Guild Wars 2

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

sophiewhite.3149:

Obindo.6802:

Rev is still arguably strongest class, some would argue mesmer competes with it tho

on my rev i cant kill a mesmer of equal skill because most of my attacks have a mind of their own. oh you want to target the real mesmer? here let me hit every single clone once just to make sure.on my warrior? i can kill a lot of mesmers.

Rev is not for 1v1 even tho it has good matchus. The game is rock paper scissors. Don’t be stupid.

Pretty sure rev was supposed to hardcounter any power build 1v1 and be hardcounter by any condi build which is a reason why it cant clean a kitten (sadly they nerfed it to pleb level and left condi weakness turning rev into a subpar thief). We even have “legendary assassin” stance for a reason or the weapon itself that it supposed to be 1v1 oriented. So how rev is not for 1v1?

Using your rev to 1v1 is a waste of your rev

Nice argument there m8, spot on. 11/10

since you cannot confront it, I’d say, yes it is.

Rev is still arguably strongest class, some would argue mesmer competes with it tho

Eval.2371:

Obindo.6802:

Estimated IQ of 150-180, Eidetic memory, all A’s in the most demanding/“difficult” alignment in sweden, skipped a grade ahead of my age (17) and my self esteem is good thank you, it’s not shaken because a random no name on the internet gets seemingly triggered.

If your that intelligent why are spending time on a video game board arguing with people when you already know there is no point getting through. Seriously go do so something productive with that big brain of yours.

Even if you are somewhat good at rev and have people that think your good; no body gives a flying spaghetti monster amount of cares. No matter how good or how good you think revenant is, it still does not change the fact that the changes were bad for build diversity. Not everyone wants to play or cares for power invo glint rev.

Fun. Also, I don’t play rev.

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

Shadowstep.6049:

- calling out Obindo and top players and then wonder why he posts about his “accomplishments” is hilarious. You asked for it but you don’t want to listen to it? (by all means i am everything but a fan of Obindo, but he is a good player). Also, dismissing top players opinion about revs because it is uncomfortable truth is sad.

Shhh, let them live in their own world, it offers for great entertainment! Also the repetition of “accomplishments” was merely coz they kept getting triggered by it, hence great entertainment

nor is anyone getting triggered (even tossing out jokes).

Ofc not, wink wink

Huskyboy.1053:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Nobody, exactly.

The conversation can go back to being productive now.

Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name

“Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name.”— Nobody

But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments

“But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments.” — Nobody, the Keyboard Warrior (( get it? ))

Correction: Your superior who will actually accomplishes something meanwhile you QQ on forum to compensate for no success, talk about keyboard warrior.

Coming from the person trying to validate themselves over a game, likely because you have no real accomplishments. Seriously, is your self esteem this easy to shake just by poking it?

Should have taken Retaliatory Evasion, because you take hits like a necro

Estimated IQ of 150-180, Eidetic memory, all A’s in the most demanding/“difficult” alignment in sweden, skipped a grade ahead of my age (17) and my self esteem is good thank you, it’s not shaken because a random no name on the internet gets seemingly triggered.

The real question: are you euphoric?

Nope

Shadowstep.6049:

- calling out Obindo and top players and then wonder why he posts about his “accomplishments” is hilarious. You asked for it but you don’t want to listen to it? (by all means i am everything but a fan of Obindo, but he is a good player). Also, dismissing top players opinion about revs because it is uncomfortable truth is sad.

Shhh, let them live in their own world, it offers for great entertainment! Also the repetition of “accomplishments” was merely coz they kept getting triggered by it, hence great entertainment

Garr.1823:

Obindo.6802:

There’s no class stacking btw, but yes it does dominate teamfights. To have a rev in a teamfight is a huge advantage. If 1 team has a rev in a teamfight and the other doesn’t, then that team has an advantage except in certain cases of full counter comp. Simply put: any mirror matchup, where 1 team has 1 class swapped out for a rev, then they’re at an advantage (x + y + rev > x + y + z). That’s just an example, doesn’t have to be a mirror, applies for almost any teamfight apart from exceptions of counter comps.

Emm…
Mate, just check any top-5 teams in prev world tournament. They got nearly the same build, professions, etc.
So your words about “xxy > xxx” could be applied to ANY profession in that builds. Your logic is kinda flawed

And as we said – no1 argue about boon duration. It’s a team balance. We don’t like that cons of revenants (lack of stun breakers and stability) became even worse.

No, it’s not flawed, in any teamfight you have a rev is basically a win, in the example I gave was that if u replace any class in a mirror matchup (in the example, a 3v3) with a rev, the one with a rev is at an advantage.

Krysard.1364:

Obindo.6802:

Krysard.1364:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Nobody, exactly.

The conversation can go back to being productive now.

Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name

“Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name.”— Nobody

But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments

“But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments.” — Nobody, the Keyboard Warrior (( get it? ))

Correction: Your superior who will actually accomplishes something meanwhile you QQ on forum to compensate for no success, talk about keyboard warrior.

Coming from the person trying to validate themselves over a game, likely because you have no real accomplishments. Seriously, is your self esteem this easy to shake just by poking it?

Should have taken Retaliatory Evasion, because you take hits like a necro

Estimated IQ of 150-180, Eidetic memory, all A’s in the most demanding/“difficult” alignment in sweden, skipped a grade ahead of my age (17) and my self esteem is good thank you, it’s not shaken because a random no name on the internet gets seemingly triggered.

This has to be a joke tho

Because nobody can be anything other than a failure if it’s not urself The only acceptable response would be “I’m a kitten” or it’s all a lie so you can feel better about urself.
You as in plural

Man, I already got it, youre trolling around, but it was fun when it wasnt clear if u were or not lol

Hehe, but, the part u said was a joke is actually true tho

Krysard.1364:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Nobody, exactly.

