Guild Wars 2

My thought is: this game need a new design team and a new balance team.

That is all.

I never know how unchallenge range long range is with experience in wvw. I find 1500 too much no risk for ragner class range. Standard long range is 1200, what i do not understand is do ranger class need that +300 range to be effective as a long range class?

In wvw, all i was doing is spam longbow skill #1 and i feel this is too much not having risk for a range class. I am chock that i kill 8 player in 5 minute just for being in 1500 range: i find that problematic not accept for challenge play and require no risk play. No class should have easy advantage + with 0-little cooldown.

In Pve and Pvp: i see same effect and it should not be that way at all.

Last: there is no excuse, there is no reason for that class to have +300 advatage over standard 1200 range especially can spam with very low cool down.

Suggestion again: make ranger class range be 1300 range for challeng play and risk play.

Ranger class need have risk not have over advantage: i remember too, they have pet that can go long range: it make no sense giving ranger 2x long range- rangerpet+high mobility for ranger= too much no risk, too much no challenge

Conclude: Easy acess and easy advantage need to have risk and concequence.

Consider change to ranger range arena net

So without knowing if Hot is worth the price: people preorder it just because they see it posted in a site and in a commercial?

Example: It is like paying 20$ movie ticket just because of the commercial and movie ads?..

Drennon.7190:

DarkSyze.8627:

The problem is not just the name: It is the role of the name!!!

Darksyze im disappointed. You forgot to quote some irrelevant literature.

“Just because one puts out fires, does not make one a FireFighter”

“Just because one judges, does not make one a Judge?”

“Just because one sings, does not make one a singer”

“Just because one write, does not make one a writer”

“Just because one responds to medical emergencies, does not make one a Paramedic”

“Just because one treats wounds, does not make one a doctor”

“Just because one talks politicss does not make you one Politician”

“Just because one makes good plannings, does not make one a Planner”

“Just because one runs, does not makes one a runner?”

“Just because one shoots bows, does not make one a hunter?”

“Just because one shoots at ranges, does not make one a ranger”

“Just because one eats vegetables, does not make one a vegetarian”

“Just because one dances, does not make one a dancer”

“Just because one teaches, does not make one a teacher”

Just because Guardian Profession hunt dragons, makes them a Dragon Hunter?

We all will be fighting and hunting dragons would that make us all Dragon Hunters?

It make no sense right?

“If it make no sense, there’s no sense in doing it”.

Please! redesign and rename Dragon Hunter for Guardian Profession

“Competitive gaming” ?

Published on Jul 19, 2015

‘According to Arena net President: Mike O’brien, wvw is not competitive to go to or to play’

In result: the video of Building a Competitive Game Program are only words.

" Actions Always Proves Why Words Mean Nothing "

That is all

Obtena.7952:

It’s interesting people question if it’s worth $50 … considering the hundreds or even thousands of hours they get from playing the game. The price per hour of this kind of entertainment is actually ridiculously cheap compared to lots of other entertaining hobbies you could be doing.

No, $50 is not much to pay, even if it’s just ‘one map, one new profession’, like someone people are proclaiming.

$50 is not much to pay?

A player posted this:

Odyssey.2613:

Unloveableone.6082:

How would you feel if your hard work and what you’ve dedicated a year or two to, was ridiculed and hated before it was even released?

As a human? Like crud.

As an artist? Like I should really try harder at improvement.

As a businessman? Like I should re-evaluate my whole approach & strategy.

Companies aren’t your friend. It is in their best interest to pretend like they are, but it’s certainly not in your best interests to let them. In the end your question is irrelevant.

Go ahead, take a bullet for ArenaNet/NCSoft. Do realize they’ll be searching through your pockets & won’t be attending your funeral.

This is Wonderful ! I Like It~

" Responsible persons are mature people who have taken charge of themselves and their conduct, who own their actions and own up to them—who answer for them "
William J. Bennett

" Great companies have high cultures of accountability… "
Steve Ballmer

I have very strong feeling Lishtenbird. might be right.

“People do not go to wvw, People do not play wvw?”, Arena net President: Mike O’brien

" The truth does not care whether you believe it or not, whether you accept it or not, whether you like it or not, whether you care or not. It has already spoken "

Galen Grey.4709:

Simzani.4318:

- 3 maps, one for each modes
- One class
- One new weapon by class
- Guilds hall
- Useless masteries system outside the new map

3 years to devellop that. They really were doing nothing since launch. Such a shame.

They didnt say 3 maps, they said 3 biomes. in Gw2 currently we have like 5 maps per biome

they also didnt say the new masteries are only usuable in the new maps, the lore ones probably yes but glinding can be useful everywhere.

there are also new skills, the specializations, precursor crafting, new WvW map with new mechanics, New PvP mode.

And we just know the overview, we need to know the details before we can judge something like this.

I agree with Simzani and some with you. If player base have to wait 2 years-3 years for expansion; it should have more. 2 years-3 years wait expansion should be more. I read guild war 1 expansion; Eye of North and it had more than guild wars 2 expansion in 2 years. See> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Wars:_Eye_of_the_North

Guild war 1 expansion list-Eye of the North

1. 41 new armor sets, including rare, stand-alone pieces
2. 100 new profession-specific skills (10 per profession, none of which are elite)
3. 50 new PvE only skills including 3 elite skills
4. 10 new heroes
5. 18 Dungeons
6. 124 new quests
7. The Hall of Monuments+ 4 new pets for ranger profession
8. 4 new regions

Compare

https://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com/en

Guild wars 2 expansion list-Heart of Thrones

1. 1 New Stytem- The Mastery System
2. 1 New World- The Heart of Maguuma
3. 1 New Profession- Revenant
4. 1 New Mechanic- Specializations
5. Guild Halls
6. 1 New PvP Game Mode- Stronghold
7. 1 New Map- Borderland

Guild War 1 release date- April 28, 2005
New Expansion; Eye of North release date- August 31, 2007

Compare

Guild Wars 2 release date- August 28, 2012
New Expansion- Heart of Thorns release date- soon announce- 2015

Galen; may have more detail for new expansion before release date??

joneb.5679:

TO the op why does such an intelligent person as you seem so ignorant towards peoples rights to speak for themselves when they see something is poor value and poor treatment.

