Guild Wars 2

Glad I found this, just came back from a game ‘vacation’ myself and was like WTF! LOL!

I can agree with the ‘time sensitive’ part of the application, maybe they could switch the current left and right mouse button to make left draw again, and the right pop up the lil menu with the X and the Check and the exclamation triangle etc… ?

By the way, for all the “WE WANT FIGHTZZZZZZZ”:

THIS is where you go.
and THIS is what you do.

So, you can cut out the “less PvE in WvW” / “more PvP in WvW” crap!

Like I’ve said before, WvW is BOTH; PvE ¤AND¤ PvP

STIHL.2489:

If anyone really wanted to “spy” they could make a free account, and just join the server they are facing.

^ Because this ^

Sure, maybe some lame brain out there may use or try to use your stream as an “advantage” (to know where you are and what you’re up to), but at the same time that’s NOT enough reason NOT to do it.

Because as STIHL pointed out, if people REALLY want to spy, they can just make a free account, level a toon to 60, and spy that way!

I say go for it. It’s a GAME and you should do whatever you want to have fun in it, even if that means streaming it.

I don’t see the need for any added delay either because NONE of the services out there offer literal “real time” video/stream. Most if not all of them have at least a 30 second delay already just based on how things work. Adding anything more would kind of be pointless to the point of streaming anyway (to be in as real time as possible)…

I say go for it!

LOLZ

All I can do is laugh at these threads!

NO, NO, NO, and NO

Nothing you say will change my mind. kitten I fight over this stupid map thing with the Mrs LOL

Again, the DBL is superior in every way…

Carry on…

I will agree and cannot refute that both have their own pros and cons. Though that goes with anything in life!

I personally like the new DBL better. But at the same time I miss having a JP in the BL since the DBL doesn’t have a JP in it.

I do like the JP in the ABL, but for the most part I think that map is too old and boring now…

I personally think they should find a way to implement both at the same time rather than “rotate” them. I think this would be much better, then you can play whichever you desire to, all the time!

Not to mention, rotation, will bring about “fights” about which one is superior, or which one is liked more etc. To which I say DBL is superior “in every way” (minus not having a JP I guess LOL).

It’s okay though, I even fight with my wife about this matter, she prefers the ABL where I prefer the DBL. I’m always shet talking to her over it, and visa versa >.> But I guess that’s a perfect example to why they should just find a way to implement both rather than a “rotation”. Of course, she is da wife, so it’s all just “fun n games” shet talking, but still shet talking nonetheless…

That’s mature…

Who said nobody uses the arena?

Here’s some proof to the contrary:

Q_Q

I miss my fire keep!

Josh XT.6053:

Just throwing something out there for you.

My guild is level 13, we barely have any of the WvW buffs because ANet made most things unattainable for small guilds to get. It will be awhile before I have more WvW buffs, I currently only have the exp and magic find buffs and the ability to claim towers and camps lol. But I can’t progress my guilds WvW buffs until I progress other PvE things in my guild hall so that I can get other things.

Prior to HoT, my guild had all of the WvW buffs. We desperately miss what we already earned, but have no way to get it back besides spending insane amounts of money on guild hall upgrades.

Why I claim things with only my 2 tiny buffs? Because I worked hard for those two tiny buffs lol. I only claim camps and the occasional tower – but I only claim things that I actually captured with my 3-5 man group.

Is it a troll claim? Nope, its just a claim because I took it lol.

^this^

There’s basically no such thing as a “troll claim” any longer. Just because my small guild only has AuraIII, like XT said, we worked hard for that shet!

Probably was luck, but yea, the only time I remember being “obstructed” was when I believe it was rightfully so (I was obstructed)…

LittleAussieMozzie.7425:

wvw is whatever the kitten you make of it

THREAD WINNER

We have a winner, that’s it go home folks!

psizone.8437:

FogLeg.9354:

That is one of the reasons those terible maps were removed first place.

It’s not specific to the Alpine maps… Desert and EB have similar issues.

No actually it was not. At least I never ran into this issue on the new BL’s…

Menaki.6329:

Alpine have outdated look? Many player have or had reduced the graphic quality for battles. Who looks after the graphic, if you should better concentrate on the fights SIEGES you have? The alpine maps in gw2 were always my favourite maps in gw2, not only in wvw, in pve too, I just leave Timberline Falls here. Somewhere in the forum was a poll about the most liked map in gw2, this pve map was mentioned many times.

FIFY

Pang supply camp has this issue too, as I’m sure many other areas do; but it’s really pretty bad at pang!

Get over yourself.

