Guild Wars 2

Thiefs viable if you wish to go D/P — Out of curiosity is any other class in the same position with only one viable weapon set? I think even shoutbow variants have enough swap options to have a larger pool.

Interesting, I thought something drastic had changed since the last time I played considering a large portion of mesmer players seemed to be implying they had it rough the last few years. I finally got around to running a mesmer before I left to see what the hype was about, was pretty disappointed at how simplistic it felt and how easy they juked. I’m sure there is a difference in playing a mesmer at a high rank ; but the same thing can be said for any profession. I personally find managing an Ele far more difficult to play well than I did a mesmer.

/shrug – Interesting thread.

Frost.1503:

I TOLD YOU…..
No body listened to me!!!
All class has been improved and the Necro at the moment can be throw in the trash….
Our condition do less damage, our mobility is low, we don’t have nothing for reflect projectle, we would like seems tank but we are not, we don’t give enough boon to the party, we don’t have invisibility skill, we can’t escape from our enemy…… Signet? NO, I DON’T LIKE BE ALL TIME IN COMBAT, BECOUSE I TAKE CONDITION FROM EVERYBODY! I CAN’T RECHARGE LIFE AND SKILL!!!!

What are you on about? I’m loving my necro; I’m not even running a burst build. Necro is currently in a really good spot, granted there are some condi changes that need to happen ( to condi’s in general ).

As it’s the only class I can speak on currently :

Thief : Flanking Strikes – I don’t think haste should be on a trait, ever .. for any class. It should be a utility skill.

I main a thief currently, so I don’t want to see them nerfed because right now I feel we got a pretty short stick .. burst or die is the only viable option. I also understand that adjustments are going to be made for all classes .. so changing this trait as well as giving us more options to remove conditions and restoring P/P would help.

I’d be fine with the power creep, getting wrecked by burst builds while being one seems fine. My main issue is the condi bombs certain classes are tossing about … the only viable option to avoid instant death is to sit in the wings. Perhaps once they tone down conditions thiefs will be in a better position…. perhaps not.

hibari.9836:

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If you want to understand why not getting a character slot is such a big deal, then think about some element of your account that you’ve worked hard to get and really care about, and think about how you would feel if it was suggested that you should have it stripped from your account and that you were acting “too entitled” if that upset you or you said it was unfair.

It doesn’t though, I’d just do as I have always done and will be doing … buy another character slot with gold or money. Now if there wasn’t a way to get around the character slot issue … then I would understand, but there is … and this is buy to play game that makes money on convenience and cosmetic items.
/shrug

Nilix.2170:

Smitten.3076:

Some of us truly have no idea why not getting a character slot/gems is an issue.

How should I put this?
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I understand the explanation, that’s not the disconnect for me. The disconnect is I think whomever is wrong when they think they should get an extra character slot. I’ve got seven slots myself, 7 are filled with characters I refuse to delete ; I still don’t think I should get a free character slot. ( By free I mean in addition to the base package ) It was my choice to load my account with extra characters and every time I’ve started a new one, it’s been a slot purchase. I guess it’s just a mindset sorta thing, with multiple variables. I’ll amend that you and others might have a point, albeit one I don’t understand ( tricky bit ), in regards to the base package including an additional character slot or the equivalent gems. I’ll also amend that regardless of my personal feelings on it whomever has the right to request this modification. If whomever does receive it I’ll consider Anet just caving to the outcry of a subset of players I don’t understand or agree with. ( Neither a good or bad thing for me )

BUT – I still stick to my guns in regards to some of the people in threads such as this do indeed believe they are entitled to far and above what they should rationally expect. Exampled : I purchased Gw2 three years ago, I’ve supported the game, I deserve X because you are bundling the base game. They are out there, and they are loud.

Ohoni.6057:

Please provide a quote showing this, as I haven’t seen it. If the makers of another game do it, this isn’t proof that players appreciate that kind of marketing strategy.

I’m not putting up links to other games, but you can Google it, they announced it was part of the backwards compatibility deal for XBone.

The fact is, once a game has been out for a year or more, the value typically drops to “junk” status, even if it was a really good game (not counting physical copies of hard to find vintage games, of course). They go for Steam sales at less than 10% their original MSRP, they get bundled into package deals or freebies, that’s just the way of the markets. GW2 is often on sale for $10, and I believe the only reason it doesn’t drop even lower is not because they really mind giving it away to genuine potential customers, but rather they want some minimal financial investment for potential scammers. If people are willing to pay $50 for HoT, they’ve spent at least $50, so it’s no skin off ANet’s nose to give them core GW2 as well.

