Guild Wars 2

Kocoff.7582:

You guys think there will be a lot for us on Tuesday, or do you think this is it?

We’ll get a lot of the “fixed description” tuesday.

edit: The only satisfaction I’ll get is still rolling the other professions because the vast majority roll glass cannon and don’t carry condi cleanse.

If I didn’t know any better, I’d guess that his boss told him he was responsible for the theif elite and didn’t like that, so it’s showing up in his work and attitude.

Khandarus.2738:

I’m going to get an infraction but kitten it. Thanks for nothing Karl. Could of returned Shadowform, or Way of the Master but no. An extra dodge, yeah thanks.

#bestclasshmechanic 2015

Every twitch show I’ve watched regarding thieves and him ends up with him showing such disinterest, that I’m surprised he hasn’t yawned during the show. He seriously doesn’t like thieves, or at least gives a very strong impression of that.

So Karl, any reason why we get reused/recycled animations and skills and generally crap elite stuff, while every other profession gets new and actually interesting skills and abilities?

Do you even thief?

Thank the dev in charge. Daredevil sucks and he thinks it’s a gift.

That could be Hillary Clinton’s foot for all we know. (hint: It is)

A dash of sunshine. In this case, it’s like saying I have herpes, but hey, at least it’s not Gonorrhea.

I think mostly, Anet has a road map they will adhere to, regardless of hue and outcry from their customers. Many people have made excellent suggestions, yet Anet went through with whatever they had planned.

It’s not unreasonable when it’s the truth. What makes it different from other professions like you mentioned, is that stealth is what makes people rage. “It’s unfair” is the non-thief battlecry. Ever wonder why there’s more and more reveals coming?

It’s my opinion that those in charge of balance are making any spec that utilizes stealth weaker, to make DD more appealing, something of a weaning us off stealth so when they do remove it, there won’t be quite the outcry.

Thieves have a long history of getting nerfed, someone finding a new spec that really performs, and then that gets nerfed, ad infinitum. And you wonder why people get so bitter?

So, no, it’s not unreasonable.

Anet has their own vision, even if it’s clouded by sub-par devs. They will not make changes based on our feedback. The feedback they often look at is from non-thieves.

Don’t get your hopes up. Daredevil is going to ship with broken dodges, crappy animations, still-broken traits/mechanics 3 years running, and they will laugh all the way to the bank, surfing through the front door on our complaints.

Want to play thief as many of us imagine it? Re-roll Revenant. Our dev has zero imagination, and even less concern/enjoyment of the profession.

edit: spelling fixes

Reading comprehension obviously isn’t a strong suit with you.

I remember seeing the youtube clip the OP posted. The guy that posted it to youtube was mocked for thinking it was two thieves and just how bad he was against the build.

And this is different than running into 3 PU condi mesmers?

One trapper thief killed nine of you? You all either suck or you’re lying/exaggerating. (I’d admit to the second one if I were you)

Staff is crap.
DD traits are weak.
DD utilities uninspired and mediocre.

DD is a mass of cut and paste of existing abilities. Other professions are getting new ideas and abilities, where we get refreshes (and weak ones at that).

We need a new dev who has a clue and interest in the profession.

If there weren’t other things coming in HoT that I wanted, I would’ve asked for a refund (and still might).

New DD animations data mined:

Lots of Cranberry juice.

I already know Signet of Shadows isn’t a stealth utility. I have no reason to go back and edit it.

I naturally assumed you would understand that I was referencing the speed run bonus from the signet.

I guess it’s my fault for not typing it out thus:

I don’t run any stealth utilities either (that means no shadow refuge), nor signet of shadows for the 25% speed run increase.

Your arrogance is showing again.

Addition: Just a real quick look at your posts and it’s readily apparent that you feel anyone not playing your way/your set, has no skill.

Examples: (quotes from your posts)

I’m sorry but let’s face it…S/P and P/P do not. I cringed every time I saw high level play with a S/P thief in it in the past.

S/P: Pistol whip is why this set requires minimal skill to play.
P/P: Again the 3 skill is the culprit, and all I really have to say is we can compare it to LB ranger skill level….

~End quotes.

So, according to you, anyone not playing S/D or D/P are scrubs, playing no skill builds. (with D/D being useless in PvP).