There is no such thing as loyalty from any company no matter what they say but there is good customer care. We owe GW 2 nothing and they owe us nothing but there are expectations.

First we were told when we bought the game we would be getting frequent free updates regards the Living Story. We did. Some people paid £49.00 for the original game but including LS it was fantastic value for money but that’s what we were paying for.

Many of us hoped for a big expansion pack and we don’t mind paying for it. When HoT was detailed at first some of us felt it wasn’t that much and it certainly wouldn’t have the same playtime for many of us as the base game. We have not had the LS story for a long time so we obviously know this is to replace the free LS updates this year most probably or at least for 6 months.

We expected reasonable value for it. £20.99 to £24.99 is acceptable for me with a free character slot. Well what Aney offered is much costlier and certainly not value for money for many of us because the current new content we know about now has absolutely no way near the life the original game has.

Anet obviously know a lot of people have invested a lot of time on this game and money in the gem store and they are betting on people, happily or angrily, buying the expansion because the only other options is their characters will stop progressing through the game as a whole. They are treating us like a captured audience they can manipulate.

We are not though. It’s not like we are stuck in a music festival having to buy drinks at extortionate prices as we were not allowed to bring our own. We can walk away to other games. I’m sure most if not many of us have done this before. I already moved on but would have come back for a fairly priced HoT even if for a short time. It won’t happen at this price.

Here is something i want to share:

http://blog.iyogi.com/alerts/ignoring-customer-complaints-means-losing-customers.html

" Some customers throw unrealistic demands or claim discounts, but there are customers who actually look for solutions "

" ….irate customers bring huge prospects of customer retention, when handled efficiently, no matter how many times they return to complain "

" Leaving your customers’ issues and complaints unresolved will repel your customers and lose sales "

I stopped wvw because no risk, no effort is required: only free reward and more free reward for that is all. Include: Pvp and Pve.

It only took me couple of months to see that: not 2-3 years like other players who refuse to see that or in-denial of it.

I remember my first experience in wvw: 1 minute in wvw: i was instant down by a invisible profession than i was instant killed in down-state and still could not see what killed me.

So what did i do: i post my experience in the forum want to know what happened and why there was no down-state skills to attack that invisible/stealth profession- there was none.

That is what the first “nail-in-the-coffin” withdraw of playing wvw.

I say to myself include other players: did Arena net advertize Guild Wars 2 to be friendly to new players? so where is it? Than i realize it was a lie and i feel deception because after more months playing wvw/pvp: i see all the evidence of it. So i finally stopped wasting my time be lie to and be deception.

I tell myself, i will not waste my time anymore for believing the lie. I already have 2 infractions already: why? for wanting change: fun and challenge and risk-reward, that is all. Yes! only for that and Arena net punish me.

So why should i continue playing this game? So why should i buy the expansion if this is what Arena net do? How about if i get more infractions for wanting same in the new expansion? Is that fair?

Wanting change for good should not be punished but be appreciated. Why waste time for being with a company who want to punish me for want anything good? Why waste time for being with a company who want to punish me for want effort and hard-work first before reward? Why waste time for being with a company who want to punish me for want fun for Guild Wars 2?

I finally research: 2-3 years: a lot of player who want change for good: effort, hard-work= reward were punished also. I wish i investigated earlier and never play this game at all with a company who only want bad things for their games and punish any thing that want good for it.

Did i quit? No! When Arena net appreciate players who want good change and remove all of their infractions and make serious change to the game: i will play again and take seriously.

" Everyone want the truth but no one wants to be honest "

" We learned about honesty and integrity – that the truth matters… that you don’t take shortcuts or play by your own set of rules.. "

" It isn’t good to punish those who aren’t guilty- just because they are honest "

" Once honesty start talking, honesty become a threat "

" Honest hearts produce honest actions "

" The roots of all goodness lie in the soil of appreciation for goodness "

" If there is no struggle, there is no progress "

( My last punishment is coming: I took risk- only want good things for game. I will always continue to believe hard-work, effort and risk come first before reward and fun-. go to where they are. So it is ok, This will be my last post: take care players, it was good/bad experience- advice and i learned a lot and still learning. Take care all players )

StickAndMove.6419:

You’re correct, we are supposed to be adults.

Don’t name your character Peta File- it radiates immaturity. There is no purpose in attempting to use that name in the first place and there is even less reason to appear on the forums and fight for an appeal in its defense.

That is what the hell happened to wvw
-Thief-

2 Years Ago

" 13000er Backstab hit? Where is the challenge? "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/13000er-Backstab-hit-Where-is-the-challenge/first#post345115

“Why a thief can hit me with 1923 toughness with 9088 and is 2 seconds also invisible?
He is selected but invisible, wtf? Thats overpowerd and not fair. I mean the invisible.
Damage is ok. Thief can kill everyone with 2-3 backstabs”. Arena net close thread.

" Im tromatized now "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Im-tromatized-now/first#post319321

“I just got hit with backstab 13.8k followed by hearthseeker 3k +3k on my gardian”.
Arena net close thread

" Cloak n Dagger 7.3k, backstab 12.7k "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Cloak-n-Dagger-7-3k-backstab-12-7k

“I was pretty impressed. This thief instabgibbed my thief. Currently im running 20/30/0/20/0 w/15k health, all zerker exotic.
Basically, he came outta stealth, stole on me, cnd’d me and backstabbed = dead”. Arena net close thread.

" Thief cheating is too common in WvW "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-cheating-is-too-common-in-WvW

“I’ve had invisible thieves magically catch up to me while I have a huge lead and a speed buff. When they get to me, they still have plenty of initiative to quickly stun and finish me off.
I’ve had thieves take me down to 0 health nearly instantly”

" 25k Backstab = Skillz "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/25k-Backstab-Skillz/first#post381021

" Anet….Backstab + 150% Dmg Signet + 5 Mights "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Anet-Backstab-150-Dmg-Signet-5-Mights

“The problem isnt backstab tho it what it does with other abilities / traites. These massive hits are coming from glass canon builds using Backstab + 150% damage signet along with a trait that gives 5 stacks of might for using that signet.
example, a 15k crit backstab would have only been around 9k damage without the signet and might. the actual backstab without a crit would have been around 4.5 k damage”.