The conversation can go back to being productive now.

Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name

“Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name.”— Nobody

But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments

“But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments.” — Nobody, the Keyboard Warrior (( get it? ))

Correction: Your superior who will actually accomplishes something meanwhile you QQ on forum to compensate for no success, talk about keyboard warrior.

Coming from the person trying to validate themselves over a game, likely because you have no real accomplishments. Seriously, is your self esteem this easy to shake just by poking it?

Should have taken Retaliatory Evasion, because you take hits like a necro

Estimated IQ of 150-180, Eidetic memory, all A’s in the most demanding/“difficult” alignment in sweden, skipped a grade ahead of my age (17) and my self esteem is good thank you, it’s not shaken because a random no name on the internet gets seemingly triggered.

This has to be a joke tho

Because nobody can be anything other than a failure if it’s not urself The only acceptable response would be “I’m a kitten” or it’s all a lie so you can feel better about urself.
You as in plural

Pvt Frosty.6973:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

“Estimated IQ of 150-180, Eidetic memory, all A’s in the most demanding/”difficult" alignment in sweden, skipped a grade ahead of my age (17) and my self esteem is good thank you, it’s not shaken because a random no name on the internet gets seemingly triggered." — Nobody

Just going to leave this here.

Requote:
“Correction: Your superior who will actually accomplishes something meanwhile you QQ on forum to compensate for no success, talk about keyboard warrior.
You need to wake up and realize there are people who’re not as degenerate as yourself.” — Nobody

Am I supposed to be writing these all down? They’re really long, tend to have grammatical errors, and sound like the ramblings of someone upset about falling short of their aspirations.

Lol hillarious how easily you guys get triggered ^^

Ikr, I just started informing them about the state of rev, and the forum heroes popped up and got triggered and started qq’ing, now I’m just interested to see how long they’ll keep going 4Head

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

“Estimated IQ of 150-180, Eidetic memory, all A’s in the most demanding/”difficult" alignment in sweden, skipped a grade ahead of my age (17) and my self esteem is good thank you, it’s not shaken because a random no name on the internet gets seemingly triggered." — Nobody

Just going to leave this here.

Requote:
“Correction: Your superior who will actually accomplishes something meanwhile you QQ on forum to compensate for no success, talk about keyboard warrior.
You need to wake up and realize there are people who’re not as degenerate as yourself.” — Godbindo

“Am I supposed to be writing these all down? They’re really long, tend to have grammatical errors, and sound like the ramblings of someone upset about falling short of their aspirations.” – Random forum reet

Write what down?

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Nobody, exactly.

The conversation can go back to being productive now.

Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name

“Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name.”— Nobody

But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments

“But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments.” — Nobody, the Keyboard Warrior (( get it? ))

Correction: Your superior who will actually accomplishes something meanwhile you QQ on forum to compensate for no success, talk about keyboard warrior.

Coming from the person trying to validate themselves over a game, likely because you have no real accomplishments. Seriously, is your self esteem this easy to shake just by poking it?

Should have taken Retaliatory Evasion, because you take hits like a necro

Estimated IQ of 150-180, Eidetic memory, all A’s in the most demanding/“difficult” alignment in sweden, skipped a grade ahead of my age (17) and my self esteem is good thank you, it’s not shaken because a random no name on the internet gets seemingly triggered.

Care to grab some popcorn and a seat, Burtnik? This is priceless entertainment.

Being able to entertain yourself is a great quality

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Nobody, exactly.

The conversation can go back to being productive now.

Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name

“Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name.”— Nobody

But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments

“But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments.” — Nobody, the Keyboard Warrior (( get it? ))

Correction: Your superior who will actually accomplishes something meanwhile you QQ on forum to compensate for no success, talk about keyboard warrior.

Coming from the person trying to validate themselves over a game, likely because you have no real accomplishments. Seriously, is your self esteem this easy to shake just by poking it?

Should have taken Retaliatory Evasion, because you take hits like a necro

Estimated IQ of 150-180, Eidetic memory, all A’s in the most demanding/“difficult” alignment in sweden, skipped a grade ahead of my age (17) and my self esteem is good thank you, it’s not shaken because a random no name on the internet gets seemingly triggered.

Burtnik.5218:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Nobody, exactly.

The conversation can go back to being productive now.

Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name

“Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name.”— Nobody

But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments

“But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments.” — Nobody, the Keyboard Warrior (( get it? ))

But bruh, “cake walk” are pros. I mean nobody roams as good as them in dire gear kappa. Srsly this guy.. Worth to note, gw2 atm has little over 800 viewers on twitch. Such emotions, much wow, Esport confirmed.

Nobody said Cake Walk are pros, only Godbindo, who’s btw, not in Cake Walk

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Nobody, exactly.

The conversation can go back to being productive now.

Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name

“Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name.”— Nobody

But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments

“But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments.” — Nobody, the Keyboard Warrior (( get it? ))

Correction: Your superior who will actually accomplishes something meanwhile you QQ on forum to compensate for no success, talk about keyboard warrior.

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Nobody, exactly.

The conversation can go back to being productive now.

Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name

“Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name.”— Nobody

But I don’t in that quote, you seem as bad at this as your accomplishments

CutesySylveon.8290:

Nobody, exactly.

The conversation can go back to being productive now.

Quote me saying nobody, you can go back to being a no name

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

Jaspe.8694:

It’s amazing to read some comments on this forum. To believe that some players feel accomplished considering themselves “pro player” on gw2. What a life! The eSport of gw2 will never succeed. There is neither the public nor the necessary players. Some pretentious should leave home and look elsewhere. There is a huge difference between gw2 and other (real) competitive games. “Triumph without peril Brings no glory.”

And who are you?