People are free to do as they wish in the GAME. Different people do different things to have said “fun”. “Fun” is subjective. What you find “fun” others may not, and what others find “fun” you may not; so again, get over yourself!

Scamp.5296:

Sadly, no “official” Anet response to even show us they see this yet… maybe you should post this on Reddit, too, as they seem to post there “officially” more than here, on their own message boards. :/

I can with 100% certainty say that someone from ArenaNet has indeed read this post/thread. The only thing I’m not 100% positive on, is if he or she is on the WvW team.

That’s all I can say at this time

If you don’t want to get involved with a very heavy very convoluted fix for the population issue – here’s the easiest possible fix I could think of from a technical standpoint for you guys to implement:

• make one “server” for PvE – for players who do not wish to WvW – they can join this one (PvE will still be megaserver [even for the WVW servers], don’t get me wrong here [I’m not proposing any PvE changes])

• reset all accounts (during this “update” make all accounts “server-less” or on the “PvE server”)

• allow people to chose their server, people who don’t even WvW can select the sole “PvE” server (heck, call it “PVE ONLY” if you want to) while people that want to WvW can pick their WvW server.

However therein lies the big part – you guys need to (while doing this) implement hard caps, that is, this would be the part you force us to disperse. Make hard caps that cannot be exceeded regardless of how many are online / offline at any given time. This is a number you would have to chose (and possibly play with) since we do not know your metrics.

Now, to combat servers filling up then going “dead” because players go “inactive” or otherwise quit the game – you’ll have to design and implement something that will automatically “kick” people to the “PVE ONLY” server after a certain period of inactivity. I’d think either something like 7 days, or 30 days should suffice. That way, after either 7/30 days anyone not active will be moved back to the PvE server and no longer take up a “user slot” for that server, and someone who wants to be active can take their place!

Then we have to solve recruiting, so, well, since “stacking” wont be an issue any longer, just make server transfers free again. Now we can recruit people in PvE and they can transfer over to come play with us, no matter where (what server) they’re from, because it’ll be free for them to transfer. That is as long as our server isn’t hard locked due to having too many people to have signed up for it.

The ONLY thing that’s going to fix population AKA “server stacking” issues is having HARD CAP LIMITS in place in one way or another. So that it becomes PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to stack any given single server…

Unless they make it PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to do, people are going to do it till the end of time!

It is not a fix it is a bandaid, nothing more nothing less.

ANet wants people to think they’re doing something or that this will work or to “have fun” again. They want people to be like “OMGZ I’m having fun again” so they get their friends to come back too.

And apparently it is working, FOR THE TIME BEING – because a bandaid is just that, TEMPORARY…

AGAIN, they need NEED NEED – to address CORE issue(s) before moving onto bigger fish.

Otherwise it’s putting the cart before the horse!

LOL if you say so, then if they “unlink” them people will be like OMG AR sucks, and just leave again.

You’re the one who’s clueless here pal

It’s never too late really, although they never address it. Instead they keep giving us BANDAIDS. EoTM was a bandaid to this problem. The current “mashup” (I refuse to call it a “merge” since it’s not permanent), is a bandaid to the problem.

If they’d stop tossing us bandaids and actually FIX it already then they could focus on things that are actually more trivial. Like what map(s) are or aren’t on or how any such “rotation” works or anything like that…

But server stacking is one of the CORE issues with WvW. They need to address the CORE issue(s) first! Because like you said, you wouldn’t mind all maps being active, but you’re concerned about a queue. Okay, this makes sense – but queues would not be an issue if anet would just get off their duff and start with fixing CORE issues.

The rest is really trivial as long as we have fundamental core issues… =\

There wouldn’t be a queue problem if ANet also got off their duff and fixed it so that we the players physically could NOT “stack servers”…

Because it is rather poor implementation to “rotate” them. All maps should just be active at once, so nobody has to be “benched” while they wait for their favorite map to come back into rotation…

TheGrimm.5624:

lil devils x.6071:

This does not work in a game mode where the score is kept due to it giving teams “bad map handicaps”. Not sure who all you think this makes happy due to the fact that many players will not play on EotM map or DBL, it certainly will not make them happy, because as long as there is a score kept they need to be able to play on the entire court.

This is a compromise to keep most people playing. You are a good example. When DBLs come back into rotation you are back to just EB. Rotations are going to leave some of the player base out each time it cycles. You know people that won’t play on DBL, I know people that aren’t playing on ABL. Why limit our population.

So to continue your analogy, you prefer to sit out half your play time on the bench when the game rotates?

Well said!

