Guild Wars 2

Last I looked we had the highest score of any server in NA, were ticking +390 in NA time after reaching about +650 last night in OCX time.

I would call Mags an implosion.

I am looking forward to next week (personally i hope we get to see JQ or TC).

Buffy.9246:

Actinotus.6410:

fishball.7204:

SoS isn’t imploding, just a few guilds moving to T1 because T2 doesn’t offer what they want currently.

problem is SoS as been going too well. when we are getting to +650 every night at the start of oceanic time little to do then.

i’m looking forward to seeing how SoS goes against TC/BG/JQ. We have been stuck in this same matchup too long.

It will be just the same as last season.
All your pugs will go to eotm or pve for the week and come out with kittens for t2 week. Sos is just a 100% fairweather server. Tc/jq/bg know that and why you think they don’t want you guys on t1?

i know you have a thing about SoS, but can’t help but quote you from a few weeks back (your exact words):

“sos has coverage in everytime slot..they can fight well against t1 servers”

honestly SoS had a much better time last season than BG did. i’m looking forward to tourney

fishball.7204:

SoS isn’t imploding, just a few guilds moving to T1 because T2 doesn’t offer what they want currently.

problem is SoS as been going too well. when we are getting to +650 every night at the start of oceanic time little to do then.

i’m looking forward to seeing how SoS goes against TC/BG/JQ. We have been stuck in this same matchup too long.

Chaba.5410:

Actinotus.6410:

elkirin.8534:

many of the OCX players on SoS have simply been there the whole time.

This is too true. SInce pre-launch, through the ups and the downs.

The tournament will shake things around a bit and SoS OCX will have some competition in match ups against JQ/BG/TC. Looking forward to it.

At some point players realize that the state of WvWvW two years since launch are not the same as when they first started playing.

WvW is changing all the time. If you remember first six months or so of game were hugely turbulent. I remember when T1 was way ahead of T2 and IoJ were the “gatekeepers” with aspirations of T1.

At different times there have been substantial OCX/SEA and/or EU across FA, DB, SoR, IOJ (especially), KN, SBI and so on. Players move around all the time, including to/from SoS. But some of us have always been on SoS (which was originally the “oceanic server”) and see no incentive to move.

I will say that greater variety of match ups are needed. T2 has been together for 8 weeks now.

elkirin.8534:

many of the OCX players on SoS have simply been there the whole time.

This is too true. SInce pre-launch, through the ups and the downs.

The tournament will shake things around a bit and SoS OCX will have some competition in match ups against JQ/BG/TC. Looking forward to it.

mallas.9836:

Actinotus.6410:

mallas.9836:

Actinotus.6410:

This whole discussion is silly. There is zero chance SoS as a server would intentionally attempt to throw a matchup. Happy for JQ and TC to throw their matchup next week though.

well they barely showed up at all and had a pretty good size lead on JQ 2 weeks ago and then they were non existent for 3-4 days. And i am sure that SoS’s “war council” knew the points system favors lose win lose win.

SoS have zero interest in the T1 shenanigans. Really if TC and JQ are into manipulating matches good for them, but rest of us don’t really care.

then you should have shown up 2 weeks ago and had more forces. 5 people for 5 days in a row = not trying imo.

Well it is something you need to deal with.

mallas.9836:

Actinotus.6410:

This whole discussion is silly. There is zero chance SoS as a server would intentionally attempt to throw a matchup. Happy for JQ and TC to throw their matchup next week though.

well they barely showed up at all and had a pretty good size lead on JQ 2 weeks ago and then they were non existent for 3-4 days. And i am sure that SoS’s “war council” knew the points system favors lose win lose win.

SoS have zero interest in the T1 shenanigans. Really if TC and JQ are into manipulating matches good for them, but rest of us don’t really care.

This whole discussion is silly. There is zero chance SoS as a server would intentionally attempt to throw a matchup. Happy for JQ and TC to throw their matchup next week though.

I have had a similar issue but now am set up to boot into either 10.7 from internal drive (where all my music software sits) or mavericks where games and stuff sit (which I have running from external drive no prob – drive cost a bit over $100?). All works fine (much better actually as my internal drive was filling up).

I can see some movement into T2 servers mid-season ‘cos of the discount. And really does Mag, SoS and FA/DB need/want more people? I don’t reckon.

Really interesting – and way overdue I reckon.

I am super curious as to what will happen out of this. i can see people using the discount to move mid-season as well.

