Guild Wars 2

Sagat.3285:

bliss.4305:

babazhook.6805:

The Winged foot is the symbol of the Greek God Hermes. Hermes is considered the God of thieves. one of his characteristics was great speed.

The planet mercury and the Roman God Mercury is just a renaming of Hermes and the naming of Mercury the planet was based on its speed in orbit . The Element mercury was also called “quicksilver” due to its fluid nature and how it flowed again referencing Hermes.

Ooooor….

Since whole Daredevil “Elite” Specialization is a lazy rework of Acrobatics… maybe it felt lazy and appropriate to rework the swiftness icon for Daredevil to make it a cherry on the top?

One does wonder…

Nooo that one is too much. How could I forget about swiftness?! More reasons it should have been a fist or palm.

Funny I think thief is the only talking about this.

Talking about important things and being productive hasn’t been getting us anywhere. At least complaining about this we’ll get this doozy in 2 years:

THIEF:
-changed shadowstep icon to a boot. Updated tooltip to reflect this.
-added new icons for tripwire and infiltrators signet. Tripwire is now a boot, and infiltrators signet has removed the signet portion of the icon. Updated tooltips to reflect this.
-backstab – reduced damage by 18%. We still felt thieves were frontloading too much damage, they could almost hurt.
-pistol/* – reduced damage across the main hand skills by 25%. Added tooltips since we removed them 9 months ago.
-infiltrators arrow – range increased by 600. Now you can decap while you decap.
-removed boot armor slot(thief only) to balance the addition of elite specialization icons.

Khisanth.2948:

Selver.1307:

Healix.5819:

If everyone quit cutting down all the saplings, maybe there would be older, more rich trees.

Something to think about…

but there are also ancient saplings …

kitten… It contradicts itself!

Healix.5819:

If everyone quit cutting down all the saplings, maybe there would be older, more rich trees.

Something to think about…

Art direction and visual appeal is good, and they do that incredibly well. The thing I feel their cinematics lack is feelings. Barring the visual aesthetic nothing really pulls my heart strings or makes me go “holy crap that was epic!”. (Examples: Loiusoix in FF14:ARR opening cinematic, Arthas and Tirion Fordring in most of WotLK cinematics, etc).

Hopefully they’ll get better because I’ve seen some decent writing out of them at the least. I do love the visual aspect though.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Because I love the stealth mechanics in games. I’m an old DAoC vet., Infiltrator class.

If only we could do half of what we could there…

PA for daaaaaaays!

This thread was awful and is only spiraling out to be worse.

Much useless, such close please.

You equip it, trickery(222), acro(333, iirc), deadly(233). Valkyrie armor/pack runes, zerk rings/back, valk earrings and amulet.

Withdraw, soa, scorpion wire/rfi, step/refuge/inf signet, open elite.

And it feels like other specs with no SA, though still better than most SA-less specs with self cleanse. Still would rather have FG back there kinda in acro. It’s not awful but it’s not the old 10/0/0/30/30 or variants (or 10/30/0/0/30 which wasn’t as dodgy kitten was known for anyway. I always had better luck kitten anyway, but especially with that one).

Kocoff.7582:

go to youtube and check out these guys.

- Yishis ( old, but still skillfull)
- Coloxus
- Afrogaming
- Hollts
- Arkadius Kole
- El Cabi.
- Rein Forever

Since you are new I suggest you use Berserker to your jewelry set, but Full Valkyrie to your armor.

GLHF and welcome.

I second this recommendation. It gives you enough crit to remain a threat with autos, enough health to take an extra hit or two, and still packs a punch. Valk or zerk weapons as well, in my opinion. Once you’re feeling better (or worse), can start adjusting.

The YouTube users listed, especially the commentating ones, are insightful as to why they’re performance is good if you understand what you’re watching.

Metabattle DP roaming build is acceptable and utilitarian as hell. You’ll get great use out of it playing smart and quick. Once comfortable, I implore you: explore your options.

