Guild Wars 2

Lol EU wvw primetime t1, “desert killed wvw, empty maps hurr durr” lol you guys, this gamemode is to daed its funny and we got the so good alpine map, daed geam

http://imgur.com/7Uo3bYd

EU wvw prime t1, “desert killed wvw, empty maps hurr durr hurr” yeah beaquse this looks so alive lol, daed geam.

http://imgur.com/7Uo3bYd

Puck.9612:

TallBarr.2184:

Swagger.1459:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The results turned out more mixed than we think will be good for the future health of the game. For that reason we are going to run a “Remove Desert Borderlands?” poll first and then run a variation of this poll again. The updated poll will be reworded for clarification due to large amounts of feedback that many of the ‘No’ votes were cast with a misunderstanding of what they meant.

How about we have a poll to “rework or remove dbl” instead?

What rework would u possibly want? they made it easier to navigate beaquse apparently peep have alzheimers who play wvw and forget where to run. They removed the meta event, yes it caused major lag for all parties. Yes they could make north towers position more strategic but why would that be a problem, the vocal cry baby minority only likes to fight on open fields with no structures so why do they care.

Always fun when you pop your head out of eotm every few weeks to spew random insults that highlight your lack of understanding.

You must mistake me for someone else, I havent played eotm for 1½ years. Its a nice map tho, argueably better then desert but way better better then stale depressing alpine.

Swagger.1459:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The results turned out more mixed than we think will be good for the future health of the game. For that reason we are going to run a “Remove Desert Borderlands?” poll first and then run a variation of this poll again. The updated poll will be reworded for clarification due to large amounts of feedback that many of the ‘No’ votes were cast with a misunderstanding of what they meant.

How about we have a poll to “rework or remove dbl” instead?

What rework would u possibly want? they made it easier to navigate beaquse apparently peep have alzheimers who play wvw and forget where to run. They removed the meta event, yes it caused major lag for all parties. Yes they could make north towers position more strategic but why would that be a problem, the vocal cry baby minority only likes to fight on open fields with no structures so why do they care.

Loosmaster.8263:

X T D.6458:

TallBarr.2184:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The results turned out more mixed than we think will be good for the future health of the game. For that reason we are going to run a “Remove Desert Borderlands?” poll first and then run a variation of this poll again. The updated poll will be reworded for clarification due to large amounts of feedback that many of the ‘No’ votes were cast with a misunderstanding of what they meant.

Remove work on new legendaries (advertised in expansion)

Remove new borderland (advertised in the expasnion)

Anet are u kittening kidding me, what did I pay for? holy kitten you guys gotta be kidding me.

Nobody paid for empty maps either.

You got that map whether you bought HoT or not.

They released it with the hot release.

TwistedFate.8705:

TallBarr.2184:

TwistedFate.8705:

TallBarr.2184:

TwistedFate.8705:

TallBarr.2184:

TwistedFate.8705:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Personally, I voted ‘Yes’ to this, as did the rest of my team. So we are also disappointed with the result. But that was an accepted risk when we decided to poll the community about WvW development rather than just following our own vision.

I think if you are going to have a vote the highest result should be in favor. As of now we do not have the population for the size of the desert maps. Even some nights alpine maps are empty so what chance does desert have? If you guys see a huge decline in wvw population when the desert maps come back again will this mean anything like it did last time? You guys have even said your selves that the wvw population has increased since the return of the alpine maps. There are too many people saying bring back desert maps just because they look pretty. That has nothing to do with wvw

It is like me going to vote for a new prime minster and the current one says unless 75% favor the new PM I will retain the power. What is the point in voting? Also you basically have 70% voting yes how does that not mean anything at all? 70% vs 30% is a huge gap thats a whopping 40% difference and that is 40% of potential player base that could pack up and leave again if the whole 70% don’t.

I want desert beaquse they dont have stale kitten layout like depressing kitten alpine maps.

stale layout? No one cares how the maps look people just want a map that works with people on there to fight. I mean yea dbl looks cool but meh the map doesn’t work… Screw looks that is completely irrelevant to wvw. If you want looks go pve.

