Guild Wars 2

We can still refer to it as watergate, can’t we?

For all I care they could remove all structures and make WvW one large open field battleground for all of our group-fighting desires.

But they did not. The game seems to be intended to revolve largely around PPT, well placed siege and the tedious task of manning that siege. It’s not the most exciting or challenging experience but people who dedicate time to it should get more than just the satisfaction of knowing they played a part. Otherwise those people will slowly but surely just migrate into the mindless zerg, crippling a core mechanic of WvW.

Hai,
I was leading the DiVa raid last night and I’d like to address some of the stuff said.

Sylosis.7125:

I guess they called you when we wiped your allies and they failed to wipe us even with more numbers, we had lost alot of our ranged at this point also & you had spawn advantage so GG for trying to make you sound better than you are.

You guessed wrong. I do not recall anybody asking me/us for help. But I see how you could think that since we had fortunate timing more than once. I am not sure which fight you are referring to when you mention spawn advantage but iirc we had more than one encounter – at least one of which was in NW camp, wasn’t it?

I’m bad at counting so I won’t even try to guesstimate your size but I’m more than happy to take your word for it as I am sure you’ll take my word for what is stated above.

I do agree however we blobbed you when you pushed up north as DVG were tagged up and started an event…..although your tactics were very bad, you didnt push in with both of your guild groups…..had you done so you may have been better off.

Again, I am not sure which encounter you are specifically refering to. In general,
I don’t like to steal fights and I don’t like fights stolen from me. So I usually wait politely to see if the fight has somewhat even odds and if the numbers change. In the NW-camp encounter I thought I saw a significant amount of reinforcements arriving for your side which is when I decided to push. It turned out not to be as many as I had thought – I am terrible at counting.

Since it’s hard to communicate via chat while we’re fighting my decision to help or not to help other guilds is largely based on gut-feeling. That means that they might sometimes be cross with me for watching them wipe even tough they would’ve appreciated my help and sometimes they might be cross with me for ruining a nice fight (we do care deeply about nice fights ). I know I feel that way sometimes.

Let’s all calm down a bit

EDIT: Oh, I see you were talking about that short encounter in ruins. Maybe that wasn’t clear to everyone who read your post :S. I am pretty sure Denied wasn’t thinking of that particular fight from that night. I doubt that anybody would’ve been too reluctant to notice the significant amount of non-[DiVa]s pew-pewing there that I did not seem like that many when I decided to engage – but again, I am seriously bad at counting. That one was certainly not a fight I’d brag about.

Tsezar.6950:

i was watching it and it was definately chasing him.. you dont need to excuse that gandalf style.. this happens if individuals dont have the skills.. you surely know the popular race in starcraft that comes in numbers as well pretty much looks like it. 6 pool gandalf style anyone?

sigh You are clearly looking for a reaction here that I won’t give you. See you ingame

Tsezar.6950:

yes and if you watch closely they yare chasing 1 person

edit: i see your one of them hahah :P

It’s hard to prove, unless someone recorded our TS, but we weren’t actually chasing that guy. We were going for NW camp anyhow and he ran in the wrong direction. Trust me, if we want some kills we don’t chase them down one-by-one, that’s way too inefficient. We did notice him tough and even commented on his unfortunate choice of a flight-path.

FrouFrou.4958:

No reason to put pants on anymore.

Was there every really a reason to put on pants?

Zietlogik.6208:

Make the Tamini and Skritt area mini-dungeons, each with their own jumping puzzle for completing it. Turn the pitiful Tamini camp into an actual stronghold/Skritt area into a full cave system, add a champion/legendary, make it like an actual DE, when you defeat him/finish the event, they are actual on your SIDE, and send more than simply 4 mobs that insta-die to guards.

No. We don’t need more PvE-crap in WvW. The worm is plenty.

Zietlogik.6208:

Give incentive for players to take and hold these areas. These 3 locations are simply laughable in their current state, and not even worth the effort of walking into.

Perhaps make them towers/keeps/NEW type of location that the basic guards get replaced with the mob area (Tamini/Quaggan/Skritt)

Towers and Keeps sound more like it but the position on the map is just too defensible for the home-team.