" Thief one-shot? "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-one-shot/first#post450335

“Hi guys I wanted to ask you questions about the thief … today happened to me a very strange thing, when I was a thief SPvP appeared behind me and killed me (crit 16/17k) as you can? know this build?”

" [Video] Thief PvP | Game of Trolls – Stab you "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Video-Thief-PvP-Game-of-Trolls-Stab-you/first#post458680
‘11K+ Backstab’

" Don’t you dare touch Backstab "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Don-t-you-dare-touch-Backstab

" You Sir hit the nail on the head. No class should be able to profit from spamming just one or two abilities, whether it’s a thief or not "

" Someone has recently posted an 18k backstab in the sPvP forum, it is simply beyond stupid and makes a mockery of a game that supposedly has a high skill cap.
As for the excuses about being a glass cannon, thief is ezmode as a glass cannon, which is precisely why so many play it, you can get away with playing a glass cannon when stealth, moblity + escapability combine with ridiculous damage to give a far more survivable glass cannon then you get for most other classes".

" No wonder this game has dropped from top 3 on Twitch to 32 as I speak, esport don’t"

keelaunaw.3285:

most mmo xpacs give you huge maps, and things to do. anet tries to make you think a free toon slot for a new class is something to behold, when other mmo xpacs give those to you FREE.

and this xpac only opens up 3 areas in maguuma, out of the HUGE tyrian world atlas. this maguuma isnt even maps, it is areas because they are much smaller, like dry top.

and after leaving the broken personal stories to linger rotting like no one cares abt the game for nearly 3yrs, wtf makes you think this game/xpac is worth even $20, let alone $50….?

Animosity.5968:

So I’ve played since launch and lately I cant even log in because the game is so boring to me. I PvE, mostly dungeon or fotm and this zerker meta is literally killing the game. Just recently a old gw2 member named Nemesis uploaded a video on this subject and he hit alot of points that I’ve noticed and even more than I didn’t notice. (GJ nemesis!)

So this meta is all about DPS, Corner stacking, Glitching and exploiting.. Some evidence…

-The meta is DPS because its all Zerker gear (out of the 23 stat prefix’s, guess anet just wanted to make different stat gear for giggles)

-Corner stacking doesn’t need evidence, everyone has done it but it’s common in MMO’s and isn’t a problem unless it’s mixed with the other 3 parts of the meta.

-Glitching is a serious problem but people do it and it’s literally accepted as part of the meta. A few examples are CM attacking people through walls, CM climbing wall by Frost in P1 to take 0 damage, CM P2 running the boss between 2 plateau’s to become completely stuck, etc. I only mentioned CM but there’s glitching in every dungeon, just youtube “gw2 Glitch (whatever dungeon)” and you’ll be met with video proof.

- Exploiting is just stupid and yet people still do it to Lupi with reflecting his attacks to down him in seconds. Obviously this isn’t challenging content for a boss in a dungeon yet now it’s accepted as ok? wtf man. There are more but I draw a fine line between glitching and exploiting so i’ll let you choose.

So as nemesis states in his video “Gw2 abondonded the holy trinity to become…just dps?” It’s literally gotten to a point where people are stating that certain classes are sub par and should not be taken for optimal dps. How is this better? I for one think it’s literally ludicious and now with HoT coming I’m sending the Dev’s a message…" You have the opportunity to fix what has been left to grow into such a big problem. The ball’s in your court, Please stay true to your word to make this MMO the be all end all MMO"

Just so you know (Nemesis says this as well), 3.5 million copies of the game has been sold since launch but only 443k views on the expansion reveal video. These number’s are fairly alarming as the majority of players still interested in the game would of watched the video already. New or returning players will be greeted by looking up videos of corner stacking, glitching, all dps numbers and most likely turn away from the game as it’s bad advertising.

What does everyone else think about gw2 current state? Is all this ok?

Link to Nemesis video as it’s very informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js5ltIBr73s

You are correct! I completely agree with everything you say. If i were to post evidence of everything you say: it would take more than 100+ pages because i do have them.

My only questions to Arena net: You have too many evidence of everything that is happening in the game (3 Years+ beta testing), how many evidences do you need and want to give your players a challenge and fun game? To enforce Hard-Work, Effort, Risk-Reward? To take serious action anything that is against it and to make serious change for the game in a positive way?

Juular.4729:

Easy fix remove their stealth, then it will be real high risk reward for them.

Remove stealth from all of them

So no change to burst? No change to stealth? No change to reset-fights? No change to stun? No change to immobility? No changes to rapid fire? No changes to Rangers range? No change to instant kill professions? When did mobility and condition become priority? So instead of fixing priority, so instead of fixing main problems- pick something that is not?

Until there is serious change for Guild Wars 2: it will only continue to punish it. Continue to ignore main problems, is ‘disaster’ for Guild Wars 2 future.

I will continue to not buy expansion until serious change happen: starting with main problems and priorities first.

" “A half-truth is a whole lie” "
Yiddish

Question:

Would you buy a car with a bad engine even if the salesperson tell you the other car parts are ok?

yolo swaggins.2570:

Chairface.9036:

So many saying thief is balanced simple because its not impossible to catch/kill them.

That’s not the point, the point is they are not balanced with the other classes in many different scenarios, especially WvW.

Neither is every other class. Why is that even a point?

Let me ask you this; all other class use effort to be effective, so why is ok for 1 class only not make any effort?

Let me ask you another; all class skills and traits are slave to long cooldown. why 1 class only have almost no cooldown and can spam same skill over and over?

This is point; all class make huge sacrifice and thief make no sacrifice. Just repeat same skill over, over. Why is only thief class not have same cooldown like other class? Let me ask you one last question; why thief class only class can instant kill over and over? Yes other class can instant kill but have to wait because slave to long cooldown, but why not thief?

That is what make thief class different than other class; thief do not need sacrifice anything to be effective and have stealth waiting for them to run and hide, always Even Warrior (king of dps and damage) make sacrifice for long cooldown to be effective, so why make 1 class not be same?

Solution; make thief have cooldown like all other class; remove innatiative
Solution 2; remove all stealth and all critic damage from thief traits
Solution 4; nerf all thief damage 50%

Than thief class will be almost balance like all other class.