You heard it here first folks, T Raw feels you are playing no skill builds if it’s not D/P or S/D, and that you should feel ashamed for doing so.

For the record I do not run perplexity runes. Ran it once, and didn’t suit my playstyle. I don’t run any stealth utilities either (that means no shadow refuge), nor signet of shadows.

So I guess in your book, if we don’t all run power d/p builds, we’re not thieves. I’m glad you don’t set the standard. If I really cared what other players thought, I’d be stuck running a front line warrior or guardian.

I’m giving up on trying to explain that there is no disservice to myself if I play p/d. I don’t do esports, not am I interested in doing so. I play WvW casually when I have the time, and look to have fun, not try to be the #1 thief player on the map.

I’ve played S/d, P/d, D/p and even P/p. S/d and P/p are essentially crippled (at least until HoT) and D/p is as cheesy if not more so than P/d.

Again, it’s not your opinion that is offputting, it’s your arrogance, elitism and presumptuousness that your way is the right way. You say that it’s my choice to play the way I like, then belittle me for it like you’re the final say on thief play. That’s like Henry Ford saying you can have any color you want as long as it’s black. If a black model T is my only choice, I’ll get out and walk, thank you.

Ghost trap only works against the feebleminded. There’s also a reason why you rarely see p/d in pvp. It only finds its footing in WvW. As to the weaponless p/d video, again, I highly suspect that opponents weren’t exactly top shelf, or had sub-optimal builds with little to no condi clear.

We have a differing of opinion. You look down on p/d and on anyone that enjoys the playstyle. That’s fine. Arrogance isn’t really a virtue but again, to each their own. If your input swayed the devs in any way, I’d be concerned, but it’s your personal opinion and I’m fine with that.

I’m sure you’re a thief god while playing d/p, like 90% of everyone else.

Quote: “Either way its not happening and you are doing yourself a disservice by playing p/d condi.”

A disservice? What is this, the video olympics? Last I knew, I played this game for enjoyment. You’re making it sound like I’m training for some E-sport, and that by playing a spec you believe is inferior, I won’t even get the bronze medal. I haven’t stepped into the pvp lobby even once, all the way back to beta 3 years ago. I solely play WvW. Sorry, I’m not one of the “elite” that finds solace in excelling in pvp.

T Raw – bias much? I have played P/d since beta. I’ve seen the ups and downs of it. Again with the “skill-less” crap. I’d have to say P/D is almost the weakest it’s been since inception.

I don’t even run shadow refuge. I’m visible far more often than not. But I guess I’m a skill-less, no-talent hack, according to you.

Again, you let your hatred of a build color your opinion.

But everyone has their opinion. Ours differ, and that’s just fine.

Edit: As it is, thief has almost no alternative builds, unless you want to play d/p. DD ain’t bringing much to the party. The only two builds I see as viable (WvW) is d/p and p/d. Nothing else really has the staying power. If anything Revenants are getting the playstyle thieves should be seeing.

T raw.4658:

I understand what you fellas are asking for and to a certain extent I agree. First though you have to look at ALL the combinations of X/D.

The blind on stealth was moved to GM prolly due to the fact of P/D being able to spec fully into 3 lines. I’m sorry but before the patch looking a 3 GM trait P/D thief screamed OP. Also you remember that S/D the “evasion” weaponset would be getting access to blinds as well. You pair Blind on stealth, 25% damage reduction in stealth, AND Shadow Rejuv on those builds and we’d be facing the nerf bat.

I suggest reverting the nerfs to our defensive trait lines first, and while I agree that D/D power thief needs help YOU have to remember that buffing OH Dagger will inevitably buff Dire P/D. <—-Needs to become an unviable option for thieves.

It’s a good thing you aren’t in charge of balancing, since your hatred of a certain spec would punish those of us that have played p/d since beta. You don’t like a spec, that’s fine. Don’t play it. Don’t think that your opinion merits ruining others game, just because you have a chip on your shoulder.

Regardless of how much feedback we give, DD will be in an unfinished state Oct. 23. I’m not saying cease giving feedback, but the thief dev has a history of simply adding damage, or tweaking numbers, not actual repair like the Revenant dev.

