Guild Wars 2

Less condi
less “small” scale roaming 10 man groups
less emoting
less condi
less zerging
less siege
less numerous good players
less spawn camping
less condi

Remember when we had that one week of “No warning swords” on objectives? How about another special WvW week to change up the same’ol same’ol?

Like,

1. No downstate – just death.
2. Super fast golems
3. No Righteous Indignation
4. Costume Brawl only

or my guildies’ favorite….

5. Friendly fire enabled (or reduced damage to friendly targets)

Wolfric.9380:

I support 2:2 and 3:3 game modes. The key is easy access so the button in the mists to Q for it (if you have a fitting team so grouped 2 or 3). The thing of this might be the size of the playerbase and a resulting split but not shure. I would try it. A two point arena with maybe 300 not 500 Points for the win where its fought out.

well, the 3 vs 3 modes could still use existing 3 point conquest maps.

then everyone can finally enjoy their 1 vs 1 on each points.

Lordrosicky.5813:

At least you can play a variety of builds. ATM there is 1 build per class so they could balance for their failed esports. Well it failed now so lets get the amulets back

That isn’t how it works. If you bring back all of the removed amulets then all you do is invite stronger builds back to dominate the meta again, and those builds end up being the only build you can play competitively. You’ve traded one set of singular builds for another.

Now esports is dead can you add the amulets back so we can have some build diversity again?

Dawdler.8521:

This seem to imply that the purpose of the game is to be on the tag.

It is not.

It is a player conceived perception that this is how the game is supposed to be.

It doesnt deserve a QoL change.

If it is your opinion that a zerg guardian should not be on tag. I would like to hear where you think they should be.

Ghost.7032:

I will keep this short.
Anet remove or nerf the condi cause in wvw there is no piont to roam or to have fun fights anymore. This is what wvw is now 1 enemy spam a stupid skill. You, remove condi, resistance, heal. Your boons got removed. Heals, restistance, remove condi. CD. Game over. Your scwered.

Either give resistance a longer stack and cannot be removed. Or give more condi removal to other classes and not only DRUID!! Or bring back the good old days where small group was be possible to wipe blobs (with no high condi damage!!). Because now there is 0% chance to wipe blobs

Fix the game… thank god..

it is not only the condi, it’s the one shot philosophy anet has taken the last year. Spamming 15k damage every 2 seconds for 16k life pool is not fun to anybody.
Now this game feels like playing an fps.

Why were tournaments stopped?

they were excellent in bringing the crowds back to wvw and making the best game mode in the game playable.

pointaction.4639:

Nate.3927:

Condi builds are really not as strong as people make it out to be, it depends a lot on the player behind it as well as the player facing it. I’ve beaten plenty of condi necros, mesmers and thieves on a cavs/knights ranger

I agree what is said above

I am running full dires on Reaper so read my other post below.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Nerf-or-remove-the-condi/first#post6536358

Casually winning most 1vs5s because of broken stats that “are not overpowered” xD lol pretty good trolling. This is the kind of post I would just hide from and be embarrassed by if I was an anet dev.

We did this once already.
It was called launch day, witness the result

Exciton.8942:

Swamurabi.7890:

The time for WvW eSports was a few years ago and Anet missed that opportunity.

The GvG scene could have become big, but you really need a shoutcaster that knows what’s going on. Sometimes it’s tough to see through all the effects.

And to think what kind of skill balance changes would we see if there was a WvW eSports.

People already found it hard to follow actions in 5v5 PvP.

GvG is even worse. All you see is a cluster of name tags vs a cluster of name tags. Anyone believing it has potential being esports is deluding himself.

Yeah, the combat in GW2 isn’t eSports friendly. However, I think GvGs with actual support had massive potential to foster a large community of gamers that would play practically forever.

Electra.7530:

I am a condi necro and I have a very difficult time competing against power builds. I very rarely see condi builds anymore other than the theif. Most necros I come across are power necros. They can burst me down before I really get my conditions stacked on them. If I’m interrupted or stunned by group of players, it’s game over for me.

Players that can clear my condi off can finish me off, though I can keep stacking the condi. But, seriously, I don’t see a lot of condi anymore. Everyone wants fast kill, huge power bursts.

