Guild Wars 2

All this arguing and vitriol between PvE and PvP is the same record Anet played during GW1. It took them years and the departure of most of the original PvP community before they listed then.

I don’t understand why they are once again trying an already failed idea and bashing their heads against it. Eventually they will concede to the obvious, but once again it is just far too late.

This is the most amateur design I’ve seen in ages. How on earth could you decide that alphabetical order to be the best way to judge this?

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

I just miss how varied the music was.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Neb.4170:

Anet did not all of sudden decide to make an expansion just because some people complain. That’s really not how this stuff works.

If anything the reason they are switching to an expac is probably because NCSoft needed an increase in revenue for stocks.

Excuse me, but they say otherwise and have said so in various interviews. That’s exactly how it worked.

You don’t believe me, do you? Six-minute mark. Hear it for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIiqCW4WrFo

I’m sorry, I didn’t realize I was talking to someone who believes marketing speak.

I’m going to just say ‘pass’ on this.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Neb.4170:

Who cares if some angry random schmuck complains for a day? The angry minority on your forum should not decide how you run your game.

Unless you want to run it into the ground.

A day? Are you new to the forums or something? The point is that angry minority got their expansion. They did decide how to run the game. Hello? That’s kind of the point of this thread.

No new content because the expansion is taking all the resources. And that’s something we said would happen. But the expansion crowd didn’t care. They wanted their expansion.

And here we are.

Anet did not all of sudden decide to make an expansion just because some people complain. That’s really not how this stuff works.

If anything the reason they are switching to an expac is probably because NCSoft needed an increase in revenue for stocks.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

The question is . . . why? Every time they add even a minor bit of small content, the forums ignite with complaints. Hello? Look at what happened with April Fool’s.

It such a lose/lose situation for ANet. kitten ed if you do and kitten ed if you don’t.

Who cares if some angry random schmuck complains for a day? The angry minority on your forum should not decide how you run your game.

Unless you want to run it into the ground.

Carighan.6758:

Neb.4170:

No, this is not true. Most games release content patches in between Expansion releases.

That’s what I said.

We’re past the last content patch (the end of season 2) now, and in the drought to the next expansion release. Come the expansion we get a slew of new content, followed by a few patches with smaller content releases again (in this case, the HoT LS), and then if the concept is successful we’ll get another long drought to the next expansion.

Which is not unlike, say, WoW, at all. Only the during-expansion content patches are smaller but more frequent due to the nature of LS. But the general layout is the same.

I guess I’ve been playing too many games with actual content patches to consider a living story release one of them.

Hopefully it doesn’t return.

Also I’m not sure you’ll want to emulate WoW’s content drought methods. FF14 will only have had about 2 months with no content patch until the expansion. If HoT releases in… let’s be generous and say August, that’s what, 8 months?

Carighan.6758:

Fingolfin.6917:

But fact is that we did not get ANY new content since wintersday.

Yes, this is exactly how “classical” MMO development works. After the last patch of an expansion you have a huge gap until the next expansion releases.

This is entirely normal and exactly what people hopefully knew they were crying for when they flooded the forums with the barrages of “Stop LS! Give me expansions!”.

And now ANet is delivering. Expansion sounds awesome, but assuming it works out and is successful, just be aware that the days of relatively frequent smaller content additions are most likely over.

No, this is not true. Most games release content patches in between Expansion releases.

CureForLiving.5360:

Eh… allow me to explain.
Living World = relatively regular content updates
Expansion = In time large expansion addition

You can’t really have it both ways without one or the other having to suffer in terms of quality

Creating an expansion doesn’t mean that you don’t do small content patches before expansions. This idea that Anet can’t release anything while working an expac is nonsense.

Look at FF14.

Cash shop RNG is the worst kind of RNG.

Would be nice. The GW2 dances fall terribly short in my opinion.

Mea.5491:

Pfft, I would like this one if that butt-frill (or whatever you call it) were smaller. It’s probably gonna have ugly clipping issues with back weapons.

Looks more like butt plumage.

Caw Caw.

The male one looks like Handsome Jack would wear it.

Also these all being all or nothing outfits is just meh.

It’d be fun to do the giant Karka every now and then. Like once a month, not too often.

Benny lava would have been better.

It is fun to be the Great Sage, Equal of Heaven.

I just wish the fight was either…

1. Less boring
2. Shorter

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This big.

Fact.

Empathy has never been the strongest impulse. Add in the total anonymity and distance of the internet and you get that kind of thing a lot.

Fact is, most players/people won’t understand, nor will they try to. You’re far better off just ignoring it and keeping the ones that do around.

2c

Oh and here’s to hoping you get a Scruffy golem at some point in the future.

Diovid.9506:

Neb.4170:

Balancing issues won’t go away whether or not new classes are added. That’s not really a good reason to not add things.

