Guild Wars 2

Digikid.7230:

I am not going to spend 3 hours breaking a defended T3 tower.

This, right here, is why it’s so hard to get any agreement on what WvW should look like. There is literally nothing I look forward to more in WvW than a three hour assault on a keep, preferably Bay – unless it’s a three-hour defense.

When I was following GW2 before launch I read about WvW and thought it would be something I wouldn’t even bother to try. I didn’t like GW1’s PvP and I didn’t expect to enjoy it in GW2 either, not in small groups in sPvP or large ones in WvW. My wife, however, quickly got into WvW from the start so naturally I did give it a try and I found to my surprise that it wasn’t really “PvP” at all but more a game of tactics and strategy involving taking and holding structures.

That is very much more interesting to me than fighting other players directly has ever been and for the past four, heading to five, years I’ve had a lot of great times trying to attack or defend large stone buildings. Just last week, twice after work, I logged into WvW intending to do my dailies and leave and ended up involved in protracted keep sieges that used up my entire evening.

People on these forums often claim no-one enjoys fighting under heavy arrow cart fire or trying to break very heavily sieged keeps and towers but I absolutely love it. It’s easy to assume that players who jump on siege at the first opportunity only care about being the ones to use the " easy option" but I like fighting and overcoming siege engines every bit as much as as I like using them myself. I play a staff ele for a reason.

Anyway, it’s not about who’s right or who’s wrong. The problem is that WvW has been trying to be all things to all players for too long now and it isn’t working. I do seriously believe the whole game mode should be rethought and there should be a formal split between the tactical/strategic structure-based, territory holding, points scoring matchplay and the larger-scale, Guild vs Guild direct person-to-person PvP game. It’s not impossible for the two to go hand in hand but as populations harden and scores become less meaningful it’s becoming increasingly difficult for WvW to support both playstyles effectively.

Yes please do, it would be funny.

making grandmaster tokens is already its own time gate. i wouldn’t throw laurels in there since i rather spend it on other things. in fact i rather make ascended gear the hard way if laurels were needed

and making gear through grandmaster tokens instead of normal crafting only saves you something like 12-20 gold (correct me if im wrong) its not much

but hey, making a full set of ascended gear through grandmaster tokens is still cheaper than the normal crafting way

Justine.6351:

People want wvw ascended vendors for some reason beyond me.

People want spvp ascended vendors for some reason beyond me.

They should make this happen as soon as possible. Time gating is easy, because you can always make the ascended gear to require laurels, which are time gated. One can also keep the spvp-alike requirement to have 500 in related crafting.

Here are examples with suggested prices:
armor piece 400 proofs of heroics + 5 laurels + 5 gold
1-handed weapon 200 proofs + 3 laurels + 3 gold
2-handed weapon 400 proofs + 5 laurels + 5 gold
back piece 2000 proofs + 30 laurels + 50 gold
(of course all with user selectable stats)

Fractal materials should also be made available via WvWvW currencies, because they are needed for ring infusions:
Vial of Condensed Mists Essence = 50 proofs
Glob of Coagulated Mists Essence = 250 proofs
Shard of Crystallized Mists Essence = 1250 proofs

Proofs come slowly, so essentially these are come slower than playing fractals.

Alternatively 10 badges could be converted to 1 proof, meaning that 1000 badges would be worth of 100 proofs.

WvWvW needs rewards which are closer to the level of other game modes. Make this happen, Arenanet!

akhilesh.9147:

If I remember correctly, they stated that they “never intended non-crafting ways” as a method of acquiring ascended. .

So why we can buy it from raids?

Can we please get an ascended vendor in WvW(for full armor and weapons)? The thing I love about this game is that I can play any game mode I want and still make progress with regards to gear and gold.

This should probably encourage more activity in WvW as well.

gebrechen.5643:

ArchonWing.9480:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boon#Skills_that_remove_boons
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boon#Skills_that_transform_boons_into_conditions
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boon#Traits_that_remove_boons
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boon#Traits_that_convert_boons_into_conditions

Oh, and most of them are on necros.

And how many of them are on the same builds or weapon sets?
And how many boons are corrupted vs boons are granted?