I run around in dire/trailblazer stats and hear people crying and complaining about that. I have to say, stop it. All my 3k armor gives me is the privilege of being the last one standing in the fight and the one taken down by multiple players.

And there’s so much condi clear it’s ruined the burn guardian build. I had a torment herald that was fun for a while, but … clearing that torment off all the time made it very ineffective.

You’re either lying or we’re playing 2 completely different games. Power builds are basically extinct in wvw now. Even for zerging, the meta is all condi now. In roaming, its nothing but condi on every class. I haven’t come across a single player aside from myself using a power build in the past 6 months because of the fact condi is so overpowered and zero risk/high reward now. If you’re not lying, then what server are you on? Because I may have to transfer there if you somehow are in the one place that isn’t infested with cancer.

Creating teams anew it’s a necessity, but recreating the same mess under a new name is pointless: first new metrics needed, a measurement of each player’s worth in contribution value, and then teams balanced using these values.

In fights, numbers can be just walking bags, and could never compete against better players. If it’s about capping, active coverage that is willing to cap things, despite being lower numbers. Every player must have a constantly updating contribution rating (reflecting their cap & fight score), so balancing can be based on something real.

Update of an idea i had (original comment below):
A spectator mode.
In some HoT instances, when you join another’s story, you fly around as this blue glowing ball since you’re not technically there according to the story.
So maybe similar can be applied here. You can interact with the npcs of the raid but are immune to damage, cant cast anything, and work outside the 10-person limit. That way youre there but “not” there. So you just hitch a ride. No rewards. I guess you can also watch others play and learn from that?

Original post:
So i was watching W.P.‘s videos about the lore of the currently released raid wings, particularly the latest one.. And it just makes me feel so sad that as a person who loves stories and lore, i’m completely locked out from the immersion and the tale because i cannot play this 10-man system which focuses on difficult and coordinated combat..

And i know that there’s a huge amount of people who agree with me (and quite a few who’ll argue against me), that there should be an easy-mode for these things. Like a soloable or maybe even a simplified, dungeon-party mode.

I mean, the first raid directly lead up to LS3’s blood mantle storyline, so it feels like the prologue was completely cut out for me in a “why are these guys suddenly relevant?” way..
And the latest raid wing deals with a cliffhanger from like 10 years ago.. Watching a video of someone narrating it and reading the wiki aint exactly as immersive as being in the moment.

I am aware that once a raid has been cleared, there is a roaming possibility, however, the dialogues wont be there anymore and you wont see the enemies..

Oh and before you say i should just stop whining, gear up and go raid, i have no intention on “training” for these bosses.. Most groups look for experienced raiders, and i know there are raiding guilds who help train new recruits… However I don’t want to spend so much time and gold on the combat when i dont care about the loot and only want the story.

TLDR; Raids need an ez-mode for noobs who dont want good loot but want story immersion.

Nothing quite so intimidating out there as a solo staff gerd

You can get permanent swiftness with boon duration food/runes and using staff #3 (symbol of swiftness) or using traited “Retreat!” shout. So I really don’t see a big problem here.

Guardians have always been meta in WvWvW and are arguably the best general profession for WvWvW. Solid choice for zerging, commanding and even roaming. Many other professions need buffs for WvWvW, but guardians need some toning down.

I realize not everyone cares about the score, but for those who don’t care presumably any scoring system is the same as any other. As someone who does care about the score I can tell you that getting zero for two hours when we have come second would be enough to make me quit WvW altogether.

It was bad enough when we got the same for second as for third. That was extremely demoralizing. To get nothing at all would be the last straw.

What needs to happen and soon is for meaningful results (doesn’t have to be material rewards) to be attached to position in each skirmish and to position in the match at the end of the week. Make it matter more whether your side comes second or third, not less, and make it so that everyone is aware that it has some significance, even if they don’t personally care what order the teams finish.

I will point out yet again the score doesn’t fix any of the problems in WvW. Changing the score doesn’t fix population or coverage issues. Score changes don’t make the game more fun.

Changing the scoring in WvW is akin to performing a nose job while the patient is bleeding out from a gunshot wound.