If the 50 price tag is because you are buying both games(say 10 for core, 40 for expansion) then the game developers should sell an expansion only version for 40.

No. The $50 price tag is for HoT. It was ALWAYS the price tag for HoT. They are also throwing in core Gw2 for free. It makes up exactly 0% of the price of HoT, not 20% as you assert it should, 0%. If they remove it, it’s still $50, because that is the price of HoT, not the price of HoT+GW2, just the price of HoT is $50.

Should I repeat that or has it sunk in yet?

You are infinitely more patient than me, kudos to you for keeping level headed the entire time you’ve discussed this with folks. ( I pull my hair out just reading )

As my only addition : The whole thing just seems so silly, I’ve seen so many people attempt to explain the issue from both sides and it’s a complete disconnect. Some of us truly have no idea why not getting a character slot/gems is an issue. ( Keep in mind , we can disagree on some pieces but not all, I.E I still want more content information before I pull the trigger ) Other folks genuinely feel they are entitled to more something , warranted or not.

chemiclord.3978:

Entitlement is effectively, “I deserve [x] because I did [y].” Entitlement is fans demanding a free character slot because that’s how it was done in the past. Entitlement is demanding 800 or 1600 gems because they’re veteran players and “deserve” it. The latter complaints can (and should) be dismissed without merit.

I think that’s what he was driving at, but my take on what was written might be a bit different as I agree completely. There is certainly discussion to be had on if the content of this expansion is worth $50.00 , one I hope Anet listens and responds to.

Blackworm.2167:

So I can’t call you out on what you make yourself out to be, but you can? Nice double standard.
I’ll take any insults you have to throw at me. I’m used to much worse, honestly.
It has to do with the people I deal with on a daily basis. I just don’t whine about it like you. I tell people what they don’t want to hear, but at least I’m honest. Maybe too honest. Better than being a liar.

“Remember Champ, you attacked me to begin with … "
Nice passive aggression. I attacked your ‘argument’, not you. But what kind of people make these arguments? The ones I described. I see them everywhere, and they hate people attacking their precious companies.
Don’t forget: you look as bad to me as I do to you.

If you have a further problem with me, take it to PMs.

Ha! No you really didn’t attack the argument, not at all. I’ve no need to insult you, I don’t get my feathers all ruffled up over forum .. discussions? ( I don’t think that’s what this was)
I’ve no special love for Anet, so kindly don’t lump me into that category. You can assume what you like of me, I’m sure that’s another fallacy I’m unfamiliar with as well.

P.S – I’m waiting to prepurchase too.

Blackworm.2167:

Wow. It’s almost like that’s already what I’m planning to do. You might be psychic.

But unfortunately for you, you don’t get to silence and censor peoples’ opinions, no matter how much you dislike them. The people complaining have valid points, and just because you can’t understand / don’t like them, does not make them any less valid.

Also, please show me where I used ad-hominems, because you might just be over-sensitive.

“It’s people like you responsible for the rapidly dropping standards of the gaming industry. You brown-nosers would eat feces if they were spoon-fed by Anet. "

“You sound like the kind of person who would pay as much money as possible for as little content as possible, whatever it is, without using logic first.
Brown-nosing isn’t exactly an effective defense strategy. "

• An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man” or “to the person”¹), short for argumentum ad hominem, means responding to arguments by attacking a person’s character, rather than to the content of their arguments. *

Just as you have the ability to stomp your feet and pitch a little fit, I have the ability to slap your cheek and tell you to stop being a petulant child. * You * being generally anyone pitching a tantrum right now and not asking the only question that should be asked. Remember Champ, you attacked me to begin with … so you either had your feathers ruffled at what I wrote because it implicated you or you’re just the nicest gosh darn person on these forums, looking out for the mad people et al.

" That’s interesting, because I have yet to see an argument postulating that anywhere on these forums. "

Really …. Really?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Give-existing-players-1600-gems
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Compare-HoT-Exp-Bundles-with-other-MMORPG
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3a4ktf/dont_prepurchase_heart_of_thorns/

That’s just the ones I glossed threw too ; the uproar inside of game chat sigh.