Hold on, I almost fell out of my chair; you all talking about score like it means anything.

Hold on, let me catch my breath…

Akkeros.1675:

sparc.3649:

bu bu but the DBL was superior in every way =\

omg
its like the twilight zone

Tower of terror, yea – fun ride

I like your idea Funnily enough I actually thought of the same thing (almost)

sparc.3649:

Here’s an idea:

FIX the actual problem at hand with server stacking THEN:

Give us ALL maps for “WvW”, one EB, one ABL, one DBL, and one be the map from EoTM (we wouldn’t need EoTM as it’s currently implemented because server stacking and queues wouldn’t be a thing)!

Still 4 maps, EB, BL, BL, EoTM (map)… Now THAT would be cool!

bu bu but the DBL was superior in every way =\

I pull out my SAB boombox!

Here’s an idea:

FIX the actual problem at hand with server stacking THEN:

Give us ALL maps for “WvW”, one EB, one ABL, one DBL, and one be the map from EoTM (we wouldn’t need EoTM as it’s currently implemented because server stacking and queues wouldn’t be a thing)!

Still 4 maps, EB, BL, BL, EoTM (map)… Now THAT would be cool!

Blockhead Magee.3092:

sparc.3649:

displacedTitan.6897:

Already bored of the Alpine maps again.

Thank you for pointing this out, now I can point out to some of the trolls that I was right!

I said this, a few times: that subjectively (day, week, month) people would get bored of them because they are too old and plain and wide open and boring!

I was right :P

You are so wrong. My guild mates and I are playing on our BL which we haven’t done in several months. We hate the simplistic and tedious desert BL and appreciate the superior Alpine BL.

Just give it time, maybe you’re one of the ones it will take a month for :P

displacedTitan.6897:

Already bored of the Alpine maps again.

Thank you for pointing this out, now I can point out to some of the trolls that I was right!

I said this, a few times: that subjectively (day, week, month) people would get bored of them because they are too old and plain and wide open and boring!

I was right :P

To further clarify:

I’m not saying to make any changes to PvE itself, even being on a “WvW server”; when you’re in PvE, you’d still be on the “megaserver” as they have it implemented currently. I’m basically saying make it separated on the WvW side. Make an “extra” or new “server” for (or even called) “PvE SERVER” – and those people wouldn’t be able to or wouldn’t have a WvW. If you want to WvW you transfer to one of the already existing 24 servers, which would have HARD caps. If they’re full, sorry (no more stacking)! To account for when people stop playing (for whatever reason or however long over the threshold) they automatically get “kicked back” to the “PVE server” so that someone that WANTS to WvW can take their “slot”…

SIMPLE solution!

SyLaR.3628:

What about adding limit to server transfers? For example you can transfer only once every 6 months. This would limit server stacking and help to balance populations.

Something must be changed with transfers, if we want to have balanced populations.

It’s not the transfers themselves that are even the problem; the problem is HARD CAPS, or lack thereof. People couldn’t transfer to STACK a server, IF there was a HARD cap in the first place…

That is what anet needs to fix. The system as it stands is broken and allows for people to stack.

They could make transfers FREE again, and make it so you could do as many as you want as often as you want IF they fixed the CORE problem; being able to stack a server in the first place.

They should make a single “PVE” server that doesn’t have a “cap”, then anyone who doesn’t wish to WVW could be “signed up” for that “server” (megaserver). Then they should set HARD caps on all the WVW “servers” and once they’re full, THEY’RE FULL; and completely LOCKED against ANYONE else being able to join that server. At any time of day and regardless of how many people are on or offline.

To account for people going inactive and people leaving the game mode or the game all together they could simply have an automated system in place to “send” an inactive player to the “PVE server” so that their “slot” opens up for someone else who WANTS to be active in WVW. “Inactive” would be determined by ANet; such examples include, 7 days, or 30 days. So, under my example, if a person didn’t log in and play WVW for X amount of days, they’d automatically be “kicked back” to the “PVE server” so that someone else could take their place (or unlock if the cap has already been reached) on that WVW server.

That would be the EASIEST way out; it really wouldn’t take a whole lot of effort on their part!

It would also solve the recruiting issues that go hand in hand with the situation because anyone you recruit would be able to transfer to your server (assuming it’s not full and locked) for FREE…

penelopehannibal.8947:

sparc.3649:

So, there’s no effective way they could even detect this.

How do you know?

The first being that I LIVE (read: eat sleep and breathe) I.T. The second being common sense logic, if your keyboard performs these actions at the hardware level there’s no way for that to be detected because even if you were trying to (detect it at the software level), since it’s being performed at the hardware level, it would “look like” you were manually operating it. So again, the only way would be one form or another of admission.

