Reboot the Base Map Mechanic & Population
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Desolation
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the original dab daddy
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Mad King Mal -Rev
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Mad King Mal -Rev
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+1 save wvw plz
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Table Warfare Miniatures - Armatures, Custom Miniatures, Moulds etc.
Table Warfare Miniatures - Armatures, Custom Miniatures, Moulds etc.
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New Main- 80 Thief – P/P- Vault Spam Pro
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
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Hi Diku – a lot of effort went into your thread. I applaud you for taking the time, effort, and attention to detail. If nothing comes from it I only can hope Arena Net, as a company, sees how much some people care about the format of play. I think that is very important for them to look at and what I think is often misunderstood.
I’ll also agree with the person, forget their name, who said they paid $100 dollars for the expansion (yes, we could have paid basic 50 bucks) for something so lack luster. I’ll add to the fact that since the expansion has come out my play time has been maybe 25% of what it was pre expansion pack and the reason is Druid, Rev, WvW, and the whole mastery system vs. maps. In addition to that means no gem purchases nor any of my 3 children whom play asked Santa for gem cards (this is a first!). So, take that for what it is worth.
My point I guess is that server pride and playing with friends is a tough nut to crack. A bit of back ground I come from a game that started the WvW format of play, DaOC. I played that up through Trials of Atlantis in which I completed all 10 master levels. If any of you have played that I think you can see what happened once they introduced PvE to a PvP centric game
And how the master levels impacted those who had master levels, how high, and their impact on RvR – roams to zergs. GW2 has similar issues more so around:
1. Server populations
2. Wall clock coverage 24×7
3. Wonky match-ups that some servers just can’t go any higher – stale week after week
4. Balance – traits being neutered between formats of play
I believe you covered and discussed my concerns which is why I believe you are at least raising a very important topic one can only hope gets attention. Some of the things I’d like to see addressed, if not mentioned in your thread(s) is:
1. GW2 game wide player portal that focuses on WvW. List top guilds, players, and of course by class. Top 25 or 50 is fine, search yields the rest. Weekly, resets monthly or so. This gives players bragging rights and could help the overall server pride dilemma and creates a ladder if you will. Can also list other basic stats such as kills, deaths, type of death (fall, height) among other things. Get creative, make it fun, people will play.
2. Alliances. This could help somewhat with the server populations. You can already join x number of guilds. Expand the format and make it an alliance. Restrict to one though. Alliances can portal to server the alliance is created on. Plain and simple, allows small guilds or servers to recruit and gain players. Also creates some political drama.
3. Remove EoTM map. Great idea but it really isn’t anything more than a place to gain karma, WvW ranks, and level alts. Honestly, the bill of goods that was originally sold missed the boat in that it was a sand box for change. Well, if truth be told you are removing a good portion of the WvW player base by having this map. In fact, it actually dilutes any WvW accomplishments such as ranks.
4. Fix obsidian sanctum. Great idea having the jump puzzles. Great mechanics with traps and rewards. However change has destroyed them. You removed requirement for map complete, removed the placement of siege, and finally made it an area with an arena (good intent) but not much happens past that turn. I don’t get this map at all anymore and what kills me is that you spent money on it to begin with
5. Swap new BL map(s) with EBG and replace old maps. Some servers can, others can’t, field players in both places. Something we, Ebay, are facing now. DH can field 2 70 person raids and we can field 25 at best. Point is, BL maps are too big and it needs to change. If it was me I would swap the maps around and replace like I mentioned but the change is all players must enter the BL map first. That is the only entrance to WvW. Passing through BL map, taking supply camps, then through main gate to new map. Passage, control, choke points. All maps have activity because to get to the new, you must first pass through old. And the roamers, scouts, HAVOC, and other players can maneuver through BL’s to aid and add value. Think of it as supply chain. Just a thought.
In summary – like what you are thinking there OP. It needs attention and I’d support the changes. Just need some more discussion on server and/or player pride.
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Johnny Johnny – Ranger (Ehmry Bay)
Hárvey Wallbanger – Alt Warrior (Ehmry Bay)
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Main – Laaz Rocket – Guardian (Ehmry Bay)
Johnny Johnny – Ranger (Ehmry Bay)
Hárvey Wallbanger – Alt Warrior (Ehmry Bay)
Johnny Johnny – Ranger (Ehmry Bay)
Hárvey Wallbanger – Alt Warrior (Ehmry Bay)
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@tichai
Thank you for your feedback & support. It’s players like you that makes this effort not in vain.
In answer to your minor tweak. Let me give you a little background.
Early in creating this proposal I realized that players tend to get confused very easily.
Imagine trying to explain the Globe Concept as World or Server Concept.
The word Globe was originally chosen to allow players to mentally break away from the current Tier & World Server based Concept.
Globe was also chosen because it at least retained the meaning of World…that this game mode is named after…and it was a short & easy word to say.
Ok…please…no jokes about GvG. The WvW Community should come together in a positive way, but often chooses not to.
I agree with you that people should look past their own interests & see the bigger picture.
My Plea to WvW Community to come up with an Alternative to this Globe Proposal:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Dissolve-Servers-Embrace-Megaserver/first#post5798364
I’d really like to see other positive proposals, but sadly…the past history of ANet will rub a lot of players in this WvW Community the wrong way.
They do have reason to be upset. As a few have pointed out…the WvW Community is like a pack of starved hungry wolves.
Do not go into the cage with them to feed them.