As has been pointed out a ridiculous number of times, Ghost Thief is NOT a trap build. Ghost Thief runs exactly one trap and doesn’t use Trapper runes. Pretty much everybody except ANet knows Ghost Thief is a problem and should be fixed. Posting here won’t get ANet’s attention. Try Reddit.

Title says it all.

VOTE HERE: http://www.strawpoll.me/12569761
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I think it’s extremely unhealthy for WvW; I am seeing more of these pop up around the place especially thanks to sites like Metabattle advertising it plain as day.

The build has been around for a long time even dating back to 2014, but since post-HoT with conditions being ramped up along with powercreep in general this build, although gimmick in it’s own right, still poses a problem in WvW.

It’s unhealthy because the traps do not apply damage once triggered like every other trap utility in the game (which applies reveal, respectively) thus allowing the thief to stay permanently stealthed whilst dishing out these irritable traps and regarding some classes – there is absolutely little to no counter-play unless you drop a Stealth Trap and even then that entire animation alone is just begging for that trapper thief to vomit their condi’s on you whilst you’re stationary and you better hope you got condi removals or you know… blast dat light field boiz.

Source: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Trap

Many reddit threads along with offical Gw2 forum threads sum up the frustrations trying to either fight or escape this build. Here’s just one example:

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5m9efq/something_should_be_done_about_condi_trapper/

I’m not asking for a complete nerf; I’m merely asking for some counter-play to be added in the form of small damage on the traps once procced which should apply the reveal debuff thus allowing us to at least initiate combat with the thief (many attacks in this game require a target, after all).
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EDIT: I am sorry if I have caused confusion with the terms trapper thief and ghost thief. It was to my knowledge (from a year or so ago) that server mates generally called this build “trapper thief” and that’s stuck in my mind since then. For clarity – yes I am talking about ghost thief and I am still adamant in my belief that this build should have counter play added to it.

This is my first ever poll I’ve made on the site so I’m new with how that functions – the poll speaks for itself atm – 70% in favour. Thanks to those who have voted. I know ANet probably won’t acknowledge this plea but it helps to know quite a portion of players agree that the build in it’s current state is unhealthy for WvW and changes should be made to make counter play an option.

This suggestion aims to address several concerns expressed by WvW players over the years (Lack of server/guild pride, nothing really to fight for except imaginary WvW points)

Here is how it works:

1. WvW ‘servers’ now consist of an alliance of guilds.
2. The guild which scores the most points in the season matchup becomes the head of the alliance for the next season.
3. The head guild represents a server (eg blackgate, jade quarry etc) and can accept/offer other guilds to become part of its alliance up to a certain limit (eg. 10 guilds per alliance). The previous seasons score and statisitics are publically available on a leaderboard to assist in the selection process.
4. Guilds which did not get selected, forgot to apply or were simply not interested are placed by algorithm to balance matchups based on population/wvw playtime.
5. Unguilded players can nominate a server which they wish to be a part of but there is no guarantee they will placed in that server. Algorithm will try and balance matchups based on wvw playtime/ population and will try to keep players on the server which they were previously on.
6. Players can choose 1 guild in their list to be their WvW Guild. You can change your WvW guild at the end of the season but not during the season. If you are gkicked during the season you still belong in the alliance and can seek entry into another guild on the same server or play unguilded.
7. Players can vote for other WvW guilds who are in their alliance but not in their guild to award them a certain number of WvW points. These points count towards their score in determining whether they will become the head of the alliance. This votingsystem will allow smaller guilds and casual players to have a say in who leads them.

Choppy.4183:

A party of five (or six) isn’t roaming, but good job poking the bear.

So what would you call a party of 5 not on ts or comp’d atall looking
For fights? Id call it a roaming group myself! Havoc squad maybe? I don’t really class it as havoc squads till you reach at least 8 and are organised tho imo, idk. Maybe I’m wrong :P

Tittle says it all, blow up all current servers and start up 9 new servers. I say 9 mew servers because 15 are dead. 12 servers are and 3 are considered dead.

Server linking in theory sounds amazing idea but practically its bad. If a server gets a bad link for 2 months and they are stuck in a tier they dont beling in that server starts to lose players. Look at TC…

Server loyalty is dead. Server community is dead. People don’t care about servers anymore that “server pride” its dead. I think its timr to blow up all current servers and start 9 new servers or 12.