Zietlogik.6208:

And lastly, fill in the vast open spaces full of random mobs (raptors, rams, etc.) and maybe put some small outposts, or watch towers, or settlements.

Random mobs? You mean the crap that gets me in combat by strolling in my symbol of switness or the crap that randomly walks into our AoE to rally our kills?
WvW doesn’t need random mobs, they’re just an annoyance. It’s a PvP-mode. If people want to go kill raports there’s an entire game mode committed to it. If people wanna kill stuff in WvW it should be other players or maybe guards, doors and lords.

Wompage.4586:

Dranul.2094:

Wompage.4586:

Personally, I think you should only rally if you make the killing blow on an enemy, rather than if the enemy dies.

This would have zero impact on solo roaming, and would promote more active rezzing in team fights

No, just no. This would make it a numbers win game. Rather than with tight play being able to beat 2, 3 times your number. Would make open field vs zergs a lost cause. One or two of your guys caught, you have to manually red .. you’d lose a lot attempting rez.

Coming from a wvw guild I’m quite surprised by your view. Rallies aren’t the best system but removing it would kill guild vs mass numbers. Literally grinded down.

I disagree. In the current situation, losing one person is an insta-loss for a guild at times.

I put this in the same basket as rezzing from dead in combat. It makes brainless play possible.

I agree. While I’ve been rallied in GvZergs before and it has saved me, I’d gladly trade that for the times we get a good burst and had to watch our ‘kills’ stand up again when we had to disengage or the zerg got one of ours or a random rally-bot.

The downed state makes you invulnerable for a short time and allows your allies to heal you up very easily. This effectively gives zerglings the ability to kitten up once (more) as they can be sure that even if they lose all their health without even doing anything useful their friends are going to get them up again quickly.

While roaming small scale the downed state plays into the hands of the more organized group. If you have an enemy to CC away the stompers, rezz you up or get you a rally, there’s a lot you can do.

YES.
I have effectively stopped playing my alts after the introduction of Guard Leech and Applied Fortitude.

It’s not even an issue. Portals are death-traps; especially when the enemy knows they are coming. They can only get 20 ppl in and they’ll be stacked tightly and have little idea where you are waiting for them. In this case the portal is even in a position that makes them appear with the back against the wall. Throw down some heavy CC and AoE and everything is fine. You got yourselves 20 free kills.

Dayra.7405:

Sirendor.1394:

thank you ER for sending zergs to supply camps. It has been a real pleasure annihilating everyone who straggled behind.

Thanks for supporting our Commanders in educating our zergs. Thousands of times said “Stay together” educates less than a well placed stake.

I am always more than happy to teach zerglings what happens when they chase shinies, overextend or straggle behind. Although, I don’t really want them to learn their lesson too quickly and too well

Thesilentflute.8761:

[…]those guilds would have their own interests at heart. […]

gasp
You mean people who play a game in their free time pursue selfish interests and prioritize their fun over your enjoyment of some numbers on a tally?

I am shocked and appalled!

“Oh by the way, I was being sarcastic.” – Homer Jay Simpson.

My fellow FSP, remember when we were fighting WSR and BT and there was soo much QQ-ing about all the PvE scrubs going back into hiding as soon as we fight an uphill battle?
It’s Saturday morning and there’s people saying they won’t play the week just because we’re matched-up against a high rating German server. That’s fair-weather-player-talk! Let’s snap out of that.

Remember:
1. Gandara is here. We love fighting Gandara. ER cares about points, it seems. That means if we go and fight Gandarans in the open ER will be more than happy to just PvDoor everything and bunker up, right? Sounds like a win/win to me. We get to fight good fights against our favorite guilds and ER gets points – yay points.

2. Blobs have a really hard time against 8 superior ACs and a reeeeeally good choke. If you don’t like fighting Gandara in the open. You can always try to get our garri and set up a nice little farm for ER.

3. FSP may not have the coverage but we usually do have decent numbers, some good commanders and some guild-groups at primetime. I’ve seen us get a lot of stuff done when we work together, so I am looking forward to seeing that in action.

I hope to see all of you on the battlefield. Hopefully not all at once, though

This one time, I was all alone on a spvp map and won 500 to 0. Where do I post my screenshots, plox?