Zikory.6871:

akanibbles.6237:

T1? It doesn’t exists anymore. Gold, Silver, and Bronze.

Oh yeah? So all servers in gold league are on par with each other and there is no other way to measure a servers ranking system? What happens after week 7? Do tiers exist again?

Tiers don’t exist – server rankings do (or I assume they will do after the league end) ranked from BG (currently I suppose) down based on past performance. You can call the currently ranked 1, 2 and 3 servers “T1” if you like but random match ups mean they won’t play each other each week especially as TC and SoR are pretty close at the moment.

TC and SoR are then a bit ahead of a cluster of SoS Mag FA SBI YB etc. Would be dumb to say which is in what “tier”. Looking forward to fights between this group of servers post league.

This matchup has been fun. The last 35 pages have been tedious.

Looking forward to seeing Mags having you guys for breakfast.

SleepingDragon.1596:

DKNS.2135:

It was both JQ and SoR responsible. JQ after forming the mega-server went all out on us because of the bitter JQ-SoS rivalry and SoR, knowing at that time that they can not compete against JQ, decided to focus SoS for weeks.

Doubt it was servers responsible for SOS fall. It was basically 1 guild named PXX. The drama there follows and the server eventually falls. The same guild that brought it from the lower ranks to the top was also the same guild that went to opposing sides to fight their former allies. No need to blame servers. There was no achievements chasers so people weren’t really hopping into WvW hoping to get riches or rewards. There were just dedicated WvW guild back then. Now many of the WvW players are all after that golden donkey.

If you mean PRX then nope they were only a part (including in the rise of SoS to T1 – we had a number of really good guilds join at the same time independent of PRX), although I do remember that podcast episode with Clementine http://gw2.junkiesnation.com/2013/02/19/6286/. Their “call to arms” caused a bit of resentment as i recall (although did lead to the 30K comeback win against SoR).

It really was lack of coverage in certain time zones and players feeling they needed to play overtime to compensate for this which led to burnout. Guilds like Agg and PRX (when they were playing) will just move to where they will get the best fights and so don’t have server loyalty as such.

SoS survived perfectly well and this happened months ago – and has been discussed to death before. Really not that relevant to SoS now.

juicifruitz.6251:

celeron.3469:

juicifruitz.6251:

Just because you weren’t privy to something doesn’t mean it did or didn’t happen.

At the end of the day your picking on one tiny wincy aspect of my post, and completely ignoring that the whole entire reason it was brought back up again was, because members of your current server, and newer members of SoS have said SOR was the sole reason SOS imploded, at that time, which I was stating is utterly incorrect, and at the same time, also point to the fact that if the SoS people really wanted to hate a server they should perhaps look at BG since your, now current, server took the lions share of the SOS WvW guilds compared to SOR, JQ, TC and FA.

So please don’t be getting your knickers in a knot because of the small aspect of my post. but by all means please try to point out where in my reasoning that it, if there be any server that, should SoS hate a server more, when presented with the facts, it should actually be BG.

It looks like you still ignore half of my first post saying the same thing you’re complaining that I’ve ignored. Go read it again, JQ was a very large reason for all of those transfers.

Also “not privy” is hilarious. I’ve specifically been talking about AoI, I have not once mentioned anything regarding MERC, for example, being “bought.” Which btw, was the entire reason this buying guilds thing ever came about. When MERC posted that BG helped them pay transfer costs for some of their members. This isn’t even close to a secret. However you’ve got some twisted revisionist history, where most of the guilds were bought and only you know which ones.

Protip: You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Protip: your still ignoring the fact the BG took, stole, bought, borrowed, received, how ever you want to word it the largest amount of guilds causing SoS to implode more than any other server, thus what my post was actually about. But you being so pro and all would know that and wouldn’t go on for 3/4 posts about the wording I used… Oh wait ….

“Implode” is such an emotive word. This all happened 10 months ago. Post from Tarkus above pretty much sums up what happened. Lots of other servers experienced similar to SoS to different degrees – such as HoD, ET, IoJ, SBI, DB, Kn, even BG a bit. Lots of people have moved into and some out of SoS since then. SoS is in a good place at the moment which is the main thing – much more relaxed than when we were in T1. This week is especially fun.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Kiff.8157:

To all the BG who get arrogant and chest thumping, how do you see SOR giving up?

I saw it when SoS at any point ticked higher than SoR. Today is different, and hopefully the rest of the week is the same.

It is amusing to see the reaction caused by a server outside the “top three” actually threatening the status quo.