Narkodx.1472:

DarkSyze.8627:

Narkodx.1472:

DarkSyze – man you need to use FACTUAL evidence not anecdotal stupidity like fastest evasion fastest kill fastest everything… wtf does that even mean

Thieves Guild has a ridiculous cooldown you may be able to use it once a fight

Mesmers have phantasms and clones on weapon skills there is no comparison

Unless you use FACTS and stop using “fastest kill” no one can take you seriously

Facts? Here is 2 year+ beta Fact; see no serious change to thief class even this year 2015.
and https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first

I always do research when i post; that is why research is good for find fact and result; very simple.

The existence of this thread is a FACT that Thieves are OP? LOL

OK man keep doing research and you will see PLENTY of nerfs since the beta to the Thief class

See thief now and compare with past 2012; what plenty of nerfs? I want you read this; http://www.tentonhammer.com/editorial/guild-wars-2-are-thieves-and-mesmers-cause-meta

briggah.7910:

Zolazie Grengche.3051:

This is something that Anet should have Devs for in ALL aspects of the game. If you’re not going to try to understand the player base of a certain aspect of the game, remove it….

Remove what? WvW? This is the only reason I’m still playing this game. Tried plenty of others since playing this one and yet I get bored of them fast and come right back to just WvW.

How many more evidence do you want? Even Arena net President: Mike O’brien do not believe wvw do not exist. " People Do Not Go To WvW, People Do Not Play WvW? ”

WvW Does Not Exist!! Briggah, you, me and other wvw players have no other choice but to accept it.

Arena net: Stop wasting our time!! Stop giving us False hope!! Stop giving us empty words!! Remove it!!

“Why do Player play?”

1. To learn
2. To create
3. To feel challenged
4. To lose themselves in a pleasurable activity
5. To calm and focus themselves
6. Competitively to win
7. Cooperatively
8. For the fun and joy of it

“If any of the following list is missing, player will quit”

Teevell.1684:

Yeah, this game isn’t for you. Everything you listed is a hallmark of this game: no gear treadmill, no holy trinity, being able to get gear however you want (dungeons, pvp, crafting, buying it off TP), and when it comes to leveling the journey is as important as the destination. Basically this game isn’t a rush to level 80 so you can grind a bunch of dungeons so you’re able to grind even more dungeons.

It sounds like you love everything about the standard MMO, and all the things that GW2 tried to modify/do without. So yeah, unless you can break out of that frame of mind, this game isn’t for you. But at least you gave it a try.

“This game isn’t for you”?

Research: ArenaNet’s Guild Wars 2 MMO Manifesto, "we just don’t want players to grind, “no grind to get to the fun stuff” “no one enjoy grinding”

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-11-15-guild-wars-2-players-upset-at-the-apparent-arrival-of-an-end-game-armour-grind

“Guild Wars 2 maker ArenaNet has been criticised by players for having what looks like double-standard”.

Sir Arthur.8905:

Not upset it is getting delayed, but if they just said “next week” or even “in 2 weeks” people would calm down even though it would be further than they would hope. Like running a race without knowing how far you have to go, it drives you crazy. Nobody is mad if you tell them it will be a long time, and you finish it early. It is the not saying anything about it at all that brings the aggro. I’m not personally mad, but I definitely understand the frustration of some.

i agree with you 100%

Fernling.1729:

Beldin.5498:

Fernling.1729:

GuzziHero.2467:

Fernling.1729:

It just so happens that 3/4 of the top 5 most popular mmorpgs have a subscription.

SWTOR is F2P…

If GW2 went sub, I’d be gone.

Read what I quoted.
“There is only one successful theme park MMO with a sub. I don’t see that changing.”

SWTOR has a sub. It does also have a limited F2P option, but it does have a sub.

Nearly all western MMO that went F2P still have an optional subscription model,
however there is only one left that has no F2P option at all.
And no .. playing from 1-20 for free is not F2P.

Not sure what this has to do with what I was saying. I was responding to a single post where someone was claiming that only a single mmorpg with a sub is currently successful, which is false, I listed several.

Why do you pretend that FF14 doesn’t exist? FF14 not only exists, but it just so happens to be arguably the 2nd most successful mmorpg on the market.

You are correct!

(It is obvious why: No Instant Kill, No Have Everything WIth No Risk, No Reward First, No Skill Not Required, No Too Much Everything, No Perma-Stealth, No Reset Anytime, No Ignore Player Problem for 3year+. This game is joke to challenge and fun).

“So I tried another MMO. But it is worse!” Can you give me the name of the mmo because i need evidence that “it is worse”? If you can not give evidence: you are not telling the truth.

Here is your evidence against you for not telling the truth: “I stopped playing gw2 for a week because I hated the new pvp matchmaking system so much. It keeps matching me with premades while always pairing me with 1st time pvpers! It got so frustrating, I just gave up on gw2 altogether! No reason to log in anymore!”

Example: you can not give full detail of why you hate something and than turn around and say, you like something in 1 word: It do not make sense.

3 paragraph of reason to not play Guild Wars 2 vs 1 sentence of suddenly changing your mind?= You are not telling the truth!!

Now here is your turn to prove your own evidence against you: from your own mouth are wrong—

Example: you can not give full detail of why you hate something and than turn around and say, you like something in 1 word: It do not make sense.

(I suspect Arena net give you a reward to write this post) I caught you!!

Again: i need name of the mmo: Yes! the name of the mmo!

" This is no longer a conspiracy or a lie. What we are witnessing here is a revelation of the all seeing eye "

F.M

Arena net:
Do You Believe Us Now?

1 Year Ago

" So I just took 12k dmg from backstab "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/So-I-just-took-12k-dmg-from-backstab

“What is the logic behind this balance? I’ve been repeatedly killed by thieves in 2, yes count them TWO hits in WvW tonight. What is the logic behind giving a class the ability to immobilize me, then 2-shot me, all in the span of less than one second, from stealth. I’m running full level 80 exotic soldier (PVT) gear, 21k hp.” 1st new year thread oabout thief High BackStab damage 12K+: Arena net close the thread?

" come one please, nerf stealth "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/come-one-please-nerf-stealth

“its totally insane how a class with stealth can just pop it and even when hit directly remain in stealth, classes like thief just stealth spam using cloak and dagger and reset a fight at will, it takes no great feat of skill to just spam stealth nonstop stabing a player who has no clue where you are. yes I have an 80 thief” Arena net close thread.