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

2) directed at both FS and FR… join me in the water some time… its really nice to go for a swim

There is no underwater-combat in this game. I refuse to admit it.

We had some good fights as well this week. Nice matchup. Met some nice roamers while running solo as well. Ofc, I also met people who ran until they outnumbered me 4 to 1 and people who came to crush my 1v1s but that’s WvW. Who cares?

:D

Seen these once on every toon and BL to get the free siege from map-completion.

+1 for getting something to fight over in there.

Dear ArenaNet,

I get consistently killed by something. Clearly it cannot be a lack of understanding on my part. Please make that aspect of the game easier so I don’t have to improve my gameplay to win.
P.S Everybody is overpowered except for me.

Instead of saying there’s 3 lines of code to fix zerging you could’ve posted those 3 lines.
I agree with the sentiment though. A lot of new PvE-content all the time and all the while it seems like nobody is listening to what WvW-players are saying. Every once in a while we get a new WvW-Ability and that’s it.

I made a post here but it just said what all the other dedicated WvW-players said so far. There is no talking to this guy and his agenda.

Guilds are gonna GvG. Deal with it. When we’re done GvG’ing we’re gonna come smash the PUGs. Keep making threads, maybe ANet listens to you and gives more guilds a reason to leave the game. Let’s see how well your precious tally is doing then with no-one with actual open field tactics to come wipe the guys taking your keeps.

Maybe ANet even gives us GvG arenas and we can just GvG all day and let WvW be a PUG-fest.

Suspicious Nija.6790:

Magnosian.8750:

Suspicious Nija.6790:

After that point we were outmanned all the time and played even more self sacrificing :P (watercamp hint).

Haha, watercamp was hilarious. We were wondering why you guys kept coming. Thanks for the lootbags! :>

We were outmanned so we thought we can as well keep you busy there by just coming back and back and back ;P

Feel free to keep us busy that way anytime you like We had a great time and made good use of a combat-merchant.

Looking forward to seeing you all in the field.

/join is the only way to banter with your enemies about their builds, find sparring partners in the open or thank for fights congratulate on wins. Why take that away from a game?

May I remind everyone about the Ascended Rings for Badges?
All we have to do is QQ about this for months on end (If you check the forums, we still need to fuel up the QQ-Mobile abit more) and then we’ll finally get it… sort of… in a way that is still kinda bad but not as bad as it used to be…

My optimistic prediction? In 4 months we get resets in exchange for some new currency which you can only get from fractals or guild missions….

Also, we might as well stop QQing about Account bound WEXP and just shelf our alts.
The introduction of Ascended Gear seems to have marked the point when ANet startet hating alts…

Have fuuuun

yesfourme.8906:

I am against this idea, because I think people should be able to go the merchant and repair. I am for something similar.

If the dead player is playing on:
- the winning server, he should be affected by 25 stacks of 2 random unremovable conditions for 2 min.
- the 2nd server, he should be affected by 25 stacks of 1 random unremovable conditions for 1 min.
- the losing server, he should not be affected by anything.

Possible conditions are: chilled, confusion, crippled, vulnerability, weakness

Points don’t mean anything in fights. It is not fair to give the server that happens to hold more tally points a combat disadvantage – especially after wiping when they will have lost their stacks. As someone who doesn’t care about the points but only about the kills I’d stop wasting rams if it meant a punishment to my combat abilities.

As for the OP idea.
I’d like to see the PUG-zerg forced to regroup if we manage to kill a good chunk of them rather then them just rezzing up and carrying on pressing 1.

+1

kribre.9683:

A big shout out to FSV for the AWESOME GvG with them tonight!!! I really had a great time and hope you did aswell!

Thank you very much. I am glad you enjoyed the GvG, we did too. I was very worried I had to cancel because we were lacking many players. Fortunately, you were willing to go 14v14.

Congratz on the win. Your pain-train really hurt us.

Stop the Dramamobile plox

Every single match-up thread there’s the same dumb discussion about who had what numbers and how it’s not true…

Everybody miscounts. You do it and so do we.

Fact is every guild gets outnumbered in some fights and outnumbers in others. There are fights, when more than one guild-group engages just one guild group and there are fights where PUGs join in.