Kreen.3925:

DKNS.2135:

kyro.8162:

I wonder how the matchup thread will look next week. (BG, Mag, and SoR)

For best results, SoR needs to be behind by a big margin after the weekend is up. If Mag is seeing this, you know what to do

Why do you need Mag to help you? Can’t beat SoR on your own? If I was Mag and reading the BG stuff here I know what I would do….

I believe the intention is for Mag to beat SoR.

Deli.1302:

Watch as this thread turns into yet another server recruitment thread.
I’ll give you an impartial breakdown.

There is no Oceanic Server. There are multiple servers with oceanic populations so not one can claim superiority at this state. Since you intend to focus the majority of your time in WvW, I’m going to assume you want to run in an organized group and not just run in pug zergs. The servers which have organized oceanic wvw guilds are:
Blackgate – NOC, KING, MERC (II)
Sanctum of Rall – HIRE, OCX, XPK
Jade Quarry – MERC (I), TKG
Fort Aspenwood – NV, uA, Meow
Sea of Sorrows – TS, bear, CB

I’m sure I’ve missed some but the above should cover most of it. Obviously the T1 servers (BG/SoR/JQ) will have much more people on since they have a higher population overall but FA/SoS will also be able to provide enough allies to play with.

In terms of which servers can reliably get a big zerg of mainly militia during Oceanic prime time, then I would add Tarnished Coast and Stormbluff Isle to the list. These two servers don’t have any actual oceanic guilds to my knowledge but they do have oceanic players who utilize their server voip to coordinate their zerg.

Excellent post this.

fabz.4736:

we cant with telling jq to kitten off about the ktrain and sos saying yes to it its 2v1 so i hope bg and sor dont go to there level and keep the fights going all week

I’m looking forward to facing SoR and BG next week for the reasons you say – there might be real fights for the whole week instead of this stuff that has been going on.

Just to point out that SMC has changed hands five times in the last 35 minutes:
JQ→Mags→JQ→SoS→Mags→JQ

SMC has changed hands four five times in the last 35 minutes – JQ->Mags->JQ->SoS->Mags→JQ

At least people are getting their achievements.

Reverence.6915:

Actinotus.6410:

I find this whole discussion obnoxious.

Perhaps…maybe…the problem is that JQ BG and SoR are so stacked that they just assume they will win over the number four ranked server TC?

We’ve played against TC numerous times. Whilst they can bring a good fight, their coverage just can’t compare to T1 servers.

Which is the real problem here.

I am pleased Anet have opened up discussion on population imbalance and I hope it will lead to some positive outcome.

Thankyou for doing this!

My thoughts (and some of these mentioned above already):

1. Mechanism to take guild upgrades/influence when moving guild to another server
2. dynamic server pops on maps, so if SoS (with lots of oceanics) plays another server with few, numbers can be made (a little more) balanced making fights more competitive.
3. and any queued from (2) above can go to Edge of the Mists or do something else.
4. “diminishing returns” for holding objectives over long periods, which will reduce score blow-outs
5. A few weeks after leagues finish, have a one-off transfer deal based on where servers are ranked on WvW (bottom six free, next nine half price etc).

I find this whole discussion obnoxious.

Perhaps…maybe…the problem is that JQ BG and SoR are so stacked that they just assume they will win over the number four ranked server TC?

Awesomeness of SoS – though we were outnumbered, JQ zerg was outplayed tonight.

Great community, works well together, supportive of all players in WvW.

…and we have no queues.

Inverted.7439:

I recall reading somewhere that if i transfer I wont get the WvW season meta-achievment for the server i’m currently playing on. Is this true? And is transferrign to med/low pop. severs still free? Any additional facts (if there are any) about the season achievment would be appreciated

You will get whatever league result Blackgate gets.

However you can get the meta-achievement on whatever server you transfer to. You need to get the Meta-achievement in order to get the prize for the league win.

Ironically, I reckon quite a few “T1” people may have trouble getting the meta-achievement because of the queues. So transferring out of BG may be a smart move.

We’ve had one large guild transfer to SoS today because of queue issues.

Omnitek.3876:

Wait… So if I don’t want skill lag, I should transfer lower?
OK, but I like fights. I don’t play NA times. I’ve been in t4 and below. It is dead in oceanic/sea times I play. Pvdoor isn’t fun to me.

I see you are on SoR.

Transfer to Mags or SoS. You can still play against the top five servers, lots of oceanic players, have no queues and get your achievements.