If I had to calculate…

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Sounds about right..

Gallant Pigeon.5807:

I play trickster too usually, the condi cleanse is important if you aren’t running shadow arts + d/p or stealth utilities. Bountiful theft can be pretty meh too, especially after the vigor nerf and the rng surrounding the boon rip.

Best use for it for me(bountiful theft) is turning enemy daggerstorm against them, and form stabilities. Meh. Plus the CD reduction is nice in trickster. More chances for wire to obstruct!

I still carry on because it feels right. This is the only MMO that I can’t and have no desire to – alt kitten.

In Trinity games I had to roll all the classes because I couldn’t handle awfuls dragging my experience down. I just had to know where the bar could be as opposed to where everyone was letting it rest.

Here, I don’t care what the others are capable of. I’d rather steal their dignity and improvise uses out of it.

Agemnon.4608:

Gallant Pigeon.5807:

Can I add scorpion wire to the list?

The engineer magnetic pull skill is getting fixed so it actually connects at range.

Let’s see:

1.Withdraw for a heal.
2.Shadow refuge isn’t really optional, offers some decent healing and condition removal when traited properly. .
3.Signet of assassination is needed for a passive +25% speed boost.

That leaves one non-elite skill. You can take blind for stealth or haste for getting up after a nasty knockdown. Why would you even want to equip scorpion wire? I actually want to know how it can be useful or worth switching out haste for.

I’ve used it plenty in all game modes. More effectively in open world and wvw. Just pretend the range is 7-900 tops, and keep in mind pebbles body block your wire. I still think it’s great fun to interrupt things and maybe yank them around instead of LoS’ing, or burning dodges.

I also normally run trickster instead of bountiful… Heaven forbid. And rfi when I do. I am obviously a scrub thief main… I’m sure an afk bearbow could kill me…

Anyhow on topic somewhat, I see where you come from OP. I agree wholeheartedly. I sadly expect nothing anymore and just find my little bit of fun when I login.

Consistency is the biggest thing thing for me.

My dash? I still feel like I did when I discovered my love for thief. They didn’t make us feel like other classes. For that I am thankful.

Well we can get longbow as a new elite.
1- shadow shot #2 – (copy inf arrow description)
2- infiltrators pretend arrow – use a plastic arrow to(copy inf arrow description)
3- shadow’s step -(copy inf arrow description)
4- stepping shadows -(copy inf arrow description)
5- quick retreat – use an arrow to cause 100% hp damage to yourself, granting loot bags to everyone in a 3600 unit radius.

New utilities – " shouts "

“I can’t do anything!” – yell about being useless and instantly take the farthest waypoint from your target at no cost.

“Lost cause” – shout about balance, shadowstepping you and all thieves on the map to lions arch if in pve, to spawn in spvp, and to Garrison in wvw.

Elite: “no quarter” – that trait in CS? Yeah. Same thing. Just gives it to your opponents.

You make my day. I have low entertainment standards. nah, for real. Reading this forum is gold. So many insightful ideas and the QQ has diminished a great deal (from other classes, and rightfully so).

I’m always gonna ride it out, even if I use the same 4 builds and same 4-5 weapons. And by builds I mean variants on 2 builds…

Stay strong battle brothers/sisters.

Prepare an orbital strike and begin Operation: Steel Rain. Failing that, kamikaze in hopes your allies can restore honor to you and your family.

Kocoff.7582:

Orpheal.8263:

Specializations will follow later placeholder

This guy’s suggestion has been sponsored and funded by Michael Bay.

The name of elite spec is actually " Solid Snake."

dat backward Cluster Bomb on dodge doe.
and dat Smoke trail on dodge doe…

edit: By Michael Bay and Tony Jaa

Needs more cardboard box and cigarettes to live up to Snake.

Much hope. Such optimism. You sure you’ve been here long? I’m running on fumes, but they get me high enough for my next package separation specialty.

Is the evade frame.