Of course it is a good reason. The more things are added (whether in the form of new weapons or skills or traits or classes), the bigger the issues become. Just because there are balance issues now and just because there will always be balance issues doesn’t mean that the issues can not become bigger.

So you’re saying it’s better to not add anything because it may get worse? Let’s just stick with the tired, unbalanced mess we have now.

That’s a wonderfully pessimistic outlook. I’ll pass on that.

Ayrilana.1396:

New class would just create more balancing issues. I have seen many class suggestions over the past two years and none of them have been unique. They’ve all been a blend of two or more existing classes.

Balancing issues won’t go away whether or not new classes are added. That’s not really a good reason to not add things.

Maybeitwill maybeitwont buthowonearth wouldweknow?

Tao.5096:

Before being so happy over Windows 10, I suggest to read EULA first.

The EULA is to do with the technical preview. The EULA for Windows 10 itself will most probably be very different. It’s like being surprised about the crazy nonsense NDAs have for alphas.

Rabble rabble rabble.

It would be nice to have new ways to interact with the game. I feel like nothing has changed on the players side since launch. All the skills are mostly the same (Slight nerfs/buffs not withstanding) and the professions are all mostly the same as well.

Again, not saying the game hasn’t changed. Just saying the way we play inside of it it hasn’t.

The CDIs are not promises but they are roadmaps but not really because we don’t know.

I really hope they don’t turn the mursaat into more dragon fodder.

Shamuel.9175:

It would be a huge shame if they removed it :/ I missed the original sale last year by a day when I returned home from vacation… Real shame….

People who missed the first halloween really missed out. Both on the “dungeon” and on the skins which are now thousands of gold. No clue why Anet doesn’t bring stuff like that back. That dungeon was fun.

Probably marked for deletion. Hohoho.

I still miss prot monks. It’s gotta be my #1 miss for this game.

I know, go home old fogey, nobody wants your old dumb trinity.

I feel like prot monks (Not healing monks) would have been amazing in this game with this combat. Guardian does not compare.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Adry.7512:

IndigoSundown.5419:

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just replying to correct one thing; i am sure that MOST people feel displeasure for how the game is implementing content….especially how its NOT implementing content on very crucial aspects of the game, including PVP.

As far as PvP players go, I can see why a majority might be disaffected. I might argue the assertion of “most players” as far as PvE goes. My point (re PvE play) was that the tinkerers and theory crafters are more likely to feel ignored than story lovers, or even treasure hunters.

As someone who enjoys lore in/outside/around games I really dislike living story. It is the daytime soap opera equivalent of a story.

(Opinions)

I remember people complaining about how short it was… not how hard it is.

Honestly, aside from some of the gimmicky one shot bits (Dodge here!) nothing was very hard.

Due to unforeseen bugs with doors, we are now removing all doors from the game. We call this patch the NDE (New Door Experience)

You can now unlock the fixed doors for 200gems in the cash shop.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I don’t understand… the 1st revamp of the daily had too few choices, so the 2nd revamp of the daily added more choices, now the 3rd revamp of the daily removed those choices…

First off… Why do you keep wasting development time revamping the daily? this is literally the 4th iteration of it.

Secondly… why are we reverting to having no choices? that was what you tried to solve with the last revamp…

Sometimes it feels like Anet is 2 factions duking it out over the direction of the game.

This is one of those occasions. The changes to the daily seem schizophrenic compared to the last changes.

Vayne.8563:

A few months ago, a Lotro dev who left the company (and thus could no longer be gagged) said that not only did less than 10% of the Lotro population raid, but less than 10% of the population raided since the game launched. He also said that forum posts by that group made up 50% of the posts.

This isn’t just Anet pulling numbers out of the air. First of all, more people solo in MMOs than most of us would like to believe. And those people tend not to do dungeons at all and none of them would care about dungeons unless they made a solo version.

I am not sure if you meant to conflate raiding and dungeons but they are extremely different beasts. Raids require large amount of people, coordination and communication. Dungeons are nowhere near the same.

Do we even have a good idea of what IS coming?

Aside from more LS, of course. Tons more where that came from.

Excite is the wrong word, lost my ability to get excited for this game a year + ago.

I’d like to see big additions and big changes, but I have close to zero hope of them occurring.

Filaha.1678:

TBH, I don’t see how there’s an argument based on “Rangers are a pet class!!!!” to argue against putting it in since I can put my pet on passive and have it not do anything as well. Clearly my pet is not an unavoidable and necessary aspect to my class.

It’s not so much an argument as it that is just what ArenaNet wants.

They want the ranger to be a pet class and have said, flat out, that it will stay that way.

Sucks, but it is what it is.

Vynas.2063:

I thought Anet’s idea of no dedicated roles was preety cool at first but now I see it makes you feel like your character is decent at everything, but good at nothing.

Unfortunately you have only one goal in this game, regardless of your class choice. Do damage. You can make a ‘support’ build, but you’ll just be a hindrance, especially so if you plan on doing any dungeon content.