Long story short…If ANet does ever changes things…we could call Globes whatever players want. We could make a special thread & discuss this again in the future…if there is one.
To the many WvW players that are supporting this proposal.
Fist Bump
Updated the 1st post to have it, but wanted to share this with the WvW Community that already read the 1st post.
It’s cheesy, but I’m pretty desperate…and in need of a laugh.
The WvW Community here is a rough crowd to keep amused & entertained. They bite when you least expect it.
NeverEnding Story…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUttwzazq30
CALL MY NAME!!!
You’re Classic WvW…sobs…save our World ANet.
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It’s quite strange being PM’ed to respond to a thread, especially as I’m not particularly active in the WvW forum. I also find it a little odd to see requests for ‘rewards’ for coming up with the idea. IMO, having my idea implemented would be reward enough for me.
I’ll respond as requested, but not to support the idea, which quite frankly I’m not too keen on. There are much better ideas floating around to fix WvW, IMO.
I’ll be honest though and say that I’ve not read the rest of the thread, some of my points may have already been made, others may have been altered or modified.
1. The NA and EU regions are split because they are in different data-centres. You can’t magically merge them together. They cannot play on the same maps, without needing to store all of the information for every character in both data-centres, and to be constantly replicating data between them. That constant replication between EU and US of all character data in real time, would be incredibly expensive and lead to bugs caused by replication errors.
2. I would rather fight ‘against’ players in my time-zone, that with them. However I know that large numbers prefer to be in an overpowered zerg. This would just lead to scenarios where players pick 3 time-zones that are going to have lower resistance, in order to get easy captures.
3. If my server owns all the borderlands, why do we still need 3 of them. IMO 2 borderlands (one alpine, the other Desert) would make more sense.
4. Picking which servers to fight will just lead to issues of certain ‘unliked’ servers being ganged up on. Might be fun for the bullies, but wont be fun for the players on those servers.
5. How are globes supposed to ‘ally’ with other globes if players are restricted to the number of globes they can attack in a week? If my globe has 2 allies, and I’m limited to fighting on 3 fronts, then all I can do is defend my own globe and my allies. No offensive play at all. Or I can attack and not defend my allies. What if I have 3 allies? What if my allies are not under attack during the time I play? This whole idea doesn’t make any real sense.
6. Low ranked worlds (or worlds with low populations) are protected and allowed to survive? Huh? I thought one of the points was to close low population realms? Why ‘protect’ worlds that need to be closed? Also, what If I’m on a low pop world and like defending, how can I defend if my world is protected?
7. 5 globes for NA, 4 globes for Africa, 3 for Australia, but just 1 for Asia?? Where are getting you population figures from. You can’t divide the player population up neatly be Time-zone. Some time-zones have a much bigger player-base than others. African globes will be almost empty and the NA globes will be overfilled.
8. This turns WvW into attacker vs defender, a two way battle, rather than a three-way. Three way battles are better for computer games because they lead to more interesting outcomes (look up the rule of threes). Plus all the maps are designed for three way combat.
I find myself agreeing with most you say, so allow me to elaborate on the things that really deserve discussion.
Points 2 and 4 seemed related to me. Indeed. If they implement a ‘choose what world to attack’ feature, we can’t expect people not to pick the worlds that can’t defend themselves. People will do what they can do (even if it undermines the game quality, as we’ve seen in karmatrains), so if you bring this kind of ‘globe’ system it will have to get a lot of restrictions imposed on it, which makes it in turn a lot less attractive compared to other systems.
Point 3. I would even go so far as to say – globes will not work with current maps. A proposal I think has a lot of merit is, instead of world servers(current) or globes(Diku), one proposing to make a PvP-version of the game that allows people to fight in the existing world maps. Make existing garrisons/fortresses capturable by guilds, and make guilds defend them. How many versions of this world map there should be is entirely relative to the amount of people who would play on them of course.
Point 4. The ally system as Diku proposes makes things needlessly complex in my opinion. It faces the problems you mentioned, and my own reaction would be – why not make alliances guild-based, and why even make globes then? Couldn’t guild-based alliances be the central unit in WvW?
Point 6. I can see the logic in trying to prevent low pop servers being crushed week after week, but such an artificial restriction would be unattractive, so maybe instead of making a system to requires restrictions, build one that does not need them in the first place?
Point 8. Another valid idea, and again I would think open-world guild alliances would be a lot more succesful on this. This globe system making it attack other globes/defend your own globe. It might seem interesting at first, but I am afraid it will get tiresome really fast, lacking the versatility of other systems where you’ll have multiple factions fighting and dying or winning.
// I really appreciate what you’re doing by the way Diku, even if not all of your ideas seem the right ones, you have put a lot of work in this, and anything is preferable to the WvW experience we have right now. What is the best solution can still be a topic for debate though!
Also realistically I doubt ArenaNet will ever implement a system elaborated by players, this is much like what happens in real life politics… they will take whatever they can use.//
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New Main- 80 Thief – P/P- Vault Spam Pro
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
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New Main- 80 Thief – P/P- Vault Spam Pro
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
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New Main- 80 Thief – P/P- Vault Spam Pro
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
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New Main- 80 Thief – P/P- Vault Spam Pro
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
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New Main- 80 Thief – P/P- Vault Spam Pro
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
New Main- 80 Thief – P/P- Vault Spam Pro
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
221 hours over 1,581 days of bank space/hot pve/lion’s arch afk and some wvw.
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