We try to avoid gathering PUGs or engage in fights where we outnumber the enemy as much as possible and tend to get frustrated when it happens to us. Sometimes this frustration is vented on the TS and sometimes it makes its way to the forums.
I am fairly certain most guilds in here experience the same.

Before everybody get’s super defensive just bear in mind that not everyone might be talking about the same fights. Memory is selective; you might remember the times we outnumbered you better than you remember the times you outnumbered us and vice versa. Secondly, nobody counts properly in battle – that applies to me as well as to you.

So let’s just burry the darn hatchet and have some good fights.

Also on a side-note: Don’t take anything said on Kami’s stream too seriously. We tend to go full ret/ard and full rage a lot. Also we talk a lot of kitten in TS ‘cause it’s fun.

You say you do mostly PvP yet pressing 3 buttons instead of just 1 is too much of a hassle? With all that is going on in PvP those 3 buttons shouldn’t make such a difference imho.
Srsly, it’s not that hard. It’s the same with fast casting spells, just practice it for a while and you’ll do it instinctively. 2 camera changes shouldn’t challenge you too much since ideally you’ll be changing camera alot to mind your surroundings anyhow.

World ranks have been in the game for a while now and I think it’s time for some more constructive QQ.

First off, I am glad they are in the game because they reward me (additionally) for spending time in WvW,which is something I enjoy greatly anyhow.

That said, after earning a combined 250-300 ranks on four alts, I feel that there are some things that could improve the experience.

Account bound World Ranks
Apparently the reason for the character bound World Ranks is to allow us to get different builds on different characters.

Has anybody ever heard a guildie say “We’re taking Hills? I’ll better relog on my Siegemight Warrior then.” or “Defending briar? Time for cannon mastery necro.”?
I sure haven’t. On top of that, even if I made different choices on all of my alts, I’d still be inferior in terms of world abilities to my guildies with only one character as they can have the same abilities on just one character. Character bound World Ranks are not an incentive to try out different lines as ANet might have hoped. They are an incentive not to play your alts when you could be playing your main (so are the timegated gear mills known as Ascended Trinkets but that’s a rant for another day!).

Please make world ranks and abilities account bound so that the people who enjoy different alts feel less at a disadvantage over people who only play one character.

World Ability Reset
If one truly want us to try out different builds we need to be given the ability to respec. Maybe someone who really likes sitting in a tower went fully into cannon mastery and now realizes that ACs are even better. Tough luck, he can’t make a new build unless there’s another buggy update to merit us a world ability reset. It makes little sense that in order to try out a ‘new build’ he’d have to keep all his old traits and grind for the new ones. That’s not a new build that is just more traits.

Please, give us the ability to reset World Abilities every once in a while. To counter abuse one could introduce a cost or a timegate: One reset every 50 ranks or every 2 months or make it cost gems or 1s per point.. Just give us some way to undo misallocated world points, please.

kthxbye

Silver received from daily bonus is affected by the lvl of the finishing character. At lvl 80 you get 50s at lower lvls you get less. Everything else stays the same.

Don’t delete any characters. Getting them up to where they are again is gonna take longer than farming gold for gems to transfer to low/mid pop server.
If you want to play PvE (personal, story, dungeon, roaming around the landscape) just have them guest on your server or guest on theirs. You can do that in world selection for free. You can only guest on 2 different servers per day though.

When the time comes that you want to play WvW together you will have to move to the same server. However, check the forums for the kind of server your looking for first. Some low-pop server have very little going on in WvW and some high pop servers have long-ish queues at primetime.

I like the idea of reviving the low-lvl PvE areas. One thing I’ve notice is that the down-scaling doesn’t really work too well: Fully geared lvl 80 can rofl-stomp everything in low-lvl areas.
So I would build on your suggestion by introducing achievements for doing low-lvl content and simultaniously increasing the down-scaling to the point where it’s challenging to roam queensdale again!

GreenNekoHaunt.8527:

There’s a key to be mapped for instantly turning your character and camera by 180°

….

Yep two keys to map and you can run away while looking (and even casting some things) backwards. Problem solved.

Krait are evil, so it’s fine.

