers and keeps left and right. Sea of Sorrows… I have some bad news about your 24 hour coverage. When you climb up just to get knocked back down… remember… 420 Maguuma every day

http://i.imgur.com/G0szS.jpg

the Maguuma / DB / SoS scoreboard looks the exact same… Except the ratio from green’s score to the rest is even worse. Most of us on Maguuma are still having a blast though. We’re absolutely slaughtering SoS given our disparity in numbers, and we have an awesome time during the nightly garrison hold while we try to keep our last piece of the map from falling over.

OP, if you’re complaining about the game not being fun because you’re behind, you’re probably one of those fair-weather players who is going to hop to whatever server is in the lead at any given time. Realize that it’s the same mentality that you’re giving in this thread that is causing these stupid matchups to appear in the first place.

We would rather camp out our garrison. It’s a lot more fun for us and a lot less fun for you (which makes it more fun for us!!!)

Arforyon.1746:

I think we have a record today, they took it just now. After the longest time, quite the amount of siege wasted and soo many sos badges lol. quite the accomplishment for Sos, they even brought fireworks. Well played.

Excellent work on a new Oceanic Zombie Mode record

Ralathar.7236:

Yeah, try being the 3rd place realm that never gets to upgrade it’s stuff because both sides see easy takes compared to each others fully upgraded towers they got while nobody else was on lol.

I agree it’s our fault for not being able to field the people, but the game also encourages farming the weaker of the 3 realms for points instead of actually fighting the stronger realms.

I’m from Maguuma, and we played against you last matchup. We won not because we had a heavy night-crew but because a group of guilds set up global server VOIP. This matchup, we’re getting steamrolled and losing everything we have every night because we have no night coverage and are up against an Oceanic-heavy server. I know what the field looks like when you get rolled by nightcapping, and I can tell you that nightcapping doesn’t explain your server’s performance (okay, maybe it did at the end when you all had vanished due to the score spread).

Rather than giving up and blaming nightcapping, I would recommend considering what you can do to improve your performance. EBay has a lot of potential that you all need to organize together and realize.

Arforyon.1746:

Meannwhile in Maguuma garrison: SoS has a hard time against a handful of Maguumans.

Welcome to every night. We held off until right around 6:00 AM central last night (it was almost at exactly 5:55 I believe). Did the Maguuma graveyard crew make it longer tonight?

I was around for the holdout last night and it was hilarious. I lost count of how many catapults, trebs, siege golems, and ballistas our 15 man holdout portalbombed into oblivion while the entire SoS zerg kept sitting there, tossing more coin on the ground, slowly continuing to bruteforce their way into the keep.

Well at least I see that SoS is finally using some smart tactics in this thread — They need to start building that camaraderie now before they get their faces stuffed in by every single other server that has 24 hour coverage.

I think the Jumping Puzzle post raises an interesting point about the style of Maguuma and most of the SA Goon population (I’m not a goon so apologies if I’m off point a bit here goons!) — We’re the kind of people that don’t just play the main ‘game’ part of the game. Part of the game to us is trolling and demoralizing you in jumping puzzles; part of the game is posting propaganda on forums to fill up our servers to make our WvW better; part of the game is trolling and demoralizing other servers in the forums so we get a better psychological edge in WvW.

If you like that style of play and you like a good dose of metagame with your game, Maguuma is a perfect server for you.

I don’t know about your slipshod servers, but Maguuma has been 200% committed to WvW since day 1.

The serverwide mumble is incredible. I came to Maguuma as my brother was playing here; we’re both DAoC vets with lots of RvR under our belt but no big guild affiliations in GW2, so I was mostly by myself. I’ve been able to make friends with tons of new people and join an awesome guild, iRez, full of PvP afficionados and impromptu commanders that have risen up through their dedication to WvW.

Last Sunday I had my first chance to command our server, and I got to watch us turn a 100% green home borderland into a map where we owned two keeps and were slamming and demoralizing a queuing opponent that’s had us hideously outnumbered the entire week. I would have never had an opportunity like this on any other server I imagine; guild politics and unnecessary hierarchies would undoubtedly get in the way. Instead, I gave commands that make sense, and an extremely coordinated hive mind grouped up and followed them. I’ve never seen such a synergy in a server population before — our commanders order and our troops listen because we’re all the same bunch. You don’t need a blue icon to get people to follow you on our server; you just have to prove that you’re dedicated to the WvW community and you can make smart decisions.

I would recommend joining a server with global voice communications available. It’s a lot easier to get things done by yourself or with a small guild when you can interface with the rest of the server at large. Your guild can get a role assigned and know exactly what you need to do on a WvW map, or if the opportunity arises, you can lead the channel and everyone will be ready to execute your commands if they make sense.

We use a serverwide Mumble setup on Maguuma and it works extremely well. I’ve gone from being a lone wolf to being able to command a queued server thanks to our open communications and cooperative, ego-less server population. It’s pretty incredible to say “All aoe on cannons” and watch them melt in 3 seconds, or to tell two full squad groups to get supply and come back to east keep and you see 10 people x up in chat, disappear, and run back in 5 minutes with enough supply for 2 more catapults. You don’t have to be the leader of a giant alliance to get people to do that on a coordinated server like Maguuma.

If you’re curious to see what it’s like, try switching to Maguuma and asking for the mumble information in /team.