At this point, I’m just hoping the other things like the WvW changes and mastery lines will be decent enough to warrant the purchase price. I’ve given up hope on the DD.

babazhook.6805:

Go back to the Revenant posts when first released or the first trials of the Necromancer.

Read them today. They all went from Gloom and doom to this profession is useless to wow…Give it some time. Thief was released for tests 5 days ago and no neither Revenant or Necromancer was fixed 5 days later.

Revenants have a different dev, who is actually interested in the profession…

My PP works just fine.

I play P/D + SB, and have since original beta. It’s not exactly a mindless, stealth abusing build. Players don’t have to adapt to a playstyle they do not like. (especially if some players berate others for using it/look down on it etc.)

I also do not pvp. I prefer WvW. That being said, thief has a variety of weapon sets with differing play types. If we were meant to be solely an evasive class, we wouldn’t have sets that promote other styles of play. You may not like P/D or other stealth using sets, but they are just as valid as any evasive sets.

If Impaling Lotus reveals from stealth, it’s of limited value to me. (not to mention that condi clear just doesn’t keep up with SA – you have to embrace as much dodging in your DD build as possible for the condi removal to be as constant as SA)

I spent time with a DD/Trick/DA build, and it just wasn’t all that compatible (a lot of it was the herky jerky dodging) and the condi cleanse was just not as reliable as I said. I’d like to use DD, but it just isn’t as effective for my playstyle. I may try a DA/DD/SA build next BWE but I’d really hate to lose trickery.

Impaling Lotus should not proc while in stealth. A lot of what makes a thief slippery is evading in stealth. Proccing without being revealed is too much.

I was looking forward to including Impaling Lotus into my condi build, but getting revealed for dodging while stealthed makes it impractical. (not even going to mention how clunky it currently is, even if that’s fixed, Impaling Lotus is a hinderance).

If you look at it from a real life scenario, if you’re entering stealth, you wouldn’t use an ability that would give you away until you were ready.

Kocoff.7582:

Kydar Schattendolch.6879:

ZDragon.3046:

But being ablet to swap them mid-combat is just a no no.

Make it, that you can only swap when you are ooc and maybe disable swap while in PvP completly….Problem solved^^

I have an idea to improve “Bounding Dodger”.
There are complains, that DD is a spec which should stay in combat, but the benefit of this dodge doesn’t help you much, cause often you dont do any dmg, cause you dodge away from target. So, my idea is to inverse the animation for this one, so that the dmg is dealt at the start of the dodge.
1. You sill do dmg while/before dodging AND
2. you get some distance between you and your target.

Something like picture below^^

LOL dat backflip doe.

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On a serious note… I am just waiting for the dev to say something.

Don’t hold your breath for a response from the thief dev.

The current iteration of the Daredevil just smacks of laziness and antipathy. I seriously doubt that it will be in a shippable state come October 23rd.

I truly wish I had waited before buying the xpac. I may actually look into finding out whether I can get a refund, depending on further reveals (non-profession info – Daredevil is a lost cause with the currrent dev in charge of it)

If you aren’t in combat, it doesn’t do damage, just a PSA.

The new dodges also root you in place underwater.

edit: Seems only Impaling Lotus roots you in place.

With regular dodges, you can dodge back to back with no hesitation. With Lotus training, there’s like a .25 to .5 delay before you can dodge again.

I dropped SA for DD, and because of the hesitations and issues mentioned in this thread, I saw greater survivability and effectiveness going back to SA.

A big letdown.

msg body must be at least 15

Nope, I am not out of touch. Permastealth isn’t so bad when the enemy can’t really do a lot to you, but it’s over the top when they can do a butt ton of damage without becoming visible, regardless of profession.

As a non-permastealth thief, I can do reasonably alright against the permastealth mesmers IF I have something to cloak and dagger off most of the time (not counting clones etc) but it’s usually better to just move along since if I get the mesmer low, they usually are slippery enough to get away.

I don’t use the build, but apparently it’s bad if thieves do it, but not mesmers. PU condi mesmers are the worst, trollish class/build out there.