" It seems you don’t actually understand the argument, yet want to argue against it anyway because it offends you. This is where you end up looking foolish. "

I’m not arguing , Troll … the argument you think I don’t understand, isn’t the argument that I am arguing. There is no argument, there are mature individuals biding their time, some are asking the right questions, and the rest are frothing at the mouth with indignation and acting the fool. Which are you? ( This is rhetorical )

Blackworm.2167:

Smitten.3076:

Blackworm.2167:

Smitten.3076:

Some GW2 players are the most entitled I’ve seen in the industry, not because they want everything given to them … but because they honestly think they are being rational about this.

Oh yes, because god forbid anyone criticizes the business practices of a company.
It’s people like you responsible for the rapidly dropping standards of the gaming industry. You brown-nosers would eat feces if they were spoon-fed by Anet.
Personally, I expected better from them.
And you honestly think that’s rational behavior. It goes both ways, pal.
To everyone else: Stay cynical, for the good of the industry.

Misplaced anger … totally misplaced, but by all means paint whatever picture you like. Charging standard prices for expansions, certainly the first isn’t exactly a new or odd mmo business practice. Most mmo’s actually don’t give you the base game free with the first expac, they wait until the second to bundle it. I’ll give you that Anet should have dropped an expac a year ago.

What’s absurd is the mentality from those of you screaming the loudest that Anet’s price is bad because new players get the base game or even worse that you don’t know if the expac has enough content. Absolutely absurd … stay mad, don’t buy the expac.

Some of you folks … such entitlement.

“Charging standard prices for expansions, certainly the first isn’t exactly a new or odd mmo business practice.”
Never said it was. This tells me you don’t actually understand the argument being made here.

“Most MMOs” actually are free nowadays. Get with the times, please.

“Screaming the loudest” It’s easy for you to see something you don’t disagree with as ‘screaming’. Very typical.

en·ti·tle·ment
noun
noun: entitlement; plural noun: entitlements

the fact of having a right to something.
“full entitlement to fees and maintenance should be offered”
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More

It’s funny how you want to use “entitled” as an insult, when people are in fact entitled to complete information about what they are purchasing. The opposite is company opacity. That is currently the biggest issue within the gaming industry right now, and you seem to want to perpetuate it.

You sound like the kind of person who would pay as much money as possible for as little content as possible, whatever it is, without using logic first.
Brown-nosing isn’t exactly an effective defense strategy. It actually makes you seem rather naive.

Most MMOs actually are free nowadays. Get with the times, please."
This isn’t one of them, move along.

“Screaming the loudest It’s easy for you to see something you don’t disagree with as ‘screaming’. Very typical.”

It’s pretty obvious with the vitriol you spewed in response to me , how exactly would you like me to see it?

If you don’t feel there is enough value or information about a preorder/purchase .. then .. don’t preorder/purchase it? I know .. it’s mind blowing.The entitlement follows those who think they should be given something for being a veteran or gasp because they made to many characters, if that doesn’t apply to you then kindly move along and stop arguing the semantics of my word usage.

Please also refrain from using ad hominem’s it’s rather silly.

Blackworm.2167:

Smitten.3076:

Some GW2 players are the most entitled I’ve seen in the industry, not because they want everything given to them … but because they honestly think they are being rational about this.

Oh yes, because god forbid anyone criticizes the business practices of a company.
It’s people like you responsible for the rapidly dropping standards of the gaming industry. You brown-nosers would eat feces if they were spoon-fed by Anet.
Personally, I expected better from them.
And you honestly think that’s rational behavior. It goes both ways, pal.
To everyone else: Stay cynical, for the good of the industry.

Misplaced anger … totally misplaced, but by all means paint whatever picture you like. Charging standard prices for expansions, certainly the first isn’t exactly a new or odd mmo business practice. Most mmo’s actually don’t give you the base game free with the first expac, they wait until the second to bundle it. I’ll give you that Anet should have dropped an expac a year ago.

What’s absurd is the mentality from those of you screaming the loudest that Anet’s price is bad because new players get the base game or even worse that you don’t know if the expac has enough content. Absolutely absurd … stay mad, don’t buy the expac.

Some of you folks … such entitlement.

P.S – If you want to push for transparency on what the Expac actually offers content wise, I’m completely in your corner .. but in the vast amount of kitten going on over this I’ve seen three(3) people actually asking that question without throwing a tantrum.