Seriously, you’ve done nothing but try ever so desperately to prop yourself up on a high horse to enforce your opinions.

Nobody cares who anyone is, nor does who anyone might be mean thier concerns or views are inherently wrong because you or your ESL buddies say otherwise, again with no points by the way. Those whispers were just ‘Is rev strongest? ’ ’Yes’ ‘See, I’m right.’

And who are you?

And who are you?

Your superior

CutesySylveon.8290:

Obindo.6802:

Jaspe.8694:

It’s amazing to read some comments on this forum. To believe that some players feel accomplished considering themselves “pro player” on gw2. What a life! The eSport of gw2 will never succeed. There is neither the public nor the necessary players. Some pretentious should leave home and look elsewhere. There is a huge difference between gw2 and other (real) competitive games. “Triumph without peril Brings no glory.”

And who are you?

Seriously, you’ve done nothing but try ever so desperately to prop yourself up on a high horse to enforce your opinions.

Nobody cares who anyone is, nor does who anyone might be mean thier concerns or views are inherently wrong because you or your ESL buddies say otherwise, again with no points by the way. Those whispers were just ‘Is rev strongest? ’ ’Yes’ ‘See, I’m right.’

And who are you?

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Jaspe.8694:

It’s amazing to read some comments on this forum. To believe that some players feel accomplished considering themselves “pro player” on gw2. What a life! The eSport of gw2 will never succeed. There is neither the public nor the necessary players. Some pretentious should leave home and look elsewhere. There is a huge difference between gw2 and other (real) competitive games. “Triumph without peril Brings no glory.”

And who are you?

It doesnt matter who he is. Hes right and everyone knows it except the ones who considered themself “pro”

Also tbh what you doing on these forums anyway, go back to your passive 0 skill war section.

And who are you?

Jaspe.8694:

It’s amazing to read some comments on this forum. To believe that some players feel accomplished considering themselves “pro player” on gw2. What a life! The eSport of gw2 will never succeed. There is neither the public nor the necessary players. Some pretentious should leave home and look elsewhere. There is a huge difference between gw2 and other (real) competitive games. “Triumph without peril Brings no glory.”

And who are you?

Garr.1823:

Obindo.6802:

There’s no class stacking btw, but yes it does dominate teamfights. To have a rev in a teamfight is a huge advantage. If 1 team has a rev in a teamfight and the other doesn’t, then that team has an advantage except in certain cases of full counter comp. Simply put: any mirror matchup, where 1 team has 1 class swapped out for a rev, then they’re at an advantage (x + y + rev > x + y + z). That’s just an example, doesn’t have to be a mirror, applies for almost any teamfight apart from exceptions of counter comps.

That’s called “support” . Have a support in a group is always an advantage, if other group does not have any.

Also you can check any team build in previous tournaments – teams are nearly the same, so your words will be accurate for necro, mesmer, etc…

This patch nerfed the support role (boon duration) , and that’s ok imo. The problem (for me) is in a stability nerf. Revenant does not have usable stun breakers, and now no reliable stability. And that is the issue.

Yes, but a teamfight without a support is rare, and rev will anyways outweigh the support. x + y + rev > x + y + support

Lyger.5429:

Didn’t they promise a slight dps increase for rev to compensate the boon duration nerf?

Then they realized revenant has insane dmg

Eval.2371:

It’s sad how this thread has degraded to kittening contest rather than something productive, like… idk a set of changes that could help make other parts of rev better. Literally anything other than stroking your egos on the forums would be productive… and to think the biggest ego of the all in here is someone who “quit” months ago.

If a moderator happens to see this, it might be an idea to just close this.

Ik. I just informed people that rev is still strong (most consider it strongest, some would argue mes competes with it), and explained why that is, but people, I’ll requote myself, get mad because it doesn’t cater to their own world where they want whatever requisite they have to seem as bad as possible for any of their eventual feats to seem more impressive than it is.

Vasdamas Anklast.1607:

Obindo.6802:

I got something for you btw:

Ow…to think you actually cared this much to reply.

I am just a mediocre revenant myself but during last 4 seasons I managed to beat many ESL players in my match up, whether it’s revenant or some other class they were running (and died many times to them too btw). ESL players aren’t a big deal, they are good but I know people that can’t or don’t want to bother with this kind of a burden and still be monstrously good and far more impressing. I love how some players tend to panic once they see some ESL players though, while in my opinion they should see it as a challenge. Whether they will be dissapointed like me or not , does not matter.

Now to add my opinion about last revenant nerfs. I used to run retribution for roaming on WvW and sometimes in SPvP depending on matchups but recently swapped to invocation because of some… advantages it has over any other traitline except for devastation. I mean is it one build for anything nowdays? Dev+Invocation+Herald zerk/mara? The class is being so blatantly forced into these three traitlines, it makes me depressed as I love messing around with builds trying to find gimmick build noone usually running.

P.S full celestial revenant, 5 stacks of might against a warrior with 2.6k armor

I’ll requote myself, it does not apply fully to you but you will get the idea:
“people think that if you win 1 single duel vs someone you are much better than them, regardless of hard counter (nobody seems to realize this game is rock paper scissors, not a 1v1 game, yet people value themselves based of a single 1v1), in a yolo ranked q where nobody gives a kitten, could’ve might as well been talking to ppl irl, or talked to/read chat (streamers), not given a kitten? And then say they farm them ez coz they won 1 duel despite said conditions.”
Esl does not equal being good, it’s that good players is a prerequisite for and often equal esl. A better way to put it rather than esl is top tier. Try and duel (not random yoloq) Frae, Drazeh or Aurora. If you’re on NA, I can’t say anything, but NA seems too be lacking very much lately in keeping up skill-wise. Not to claim some EU vs NA superiority blabla, just that atm they’re behind.

kdaddy.5431:

@ Obindo.6802

You wrote “Also; rev does not counter dragon hunter.”