I’ve seen plenty of mesmers defending their insane stealth builds, giving the standard ltp argument, and excuses for this and that, but if they have to face thieves that do something as annoying, then there’s the “non-biased” arguments to have it nerfed. (granted not all mesmers, probably a similar amount compared to thieves that will say there’s nothing wrong with the perma stealth condi build)

Hypocrisy at it’s finest (both thieves and mesmers are lumped into this).

I think some of it depends on how Impaling Lotus works, whether it shoots out the three projectiles vs. a solo/duo target or not. The description lists 3 impacts and up to 3 targets.

Deadly Arts – I run a hybrid trapper/venom build. DD is gonna push my condi build over the edge into insane territory.

Does it affect only regen rate or does it also apply to sources where you get a chunk of it, say the 50 endurance on steal?

Lynnie.7213:

Remove 1 condition on evasion and every dodge remove cripple and chill.
So another specialization that will make any condition build nearly to useless or even useless.
And on top of all that, will make Reaper play fool, because if the target is not chilled, what is the point?

If you look at what Thieves have to choose from in that trait tier, you likely won’t see the cripple and chill removal (Called Unhindered Combat) on dodge too often.

Condi thieves will take Impaling Lotus
Power Thieves (especially x/P users) will take Bounding Dodger

http://dulfy.net/2015/08/25/gw2-thief-elite-specialization-traits-from-game-files/

You don’t like food buffs? Stick with PvP.

Here’s a quick question, does weakness only affect regular endurance regen (the 50% reduction) or large chunks of returned endurance as well, such as Endurance Thief (gain 50 endurance on a successful steal)?

For these reasons, I’ve learned to live without Shadow Refuge. I have finally weaned myself off it. :P

That P/D build will only really shine on the inexperienced or the afk. If they had moved around a lot, he wouldn’t have been able to land a cloak and dagger with regularity.

There’s a variant of P/D that drops a nasty condi bomb that ticks for 4-5K a second. One of them would’ve dropped a lot faster than that vs. that build.

Edit: That’s a pretty good build for zerg surfing.

Removing the bleed on the auto would hurt P/D. Up the damage on auto instead, and/or increase the auto-attack speed. Increasing the damage will minimally impact P/D positively, and increasing the speed would again, impact both somewhat.

We expect something similar to Marvel’s Daredevil.

What we will actually get: (Charr version included)

At the rate Thieves are going, the elite specialization name should be:

Handi Man

Little tid bit of info: the same dev that is responsible for Thief is also responsible for the Ele. There’s a reason why two professions hate their elite spec. Other professions are getting stuff they like, and are seeing changes done based on their feedback.

Guaranteed if Thief is playable during a BWE that any feedback we give will go unheeded. GUARANTEED.

Edit: I’ve watched some twitch episodes with the Thief dev in it, and he seriously acts like his boss told him he is in charge of Thief balancing/specs etc. and he doesn’t want to. (ever have to do something you don’t want to? Did you give it 100% even though you didn’t want to do it? – that’s what it seems like to me with this dev)

AikijinX.6258:

Shoot i thought after 3 it was a ban :p, but i still wouldn’t go to those lengths. I just really hope we get some sort of communication, or sign okittennowledgement that this thread was read by a dev.

uglydan.1638:

AikijinX.6258:

I would, but I have 2 infractions already lol…

Grow a set. I have 4 :P

I got like a 2 week ban or something, for calling Karl out. On top of that, I can post like once an hour or something, getting an overflow 3600 second message.

Not really a big deal. There’s more cancer in these forums than information, so if I got perma-banned, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

To kind of get back on track, I expect whatever weapon/sepc we get in HoT is going to suck and be woefully underpowered (at least compared to every other profession). I don’t think it will be because they don’t know how to balance thieves insomuch as they are just apathetic when it comes to this one profession. The dev in charge really doesn’t seem to be even mildly enthusiastic about the profession, given how he can’t even remember trait names or what they do.

Edit: I’d go so far to bet that thieves will have their spec revealed last or second to last, and if the datamined info is accurate, it will have the second lamest specialization name, Dare Devil. (Dragon Hunter being the first)

It’s almost like the Mesmer spec will bring more stealth to mesmers and the thief’s spec will bring less. Go figure.

AikijinX.6258:

I would, but I have 2 infractions already lol…

Grow a set. I have 4 :P