Are you really serious about your argument?

Yes, are you?

Do you actually play necro? Because you shouldn’t even have to ask these questions.

This is a great step in the right direction for a lot of reasons!

Reason 1: WvW ‘CAN’ in fact be balanced separately from PvE… let’s see a LOT more of that Anet

Reason 2: This was a great fix for epidemic, it’s still very strong but now has legitimate counter aside from blasting 10 Light Fields in .5 seconds.

Reason 3: Anet LISTENED to us WvW’rs! Not to be snarky but this honestly means a lot. I think we can all agree that WvW players want to see better communication across the board. We love this game and particularly this game mode, we WANT it to succeed, believe me!

Overall this ‘ninja’ patch makes me very happy for all the above reasons and it gives me hope for the future of WvW. I implore any/all Anet employees to continue on this train of positive change…
- One such simple change would be adding a Stealth ‘BREAK’ to Condition Application. This would throttle back Ghost Thieves to a much more counter-able place and even help against Condition Mesmers running Torch and/or PU.

Your idea of repeal/replace makes as much sense as…. well, do I really need to say it?

You got no chance here. Why? I even get insulted by a CONDI TRAPPER THIEF for going Ventari/Mallyx blobhealer since he couldnt get me below 50% health after trying for 10minutes. Thats the mentality these days.

And if you ever get 10 different conditions with 30 stacks each, just take your time to blast lightfield 10 times + additional 10 times since you might get epi’d twice. Ah, and be sure to blast all those times in atleast one second. GL.

Straegen.2938:

insanemaniac.2456:

sounds like you arent blasting light fields hard enough

I definitely am not… course I don’t have access to a light field so there is that.

there are 2 guardians in your party right? i mean otherwise its not wvw.

Lahmia.2193:

Oh no. An area of the game where necros can do the highest dps! This isn’t allowed. That is Eles spot.

If it only did Ele DPS, it wouldn’t even be an issue. When a big Epi shot lands, five players go down without passing go. Its potential damage is off the charts.

++++++++++++++++ up If you wvw people dislikes this current “THING”
WvW is screwed cause someone wanted extra condi in pve land.
Let our voices be heared! We can make the change!

++++++++++++++++

Necro gets a buff and the forum drowns in tears.

Spurnshadow.3678:

Zenith.7301:

Digikid.7230:

It’s kinda funny that the anti condi boon is actually making condis even more of a problem, revenant and warrior are #1 epi targets for me because they never actually cleanse their condis, so you can just stack huge condis on them and epidemic the people around him to kill.

How is revenant supposed to cleanse condis, other than 2 condis removed on a long cd and hefty energy cost from staff 4 and 2 condis from jalis which you can’t run because you have to run mallyx?

It’s not like revenants are doing this on purpose. They’re just screwed defensively as a class.

Because you’re in a party with other classes that have massive cleanses: Guardians, Eles, Necros, Druids. kitten . THis is WvW 101.

So as a revenant I’m to put my defense and faith in the hands of other people? Would you do the same with stunbreaks/stability skills, expecting your friendly guardian will reliably cover you?

Fact is, if I as a revenant don’t put resistance up, I get immediately rooted and blow up within 3 seconds in the initial clash given said roots prevent me from dodging the barrage of CC that revenant also gets pinballed with given revenant also has terrible tools for dealing with CC outside staff 3.

I prefer the hammer train meta. There was stuns with stun breaks/stability counter, might stacked frontline with protection/invuln counter or blasted water fields, and also wells with walking out of the red circle counter. It was so much better then any meta WvW has seen.

#vanillaWvW2017

Swamurabi.7890:

Anybody remember when Diamond Skin made eles OP vs condi Necros?

Resistance does the same thing except the Necro has a counter play. It just happens that resistance allows for the massive buildup of condis that a skilled counter play of corrupt boon epi bombs destroys. It’s time for the resistance side to counter the condi side because if you nerf epidemic then what’s the counter to resistance???

Resistance also makes any condi class that doesn’t have boon removal at its disposal unviable. So unless you want to ignore all warriors you’re left with condi thief/necro/mesmer only.