Kill after cast completely, evade full duration, change bleed to 2 per strike for 5s. 6ini. Bam. Better for condi and power, just costs more. Expensive, but not really a downside anymore.

I played Mesmer for 30 levels at release. Couldn’t mesh the VO with the actual character so I rerolled a thief.

By level 4 I knew I found it.

1) mobility and initiative. I’m fine with cooldowns, but the ability to toss two dancing daggers, or headshot a dp thief in black powder a few times? Great feeling.

2) mentioned but shadow refuge ressing from down with 1-15 people swinging around for you.

3) cool factor.

4) the flow of everything. (Misc. Teleport)>cnd>bs, 3k range engages. Triangle porting stomps. Makes you feel like you’re awesome and you have style all at the same time.

If you’re coordinated enough, set up a murder site with some thoughtfully hidden seige, and have them chase you (it’s not hard when they realize it’s 5 coordinated thieves).

Baiting them to locations you pick is key., multi DS combos, you need some venom share, a few condis to share them, and a throw gunk handy. Stagger them enough so you can each drop a new field until you’re all spinning to win. You know the combos, be seeking out your steal targets while you’re spinning for quick clusters into ranger trees or more spin to win power based with warriors.

Thief is my baby. I’ll never have another main. I’m an alt kitten in other games. Here? I have ele mes and guard at 80, but 2 thieves. Thinking about a third.

And yeah, everything else feels really slow…

The random npcs make it more tactical. Daoc had mobs in their borderlands/rvr areas. Wh:o had mobs in their rvr areas. If you don’t want a thief cloak and daggering drop a stealth disruptor, kill the creatures, or kill the thief. If you don’t want opposing zergs to rally, kill the creatures. The creatures die quickly to zergs that kill zergs.

Apply your feedback here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Daredevil-Feedback/first#

asked that to be the Daredevil feedback thread.

Stealing an item based on their stance would be really nice.

Preliminary thoughts. I don’t feel I have gotten to play enough, as I love my job, just not how much I have to be there lol.

Anyway, on with it…

What I used:
Zerker gear
Staff
Sword/Dagger
Traits: Deadly Arts+DD+Trick, Deadly Arts+DD+Acro, DD+Acro+Trick, DD+CS+Deadly Arts

What I did:
Basic PvE, take it with a grain of salt.

The Staff:
Visually, it leaves a lot to be desired. I was disappointed in the animations of the aa chain#3. I was using an Asura character, but the spinning without even holding it is just awful in my opinion.

I am okay with the actual skills, though feel they need slight tweaks.

I enjoy the freedom of movement 5 gives, it just needs to be sped up, as it is very clunky looking. Damage:Ini is good in my opinion

I enjoy the blind in 4, I was just hoping more of a… Hmmm… Yasuo’s wind wall ability in League of Legends? Similar, throws out a wall. I could care less if it is a field or not, would just prefer it as it makes more sense to me than current animation/targeting functions.

I don’t feel the roll back on 3 is far enough, but that could just be me. Other than that it seems to work.

2 is a piece of work… I feel the animation is not so great on this one as well, and that the aiming is strange. I feel like it’s similar to burning speed but it feels so different. I can’t quite put my finger on it but that is my only complaint about this one so far.

autoattack chain I am fine with except the awful animation of last part of the chain.

Damage is okay in my book, it seems to have more overall damage buttons than our other sets while still maintaining some decent tools. Again I have not pvp’d so I am not sure how it will turn out there, and I don’t have the time or dedication to mess with it right now. It’s a long week. I’d love to but I probably won’t get a chance for the pvp side of it until next bwe, or release even.

The heal is slow, but I like it… would like it even more if you dropped .25-.5s off of it, with a 5% base reduction or some minor trade like that. I still like withdraw more, and will probably use it more (read: still almost exclusively in all likelyhood). I don’t plan to give up on it yet.

Haven’t messed with physicals too much. Will take some getting used to, didn’t like how the dagger skills felt so far. But again, this is very cursory.