Thats how u look for girls on the pub (nvm u dont go to the pub) who cares what they look like you just gonna sleep with them aye ( nvm you never slept with a girl), ofc looks matters wtf are you on. You must be fun at parties (nvm you dont go to parties, you whine at forums) whats so interesting in alpine that desert doesnt have? you have bay 80% water, swim like a little mermaid girl. But yeah you are so terrible you cant fight in a structure but needs to pirateship 1 1 1 1 til the other team retreats. Learn to adapt pve scrub.

What are you talking about? how is any of that relevant to a video game? I would rather something that people actually play then something that looks cool. And im a roamer all I care about is having people to fight which dbl rarely had. Also dont throw personal high school bull crap attacks at me. In relation to your stupid comment. I could say the same thing… you could go to a party “that looks cool” but has terrible music or you could go to a party that looks like a dive but has people there and good music lol… Looks < population.

“And im a roamer”
….

You have EB and Obsidian, go ahead.

EB is a blob fest during the 2 hours of na prime and then for the rest of the day it is just standing around and dueling so much fun. Obsidian sanction is not a place for roaming. Do you know what roaming is?

I would assume you are roaming as in fighting other peep, preferably 1 v 1 or 2 v 2, cut off blobs tail, flip camps and whatnot. If so desert is perfect for you, easier to flip structures, more structures to fight over. Yes, fighting people in OS works perfectly fine.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The results turned out more mixed than we think will be good for the future health of the game. For that reason we are going to run a “Remove Desert Borderlands?” poll first and then run a variation of this poll again. The updated poll will be reworded for clarification due to large amounts of feedback that many of the ‘No’ votes were cast with a misunderstanding of what they meant.

Remove work on new legendaries (advertised in expansion)

Remove new borderland (advertised in the expasnion)

Anet are u kittening kidding me, what did I pay for? holy kitten you guys gotta be kidding me.

TwistedFate.8705:

TallBarr.2184:

TwistedFate.8705:

TallBarr.2184:

TwistedFate.8705:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Personally, I voted ‘Yes’ to this, as did the rest of my team. So we are also disappointed with the result. But that was an accepted risk when we decided to poll the community about WvW development rather than just following our own vision.

I think if you are going to have a vote the highest result should be in favor. As of now we do not have the population for the size of the desert maps. Even some nights alpine maps are empty so what chance does desert have? If you guys see a huge decline in wvw population when the desert maps come back again will this mean anything like it did last time? You guys have even said your selves that the wvw population has increased since the return of the alpine maps. There are too many people saying bring back desert maps just because they look pretty. That has nothing to do with wvw

It is like me going to vote for a new prime minster and the current one says unless 75% favor the new PM I will retain the power. What is the point in voting? Also you basically have 70% voting yes how does that not mean anything at all? 70% vs 30% is a huge gap thats a whopping 40% difference and that is 40% of potential player base that could pack up and leave again if the whole 70% don’t.

I want desert beaquse they dont have stale kitten layout like depressing kitten alpine maps.

stale layout? No one cares how the maps look people just want a map that works with people on there to fight. I mean yea dbl looks cool but meh the map doesn’t work… Screw looks that is completely irrelevant to wvw. If you want looks go pve.

Thats how u look for girls on the pub (nvm u dont go to the pub) who cares what they look like you just gonna sleep with them aye ( nvm you never slept with a girl), ofc looks matters wtf are you on. You must be fun at parties (nvm you dont go to parties, you whine at forums) whats so interesting in alpine that desert doesnt have? you have bay 80% water, swim like a little mermaid girl. But yeah you are so terrible you cant fight in a structure but needs to pirateship 1 1 1 1 til the other team retreats. Learn to adapt pve scrub.

What are you talking about? how is any of that relevant to a video game? I would rather something that people actually play then something that looks cool. And im a roamer all I care about is having people to fight which dbl rarely had. Also dont throw personal high school bull crap attacks at me. In relation to your stupid comment. I could say the same thing… you could go to a party “that looks cool” but has terrible music or you could go to a party that looks like a dive but has people there and good music lol… Looks < population.

“And im a roamer”
….

You have EB and Obsidian, go ahead.

“childish insulting on an online forum.”