Spurnshadow.3678:

Sounds to me like a lot of you people are running around like chickens with your heads cut off. Get in an organized group. Join a guild. Run proper group comp. Epi and condis do nothing. I never have a condition on me for more than one or two seconds.

On the other hand, resistance is OP. I don’t understand why anyone is running condi in large scale combat unless they’re facing a total pug group on EB or just a terrible guild.

^That is from EU WvW turnament on monday. It looks like it’s working.

zealex.9410:

XTR.9604:

OP has a really bad L2P issue.

u what now?

There is nothing wrong with resistance. It can be stripped easily enough and conditions are a far bigger problem than resistance can dream to be. If you’re having trouble with resistance playing a condi build, you’re playing it wrong and you should probably move on to playing a power build.

zealex.9410:

Tricare.2946:

I say it needs to get resorked. It’s making people lazy.

Also complete immunity to conditions is a bit much.

exactlty and with how strong condis are on their own wothout it ppl would not be able to die that fast because condisnhave a ramb up time to stark kicking off

No no no. Resistance doesn’t make condis stronger. Resistance makes Epidemic stronger.

No. Resistance is fine. It’s involved in too many skills. Just fix epidemic and its all good to go.

even though there is no wvw season, all the tier 1 servers a few weeks ago had links.

Mag/Bg/ had links and TC and a few others did not.

This lead to massive server stacking (transfers) to those servers leaving many of the other servers empty.

TC lost hundreds of players and was locked for months, while BG Mag and the other servers were OPEN for months at a time allowing the server stacking to continue.

Meanwhile.. the scoring was changed from 2 1 1 to 5 4 3 so that any server in tier 1 has an un-naturally high chance of staying there from artificially inflated glicko scoring.

The game is not dead… its just broken because of bad decisions on the WvW devs parts.

Right now as it stands, wvw is empty because reset is tonight and with the new scoring system no one has a chance to make a comeback past Tuesday night or maybe late Wednesday.

I can’t understand all the QQ’g and crying and whining about HoT. I LOVE the HoT specialization lines. They made our characters awesome. Any kind of character improvement is welcome to me. And all I see here are people crying about take HoT away it’s too OP, it’s too strong.

Anet, HoT is awesome and LEAVE IT ALONE!

One loser thief did die today 1 vs 5. No idea how he can be that bad.

Hi,

I am looking for videos where somebody kills these “Ghost thieves”. Dueling videos, roaming videos, blobbing videos, whatever, as long as it contains video of ghost thief players getting stomped and hopefully corpse danced on.

What am I going to do with videos? I am going to eat ice cream and watch them and enjoy myself and hopefully dilute my blood salt level. I am just so frustrated at the game right now.

I would make a video myself, but I have been literally stomped 100 times by this most annoying build ever existed.

The fix is easy, remove the skill. It doesn’t need to be in the game at all.

Let players talk to the Heroics Notary to swap stats on ascended gear (armor, weapons, and accessories) in exchange for badges and proofs.

Since WvW players are “encouraged” to play the other 2 game modes to earn the ascended gear, this could be our unique thing to draw the PvE/PvP players into WvW. If they absolutely hate WvW they can still grind out individual sets in their respective game modes instead of stat swapping.

zealex.9410:

Choppy.4183:

Right, but condi builds still viable despite resistance offering total immunity. This wouldn’t be true for power builds with a 100% protection buff.

I’m not saying they’re isn’t justification for different approaches to resistance, but it’s not a straight comparison with protection.

its the only boon that directly does kind of the same thing with resistance but then again aegis is a more similar boon.

Also you cant exploit protection while you can exploit resistance and we see it with the epi bombs

Again, the problem is epidemic, not resistance.

Also, his point is that you’re trying to compare an apple to an orange. It’s pointless.

Condi builds are very much viable even with resistance offering 100% immunity. Protection offering 100% damage reduction would make all power useless. (I’m simply re-iterating his point.)

Right, but condi builds still viable despite resistance offering total immunity. This wouldn’t be true for power builds with a 100% protection buff.

I’m not saying they’re isn’t justification for different approaches to resistance, but it’s not a straight comparison with protection.