The best thing about all the whining from some players (the vocal minority) about queues on these servers (really top 4 in NA) is it is a good advertisement not to transfer there. i had hoped that leagues would see the population spread out – at the very least I reckon stacking to T1 is looking a lot less attractive. I suspect this was part of Anet’s thinking.

Reverence.6915:

Andrew Clear.1750:

It is what it is. Some servers in t1 didn’t just have guilds move to them by chance, but they actively recruited them. This has lead to the problems that you are complaining about, not anything Anet did.

Most of the servers are actually enjoying having the new blood, and maybe some old blood who has returned. T1, you are in the minority.

I really need to address this point. Those guilds moved servers weeks before leagues started. All 3 T1 servers had a feel for each other’s numbers and all were fairly even with JQ having stacked the most and BG the least. Queues the week before leagues didn’t exist outside of NA prime. Guilds moving servers didn’t cause the problems. The PvE player influx did.

Of course, not saying that more players coming into WvW is a bad thing, but the timing of it all was just terrible. Achievements are nice and all, but some of them are just ridiculous. Jumping Puzzles? Really?

With leagues the game has now changed. JQ/SoR/BG will play each other this week and won’t see each other for the next six weeks at least. Lots more people playing on all servers.

You need to adapt. This isn’t going away. Achievements will stay. If there is no room for you to WvW move servers.

Obsidian.1328:

Actinotus

So, to answer your question, anyone who wants to help the server beat the other two servers in W3 has a greater right to be there. Why would someone who doesn’t care about winning deserve a place on the field?

We’d better not bring up GvG then…

Carize.8532:

Hule.8794:

Hey people,
for few weeks Anet was telling you that moving to T1 is not good idea.
They also made some free transfers so you can move from overpopulated servers.
Nobody cared about it that time.

And it is not Anet fault. I dont see people from Bronze league whining about queues. Rarely i see people from silver league. And there are servers you moved from.
There was queue before start of the leagues. You count count with queues after start of the league, but you still moved there or stayed there. It is not Anet fault.

ps: i am not Anet fanboy, i rarely agree with them, but this is just true. We in bronze are laughting about queues in T1 and about your whining

I’ve been on Jade Quarry since this game opened and I’ve had queues before, no doubt. But these queues are longer, and less likely to let you into WvW than I’ve ever experienced. So I’m on a Tier 1 server, I deserve what I get? That’s the way you behave while expecting others to have sympathy for your supposed plight of getting facerolled each time your 4 man guild steps out of spawn?

Go on and keep laughing. We don’t mind. Stay jealous of the fact that other servers might have wait times….but we also have fights. Not just tumbleweeds blowing across the sad, dusty, deserted borderlands like you so self-righteous Tier-Who-Cares, No-One-Pays-You-Any-Attention servers.

You can’t have fights if you’re in a queue…

…and we’re not jealous.

Obsidian.1328:

I don’t understand some of the comments on here.

If new players want to try out W3 and make a meaningful contribution, we’re all for it. It’s PvP folks, not PvE…despite what even the devs say or intended it to be.

Imagine a football team picking random people out of the crowd to play a game. Who cares if the team has been playing together all year, those fans bought season tickets and deserve to be there! Even if they just try to get “achievements” like 10 first downs in a game or 5 interceptions…

/rolleyes

Any of the top tier servers would gladly welcome new players if they are serious about W3. But that’s just not what is happening. Achievement hunting has no place in PvP.

Also, we’re well aware that world completion requires finishing the W3 maps. We’ve been wanting ANet to change that since day 1, but it never materialized for whatever reason. It’s unfortunate that hasn’t changed, to be quite honest.

THere is so much wrong here.

“Any of the top tier servers would gladly welcome new players if they are serious about W3.”

My guess is most of these “PvE” people have been on your server since launch. Yet many of the “WvW” people have transferred there, some quite recently. Who has the greater right to play the game the way they want?

Lord Kuru.3685:

In NA: the devs warned people about stacking into T1. But people went anyway. There are no queues in the lower tiers. I wouldn’t be surprised if Anet intended for this to happen and they’re expecting people to destack because of it.

In EU: no idea. But there’s clearly a BIG difference between NA and EU in this regards:
NSP is ranked #15 in NA and there are currently no queues to speak of. (FSP, who has queues — see post above — is ranked #17 in EU.)

Experience on EU and NA seems to differ. On SoS (ranked 5 NA) there are almost no queues (on borderlands at least). There were brief queues on reset (which i hadn’t experienced in a while).