You were talking roles and i simply said that rev can take any role. With that being said i said that you could simply rotate a rev to a DH.

How is that a bad mentality when the so called best DH in NA is not winning 1 vs 1 vs the top tier revs. Not even the best revs but simply ESL level revs, he will lose too.

Im not arguing for EGO or what ever your trying to assume, im pointing out facts in the game at the top level of play. We have had 16 teams- 8 from NA and 8 from EU and only 2 players are playing DH. They struggled all 4 seasons to find there place since necro’s did more damage in team fights, revs-druids- some mesmers and warriors are better in the 1 vs 1.

You specially said that revs do not counter DH …………. and now you write “I’m sorry but I do not care if some NA rev beat some NA DH.”

Im not using some rev or some DH im using the BEST PLAYERS in the game as my examples.

It’s an even matchup, and I do not care if a 1 rev player won a dh player once or twice or whatever in a match, it doesn’t counter and it’s that simple. Also I meant the mentality where if you don’t take a 1v1 that means “you can’t win it”, it’s the same kitten mentality that most people have.

It can take the role of 1v1’ing but it would be a waste of your rev. Rev is basically your mvp and using it to 1v1 is a complete waste, and nobody will do that. Hence not it’s role. You don’t take a rev to 1v1

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

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I said i won the match against them as ventari bunker rev, not that i won vs him 1v1 there. Back then it was a decent decapper build not used by els whatsoever that actually could work and hold well. There are builds outside of your ctrl+c ctrl+v metabuild site. Try it.

“Do you mean that balance should cater to a non-competetive envireonment? that’s beyond stupid.”

You do not have any competetive environment in the first place here, what are you referencing to?

And i was never interested in the “esl” nor streaming so spare me your bs please. I cant really rage when i dont even play this game anymore for a good few months. Now if it was a nerf to my Ratatoskr then i would rage to the skies but as you see it has nothing to do with this game.

You were talking about soloing, which implies 1v1, and it would only make sense that you would continue meaning it. That along with if you say if you win a match vs an esl player in a random q doesn’t mean anything. They’re 2 players and you don’t knoow the other 3, and once again, yolo q, who says they’re tryharding.

There is a competetive envireonment. You don’t have to pretend like it doesn’t exist and that it doesn’t matter and “not interested” to make you feel better for and justify being unable to compete urself. Of course you don’t need to be interested. But to discredit competetive players for being bad, while you yourself havent been able to and/or can’t compete urself is kittened.

5 premade* as seen in pic. I had to dig it from the google, i hidden my name there so deal with it.

GW2 doesnt have “competetive envireonment”. Its just simply not possible given how small the pvp community is. Gw is not even a pvp focused game but pve one. Stop kidding yourself here. MMO and “competetive envireonment” – just facepalm man.. facepalm.

your screen proves my point. And yes there is a competetive envireonment and scene. I’m not arguing, I’m informing you, you can choose to live in your own world if you want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_eSports_games

Ctrl+f has failed me. Help?
I guess i should start consider myself a “top player” in a Vindictus tho.. hmmm.

You really trying compare GW2 to LoL, Dota, Smite, CS, Smash Bros etc? An mmo to real esport games? Thats cute.

I never said guild wars 2 has a big viewership, or compared it to another esports game. You’re just making up thing that I don’t even say in a bad attempt to degrade it and disparage. I’ve said that gw2 has a competetive envireonment and a competetive scene. I don’t understand what is so hard to grasp.

And im telling you that it doesnt have one. Balance is not centered around your esl park. So where is your competetive scene? How many people outside of GW know Helseth, Rom etc? Are they popular in gaming world? No, i dont think so. One day you will figure out why. Good night.

But there is one. Once again, I’m not arguing, I’m informing you, and you’ve chosen to live in your own world, where you will make up anything to compensate for your lack of success. Gl with that

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

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I said i won the match against them as ventari bunker rev, not that i won vs him 1v1 there. Back then it was a decent decapper build not used by els whatsoever that actually could work and hold well. There are builds outside of your ctrl+c ctrl+v metabuild site. Try it.

“Do you mean that balance should cater to a non-competetive envireonment? that’s beyond stupid.”

You do not have any competetive environment in the first place here, what are you referencing to?

And i was never interested in the “esl” nor streaming so spare me your bs please. I cant really rage when i dont even play this game anymore for a good few months. Now if it was a nerf to my Ratatoskr then i would rage to the skies but as you see it has nothing to do with this game.

You were talking about soloing, which implies 1v1, and it would only make sense that you would continue meaning it. That along with if you say if you win a match vs an esl player in a random q doesn’t mean anything. They’re 2 players and you don’t knoow the other 3, and once again, yolo q, who says they’re tryharding.

There is a competetive envireonment. You don’t have to pretend like it doesn’t exist and that it doesn’t matter and “not interested” to make you feel better for and justify being unable to compete urself. Of course you don’t need to be interested. But to discredit competetive players for being bad, while you yourself havent been able to and/or can’t compete urself is kittened.

5 premade* as seen in pic. I had to dig it from the google, i hidden my name there so deal with it.

GW2 doesnt have “competetive envireonment”. Its just simply not possible given how small the pvp community is. Gw is not even a pvp focused game but pve one. Stop kidding yourself here. MMO and “competetive envireonment” – just facepalm man.. facepalm.

your screen proves my point. And yes there is a competetive envireonment and scene. I’m not arguing, I’m informing you, you can choose to live in your own world if you want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_eSports_games

Ctrl+f has failed me. Help?
I guess i should start consider myself a “top player” in a Vindictus tho.. hmmm.

You really trying compare GW2 to LoL, Dota, Smite, CS, Smash Bros etc? An mmo to real esport games? Thats cute.