I think DD paired with Acro might be a bit overkill (not overpowered, just overkill). It is frustrating that you guys destroyed acrobatics for a class mechanic that feels like old feline grace. I am disappointed there, but I try not to be salty because I love my thief… And not because of you guys(ArenaNet), sorry to say. You’ve done a great job creating a game, but if I continue I will go off topic, and perhaps rant…

So, thus far it seems like a really interesting spec from a basic pve standpoint. Hopefully I will have time to get into the real nitty gritty in other game modes.

Sorry I don’t have more time to play with it.

Geiir.7603:

Hi all! Thanks for the bumps, kind words and feedback!

I have been away from the game for a few months for personal reasons, but I am now back and will start working on this guide again. I also want to say that I am expecting a baby girl in early June, so my playing time (and updating this guide time) will be limited. I will do my best to keep the guide up to date at all times.

Just wanted to let you guys know what I’ve been doing and why it is such a long time since I have updated it.

Congrats! Sticky moar!

I haven’t even bothered to find out what they are for, but I don’t have 4 either. I have 5 or 6 of 1/4, and 2 of 2, 1 of 3…

All the pieces of 4 caithe found and took them deeper into maguuma to troll us.

OP if I could +9000 you I would, alas I can’t, so just +1 for you.

I plan on having a nice write up if I can get enough time to play during bwe. Already preordered.

Would have to rename skill. Retreat indicates going the opposite direction, not just any of them, from your opponent. Past that I don’t see what the issue would be. About face is a clunky command and I found better use remapping my key for it to something… Anything…

Circumvention with mouse is yanking down with it at like a 75-80° angle. I’m faster than about face key with it anyway.

if you pay and transfer, your guild will remain intact, you can’t add to it from the new world, and once you remove everything from it it poofs, it’s seperated like bank tabs
Guild Bank

(stuff)

Guild Bank (oldserveryouleft)

(All-that-other-stuff-from-that-server)

(edit: I transferred only once, pre megaservers. It could be different now – this is what I experienced 2 nights ago finally getting the last items out of my previous worlds tab)

I’ve never heard of etiquette on the subject, I treat it like RL myself. Give people space as best I can. In most scenarios where I’m standing is not “my spot” anyway and it’s generally okay for me to be able to step out of them.

But yes. Especially on my asura, I don’t like when people (intentionally) overshadow you. I like to see everyone provided situation warrants it (great for ideas).

It’s gotta be the skelks. What profession/weapon are you using? They go stealth, not invulnerable. A lot of autoattacks don’t require a target. Swing wildly and you should still be hitting them. Be wary, I think they may try to get behind you (though I don’t think they have damage modifiers from stealth/positioning).

Some weaponsets on some professions will have a harder time with them due to projectiles being rather annoying to aim without a target (can be done with camera positioning though).

Overworld.9613:

Let’s steal some optimism

Got it, how much are you willing to pay for a ‘1 handful of rusty optimism(s)’?

Overworld.9613:

TL;DR: What’s the best thing a thief is useful for using only cheerful tones and nice words?

I love math, the last time I added 1 + 1 on my thief it was a grand total of 3! More bang for my buck let me tell ya.

Sb, I have a set with travellers if it’s a big deal. Totc in trickery line, keep a set with pack runes… Whatever I feel like that day. Yes even SOS- normally on signet build though.

I would love more information regarding ICD’s, charges. I’m down. I am also for being able to scale and hide individual elements. I sometimes play with no ui. Its beautiful. I’d love to at least have the floating health bars on, or just my own scaled down health and weaponskills/utility hotbar.

Then I’d have prime screen real estate, my relevant info, and I wouldn’t accidentally click the target window with GTAE’s and cut the distance in half. :(

All in all, I’m for more options. And I like the no UI mods thing.