" Thief Stealth = Worst Mistake In The Game "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-Stealth-Worst-Mistake-In-The-Game

“So other then Thieves that rely on the games most broken mechanic anyone else think that it is LONG over due that Anet pull the finger out and fix Stealth? Is it not bad enough they have obscene damage and movement they have to have the most broken mechanic in the game”.

“Sure i know the Thieves will come screaming “L2P” and such but anyone else think this mechanic is seriously in need of being fixed. Why is it that Stealth in other MMO is a “Use at right time” mechanic but here its “lol spam, spam, spam” mechanic…”

" How to get 10k BS Thief? "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/How-to-get-10k-BS-Thief

“I’ve seen some people get up to 10k backstabs on people in WVW and I’m just wondering what would be optimal to get numbers like that?”

" Why is this acceptable? "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Why-is-this-acceptable/page/3#post3105391

“All of this damage was done in the span of about two to three seconds. I was dead before I even had a chance to react. This is running full Toughness/Vitality exotics with ascended trinkets” Arena net close thread

Recent

" One shotted" by theif, 18519 damage "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/One-shotted-by-theif-18519-damage/first#post5220626

“It was across 4 hits but they were all at once for the most part, the biggest being 9090. He jumped on me and I was down, period, gone. I have WvW’d enough to be in the silver ranks, I have NEVER died this fast, ever. This patch is broken, fix it”

" Two Shotted in WvW since Jun 23 patch "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Two-Shotted-in-WvW-since-Jun-23-patch/first#post5225834

“I am not sure if this is a problem in PvP, but in WvW I am getting Two Shotted now since yesterday’s patch and this just sucks…!”

“Anyone else?”

“Mesmers, Thiefs and certain Warri skills is the worst. I run tanky condi builds on my classes and one shot eats like 90% of my HP seriously!”

Results:

2015> 2012
83% Of Back Stab Reports : Arena net Close
0 Step Forward, 3 Steps Back

Kraljevo.2801:

The term isn’t offensive at all, no matter what context. It’s not 2005 anymore.

/shrug

It is not about being 2005 anymore; it is about how other treat us new player with that word. They blame us new player for mistake and treat us bad with that word. I am little new and i do not call new player that word because they are value and important like me.

That word is for player who are pride and arrogant. Humble player accept you and help you be strong; give suggestion, encourage you and help you be better. Humble player protect new player from other player who want put them down and make them feel shame for be new.

Last; Humbleness make you a better player; not arrogant and pride. Humbleness do not call name or treat new player different because of being new or not learn fast or not be best player but stand by you, give suggestion, train you and encourage you be better player.

That’s all

SoPP.7034:

Ayrilana.1396:

So if they have a bug preventing people from completing the diving achievement, they should not sell the game?

Hyperbole much? Now your just arguing extremes.

Furthermore for someone who feigns disinterest you sure are giving us a bunch of walls of text.

Why are you so upset?

Ayrilana.1396:

The purpose of the diving one was to show how small they are compared to what was released.

What a poor example.

SoPP: i disagree with you,

((Sony and many other companies was sued for doing exactly that: there is a Law against this practice))

I will defend you Ayrilana:

" So if they have a bug preventing people from completing the diving achievement, they should not sell the game ?"

I agree with you. Example: it is like buying a plan ticket and the plane do not complete the destination because something is wrong with destination. It is common sense: very simple example. Why would you buy a plane ticket without a complete destination? Why would you buy anything and than have benefit take away from you because it is not complete? How would you feel if that happen to you after you buy something and the store say, “hey, you will not get full benefit of it until it is fix”? Serious! how would you feel?

Another example:

You purchase a new car and notice some problems with it: you check in to the auto car dealership where you purchase car and tell them what is wrong. The car dealership tell you they already know there is something wrong with the car: how would you feel? The care dealership continue and tell you that it the problem is not with the whole car but with some part in the car? How would you feel after that? Would you feel dishonest treatment?

“Half A Truth Is A Whole Lie”

" The purpose of the diving one was to show how small they are compared to what was released"

This is your opinion and should be respected.

I want to share this:

" Respect other people opinion is very important; it can help us to understand that nobody is perfect and every body thinks different. Respecting others opinions does not mean being untrue to our own. It just recognizing that everyone thinks different and when they share their views with us they can expect a fair hearing. Is hard when we believe something and we share it, and someone else have a different opinion and they criticize how we think. Trying to understand others point of views is important because it help us to know more about life and people.
Understanding other people will help us to be humbles and to have an open mind "

" People are entitled to their opinions and should be free to do so as long as they articulate their feelings with respect for others. But when people decide to share their opinions in a way that is meant to hurt another person’s feelings, that is when they have crossed the line "

Anuket.2860:

What about 10-15k Backstabs from thiefs , that is Ok i guess…..

No serious change ever happen to thief profession again and never will. Same instant Kill build was there 2 years+ beta, same instant kill build is still here after "thief trait change’.

And guess what? In 2013 a thief player show evidence of the most powerful critic damage a thief can do in pvp. Yes that is correct! A thief player challenge thief player including who said thief can not do high damage and can instant kill: It is “lpt” a lie or making up false statement. Ok, Here is evidence of the thief player, Yes! a Thief Player!!:

Here is a thread with thief doing 18k damage without high equipment+food. (A player already say in a forum that thief with high gear+sigil+food can now do 23k-28k damage).

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/One-shotted-by-theif-18519-damage/first#post5215422

Again, no serious change will happen to thief profession.

In the end: It is not even a thief, war, mesmer, engineer, elementalist or any profession problems. If Arena net made the professions to be challenge, with risk-reward, hard-worth, effort and with skill-play… nothing like this would never happen.

2 years+ include beta testing and this is the evidence and result of “Fun and Challenge game” with same problem 2 years+ beta? Stealth, burst, instant kill, high condition and skill-less game play?

Giving these no challenge, no risk-reward, no effort, no hard-work, no skill-play and no fun profession include traits with the same effective problems before and make them more powerful now?

why do that?

Condition was already a problem but Power was more problematic: why make Condition more problematic now? So now Condition+Power are same? Is this how to fix problems?

Problems+Problems do not create Solution

-So now 1 Problem (Condition) is The Problem: what about the other Problem(Power) that was already here before?-

That is all.

" Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do "
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lately i see arena net take action against hackers in the forum. Arena net do not, have to address any hacking information in public forum: they address it in private with in company meeting.

Tell arena net to tell us player who is monitoring NA/EU side is security violation. Example: it is like asking secret service to tell who is monitoring each side. Security identity and Security information need be protected.

So the best strategy is to keep ingame video record ready when encounter hacker and send video to arena net in private.

I do not think Arena net is hiding issue: Hack:speed and other hack is sensitive issue and security issue. Why again? because every player include player who want be hacker include hacker in action who is going to be punish and hacker who think they will never be punish and hacker who is waiting for right time to hack, have access to forum and will use any information to share between each other for better strategy. I almost forget-also any security information and sensitive information put in public will put arena net company in risk.

I understand us player want information because it is normal: what we see is limit, what arena net see is not limit because they are a company.

That is just my opinion

Future?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Who-plays-WvW-only/page/2#post5295851

This is a very dangerous move by Arena net that will only hurt their image very severely. So instead of asking your customers for this idea. suggestions and their opinions about this very dangerous design: you do it anyways.

It is the same idea and mindset Arena net using for thief profession stealth. But this time, they cross the line. Forcing their ideas and belief to their customers is not acceptable.

Example:

It is like putting a religious staff in the main entrance of the building for service.

I do not have problem with any belief, religion, sex, orientation etc… but i have a problem with a company who believes forcing their beliefs into their customers is a ok. Customer should have a right to decide what they want is acceptable and not what is acceptable for their interest in decision.

Taking away Freedom Of Choice from your customers will never be acceptable or rewarded.

There is a time of place for everything

Belief is private and personal

Arena net should know better than that: i am very disappointed Arena net!! You are allowing ‘opening Pandora box’ for abuse and embarrassments. to your customers.This is criminal because if anything happen to them in real life; you will be responsible.

It is no one business what religion, sex, orientation, beliefs they are but creating a ‘gate-way’ for them to be target is Evil.

It is your Responsibility and Duty to protect your customers. It is your Priority to protect their identity

Suggestion:

Allow the npc to be selected in players personal and private guild hall. Also, importantly: make this thread private to each players for security and safety reason.

(i am not sure if this is true but if it is, i am not surprise at all because the evidence is everywhere. All of sudden so many pro-Arena net supporter posts and threads? Where did these come from? ) How about this news: there is evidence of credible popular websites with evidence of this company paying people to write fake posts and threads to make sales and to avoid problems.

What these evidence websites suggest to do to distinguish who is fake and who is not fake? research their post history. " If the shoe doesn’t match, why put it on? "
" Sometimes its not the person who change, it’s the mask that falls off "

http://www.practicedock.com/index.cfm/PageID/7290/?p=333

dancingmonkey.4902:

DarkSyze.8627:

Stephen ClarkeWillson.1802:

Yup, it’s bad for EU tier 1 Eternal Battlegrounds right now. The cool thing I just discovered is another perf counter that correlates better with the lag than total CPU. Y’all in a big fight right now? I guess if you are you’re not posting to the forums.

Giving us player update is not solution at all! Will Arena net fix the lag? Yes? or No?

“Communication without result is not communicating at all”

Take note. This is precisely a good reason for a dev technical team member “not to post”. They do precisely what is asked for, and some poster makes and irrational aggressive complaint.

Can you take everyone’s lag away except for this guys? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?

Read to me what the 2 forum i post say? Give me the date when the 2 forum were posted? I will give hint: 3 years ago.

If you want to argue with me: argue with every player who post in this new forum include all player who post 3 years ago about have the same problem:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-is-so-lagy/page/7#post4946502

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Official-state-of-skill-lag-and-server-optimizations/page/7#post4797992

Thank You!

(I am not angry with Stephen ClarkeWillson at all, I am just not please when Arena net already have enough information on this problem for 3 years than all of sudden, want to ask us for information).

*I do not have right to say to Stephen ClarkeWillson, “do not communicate with us until Arena net fix problem” but if you read the 2 thread i link: Arena net did the same like Stephen ClarkeWillson: ask us player for information/feedback and the same thing is happening 3 years later again.

Again, I am not angry at Stephen ClarkeWillson but angry that is the same repetition all over again: every year same thing.

Player to Arena net: there is lag problem
Arena net to Player; give information on lag problem
Player to Arena net: here is information
Arena net to Player: we will look into it
Player to Arena net: ok
Player to Arena net: where is solution
Arena net to Player:???
Player to Arena net: Please fix problem
Arena net to Player: Check your computer, Check with your server connection

1 year later

Same thing

2 year later

Same thing

3 year later

Same thing

Do you see the problem now?

Fluffball.8307:

They used to tell us more things and then the community would consistently lose their kitten when things were off schedule or changed in any way from when they told us about it months and months ago.

Did Arena net update the community of changes and give reasons why? Is that responsibility of a company to give their customers update of changes and to why?

—Fixing and resetting customer expectations—

“From time to time you are going to fail to meet customers’ expectations. It’s the nature of the beast. There are a number of reasons why this might happen from poor customer service, under-trained staff, expectations set incorrectly, or even growing pains where expectations have changed”.

“The key is how,you go about acknowledging you have stuffed up and how you put systems in place to fix and reset customer expectations. What I like to recommend is immediately when you have find out that you’ve failed to meet expectations is to contact your customer. Get the complete picture of what’s going on and try to tee up a meeting. This shows that you really care about their business”.

“At the meeting your aim will be to fix any discrepancies that have caused the problem in the first place. Some will be fixable like training employees, but you may also need to reset customer expectations. Here you’ll have to explain to your customer that things have changed”.

I will begin: range. I spoke with many ranger in my server and they feel ranger range should be slightly decreased in between 1200-1400 range. I mention of 1300 range which i suggested; they say it is ok as long their damage and mobility are not tampered with. So it is 1300 range than which will help range class be a challenge class and fun class to other class.

Cynz.9437:

DaShi.1368:

Thieves have pushed out so many builds that the only builds left are those that the thieves can handle easily. They created their own problem.

1. conquest favors bruiers
2. thief players totally created this game, rrrrright!

I do not see the words, “thief players totally created this game”? Where do you see it?