I never said guild wars 2 has a big viewership, or compared it to another esports game. You’re just making up thing that I don’t even say in a bad attempt to degrade it and disparage. I’ve said that gw2 has a competetive envireonment and a competetive scene. I don’t understand what is so hard to grasp.

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

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I said i won the match against them as ventari bunker rev, not that i won vs him 1v1 there. Back then it was a decent decapper build not used by els whatsoever that actually could work and hold well. There are builds outside of your ctrl+c ctrl+v metabuild site. Try it.

“Do you mean that balance should cater to a non-competetive envireonment? that’s beyond stupid.”

You do not have any competetive environment in the first place here, what are you referencing to?

And i was never interested in the “esl” nor streaming so spare me your bs please. I cant really rage when i dont even play this game anymore for a good few months. Now if it was a nerf to my Ratatoskr then i would rage to the skies but as you see it has nothing to do with this game.

You were talking about soloing, which implies 1v1, and it would only make sense that you would continue meaning it. That along with if you say if you win a match vs an esl player in a random q doesn’t mean anything. They’re 2 players and you don’t knoow the other 3, and once again, yolo q, who says they’re tryharding.

There is a competetive envireonment. You don’t have to pretend like it doesn’t exist and that it doesn’t matter and “not interested” to make you feel better for and justify being unable to compete urself. Of course you don’t need to be interested. But to discredit competetive players for being bad, while you yourself havent been able to and/or can’t compete urself is kittened.

5 premade* as seen in pic. I had to dig it from the google, i hidden my name there so deal with it.

GW2 doesnt have “competetive envireonment”. Its just simply not possible given how small the pvp community is. Gw is not even a pvp focused game but pve one. Stop kidding yourself here. MMO and “competetive envireonment” – just facepalm man.. facepalm.

your screen proves my point. And yes there is a competetive envireonment and scene. I’m not arguing, I’m informing you, you can choose to live in your own world if you want.

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

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I said i won the match against them as ventari bunker rev, not that i won vs him 1v1 there. Back then it was a decent decapper build not used by els whatsoever that actually could work and hold well. There are builds outside of your ctrl+c ctrl+v metabuild site. Try it.

“Do you mean that balance should cater to a non-competetive envireonment? that’s beyond stupid.”

You do not have any competetive environment in the first place here, what are you referencing to?

And i was never interested in the “esl” nor streaming so spare me your bs please. I cant really rage when i dont even play this game anymore for a good few months. Now if it was a nerf to my Ratatoskr then i would rage to the skies but as you see it has nothing to do with this game.

You were talking about soloing, which implies 1v1, and it would only make sense that you would continue meaning it. That along with if you say if you win a match vs an esl player in a random q doesn’t mean anything. They’re 2 players and you don’t knoow the other 3, and once again, yolo q, who says they’re tryharding.

There is a competetive envireonment. You don’t have to pretend like it doesn’t exist and that it doesn’t matter and “not interested” to make you feel better for and justify being unable to compete urself. Of course you don’t need to be interested. But to discredit competetive players for being bad, while you yourself havent been able to and/or can’t compete urself is kittened.

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Still strongest class atm

Nerfnant is definitely the “strongest class” with the least amount of stunbreaks ingame, 0 condi cleanse, 0 reliable access to stability, 0 reliable heal cus anyone with brain can prevent it by blocking/evading the daggers and not attacking during Glint heal. Yeah totally the strongest class kappa

Yes, if you’re implying it’s bad, prove it in esl. Any good player knows rev is yet the strongest as it’s always been.

Sadly i cant prove it, reason: i left the game in mid of S2. And dont act like a pro when i have soloed you and Vaans many times in ranked so please give me a break about your so called “esl” cus nobody gives a kitten about it anyway.

Ofc you have, like every other no name, who make up their kitten. You say you don’t play anymore yet go on the forums claiming authority over esl players about balance. Next lvl stupidity

Except you are noname yourself. You aint skillful whatsoever, every monkey can record some vids in wvw where they 1v10 enemies but when you get your kitten kicked you dont post it – normal.

And yes i did, just like i beated your esl “pro” players when they played rev. Since beta i havent lost any 1v1 fair matchup vs another rev. I mean i even won a match vs Rom and Frost with Ventari bunker rev..rofl (they havent killed me even once) but for sure you know better. Right.

And just bc i stopped playing doesnt mean i stopped understanding how this game works. Solo rev will be a horrible experience for anyone now.

But I’m not a no name tho. And I as well as other top tier teams consider myself a top tier player.

Any forum hero can sit and say they beat everyone to grow their kitten, when really they can’t do anything, saying they’re better than all esl players yet can’t compete.

I don’t post when I get my kitten kicked because I havent gotten my kitten kicked. Maybe when I had only played 2 months, don’t know.

Your mentality is completely degenerate, and it’s the same as with almost all of this community, people think that if you win 1 single duel vs someone you are much better than them, regardless of hard counter (nobody seems to realize this game is rock paper scissors, not a 1v1 game, yet people value themselves based of a single 1v1), in a yolo ranked q where nobody gives a kitten, could’ve might as well been talking to ppl irl, or talked to/read chat (streamers), not given a kitten? And then say they farm them ez coz they won 1 duel despite said conditions.

I got something for you btw:

Top tier player in 2k pvp pop? Gz i guess? <slow clap> the future is yours. I do love this part “people think that if you win 1 single duel vs someone you are much better than them, regardless of hard counter”

Lets see.. basically the same build with little modifications in form of sigils/rune, the same class, the same weapon, the same utilities. Obviously beating someone here 1v1 doesnt prove anything. If it was a mes vs rev or something.. but rev vs rev using basically the same build? Please continue with your “degenerate” logic.