BG is over stacked, mag was stacked idk whats the case with mag now, TC died because they got stuck in t1 for more than a month. I think its definitely time to reset WvW. WvW needs a complete RESET.

Also introduce 1up and 1 down system. People argue that with this system the server who doesnt belong certain tier can get rolled into that tier and get rolled over or roll over other server for that week…. I mean look at current glicko/rng system its kitten. Servers are getting RNG into kitten T3 or T4 and dying there because they got stucked there. Glicko system is dumb. 3,4,5 is dumb. 1,2,3 is dumb. 2,4,6 or whatever was other victory point system anet tested out it was DUMB TOO.

1 up 1 down system is the way to go. Start 12 new servers. #ResetWvW #MakeWvWGreatAgain

Taxidriver.2043:

Jerry CCH.9816:

Thx Anet WvW TEAM <3

NA top one tier awsome now

no kidding BG dont need to run away and get farmed by MAG anymore.

You know, this is some funny kitten.

You left Tier 1 because you “claimed” you wanted fights. So ANET pushed you all the way down to Tier 3 where you’re currently blowing out DB and YB (and it’s only Saturday) to the point where they’ll soon be instituting a boycott of their own, leaving you no one to fight.

You can’t make this stuff up. :-D

DB, I do feel for you. YB hang in there. MAG, go away. It’s not your play style that people hate, it’s your toxic views. Example. I was match up against MAG awhile back, My group found a 10v10 fight and lost. No harm with that. I whispered one of the MAG players letting them know it was fun and GG. For the next 15 mins I kept getting very toxic whispers from this player. This player is not the only one. During the same match up I sent friendly PM’s to about 20 MAG players, all but 2 came back with toxic reply’s.

Natto.5819:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Natto.5819:

Fay.2357:

Natto.5819:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Vonmanstein.3645:

BellsSola.4793:

This can’t be fun for Maguuma

Oh, don’t worry. Maguuma had plenty of fun wiping you guys tonight.

A for effort, though – BG has been avoiding fighting us for months.

Says the server that just ran from BG. Must be fun to make up your own version of reality. These guys started losing again had a tantrum and took their ball and went home so they could farm lower servers, just sad.

Maguuma take break because BG hide. Not fun when server won’t play. But when Maguuma take break, BG come back and fight, then say they good.

Maguuma overstacked and gets to be matched with BG. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes and all that. Now that you’ve tanked and bamboozled Anet into lowering your glicko, you’ll just steamroll t2 and t3 for a month and end up matched with BG again. Congrats I guess?

When Maguuma is in tier 1 again, BG will run and hide, and cycle continues.

When Maguuma is in tier 1 again BG will continue to dominate like always causing lesser servers to tank thier rating and make excuses on the forums.

I think you use word dominate wrong. When Maguuma is #1, BG cry and hide. BG was dominated, like in 50 Shade movie.

As much as we all enjoy the wang measuring contest between Mag and BG, we’d appreciate it if that contest didn’t involve Mag tanking and royally screwing with WvW balance in the lower tiers for a month.

Natto.5819:

Fay.2357:

Natto.5819:

Baronvonhippo.3157:

Vonmanstein.3645:

BellsSola.4793:

This can’t be fun for Maguuma

Oh, don’t worry. Maguuma had plenty of fun wiping you guys tonight.

A for effort, though – BG has been avoiding fighting us for months.

Says the server that just ran from BG. Must be fun to make up your own version of reality. These guys started losing again had a tantrum and took their ball and went home so they could farm lower servers, just sad.

Maguuma take break because BG hide. Not fun when server won’t play. But when Maguuma take break, BG come back and fight, then say they good.

Maguuma overstacked and gets to be matched with BG. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes and all that. Now that you’ve tanked and bamboozled Anet into lowering your glicko, you’ll just steamroll t2 and t3 for a month and end up matched with BG again. Congrats I guess?

When Maguuma is in tier 1 again, BG will run and hide, and cycle continues.

When Maguuma is in tier 1 again BG will continue to dominate like always causing lesser servers to tank thier rating and make excuses on the forums.