Even detecting “programs” (software) that do this would be next to impossible, at least for any programs they’re not specifically aware of. And that would be to say they do have a way to search to detect for the ones they are aware of. Simply put, they would have to be aware of a programs existence to “look for it”. So if they are aware of PROGRAM1 and PROGRAM2 and search for it, and you use it – then MAYBE you would get caught. Though if you simply use PROGRAM3 instead, well they’re not “looking” for that one, so again, this is nothing more than a “feel good” rule that they cannot effectively enforce.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m against “botting” as one would traditionally think of it in the sense of hearing the word (as a gamer). I don’t think one should be able to set a PROGRAM to play FOR them while they are not even at the keyboard. But to attempt to say people can’t use an auto clicker, or macros, that’s just ridiculous. What about people with bad carpel tunnel problems? You put things in the game (like these boxes) that must be double clicked, and you have a whole stack of 250, you need to friggin click 500 times >.< NOT fun for someone with carpel tunnel issues; and there’s NO reason that should even be a “thing”. Luckily, as I’ve pointed out it’s nothing more than a “feel good” rule that cannot even be effectively enforced.

So you’re free to not believe me, but I know better

Basically put, it’s something they cannot regulate anyways.

Prime example, many keyboards have physically programmable “macros” (that do not require software) that could do exactly what you said they said is “against the rules”. So, there’s no effective way they could even detect this. Again it’s great in theory, but it’s something they simply cannot enforce.

penelopehannibal.8947:

sparc.3649:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Tomoyo.3482:

its in the grey area but free programs can also do the clicking for you. just have to move the mouse.

Which is against ToS and will get you banned.

No it’s not, it doesn’t gain you an “unfair” advantage…

Unless you consider saving your carpel tunnel an “unfair advantage”…

Gaile Gray.6029:

Macros

Guild Wars 2 players are permitted to use macros as long as the macros are programmed with a 1 key for 1 function protocol.

1. This means that if you program a macro, it must require one keystroke per action. You may not program a single key to perform multiple functions.
2. For example, if you Press A and it results in the casting of a single skill, you’re ok. If you Press A and it casts multiple spells, you’re not ok.
3. You cannot program a macro to perform the same or multiple actions on more than one account at a time.
4. You cannot program an “auto-clicker” macro that, for instance, opens chests while you play elsewhere.

The part you highlighted was about keystrokes, has nothing to do with mouse clicks. Two totally different animals here.

It states “WHILE YOU PLAY ELSEWHERE”; yes THAT would be an unfair advantage as other people without said “auto-clicker” would not be able to set one client to “auto click” while they actually play on another. THAT would be an unfair advantage.

Automatically opening boxes, nothing wrong with it. And even if they do have a problem with it, too bad, there’s no way they’d ever know anyway unless one was dumb enough to admit to it (or have it on something like a youtube vid)…

That’s about as kittenaying it’s against the rules to use a voice communications applications such as TeamSpeak or Mumble or Discord. Even if they did, what would it matter, because again, they would NEVER know (unless one was dumb enough to admit it).

You don’t think that have a fly on the wall in your house do ya?

penelopehannibal.8947:

Tomoyo.3482:

its in the grey area but free programs can also do the clicking for you. just have to move the mouse.

Which is against ToS and will get you banned.

No it’s not, it doesn’t gain you an “unfair” advantage…

Unless you consider saving your carpel tunnel an “unfair advantage”…

If you don’t want to get involved with a very heavy very convoluted fix for the population issue – here’s the easiest possible fix I could think of from a technical standpoint for you guys to implement:

• make ONE “server” for PvE – for players who do not wish to WvW – they can join this one (PvE will still be megaserver, don’t get me wrong here)

• reset ALL accounts (during this “update” make ALL accounts “server-less”)

• MAKE people chose their server, people who don’t even WvW can select the sole “PvE” server (heck, call it “PVE ONLY”) while people that WANT to WvW can pick their WvW server.

However therein lies the big part – you guys NEED to (while doing this) implement HARD CAPS, that is, this would be the part you FORCE us to DISPERSE. Make hard caps that CANNOT be exceeded regardless of how many are online / offline.

Now, to combat servers filling up then going “dead” because players go “inactive” or otherwise quit the game – you’ll have to design and implement something that will automatically “kick” people to the “PVE ONLY” server after a certain period of inactivity. I’d think either something like 7 days, or 30 days should suffice. That way, after either 7/30 days anyone not active will no longer take up a “user slot” for that server, and someone who WANTS to be active can take their place!