And sorry to say, but nobody gives a kitten about esl whatsoever, it doesnt reperesent balance of the game, this is CASUAL game, not some esport (and the number of viewers olny proves that) as show by the balance patches itself, many of the nerfs/buffs happens due to pve or wvw, not due to your esl. An example of this was DH who was considered garbage but got nerfs regardless due to how gamebreaking he was in wvw.

If you want esport and you consider yourself a “top player” i welcome you to Smite, LoL, Dota and lets see how far you get there, in a player base that consist of millions. Any group of friends/kids (i mean just lets take a look at vermillion team..) can form an esl team in gw and play. That doesnt mean they are good just bc they are in esl. Good players who were interesed in gw2 pvp left long ago already, garbage players left bragging how they are “top players” when in truth they are mediocre at best. Reality check dude, wake up.

You did not say you won rom druid v druid for example, so the logic applies, the logic also applies for you specify random ranked games, not when u go into a 1v1 server and both actually try.

Do you mean that balance should cater to a non-competetive envireonment? that’s beyond stupid.

Ofc! It’s so easy to get into esl, yet I haven’t seen you in it. All are bad players, so you can easily become the god of pvp and actually earn money instead of raging on the forums to compensate for no success.

S A E.5139:

And to be honest, I do know who you are, as I have watched all sorts of different videos on YouTube. You’re a good player, good videos, and you have an excellent guild. My beef was with how you addressed the community and their mentality. They are right to be upset. In the end, no answers for ESL will come for a while. That’s cool if your opinion doesn’t match, but what gets me is the “one-upmanship” that seemed to come from your comments.

Maybe I phrased it poorly, I meant that his mentality is degenerate and that the community suffers from this very mentality by too many people.

S A E.5139:

Not triggered, but I came here to read opinions on why the nerf occurred and what the rev’s, as a community, can do to address it. You’ve done neither, except be inflammatory.

idc what you came for, and you might wanna reread everything, I informed people that revenant is still extremely strong (strongest class, some could argue mesmer competes) and people get mad because it doesn’t cater to their own world where they want whatever requisite they have to seem as bad as possible for any of their eventual feats to seem more impressive than it is.

S A E.5139:

Look at the kitten swinging around. So much wow. And name calling the community “degenerates”? How old are you. Grow up, make an opinion, and move on. Promise no one is clinging to your every word because you’re “ESL”.

I’m 6 and I’m in esl, look at all my glory! Triggered? I didn’t even try to advertize it, just kinda weird to say I’m a noskilled no name when I compete and considered a top tier player.

Buran.3796:

Obindo.6802:

DH was viable.

You saw the last World Tournament? One DH in six teams (30 slots), and was destroyed.

I wouldn’t call them viable. And I wouldn’t call current patch Herald viable, also.

They werent used because there were druid and who were rev were essential, and necro + ele/scrapper combo was too good to pass up on, and then there was mesmer. There were simply a more optimal combo that didn’t include just dh. Dh was still viable, not just in the optimal compo that also catered to the classes the teams players can play best.

Omega Zoa.3859:

Obindo.6802:

CutesySylveon.8290:

Never once did I say that rev isn’t strong. No one with any sense would say that it doesn’t have strong points, but to say it’s the strongest class in the game, as a random no less, is just willful ignorance.

If you leave any class that’s capable of doing something like support or dps, then yes, they can shift a fight. That axe power necro won’t do much if you pressure him, but if you ignore him, then yes, he will cause you issues and can possibly sway the fight.

Try to stop pointing to els players to drive your point home when you offer no argument to defend your point. Saying it’s the strongest class with the evidence of ‘just because I said so’ or ‘esl’ doesn’t mean a thing. Other people who play the game are capable of just as much understanding of it as any ‘pro’ player, so stand on your own, instead of kneeling to them.

And btw, just saying DH was viable doesn’t mean that it was viable.

I know it doesn’t mean that it is viable, but it is viable, I’m informing, not arguing.

What other evidence is there about what is strong or not strong, than competetive play? Everything can be distorted into “your opinion” “completely subjective” as an escape for being an idiot.
“Kneeling to them”? I refer to esl as us, I play in esl myself.

I asked some friends btw:

Difficult to trust that honestly, no date, no nothing, for all we know those screens are pre patch, Ill take your word for it when i see a video from them discussing this, plus reasoning.

Whisper them. I even showed the rest of the chat in the first screen, which is proof enough, but go ahead and whisper them.

KrHome.1920:

Obindo.6802:

It dominates in teamfight and it’s mobility and it’s +1 capabilities is what makes it strongest class in game and essential.

OK, so you meant not “strongest class” but “strongest class in a very special part (called Pro League match) of the game”.

Neither in Roaming nor in Solo Q Revenant is strong. It’s mediocre at best.

Btw. I doubt it dominates in teamfights focused by 2 condi warrs, 2 DHs, 2 mesmers or 2 condi reapers or simply when no heal- / cleanse bot like ele or druid is around. It is dependant on babysitting like e.g. the meta reaper.

There’s no class stacking btw, but yes it does dominate teamfights. To have a rev in a teamfight is a huge advantage. If 1 team has a rev in a teamfight and the other doesn’t, then that team has an advantage except in certain cases of full counter comp. Simply put: any mirror matchup, where 1 team has 1 class swapped out for a rev, then they’re at an advantage (x + y + rev > x + y + z). That’s just an example, doesn’t have to be a mirror, applies for almost any teamfight apart from exceptions of counter comps.

CutesySylveon.8290:

Never once did I say that rev isn’t strong. No one with any sense would say that it doesn’t have strong points, but to say it’s the strongest class in the game, as a random no less, is just willful ignorance.