It was an example how you would rather fight on a what, 6 year old stale kitten depressing borderland rather then a new fresh borderland people been asking for, yes wvw was dead back in the days beaquse peep hated alpine, I would assume they quit by now. Apparently you are offended so I would assume I hit a nail.

You crybabies ask for new wvw content and when we do get new kitten you all cry like small kittenters. Learn to adapt or go do dungeon tours.

Akkeros.1675:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Personally, I voted ‘Yes’ to this, as did the rest of my team. So we are also disappointed with the result. But that was an accepted risk when we decided to poll the community about WvW development rather than just following our own vision.

Don’t shoot yourselves in the foot by keeping dbl around for 3 months at a time. Your “poll” (if you want to call it that) clearly showed the majority picked a greater amount of alpine v desert.
I should hope the other poll to remove dbl completely eliminates this buffoonery.

The poll shows a majority of playerbase wants a mixture of them 2, with 2 alpine and 1 desert. Stop pulling kitten out of your kitten will ya.

TwistedFate.8705:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Personally, I voted ‘Yes’ to this, as did the rest of my team. So we are also disappointed with the result. But that was an accepted risk when we decided to poll the community about WvW development rather than just following our own vision.

I think if you are going to have a vote the highest result should be in favor. As of now we do not have the population for the size of the desert maps. Even some nights alpine maps are empty so what chance does desert have? If you guys see a huge decline in wvw population when the desert maps come back again will this mean anything like it did last time? You guys have even said your selves that the wvw population has increased since the return of the alpine maps. There are too many people saying bring back desert maps just because they look pretty. That has nothing to do with wvw

It is like me going to vote for a new prime minster and the current one says unless 75% favor the new PM I will retain the power. What is the point in voting? Also you basically have 70% voting yes how does that not mean anything at all? 70% vs 30% is a huge gap thats a whopping 40% difference and that is 40% of potential player base that could pack up and leave again if the whole 70% don’t.

I want desert beaquse they dont have stale kitten layout like depressing kitten alpine maps.

Aeolus.3615:

Desert map needs changes before it comes back.

Just like Alpine needed changes right? alpine is still kitten tho, desert was and is way better then alpine ever will.

desert is superior to alpine, numbers show alpine was the cause of dead wvw before hot and with hot and desert we see a big increase in activity in wvw again. Then when they removed desert the numbers started to plummet again and wvw is now dead.

Please add the option: “remove alpine entirely and replace with superior desert”

that would win the poll with huge marginal so wouldnt even need a poll, make it happen.

If you wanan go deeper we can remove everything that identify your char, your guild, rank, char icon, make custom chars for everyone, happy days, no sniping. Also make all skins custom.

Why do I have to sit in this depressing kitten lobby for 20 min waiting for my non existent matchup to pop. Atleast let me do something else in the meanwhile, wvw, open world pve shenanigan. I understand why you didnt want us to miss queues when we didnt have dishonor, but now we do. So for the love of jesus let us queue outside of this awful lobby.
Let us play the godkitten game.

Sincerely, everyone playing pvp.

fishball.7204:

I was in q for 20 minutes before i cancelled (T7 diamond) just now, it’s pretty much unplayable rip.

Unranked is a joke too, I don’t wanna deal with skyhammer and even worse matchmaking.

People still cry about skyhammer?

No, my enemies need to see my diamond rank

1. yes
2. yes
3. never, just remove alpine and bring back desert
4.yes
5.yes
6. remove alpine and replace with desert
7.yes

Darknicrofia.2604:

yes, the meta is a lot healthier than season 2 due to removal of merc amulet and toning down condi mes/rev and necro chill damage as well as scrapper sustain.

the only thing that’s needed now is to remove some of these rampant passive cc/anti cc traits/runes, projectile hate and buff core guardian traits weapons a bit and the game will be in the best place its been in years, maybe ever.

Tone down necro, rev and mesmer and replace them with warrior, happy days

Supernatural Dawn.3194:

gennyt.3428:

Supernatural Dawn.3194:

I think it is odd that people look for fights in WvW and those who don’t are told to go to sPvP or PVE. I’m interested in capturing objectives. If I can split my guild and hit two objectives and come out with one then that is a success. I think conquering the map is much more satisfying than some lagfest war. You prepare for war but with good tactics, should come the win.