" Thieves have pushed out so many builds that the only builds left are those that the thieves can handle easily. They created their own problem "

Here is evidence to support DaShi :

" Theif’s the most OP class "

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Theif-s-the-most-OP-class/first#post899731

“So, I keep reading through these forums and i hear over and over again the problem with theifs being able to infinite stealth is based on the “culling” but this is just a way of brushing off the topic that they are the most OP class in the game, and the profession make it less fun for other professions to play the game”.

" Thiefs are still OP "
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thiefs-are-still-OP/first#post185682

“With thief its just ridiculous.
I don’t think any profession should have the ability to kill any other profession in the game in just a few seconds…..

Its just not balanced".

New Report of Backstab Damage: 19 K. Backstab have recharge time- 1/4 seconds. Why give a high damage skill a very low recharge time with almost instant re-charge? How is this challenge for other professions?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/19k-backstab/first#post5406890

Cosmin.8306:

The down mechanic is a fun and interesting one. It adds an extra layer of complexity. As for the “zerker meta” , i think it’s more of a pve design problem . I would look at WvW for ways to make PvE combat more engaging. There zerker is possible but not the dominant build.

Where is the fun and interesting when stealth players have advantage in stealth?
If it is fun and interesting: why is there no down skill stealth skill to attack stealth players?

Let me ask you last question: ask a stealth class how fun and interesting down state is and they will tell you always because Arena net made down state exception only for them.

(I am not angry with you, but want to only give disagree response to you)

" If a company design their games by making Exceptions; It Is Game Over!! they have already lost their players "

“You are now exactly like every other MMO out there”.??

Not Tera, FINAL FANTASY XIV, Black Desert, Maple Story, (ESO?- i find this interesting because ZeniMax Online Studios is making effort and working to resolve the problem with the game: even taking a lot of suggestion from their players. They even apologize to their gaming community for not working with them and told them that they try to start a new relationship with them)

continue…

Not like WoW, Archeage or Rift.

Why not like these games? Obviously the one main reason why Guild Wars 2 is not like them is very simple: their game is design and philosophy is centered’ around: challenge skill risk-reward hard-effort hard-work and skill play.

Yes I am evidence of that because i am a loyal player in them include their beta.

Company’

This is the only company game i ever play in all my life including other players history where a game company believe not making their game not centered’ around challenge, risk-reward, hard-work, effort and skill-play including ignoring and punishing their players are healthy and positive image for their business?

Last:

What i find funny: yes funny! is that Arena net made condition in the same level and more than power. Condition was not the main problem but Power and stealth. So instead of resolving power=burst, instant kill and resolving stealth= no counter, resetting stealth.. Make Them All More Powerful+ Make Their Condition Now More Poweful?

While these other mmo games including company would never do that and you say Arena net include Guild Wars 2 is like them?

Example: it is like.. if you see a big hole in the door and a medium hole in the door, what would you do? Make all the holes more bigger? make all the problems more bigger?

Lazy+ Hard-Work/ Effort are not same, Not Care+Care are not same, Ignoring+Listening are not same, Words+Actions are not same, Punishing+Understanding are not same, Bad+Good not same, Lie+Truth are not same, Deception+Honest are not same, Arena net/Guild Wars 2+ Other company/games are not the same.

Suggestion:

Cross Examine before make comparison.

Guild Wars 2 Fail in all cross examine.

(50$ for no serious change with same problem for 2 years+ expansion with small content that offer no challenge, risk-reward, hard-work, effort or skill play (3 traits now?) vs other game expansion with more contents and more improvement and fixes with fair and with less expensive expansion price? )

That is all

Lazeris.1725:

You know its funny in Other MMO’s Rogues/Thieves/Assassins have permanent stealth and still do crazy damage. I’m really shocked that stealth gets so much hate in this game, it’s really a staple mechanic of every major MMO and Gw2 has a very balanced approach to how stealth is actually used.

I play many mmo’s game with rogue class, what mmo’s game? Name mmo’s game? Player would say unfair and company would change.

Here some Blizzard change to Rogue class

Patch 3.2.2.

1. Fan of Knives: The damage done by this ability has been reduced by 30%.
2. Throwing Specialization: This talent no longer causes Fan of Knives to interrupt spellcasting.
6. Honor Among Thieves: A 1-second cooldown is now enforced on how often a rogue can gain combo points from his party via this talent.

Patch 4.2.0

1. Cloak of Shadows cooldown is now 2 minutes, up from 90 seconds. In addition, Cloak of Shadows is no longer on the global cooldown.
2. Combat Readiness and Cloak of Shadows now share a cooldown.
3. Stealth now once again begins its cooldown once the rogue leaves Stealth.

Patch 2.3.0

1. If you are in Stealth and try to use an ability that may not be used while stealthed, you will leave stealth and use that ability.

Patch 3.1.2 Bug Fix

1. Shadow Dance: Issues with action bars and ability use arising from using Stealth while Shadow Dance is active have been fixed.
2. Tricks of the Trade: To prevent exploits, this ability can no longer be cast on non-player targets.

This how wow stealth work- maybe arena net can make same if want or better for stealth challenge

1. Stealth is a core rogue ability learned at level five. It prevents other creatures from detecting the stealthed player unless particularly close.
2. Stealth is no longer broken due to falling damage, unless of course it kills the stealthed unit. However, fire damage from camp fires will still reveal it.
3. Stealth is not invisibility. You can be detected by others. Monsters that detect you may stop in their tracks and turn to face you, or attack you directly. Players that detect you will hear a sound, and will be able to target you. The chance of detection increases as you get closer, but also depends on the viewing angle (stand right in front of an enemy and you can guarantee they’ll see you), the relative levels, and any perception or subtlety modifiers.
4. Taking any action such as looting or attacking will remove stealth. There are a few exceptions, such as [Distract], or [Pick Pocket]. Also as of patch 2.1.0, sapping an opponent does not remove the rogue’s stealth.
5. Most damage taken (including from AoEs or DoTs) will remove Stealth. However, fall damage will NOT remove Stealth.
6. Fear AoE’s and certain other AoE’s will remove Stealth.
7. Enemies much higher in level will tend to see through Stealth from quite a distance
8. Enemies you are in front of will see through Stealth as you get closer.
9. You cannot enter stealth while in combat. However, Rogues can use [Vanish] to equivalent effect. Note that if you have a DoT the Stealth will break the next time it damages you.
10. It is possible to eat and enter stealth, to reduce your chance of being seen while eating. This is useful, especially during PvP, where a certain crit can be fatal, or when going afk for a few minutes while restoring health.

kta.6502:

DarkSyze— I’m referring to areas where there isn’t any combat (the cities, Camp Resolve, etc).