Some GW2 players are the most entitled I’ve seen in the industry, not because they want everything given to them … but because they honestly think they are being rational about this.

WvW hasn’t seen a population decline eh? I call Bull , with the new orb buffs, transfers, match imbalances and horrid balance within the current meta ; WvW is stale and population in our match up has taken a nose dive. I’ve always hated the anecdotal evidence of " my guilds not logging in anymore" but there are far to many guilds which have pushed threw ruts before which are now taking a break.

I understand WvW is an ever changing subject, from the Developers and the Players, but clearly this aspect of the game isn’t being given the time and effort it deserves. At this point I’m not sure what direction Anet should take , clearly what they are doing isn’t working. I’d start by devoting more resources to WvW , it could be the lifeblood of the game.

P.S – As soon as another game releases to challenge the WvW esque market, the current community is going to desert, now is the time to establish a loyal base … next year will be to late.

I had a decent response to this thread but I’ll sum it up, Rewarding players for WvW with items has and will always be a recipe for failure. You need only look at Warhammer for all the evidence you need on this. Experience is fine , items are not. Go PvE for your items.

How are people defending this? I don’t even understand the mental hurdles necessary to insinuate that because something has counters ( Pre-Knowledge the Ac’s are being used in this way, Ample CC removal, Utility skills, and complete control of their force ) that it’s balanced. I’m going to chalk it up to some people are simply trolling, I don’t want to lose any more faith in gamers.

Dr Acula.3496:

Smitten.3076:

It’s fairly simply, confusion is out of hand. No one wants it useless, just more balanced. There needs to be a trade-off if a cleanse isn’t readily available. in your build or on cooldown. You can take an action , but it’s going to cost you … currently the cost is disproportionate. 5k damage being on the extreme side, but more generally 3k for any action besides inaction. ( when cleanses are on cooldown or not available )

It’s easy , either Anet nerfs it or Confusion bombers become as prevalent as D/D Ele’s, imagine that for awhile … the only viable small man teams consisting of : D/D Ele’s, Thieves, Confusion Bombers and the token tank. How wonderfully diverse the playing field is. ( obvious generalization is obvious )

P.S : Confusion bomb builds are cheese.

Try not to sound quite so bitter, and having condi removal on CD is part of the game… just like having abilities that provide confusion on CD….

That whole post essentially looks like this, “I died to confusion, and rather than learn to work around the fact that confusion exists in the game and will be applied to me at one point or another, it should be nerfed.”

Also, confusion builds aren’t new, D/D Ele’s aren’t new, and Thieves and the things they do aren’t new to this game. So why aren’t we seeing these groups running around everywhere composed of what I am deciding to call, “The Three Amigos” right now?

And …

Your whole post reads as " I’m a bad player, therefore I must hold onto my cheese build rather than actually learn to play a balanced build "

See what I did there?

In answer to your second question : Fotm , as we saw the rise of the D/D Ele .. prepare yourselves.

It’s fairly simply, confusion is out of hand. No one wants it useless, just more balanced. There needs to be a trade-off if a cleanse isn’t readily available. in your build or on cooldown. You can take an action , but it’s going to cost you … currently the cost is disproportionate. 5k damage being on the extreme side, but more generally 3k for any action besides inaction. ( when cleanses are on cooldown or not available ) To all of you zergies claiming : Just stop for awhile, have you ever actually been in a skilled WvW fight? Stopping isn’t the counter to confusion, it’s an added effect from confusion which can be more damaging than the -damage- portion of the condition.

It’s easy , either Anet nerfs it or Confusion bombers become as prevalent as D/D Ele’s, imagine that for awhile … the only viable small man teams consisting of : D/D Ele’s, Thieves, Confusion Bombers and the token tank. How wonderfully diverse the playing field is. ( obvious generalization is obvious )

P.S : Confusion bomb builds are cheese.

Dhampyr.2104:

Smitten.3076:

It’s like everything else that’s out of whack with this, and every game with pvp ( ever ) ; there are the logical few who understand when somethings to strong. ( Even on their own class ) I’m not sure why anyone feels a condition which limits actions taken , should hit for 3-5k compared to every other condition out there. It’s already a dual purpose condition in that if forces a cleanse or inaction otherwise : Damage ( and lots of it when built). Compared to every other condition out there? Seems pretty cut and dry to me, and heck I have access to the cheese confusion spec.