[I just looked at current EU matchups. Much closer scores than NA. Obviously WvW population is more spread out in EU and you don’t have the “stacking” that has happened in NA]

Guru.1582:

Solstice.1097:

hope your friends keep you company while you’re in queue. meanwhile we can barely queue one map to save our lives.

#nosympathy

Maybe yooooooou should join a different server and stop whining!

See? See how unhelpful that is?

How about rewording it -

“Stop whining or join a different server?”

Haven’t you already got a thread on this?

KeeZee.7312:

Most of the transfers happened 2-3 weeks ago. There was not this mega queue like we have now.

They added easy to get achievements.

Now there is a queue like we never had before.

Being that the only change was the easy achievements that couldn’t be the reason.

I know I am making sense but don’t hold it against me.

TC already had lots of WvW people and now it has a lot more. your coverage is greater than SoS or Mags which is why you will win this matchup. Downside is you will get queues and probably keep getting them. Sorry.

I’d be surprised if TC had a queue on borderlands? They certainly don’t during oceanic time ( I know because you have guilds jumping maps).

I agree it’s been great.

The hostility towards other players coming in to WvW on some of the T1 servers is pretty sad. Really not a good way to grow a community.

KeeZee.7312:

Actinotus.6410:

Maybe if you work with these people rather than be hostile towards them you might encourage them to follow whatever commander is out there, get on server teamspeak, with the promise that it will contribute towards their achievement? Long-term rewards will be more WvW players already on your server rather than having to buy more guilds from elsewhere

WvW has been in the game for a year.

Many s pve’r didn’t play it.

Anet added easy achievements.

Now there is a massive influx into WvW.

Obviously they are there for the achievements, not the WvW.

Logical….I know.

WvW achievements. You can’t take SMC five times without doing some WvW.

Maybe if you work with these people rather than be hostile towards them you might encourage them to follow whatever commander is out there, get on server teamspeak, with the promise that it will contribute towards their achievement? Long-term rewards will be more WvW players already on your server rather than having to buy more guilds from elsewhere

What’s nice about this is all servers are having more people come out to play. Leagues have lessened the population imbalance between servers. I think the super-stacked servers are going to have more trouble getting their “easy wins”.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Actinotus.6410:

WvW is being destroyed because lots of people are playing WvW?

No, it’s being destroyed because lots of people are in the WvW maps but not playing WvW.

ummm…. yes they are.

WvW is being destroyed because lots of people are playing WvW?

…or move to a server where there are no or very minimal queues (i.e. at least 20 of the NA servers)?

Really i don’t see the need to keep making new threads on this. If you stack onto three or four servers you shouldn’t be too surprised.

azizul.8469:

Deli.1302:

SoR didn’t need DIE, WARD, Aco or RISE but you got them anyway. Time to suffer the consequences.

Anet isn’t going to do anything. They want T1 servers to de-stack.
Heck, it’s already working with Agg leaving JQ.

huh ? lol. where are they going next. Agg is the most nomad guild i know, apart from Rise… always on the move

I believe Agg has come back to SoS. No queues.

If anyone else can’t play the game because they are stuck in queues maybe they should consider moving to a lower ranked server. You’ll still get credit for the win or whatever place your (original) server comes for the league.

I will add that the SoS community are not elitist and do a really good job at working with anyone coming into WvW (and actively encouraging people who haven’t tried WvW before). It’s been great seeing new guild tags out there.

Deli.1302:

Winning the league isn’t guaranteed for JQ. SoR is guaranteed a win in all matchups not involving JQ so they have a shot at winning the league as well.

The arrogance of some is astounding.

Grove.2835:

With JQ’s schedule, all their new transfers and the purchasing of MERC, its gonna be smoooooth sailing, pvd fun all the way to #1.

Maybe you should all transfer to JQ?

And I wonder how many “easy wins” Mags and SoS are going to get.

The existence of this thread is embarrassing.

Maguuma people – I am seriously impressed. The way you are are going tonight shows why you are the ones who deserve to be in gold league. Ultimately it came down to who wanted it most.

I’m pretty pleased – having mags for the next seven weeks will be hugely entertaining.

1. Wvw population imbalance
2. scoring/ppt
3. leagues/tiers/ratings or other methods to determine match ups

basically looking at ways to have competitive matchups (that are not blowouts) that offer an incentive for all players to keep coming back (and stop this transferring to T1 stuff).