Maybe he did a lot of grinding for it

Crossplay.2067:

bwuki.2175:

people often complain about how they spend so much time and money trying to save for one, I bought around 70g worth of rares and got one. This is the third time its happened. I never spend more than 100g at a time and it seems to work fine for me

RNG is RNG. The fact that you can consistently do it with ~70g and others can’t IS the problem.

Consider, he might not be entirely truthful.
The chances of getting a Precursor in the first 100g have to be fairly slim otherwise Precursors would have dropped in price by now. Therefore, the chance of getting a Precursor withing the first 100g thrice (assuming he hasn’t wasted 1000’s of gold in between) are extremely slim. Either he is very, very lucky or a bit of an exaggerator.

Let me be the first to add a Ranger ability to that list:

Ranger WvW skill “Reroll”:
The ranger magically transforms into a class that is useful for WvW. No cooldown, bound to F12 button.

All kidding aside, I like the creativity but these things sound like balancing nightmares:

• Engi: This one I like. It has no combat use/advantage and plays on the importance of supply in WvW. Although with 5 engineers in your team you could just take supplies to build a golem army at the gates of the enemy keep so it would be quite a bit OP.

• Thief: Stealth up, take a mesmer with you. All Keeps are now essentially towers.
  Combine it with the Engi from above and build 10 superior rams for inner. ???. Profit.

• Mesmer: Shattermesmers pump a alot of illusions on their victims as it is. adding 10 clones to that -even at the expense of 5% dps – will give them a severe advatange in small scale.

• Necro: This one is severly underpowered in comparrison. With 20% of your stats you’ll die almost instantly.

• Guardian: As a Guardian I say bring it. Being able to rezz 10 dead players at the expense of merly downing -any warrior got banner-rezz for me please? – is pretty sweet and totally not OP.

• Warrior: 6 Seconds of unstrippable stability sounds good. However, the drawback of being rooted and a 250 recharge makes this one very underpowered.

Having said all that, I like the idea of having WvW-specific abilities depending on the classes. It could be cool to have some rolls that do not affect combat and balance out nicely.

• First off, there are Commanders that don’t like to hold SM very much.
  While it’s great for trebbing open towers, in a balanced match-up it will drain a lot of resources from whoever is holding it as it puts a large target on their backs. Therefore, some people just want to ‘take it out of play’ by tiering it down – which means flipping it – but don’t care about actually keeping it. This leads to zergs continually flipping SM with little resistance and is perfectly valid and legal. In the meanwhile the commander pushes for more attractive objectives like upgraded towers or bunkers down on his side of the map.

• People troll. Honestly, if I read in map chat ‘Oh my God, why does SM keep flipping? Surely we need to defend the castle regardless of loss’ during primetime while we’re trying to hold our upgraded outer Towers or pushing for a well-upgraded enemy structure, I might tell you it’s about Karma just to troll you.

• People don’t like defending: PUG zergs tend to vanish into PvE when you defend too much. Dunno why.

• People like stuff: Sometimes it’s not really worth holding on to something when you can get it back 10 minutes later. Wasting siege to hold onto SM during primetime might be less appealing to some commanders than just letting it flip and retake it and get some free coin/WXP/Karma. That doesn’t mean that there’s an agreement between servers.

• Why the heck would anybody need to farm karma?? I don’t like PvDoor much but even I have tons of the stuff on all of my chars…. Srsly you get so much of the stuff from playing WvW, it’d be pretty pointless to farm it from SM unless there was no RI-buff on the lord and you had two groups inside inner constantly flipping it.

That said, it doesn’t mean what you said to be untrue.

It would certainly make golem-rushing a T3 keep much easier.
As it is many servers don’t have scouts in their structures – not even talking about ridiculous-o’clock when 4 guys are defending all of the maps and you can just paint them whatever color you like.

WTF Anet… We’ve been waiting for over 4 hours to get our GvG done and as soon as we are about to engage WvW goes down again? BUT WHY?

Oh, nvm there we go See, it’s that simple…

WTB WvW Have you tried turning the servers off and on again?

Maartac.9457:

Thanks to FSV 4 the nice GvG (our 1st ) …. we had a lot of fun ….
Cya on the Battleground

Maartac , Centuria[CE]

Thank you too for the GvG (my first one commanding). It was very good practice and fun – even though I got very agitated in TS.
I hope you have developped a taste for GvGs now. We certainly have.