Every other condition’s ticks are guaranteed to happen unless cleansed. ONLY with confusion does a target have more options. Condition removal down? Just quit spamming buttons and take zero dmg. Give me another burn so I can kill good players as well as the bad ones (something that is hard to do with confusion), and I’ll gladly quit arguing.

If you think taking no action is an “option” in a WvW fight, then there’s really no point in me discussing anything with you.

EnRohbi.2187:

Smitten.3076:

It’s like everything else that’s out of whack with this, and every game with pvp ( ever ) ; there are the logical few who understand when somethings to strong. ( Even on their own class ) I’m not sure why anyone feels a condition which limits actions taken , should hit for 3-5k compared to every other condition out there. It’s already a dual purpose condition in that if forces a cleanse or inaction otherwise : Damage ( and lots of it when built). Compared to every other condition out there? Seems pretty cut and dry to me, and heck I have access to the cheese confusion spec.

So what?
You want to nerf confusion damage and make it so the condition means nothing?

If it doesn’t do so much damage that you have to take action to remove it, it would be completely pointless to apply it. The point of the condition is to do enough damage that the person has to react. Not so that you have confusion on you but just keep mashing your skill buttons and don’t die.

It’s a punishment condition, not a dot condition.

The reason a condition that limits action taken should do 3-5,000 damage is because the damage is HOW it limits action taken. If you lower that, you remove the purpose of using confusion. Which I can tell you, is nearly worthless in sPvP except, like in wvw, when used against bad players. And even then, they have to REALLY not be paying attention before it actually does anything to them.

I’m going to use you as an example, sorry in advance, it’s not personal.

WHY do you people who immediately jump on the “don’t nerf me bro” bandwagon always instantly assume calls for nerf imply we want the -whatever- made useless? Why is this a staple of every bloody argument in response? No one ever stated they wanted it useless, we stated it needs to be nerfed. There is a world of difference between the two implications, confusion needs to be brought in line with current WvW balance. It’s to strong of a force multiplier, it’s to strong of a condition. You can attempt to justify it all you like, but you’re wrong and you know it.

Confusion :
-Force Cleanse
or
-Force Inactivity
otherwise
-Damage ( Sometimes in excess of 3-5k)

Compare that to every other condition in the game; confusion wins in damage and utility. The issue with Confusion is it absolutely requires the player affected to deal with it first, before escaping, healing, dodging, attacking, or retreating he -must- deal with confusion first. When confusion was hitting for 1k damage this was still the case, you still had to handle confusion … but there was a middle ground, you could pay the tax and perform another action. It was still costly, it just wasn’t crushing as it is now.

I’m still of the mind that confusion damage was inadvertently buffed and will be nerfed with an “oops we didn’t mean to do that, you guys are silly if you think that was balanced” message.

It’s like everything else that’s out of whack with this, and every game with pvp ( ever ) ; there are the logical few who understand when somethings to strong. ( Even on their own class ) I’m not sure why anyone feels a condition which limits actions taken , should hit for 3-5k compared to every other condition out there. It’s already a dual purpose condition in that if forces a cleanse or inaction otherwise : Damage ( and lots of it when built). Compared to every other condition out there? Seems pretty cut and dry to me, and heck I have access to the cheese confusion spec.

I’ve always said Confusion was sleeper OP, it seems people have finally caught on ( some balance changes inadvertently buffed it ). Confusion is currently to strong, as has been stated before in coordinated groups its a huge force multiplier. It’s not simply Mezmers that are the issue, Engineers as well.

So signed … ANet needs to nerf confusion damage, there’s no reason a condition that punishes you for action should do the damage it does, nor do I think it’s intended.

Why are people suggesting the only change to Culling was the render models?

" WvW & PvE: Our culling system has been updated to use affinity culling, which favors allowing players to see important enemies regardless of the local player population density. "

Here is the thread that explains the Affinity system.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/January-WvW-culling-loading-changes/first

The DR issue is new to me, having just recently started hard farming. I noticed on my first day in Cursed Shore I was able to farm for several hours before I felt my loot impacted. The subsequent days I can only really farm for 30 minutes to an hour before the drops dry up. Even then I have yet to have a good day like my first, it seems the more time I spend in Orr farming the worse the loot gets. So I’m not sure if this is just the way the system is intended to work , or if there’s something at play behind the scenes. In either case it is pretty frustrating to have a stop-gap placed on my farming yields, its not something I’m used to and I find the " It’s to stop botting " a poor excuse for impacting players as directly as this system seems to.