If you leave any class that’s capable of doing something like support or dps, then yes, they can shift a fight. That axe power necro won’t do much if you pressure him, but if you ignore him, then yes, he will cause you issues and can possibly sway the fight.

Try to stop pointing to els players to drive your point home when you offer no argument to defend your point. Saying it’s the strongest class with the evidence of ‘just because I said so’ or ‘esl’ doesn’t mean a thing. Other people who play the game are capable of just as much understanding of it as any ‘pro’ player, so stand on your own, instead of kneeling to them.

And btw, just saying DH was viable doesn’t mean that it was viable.

I know it doesn’t mean that it is viable, but it is viable, I’m informing, not arguing.

What other evidence is there about what is strong or not strong, than competetive play? Everything can be distorted into “your opinion” “completely subjective” as an escape for being an idiot.
“Kneeling to them”? I refer to esl as us, I play in esl myself.

I asked some friends btw:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Still strongest class atm

Nerfnant is definitely the “strongest class” with the least amount of stunbreaks ingame, 0 condi cleanse, 0 reliable access to stability, 0 reliable heal cus anyone with brain can prevent it by blocking/evading the daggers and not attacking during Glint heal. Yeah totally the strongest class kappa

Yes, if you’re implying it’s bad, prove it in esl. Any good player knows rev is yet the strongest as it’s always been.

Sadly i cant prove it, reason: i left the game in mid of S2. And dont act like a pro when i have soloed you and Vaans many times in ranked so please give me a break about your so called “esl” cus nobody gives a kitten about it anyway.

Ofc you have, like every other no name, who make up their kitten. You say you don’t play anymore yet go on the forums claiming authority over esl players about balance. Next lvl stupidity

Except you are noname yourself. You aint skillful whatsoever, every monkey can record some vids in wvw where they 1v10 enemies but when you get your kitten kicked you dont post it – normal.

And yes i did, just like i beated your esl “pro” players when they played rev. Since beta i havent lost any 1v1 fair matchup vs another rev. I mean i even won a match vs Rom and Frost with Ventari bunker rev..rofl (they havent killed me even once) but for sure you know better. Right.

And just bc i stopped playing doesnt mean i stopped understanding how this game works. Solo rev will be a horrible experience for anyone now.

But I’m not a no name tho. And I as well as other top tier teams consider myself a top tier player.

Any forum hero can sit and say they beat everyone to grow their kitten, when really they can’t do anything, saying they’re better than all esl players yet can’t compete.

I don’t post when I get my kitten kicked because I havent gotten my kitten kicked. Maybe when I had only played 2 months, don’t know.

Your mentality is completely degenerate, and the community suffers from the very same mentality, people think that if you win 1 single duel vs someone you are much better than them, regardless of hard counter (nobody seems to realize this game is rock paper scissors, not a 1v1 game, yet people value themselves based of a single 1v1), in a yolo ranked q where nobody gives a kitten, could’ve might as well been talking to ppl irl, or talked to/read chat (streamers), not given a kitten? And then say they farm them ez coz they won 1 duel despite said conditions.

I got something for you btw:

Buran.3796:

Obindo.6802:

Rev has good 1v1 matchups, which isn’t even what makes it essential. It dominates in teamfight and it’s mobility and it’s +1 capabilities is what makes it strongest class in game and essential.

I would believe that when the next season of the Pro League starts; people claimed that changes in june did made the DH viable but it failed in every major competition. The current patch trounces the power Herald sustain and most of the Pro League teams do chose rosters based on the overall survability of the team, which is why DH and DD were outside the meta the whole year.

DH was viable.

kdaddy.5431:

Obindo.6802:

kdaddy.5431:

Obindo.6802:

kdaddy.5431:

If you go back and watch the ESL, tarcis lost a 1 vs 1 to phanta on druid. A good rev can take on any 1 vs 1 and stalemate for a long time. Rev has been the hard counter to DH in 1 vs 1 and warriors as well. Rev is the jack of all trades class right now capable of anything so saying its role isnt 1 vs 1 is a bit off.

Any team would use more than 1 rev given no class stacking. A rev doing 1v1’s is a waste of your rev, hence not it’s role.

Also; rev does not counter dragon hunter.

You better go watch S2 or 3 of the Pro Leagues when Zero counter play was trying to get into the League, kitten was winning his 1 vs 1 vs the necro. heurix made the comment that the necro should of been winning that 1 vs 1.

Want to know what they did rotation wise to fix it? They sent a rev to 1 vs 1 kitten the so called best DH in NA.

Also in your own comment, you said if there was no class stacking which means that it could be its role if the team wanted it that way.

We have alot of S1-S4 of rule changing because revs are clearly better then warriors, thieves, and DH. The ability to do everything better means it can take any role and do it better. Simply because a team decides not to run it out to the 1 vs 1 doesnt mean it cant counter it.

You’re gonna have to rephrase everything you said, none of it made any sense nor was relevant.

So there is a thread on top of PvP title like – Why Dh changes were bad- and simply put most people know that revs, engys, druids pretty much hard counter DH at high levels.

Also i was trying to point out players you can look up in the ESL leagues, who are considered the 2 best at the DH class. Tage who went with a sustain build and didnt engage in 1 vs 1 and a player whose name gets change to kitten when i type for NA.

Now the NA DH was the 1 vs 1 specialist in earlier seasons for his team, to make this short. The other team sent a rev to 1 vs 1 him to win that fight.

If my proven examples are not relevant for you then you simply are just arguing to argue.

I’m sorry but I do not care if some NA rev beat some NA DH, doesn’t mean it’s a counter, it’s a pretty equal match up and one beating the other does not equal a counter.

Are you saying Tage didn’t engage unknown name (I assume a rev)? He was playing bunker guard mind you, and because he didn’t take that 1v1 rev counters dh? This is total kitten mentality, “if you don’t take the 1v1 you’re a kitten and can’t beat me” Maybe he was more useful elsewhere? maybe his cap? maybe…. coz he’s a bunker??!?