Gorrok.3187:

nice fights against [FSV] yesterday evening on AG BL
your paintrain hurts

/salute from ADAC

Thank you very much. It was great fun fighting against you /salute right back at you.

It’s PvP. If you prefer killing NPCs over fighting people, there’s a whole lot of PvE to do.
That said, nobody likes getting ganked by larger groups but that’s just something you have to suck up. Rage on guild-chat or TS or invite the gankers into the party to ask for a 1v1 behind the windmill. There’s no need to go QQ on the forums tho.

Guard defense and Guard killer give you a combat advantage after you max them out (stat bonus granted until downed whenever you kill 5 guards (i.e. take a camp)).

Repair Mastery/Build Mastery helps speed up the dumping of supplies. I went 2/3 into those because it’s nice to build stuff quickly if needed. Rest into Guard Defense then Guard killer. Siege masteries may be nice if you like sitting on siege. Otherwise they’re useless.

Dinamin.7083:

I’ve heard there was a secret blob
That AM played, and it pleased the Lord of blobs
But FSP don’t really care for points, do we?
It goes like this
The 40, the 60
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled kings of blob composing Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah

You are a madman, my friend. A madman, I say!

I had some great times this reset commanding the quaggan squad. Looking forward to shareing some of our best and most entertaining moments tonight. Thanks to AR and AM, I am looking forward to a week of pulling your groups into managable sizes and fight the hardest we can. If that fails we can always have our karaoke-sessions in TS. I hope all sides can keep the drama/whining/flaming to a minimum (preferably 0 ).

I don’t like to be negative so I’m not even gonna adress the whole Far Dramapeaks situation here.

I just came here to tell Gandara how much I love them Please don’t leave us tonight. Had great fun against [Hail] and [Dius] in the GvG – if only we could’ve pushed you harder for one more round… – and the rest of Gandara in the open field. You have very pleasant and skilled WvW players amongst your server and I am looking forward to our next match-up. I hope you had a great week as well. Keep up the good work!

Fryggenbart.3907:

last week saturday: outmanned on every border
this week: queue on every map

it´s an invasion of winning-team-joiners on kodash so far.

We had the same sitatuation a couple of weeks back against WSR and BT. Our remedy: No commander tags wherefore no karma-trains or taggin up and to go kill the grub and spirit with fireworks and ballis and maybe troll a bit in general.
Of course, it will make you slightly unpopular with the people who are concerned with rating points and such but that’s a small price to pay for making sure that there still is something other than walls and gates to fight by the end of the week.

Now, I would love to make the fair-weather karmatrain-riders, who clogged up the maps when FSP was rofl-stomping WSR and BT, join WvW to get rofl-stomped themselves by fair-weather PUGs.

I personally had a good time so far not caring about rating points or even structures (though the waypoints in our BL are an unpleasant sight as it means quick travel for a potential karma-train). I am looking forward to fighting our beloved Gandarans, meeting new dedicated groups from Kodash (hopefully out in the open field with somewhat equal numbers) and freeing up Kodash queues by bashing some sweet, sweet loot out of their fair-weather players until they go back to CoF p1.

So I heard you like to post pictures of scores.
I have one too. Now I know making you tick +5 and tiering all of your nicely upgraded stuff down at midday is not as impressive as capping everything in the early morning, but we gave it a good try

Had great fun tonight. I have seen some engaging open field combat in the early evening, trolled UW and AS inside AS keep with a couple of Lootbag-machines (formerly known as ACs) on top of the Lords Room as AS was fighting with UW, joined a good old fashioned golem-march with lion and lost bay to AS despite all the nice defensive trebs. Finally, to top it all off I had a 2 hour duelling session against two SWD thieves. Thanks guys for all the duels you gave me both on necro and guardian and the nice banter and chit-chat about builds. It’s good to at least have some duels when a GvG does not seem in sight.

On a side note, if you happend to have been burried underneath a balli-buildsite tonight don’t rage too much. I simply had too many of the darn things and I only get to place them very occasionally. So out of boredom, I decided to give you some tomb-stones. I hope there are no hard feelings.

See you in the battlefields or behind the windmill. Have a great week.