30-50 a Day, but I farm and craft then salvage for Ecto’s as well as getting the odd Rare.

It’s not simply the AoE fields, there seems to be a bug when entered the shade form you get downed instantly. No damage in combat log, no visuals, just down.

Melandru was a nightmare but we downed it.

Not worth the effort though, literally 30-40 minute fight for masterworks, as always.

I hate rng so much =/

I bet the Triforge recipe requires 250 Mystic Coins, think I’ll start investing now.

Word on the grapevine is precursors are going to get an increase in drop rate this patch.

Enjoyable video’s , well done.
My only complaint … you are abusing the heck out of culling via stealth’s. Other than that, well done indeed.

Impressive aura sharing and blast finisher’s in general as well.

Perfect that is absolutely all I want, to know that the scammers aren’t simply getting away with it and Anet is indeed going after them. If I can provide anything else to assist in the ticket please let me know.

I’m getting you the ticket numbers now.
[Incident: 130120-001941]?

Quote : " We certainly understand your frustration with this issue. However I’m afraid that we are unable to assist with such matters or take actions in regards to them. We do not support such transactions taking place between players, so they are all made at your own risk. "

I can dig up enough evidence to handle at least this one scammer , if you have somewhere I can send the multiple links and SS’s if necessary they should be more than ample evidence to this players nature.

For clarification : I don’t want anything returned or plucked, I want the scamming stomped, that’s all.

Due to multiple conflicting statements made in regards to if Arena Net will or will not stomp the scamming going on, I’ve the necessity to ask the question.

What is Arena Net’s official stance on Scammers?

Keep in mind before you answer the following : Support staff adamantly state they won’t do anything about it. Certain Staff members here have stated that they DO when sufficient evidence is provided. There is a report option for scamming, and it’s against the code of conduct. The last thread with general discussion on this topic was locked, I assume because it shone a light on the apathy of ArenaNet’s support staff to handle it as the discussion was civil.

For a company that has such a wonderful track record, this has to be the most disappointed with support I’ve been in any modern mmo.

Use the TP , its the end users fault. All things which are obvious, but not the point of the thread. There are several reasons why someone would avoid the TP no reason to detail them here. That said the issue is that scammers are going unchecked, regardless of reason.

I’ll preface this by stating that being scammed is obviously the end users fault, whatever the excuse maybe : To trusting, stupid, or greedy. Regardless of the poor judgement the scams victim is never the less a victim.

Currently Arena Net will do nothing about scams. Though they have a report function dedicated to it, though the customer is directed to send in a support ticket the end response is " We aren’t going to do anything". I understand the inability to return goods, of whatever value, that’s standard fair in the mmo field. What is completely unacceptable though is the inability to stomp the behavior. The did it in GW1 you say? Well they won’t do it here, an issue which has more direct customer impact than hacking, exploiting, is completely unsupported. The amount of evidence sent in won’t swing Anet to action, they simply won’t do a thing about it. That some players have been scamming for months, with several collections of evidence and reports littered threw tickets and various gaming forums means nothing. Arena Net will not provide support on this issue, a standard in the industry. I wasn’t aware this was Eve Online where scamming is encouraged, because make no mistake the lack of action from Arena Net IS encouraging scammers.

It was obvious five minutes into the reset we were completely outmatched and as such decided to have fun?

eldavo.6054:

Smitten.3076:

Fight clubs don’t demonstrate skill in WvW , they demonstrate skill at dueling or 5v5. There’s a big difference in roaming groups like AD who don’t really duel and those who do.(Not implying anything negative) We don’t run duelist builds as a norm, we tend to pick the builds that offer the best group support which makes us weak in a duel.

Fight Club is also about learning. For example last week a few of our guardians tried different build tweaks and weapons vs dagger/dagger elementalists. We lost all matches except one against them but we learned a lot.

Mostly Fight Club is about fun. Lots of funny things always seem to happen, and it never gets old being able to hang out and have a laugh with people who you’ve been battling over the entire week.