I’m not arguing, I’m informing you. You can choose to discard it for the sake of ego if you wish.

CutesySylveon.8290:

Winning the match is what’s completely irrelevant when the topic is how a class does against another, so even if you win the match, it doesn’t matter one bit if the conversation is about something else. Stay on topic.

Saying rev shouldn’t get hit with things to begin with puts you in the same line of reasoning that says thief should never die because it has so many evades. You are going to get hit with things no matter how hard you try not to, so that point is a waste. And I wasn’t referring to not being hit with evading attacks, I mean now thief can evade a revs and negate it’s healing, which is just terrible design, so again, missed the point.

Anything dominates in team fights if you ignore it and let it have its way, as well as +1 situations. Rev is dangerous if you leave it be, but has clear and easily readable tactics and counters that range from simply conditions to exploiting broken aspects of the class.

Absolutely nothing rev has is essential that another class can’t do, and sometimes do better. So no, it is not the strongest class in the game.

Ok, so if I make a build that will have us loose just to win a 1v1 vs a rev with an already counter class to rev, which he won’t even take, that means rev isn’t strong? Makes sense. Once again, this game is rock paper scissors.

No, a good rev won’t get hit by warrior f1, of course you’ll get hit by other stuff like auto attack, but if you say a condi warrior’s 200 dmg autoattacks counters rev then go ahead.

According to your logic, even banner warrior “can dominate a teamfight” so, good point, I guess banner warr is as good as revenant.

It is indeed essential, no team would ever run without a rev, and without class stacking, most would use more than 1. It is the strongest class in the game and if your logic as a random is superior to those of esl team and respective players, go ahead and prove it in esl.

CutesySylveon.8290:

It most certainly does not win against condi warrior if it gets hit with one good burst. The enemy -team- having a condi thief doesn’t matter when the topic is thief vs rev, which rev loses because it cannot cleanse or sustain itself, not even with its healing skills. You failed to mention condi Mesmer, likely because your ‘best’ class starts to look worse the more bad matchups you give. All the revs in ESL relied on someone else sustaining them against pressure, like an ele, so stick your nose elsewhere, please.

It does win against condi warrior, and if the enemy throws the game just to beat the rev 1v1 it’s irrelevant, you already win. Rev does indeed die if it tanks everything, but it shouldn’t get hit by an f1 or randomly eat thief dodge spamm to begin with. Ofc mesmer kills rev. Everything has a counter and has something it counters. The game is rock paper scissors, play around it…
Rev has good 1v1 matchups, which isn’t even what makes it essential. It dominates in teamfight and it’s mobility and it’s +1 capabilities is what makes it strongest class in game and essential.

CutesySylveon.8290:

Yes, the strongest class in the game that falls face first against condi Mesmer, condi warrior, condi thief, condi… anything. It’s certainly not the strongest class by any means.

It wins against condi warrior, if the enemy team played condi thief, then you’d win the game anyways, it’s also an unexplored matchup, but rev should win. Rev is not even a 1v1’er.

KrHome.1920:

Obindo.6802:

Still strongest class in the game

…only aginst Power Warriors.

No?

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Still strongest class atm

Nerfnant is definitely the “strongest class” with the least amount of stunbreaks ingame, 0 condi cleanse, 0 reliable access to stability, 0 reliable heal cus anyone with brain can prevent it by blocking/evading the daggers and not attacking during Glint heal. Yeah totally the strongest class kappa

Yes, if you’re implying it’s bad, prove it in esl. Any good player knows rev is yet the strongest as it’s always been.

Sadly i cant prove it, reason: i left the game in mid of S2. And dont act like a pro when i have soloed you and Vaans many times in ranked so please give me a break about your so called “esl” cus nobody gives a kitten about it anyway.

Ofc you have, like every other no name, who make up their kitten. You say you don’t play anymore yet go on the forums claiming authority over esl players about balance. Next lvl stupidity

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Still strongest class atm

Nerfnant is definitely the “strongest class” with the least amount of stunbreaks ingame, 0 condi cleanse, 0 reliable access to stability, 0 reliable heal cus anyone with brain can prevent it by blocking/evading the daggers and not attacking during Glint heal. Yeah totally the strongest class kappa

Yes, if you’re implying it’s bad, prove it in esl. Any good player knows rev is yet the strongest as it’s always been.

Still strongest class in the game

Still strongest class atm

kdaddy.5431:

Obindo.6802:

kdaddy.5431:

If you go back and watch the ESL, tarcis lost a 1 vs 1 to phanta on druid. A good rev can take on any 1 vs 1 and stalemate for a long time. Rev has been the hard counter to DH in 1 vs 1 and warriors as well. Rev is the jack of all trades class right now capable of anything so saying its role isnt 1 vs 1 is a bit off.

Any team would use more than 1 rev given no class stacking. A rev doing 1v1’s is a waste of your rev, hence not it’s role.

Also; rev does not counter dragon hunter.

You better go watch S2 or 3 of the Pro Leagues when Zero counter play was trying to get into the League, kitten was winning his 1 vs 1 vs the necro. heurix made the comment that the necro should of been winning that 1 vs 1.

Want to know what they did rotation wise to fix it? They sent a rev to 1 vs 1 kitten the so called best DH in NA.

Also in your own comment, you said if there was no class stacking which means that it could be its role if the team wanted it that way.

We have alot of S1-S4 of rule changing because revs are clearly better then warriors, thieves, and DH. The ability to do everything better means it can take any role and do it better. Simply because a team decides not to run it out to the 1 vs 1 doesnt mean it cant counter it.

You’re gonna have to rephrase everything you said, none of it made any sense nor was relevant.