Then we have to solve recruiting, so, well, since “stacking” wont be an issue any longer, just make server transfers free again. Now we can recruit people in PvE and they can transfer over to come play with us, no matter where (what server) they’re from, because it’ll be free for them to transfer. That is as long as our server isn’t HARD LOCKED due to having too many people to have signed up for it.

THERE – I came up with yet ANOTHER solution to your problem. NOT a band aid, but, an ACTUAL SOLUTION that would FIX one of the most important PROBLEMS with this game mode…

This one would actually be rather SIMPLE to implement too (read: no effort)…

So, DEAR ANET, I implore you to FIX WvW, and CEASE and DESIST giving it bandaids.

Thank you!

I for one am NOT happy that alpine is back. I can’t believe they brought back those same old boring kitten lame kitten maps >.<

Desert BL was a step in the right direction – nice new maps.

Now they take not a step, but a gigantic LEAP backwards.

WHAT YOU THINKIN ANET .

Further proof that “you can’t make everyone happy”;

SOMEONE will ALWAYS find SOMETHING to b**** about!

I’ve given it a chance (it’s been here almost a WHOLE DAY!), and it’s the SAME OLD SONG AND DANCE as the last four years!

PLEASE give us the NEW maps back >.<

OMG who brought back the old maps, that was a horrible idea!

These maps are old and stale and too wide open, and boring and, and, and, just YUCK!

PLEASE BRING BACK THE DBL’s!

Scamp.5296:

Sadly, no “official” Anet response to even show us they see this yet… maybe you should post this on Reddit, too, as they seem to post there “officially” more than here, on their own message boards. :/

I did post an exact clone on reddit per a recommendation from someone from within ANet in game… I don’t personally frequent reddit, so I wont really be personally following it (and I even hope I posted it in the right place >.<) but yes, same exact post here and over there @reddit…

Definitely thank you for that insight though

• SIGNED ****

Yea can we get a petition going for this >.>

Neftex.7594:

Riddle me this, if i dont make it to the same campaign as the rest of my guild, im not gonna play with them for a week?
if someone selects a campaign and doesnt play the game all week, noone can take his spot leaving the rest of his campaign at disadvantage?
even when im not in a guild atm i like to see the people i know from the server and know what to expect from them
so nah your concept isnt good enough

I agree recruiting in pve might a problem with megaservers, thats about it

btw if you followed the recent news about wow and nostalrius, you might notice that people care about community and breaking server communities isnt a good idea imo

Entire guilds that WvW together (or the portions of them that do) being able to select the same campaign should not be an issue because guilds have a much lower player limit than what campaigns would allow for. Obviously I don’t have access to ANet’s actual metrics, but this is part of the logistics that they would work out, so that it’s not a problem.

Yes, if people “abandon” a campaign it would be “dead” for that week. I however, consider this a much better option than leaving servers “dead” indefinitely. It would be much better to be stuck on a “dead” campaign for a mere week rather than be stuck on a “dead” server indefinitely. Although even this could be combated, but again, internal logistics to be worked out by ANet. One such possible solution to this would be: if the campaign/mission/server detects that there are (for example) < 25 people for 24/48 hours (more internal logistics – actual numbers to be determined by ANet); then all players in that campaign/mission/server would be allowed to select a new one, where otherwise switching campaigns/missions/servers would not be permitted. Of course, so long as it’s not full and locked. They could also stay if they so desired, nobody would be forced to leave it (even though it was “dead”) unless they wanted to. So I don’t think I understand being okay with a server becoming “dead” indefinitely, but not being okay with a campaign becoming “dead” for only a week. Although as I pointed out even that could be negated so that if you wind up on a campaign that “dies” you could always pick a new one that’s not dead after; not indefinitely, not a week, but something like 24/48 hours.

I fully understand “community” and “server pride”, I myself rolled AR/Anvil Rock on the first day of three-day head-start and have never been off of it since! However, continuing to use this “server” system for WvW when PvE no longer uses it, is quite antiquated. So sure, I may lose my “Anvil Rock”, but people would then be able to take pride in their faction/order. That would be our community going forward. Three factions/orders opposed to fifty-one servers. While I’m sure this may still devastate some, at least at first, I still think it’s the best choice for WvW moving forward. If we keep this system the way it is, the problem(s) stick around for the long term. I think we should move forward with a new system, that will still allow us to have/form “community”, but also be healthy for the future of WvW. Would it really be worth it to continue forward with a problematic system all in the name of “server pride” or “community”?