Also don’t roll necro if you plan on doing dungeons/fractals.

@Vayne, have you ever heard of ignoring people? You should try it out. For all of our sakes.

Petless rangers have been requested since beta. Anet’s stance on it thus far has been a resounding ‘No.’ They see the ranger as a pet class and only a pet class.

Vynas.2063:

Thanks for the posts, and really guys there is no need to argue you both brought up good points. As for what made me quit in the first place, it wasn’t the PvP or PvE, I had fun with both it was just that I could not find a profession that clicked with me. I tried them all, but I just couldn’t find the one that made me say “Hell yeah, this is my toon right here.” With WoW’s new expac though it feels like they gutted and changed the classes there way to much to the point where characters I have loved for years do not even feel the same anymore, so I figured now was a good a time as any to give GW a second chance.

I have the same issue with the game. Leveled up every class, don’t like any of them. I come back every so often to see if the professions have been changed and/or new ones have been added.

No luck yet.

Using an EU proxy allowed me to update the game.

May want to try it.

The moderation is wanting.

I don’t know why they let people rant for pages and pages about off topic stuff.

I am glad you took the time to take an extremely balanced approach to the pros and cons.

/sarcasm

Mesket.5728:

Neb.4170:

Mesket.5728:

Even if at the end an Elder Dragon was behind Scarlet

Scarlet is behind the Elder Dragons.

Ha.

That would be the end of GW2 for me (and many others) at least lorewise. I will just play the arcade then.

Funny enough, Scarlet makes the Elder Dragons look like ‘good’ bad guys and they are also pretty bland and uninteresting.

Really, what point is there to the Dragons? Do they have any goals? All they seem to do is destroy. They have the personality of a Tornado/Earthquake.

Mesket.5728:

Even if at the end an Elder Dragon was behind Scarlet

Scarlet is behind the Elder Dragons.

Ha.

Dr Ritter.1327:

Zerole.7306:

Why bother complaining about this?

If you like it and think it’s worth it, buy it. If you don’t like it and think it isn’t worth it, don’t buy it. This is not a strange concept, and choices are a good thing to have.

Because if enough people buy it, they will think it is okay to overprice items in the gem store…

And they would be correct, wouldn’t they?

Nothing like 80s power metal to get a dark and scary theme going…

WTF?

This isn’t specific to the changes being made this run, but it does tie into the changes. I believe Anet needs to take a very hard look at the stat bonuses tied to trait lines. For many classes these are very haphazard, or they appear to be at the very least.

This may have been done intentionally, to promote hybrid builds and try to prevent overspecialization, however it hasn’t had that effect at all. People will always specialize, because specializing will almost always give better payout. Most of the classes that are viewed as ‘better’ and/or ‘More complete’ have trait lines that function with the stats given. The classes that are generally viewed poorly have trait lines that do not mesh with the stats given.

Examples:

Ranger
-traps (Which are all about conditions) are linked to a trait line (Skirmishing) that gives zero bonus to Conditions in anyway possible.
-Bows require an extremely high amount of traits to become ‘maxed’, most weapons for other classes only require a single traitline. Long bows require 70 traits and even then you are forced to sacrifice some because of poor placement.

Necro
- Soul Reaping is a defensive traitline tied to Critical Damage. This has been rectified slightly by giving us Deathly perception, however I still think the defensive trait being tied to these crit bonuses is very poorly thought out.

Engineer
- Same problem as the necro. Crit damage is tied to a traitline that gives defensive ‘Toolbelt’ tricks and modifications.

Now, for an opposite example lets take the Warrior.

Their crit damage tree, while not tied to a strait power/precision tree is tied to burst damage recharge. Obviously this meshes well with Crit damage. This is a good example of a tree that while not based on pure stats, does work well within itself.

I do hope that Anet takes a more ‘thorough’ look at these trees. Small skill changes aren’t really what people are looking for anymore. We’ve had a year of small changes that really haven’t fixed the basic problem.

One of the biggest driving concepts of the ‘living world’ was to viscerally feel and see the changes in the world. I feel that this concept has really fell far from the intended goal. Each update feels very ephemeral and very little changes actually make any impact whatsoever.

This, coupled with the ’Filler’* type bosses/enemies we have seen makes these updates just feel like pointless fluff with an associated checklist of random achievements. I do not feel like the story has gone anywhere since Zhaitan was killed. This is after an entire year has passed in real time. We’ve seen no changes in Orr, no changes to the world from his demise, nothing. Zombies continue to spawn, Orr is still a wasteland, nothing. The ‘living’ world hasn’t changed at all. The ‘living’ story hasn’t made any impact on the world.

We’ve had zero progress in ‘explorable’ areas since the original Karkaland debut. That was quite a while ago and even that was pointless filler.

**Read: Filler, no real impact on the main driving story. Dragons.