I absolutely agree, I’m not against Fight Club at all. I was simply defaulting to my typical counter of “duels aren’t wvw” due to a typical response here (warranted though it was) of “come to FC and we’ll show you skill”.
I had the misfortune of trading insults with a ranger a few days ago, who summarily destroyed me in a duel so I particularly feel the difference between duelist builds and w3 builds.

( Obligatory – No offense intended to anyone comment)

Fight clubs don’t demonstrate skill in WvW , they demonstrate skill at dueling or 5v5. There’s a big difference in roaming groups like AD who don’t really duel and those who do.(Not implying anything negative) We don’t run duelist builds as a norm, we tend to pick the builds that offer the best group support which makes us weak in a duel.

Shouldn’t be possible, there were plenty of opportunities for you two to get caught in the act. Due to the current system these types of shenanigans happen though. CnD shouldn’t fire on objects either =/

I’m waiting for the obvious, Two thieves abuse culling to ninja a keep, news at 11 meme though.

Where do I need to send in all the screenshots and related information to have the scammer punished and my gold returned?

StormWolf.7645:

Smitten.3076:

I actually enjoy this match up more than the Mag one. Mag’s zerg was organized , we only were able to bust maybe one group before the mass slammed into us.

Mag’s also took 2 weeks to get through this Tier. We won’t.

Note: I will say it over and over again until people understand…you aren’t going to see any of the “Quality” Guilds until there’s a serious threat(With the “Die-hard WVW Guilds” being the exception…didn’t think it needed to be said, but just in case. -.-). We won every BL -while- there were Queues on at least our side and yours. In EB it was not “Complete Domination”, but we -WERE- ahead…Now if either EBay or DR want to claim they didn’t have Queues on their own BL or EB on reset day, they can make any claims they want. The Point? If we lack skill, both of your servers are even more lacking in skill. Am I saying we’re better than you?…No. Personally I think the difference is small enough not to be noticable. But if you’re going to continuously point at the PUGs and newer Commanders and say “This shows you have no skill!”…Well…then what’s that say about you guys?

Meh, it really doesn’t matter to me, I enjoy smashing zergs regardless of how important it is to them. I’m not sure why the quality guilds aren’t out playing, like everyone else, as if they are some sort of special team called in only when the normal zergs can’t cut it.
/shrug — It’s all fun.

I’ve never been hit for 9k on my Guardian either, I have been gibbed pretty quickly with successive 4k hits though. Why do you think the Guardian is the most OP class there is by the way?

I actually enjoy this match up more than the Mag one. Mag’s zerg was organized , we only were able to bust maybe one group before the mass slammed into us.

Most of you folks are just being silly, there is absolutely no reason a Guardian focused on defensive stats should ever take a 9k hit. I don’t care what the player sacrificed for that damage. Certainly not in conjunction with the thief class who already slides on survivability due to stealth. There seems to be an issue with defensive stats scaling against crit, perhaps it’s intended but it certainly isn’t mitigating the damage that prioritizing those stats should. We’ll see what Anet does to address this in the next balance passes.

covenn.7165:

blurps.2340:

Mobility and escape options on Daggerx2 Eles need to be looked at and probably require a severe nerf ( same goes for Thief of course ). That’s an entirely different issue from what we’re discussing here though.

Mobility is not a reason for a nerf. The reason why many ele’s go d/d and run bunker is due to the fact that it is the only viable build. If you don’t run that as an ele, you are free points to anyone attacking you. Even so, while those ele’s may be annoying to kill, they do garbage damage compared to everyone else. If they switch to a more damage oriented build you can typically just 3 shot them.

Wrong,
Staff and S/D are both viable on the Ele.

Most of a Guardians ability to heal, abilities or otherwise, have been nerfed completely into the ground. Stacking HP and traiting for heals/symbol spreads is pretty much a subpar build at this point. In WvW most Guardians have taken to running AH equivalent builds, minor changes in some builds and preferences but the viability doesn’t exist as it used to. Opening up more defensive options via stats on the Guardian and other classes to be in line with base pools on other classes might allow more build options. Consecrations and mediation are just whats left of what the Guardian was, not that it’s a weak profession at all. There’s just simply no justification for an 8k health disparity, that’s simply bland balance.

REALLY? It’s 7AM here, I’m tired and drowning myself in Coffee…. perhaps I’ll get a precursor today on something other than my useless thief.

You guys are up early, then again so am I. Why are we all up so early?

I want Sol’s Ranger spec please.