IGN: Menara Soundscape
Thief Type: 33% Scholar, 33% Teacher, 33% Artisan; can classify my as scholar – I’ve always got more to learn.
Server: Blackgate, Kaineng(previous)
Experience with thief:

~1500 hours between my thieves. Mostly. I’d say the split would have been 20/20/60(pve/PvP/wvw). I’ve tinkered around with many builds and have strong mechanical grasp once I break down what’s going on. The execution part is what gets me (get to into the fight/match for my own good often).

I’ll duel anyone when we have the time. I’m a poor scrub because I used to experiment a lot (Condi and power variants). Just now coming back from a break but trying to knock the rust off. Perhaps I can help someone else out along the way.

I switch between dd, sd(interrupt bot), sp, and sb, pp.
CS, free free IP
DA, mug, free, exe
Tr, free, free, SoH

I keep Withdraw almost permanently, except in labyrinth (go permastealth mode). Occasionally I’ll use signet of malice and drop invigorating precision.

Utilities are fairly open, can go signets and corresponding traits, traps, tricks, whatever you’re comfortable with… Myself I keep scorpion wire, step, and either inf signet, rfi, or haste.

I’m all zerker, but I keep a set of valk trinkets just in case and I’m lazy so keep a cav backpiece.

The sd and sp I find most useful there with all the annoying (insert annoying basic attacks you want near perma interrupted).

I’m just glad someone said they used sp. Used to be my baby… But yeah, I’m with you.

Control+shift+h

Hardcore mode enabled.

I will also duel for rights to this title.

Mechanically sound until someone else in involved. Then my brain goes loopy and anxious getting into it.

Just give back the instant return. Add 1 in I cost to return.

Almost fixed.

I would attest to pw’s power but it’s been a while. If not much has changed in that area in a while then you only use it for control, down cleave, and for sure landings. Also discretionary but those are the main uses. Anyone stupid enough to eat it with a way to avoid it will panic shortly unless bunker- specially if already injured.

#Teamgarrotewire

I always liked gunk for turret sitting engis. Shortbow and gunk and dodge the magnet.

The ele steal is very useful. Out of water? Stay out!

I was one of the ones who left in the exodus and am just now knocking the rust off. I tried to be a helpful thief as I do love this class. It’ll always be my main here. I haven’t kept up enough to be useful now, but I know you, and many other names here have the best for us (thieves) at your heart.

I won’t even bother to get into the arguments over rifle/staff(magical/physical), as I can easily see all of them fitting (acrobat, UMD rogue, sniper). I will say that this shouldn’t be something that divides us. I know we all have differing views on our class, but we can at least (through teef, or here, whatever) go about all of our squabbles civilly and with passion at the same time.

I love you guys. No one knows me and I don’t care, But thief is my baby as much as anet’s, or any of you all’s.

Unite!

…But why not both?

:)

(For those that don’t know the anime (edit: web episodes), it’s a rifle/scythe wombocombo)

(Note I don’t really want this, just popped in my head the other day when I saw a few episodes and watching her fighting style)

When they added the cast time to the return, but dear heavens after coming back after a while it feels worse! I was always dual daggers, I played with sword a lot, and probably still will, but wow… I’ll have to get used to that one all over again… My daggers felt like putting on a glove though.

Did we get our bananas yet?

I have traveler’s for reasons.
I have pack for cheaper than strength and I like the precision it gives me (and allows perma fury/swiftness with my build I normally use)
I have altruism for another build that this allows perma fury and swiftness for teammates as well as myself
I recently salvaged my perplexity set I had for the keks

I almost never use the traveler’s anymore. shortbow, and various melee options, along with the other rune bonuses make it a moot point. I am just reluctant to salvage them because yeah. PvE is boring and completion is painful for me, so I use it to keep more useful utilities.

Death Blossom
20 initiative
you die. flowers blossom out of your corpse.
award the enemy team 65 points if in spvp, 250 in wvwvw, and grant chests with a chance at mystic clovers and precursors (and Marjory’s new dyes! HOLY kitten) to nearby allies in pve.
duration: until you get a new account.
radius: tyria, the mists
light combo field
blast finisher
grants stability.