The only solution i see to this problem is for arena net to restrict all attack skill from attivate in no combat area. Square Enix and other have that in their game, arena net can do same.

Ohoni.6057:

its not really a question of the initial investment, its a question of this investment right now.
50 dollars for what anet is selling right now. They already have the game, thats done. The question is what more do they get? what are they buying into in the future.

And they know more about the answer to that question than anyone did who dropped $60 on pre-ordering GW2 this time in 2012. Simple as that. If that’s not enough information to pre-order, then they shouldn’t, and they don’t have to, but for most of us, we already know about this game to know that we’ll be playing it for years to come, and that $50 is a small price to pay.

that actually is a more a complaint that anet would withold that info while selling people the item. Its not that they have to pay, its that anet would even ask for money before being able to tell people these things.

Bull. Total bull. You can preorder AC: Syndicate or Fallout 4 right now, and we know almost nothing about those games, certainly less than about HoT. It’s not a game company’s job to release 100% information on a game before making preorders AVAILABLE. If the information currently available is not enough for you, then wait for more, nobody is forcing you to buy right this minute.

If ANet was saying “Buy the game within the next thirty days or it will be permanently unavailable, and only after that period will we release full details on the project,” then of course that would be a horrible scam that I would never want to be a party to, but that is not what they are doing here.

They are obviously going to dribble out information as the time to launch approaches, not because they’re trying to “hide” anything from the players, but just because it’s marketing 101 to keep people engaged. If they dumped every single detail about the game right now, then people would stop paying attention in the intervening months. It doesn’t take a middle school graduate to understand that.

So it’s not ANet’s job to have 100% information out there before they make the purchase available, and nor is it your job to spend any money you aren’t comfortable spending, but nobody is forcing you to buy now, so getting mad at having the OPTION to buy before you’re ready to do so is just complete nonsense.

But i have already paid for them. 3 years ago. Why should i pay for them again?

You aren’t paying for them again. Nobody is paying for them, they are free. You get them for free. They have zero cost, and you are paying zero cost for them.

Ah, but again, i have already paid for those once before. Why should i pay for them again?

And again, you are not.

But he will pay for it once, while i will pay twice.

No, you paid for it once, he paid for it zero times (but with the caveat that he did not get to enjoy the past three years in Tyria), neither of you is paying for it twice.

Yes, but again, i have paid for this. He didn’t.

And that’s true, he won’t have to pay for the core game since it’s being given to you both for free, but it’s a three year old game at this point, and prices fall in that time.

Actually, no, they don’t give that free item to existing players. They won’t receive the “free” core, they will only have the core thay paid for earlier.

No, existing players get the free core game too, they just already have it, so they aren’t likely to notice. It’s like getting a “free drenching” when you’re already wet.

Ohoni, I have 2 questions to ask you? You have all the “answers with all information” of what is happening in Arena net without them telling us: do you have any relationship with Arena net? Are you being payed by Arena net? I was punished for investigating people for making fake claims and writing fake reports.

That is all.

choovanski.5462:

the problem is the average player just spams skills and doesn’t think about the fight. if you actually have a good knowledge of meta builds (ya should, it’s what the enemy will run) and think about the fight it’s easy. the rocket turret shoots rockets, it’s gotta die early. the thumper does aoe knockback so try not to stand by it. the engi has no stunbreak and weak condi clear, so those are your best weapons against him. it’s a logical solution.

also, cool fact a whole supply crate can be killed in seconds with aoe (like bomb kit). killing their sup crate as soon as it drops then dropping yours on them is top kek.

When something require no challenge, any type of player can spam skills and do not have to think about the fight or do not have to learn about the fight. I have little knowledge of ranger class until my other player told me to spam over and over. Other player in wvw and pvp think i am a professional ranger player even when i tell them all the time that i am only spamming the same skill over and over again.

Yes! so that is why feel i am a professional ranger player when i go wvw and pvp That is also why thief player, elementalist player engineer player feel they are professional player too because as long their class is reward first than risk/challenge after, it is ok.

Example: It is like when each time you take test, teacher come to you and give you all answer. You get A+ grade for result: every student in the class think you are the best?would you feel you are the best?

(You don’t even know nothing-anything about the subject in the test: nothing at all but why would you know anything? why would you try to know anything? why would you even try to study? because the teacher give you all the answers)

Lordrosicky.5813:

Jekkt.6045:

Cynz.9437:

people complain about stealth in pvp? wat?

thief went to reset? good… you got point, enjoy your match points~

also i love how people cry “omg thief can reset”…. and somehow forget to mention that the moment thief goes ooc their target is also ooc and gets to heal up…

i think it is hilarious to say that thief doesn’t get punished for failed attack… if anything thieves get punished the most for single mistake in game atm….

you don’t reset as a thief. you sit in stealth until crucial skills are off cooldown, like steal or withdraw, and then you go at it again. or you sit out invul skills in stealth, another gimmick that renders other classes’ defensive skills useless. thieves don’t get punished for single mistakes at all. thieves have on demand teleports that can save their kitten s in most situations and make cc useless if you don’t force the 2 stunbreaks before.

thief is also the only class in the game that is unkiteable as they have teleports that are not tied to cooldowns while other classes’ teleports are on a 30-40s cooldown. so if a thief wants to chase you he will do so and you will not get away most of the time.

the only classes that can face a thief are celestial classes that bring self sustain and a mix of direct damage and condition attrition or guardians because they have the needed aoe damage with good sustain and blocks, this will change though as soon as thieves will be able to run 3 traitlines, in fact thieves with vampire runes can already kill guardians because mist form will save them when they eat a mighty blow combo or get trapped by the ring.

the thief’s class design is broken and to fix it they would have to overhaul the whole class which is obviously not gonna happen.

they learned their lesson with energy ressource or why else do revenants have actual cooldowns on their skills + the energy cost.

Agreed

Same