I liked DBL the forts were tough to crack but the map was huge so feinting attacks was more effective in confusing the enemy.

You could have saved yourself the effort and just said that you like to PvD.

Not at all. I love a good fight if it last more than a few minutes. That usually doesn’t happen in blobs and DBL encourages splits and better fights in my opinion.

I agree, alpine is nothing but open field, nothign inetretsing whatsoever

Jimmy.1476:

Yes, http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Rise!%22

Ah, shouldve checked the wiki first, thank you

trunks.5249:

TallBarr.2184:

^title , exp buffs increase reward track gain, why cant I use the candy corn gobbler in hotm, makes no sense.

i havent used candy corn in a long time. so i do not remember if it gives you any other buff but any buff that also helps out in power,toughness,vitality,condi,or heal can not be used in pvp

Only xp and mf buff works in pvp, even if u go into pvp with toher buff they clearly say they wont work.

^title , exp buffs increase reward track gain, why cant I use the candy corn gobbler in hotm, makes no sense.

Does the necromatic corruption effect the rise minions?

Swamurabi.7890:

I never saw a three way fight in the open in DBL. I saw a couple in the keeps. Most of the rest of the time it was small scale fights or roaming.

After the switch to ABL, got in a three way fight by SWC. It lasted for half the raid. That one fight was more exciting then all the months in DBL.

DBL towers are useless, but the worst tower in WvW goes to SET in alpine.

Threeway fights, you mean those where none can use skills right? yeah so interetsing, much skill, wow

atticus.5284:

Knob.6835:

The biggest thing I liked about the dbls was that everyone hated them. I could spend hours patrolling the south loaded with 1v1s and small team fights. There was more to cap as a roamer & you could cap a camp with out 10 people coming to kill you. Also the terrain was interesting and kept you on your toes instead of just putting on auto run. I think the rotation will be a good thing.

Isn’t that more PvP/PvE than WvW?

Quality logic there mate, keep it up. You will succeed in life.

Lahmia.2193:

They nerfed it because it was a kittenty idea to begin with. It was completely unreliable because it was constantly being overridden when anyone else applied chill (which was all too common). I can only think you’re talking from a pvp perspective. From a pve perspective, it is the best thing ever.

Yeah this is from a pvp perspective, they clearly need to balance each gamemode individually.

If so that is stupid, I personally feel like im getting less lootbags after slaughtering plebs

why did you remove the chill damage and give us some kittenty bleed dmg instead. Necro been kitten since the start and when we finally got some dps you render us useless, way to go.

And this is why we cant have nice things.

Aezyr.5304:

TallBarr.2184:

Aezyr.5304:

- Mixed Borderlands – no thank you. DBL needs further tweaks (position of towers, shrine buffs, lords).

- World Linking Schedule – 3 month is too long. Linked servers need to be locked at least half into the scheduled time.

- Deployable Mortars – no thank you.

- Deployable Cannos – no thank you.

- Repair Hammer – no thank you.

Position of lords and shrines?

But you are fine with invurnerable trebs pressuring north towers in alpine from keep making them irrelevant?

Locked worlds less than 3 months “looks at signature” Piken oh nvm.

You think it is healthy that via linking we have now a even more cheap way to stack on a specific server? The bandwagoners we got a cupple month ago are now on Vabbi and Deso (your server I assume) got influx from SFR too (again via Vabbi). This bandwagon train will choo choo again when the links getting shuffled.

Lords: Don’t have a problem with the position of those lords but their “special” abilities. We have realy good fights in keeps/garri now again but on DBL the attacking team is on a disadvantage.

Towers: That goes both ways. You can preassure garrision from those towers too. If you were talking about trebs in invulnerable positions in citadel then I agree those need to get removed. It’s imho an exploit.

Your sig: EotM much?

People always kitten about stacking servers when they are on the other side of the coin. Would you be kittening if u were stacked and linked and deso werent? I doubt so.

You do realise there are administrive work for servers to organise right? Deso was outnumbered before the linking, people got back and some transfered to vabbi. But at that time deso needed linkign yes, Piken and SFR were the biggets bandwagon servers and were steamrollign veerything, Deso was at a 7th place. Yes, they shouldve closed Vabbi or done something to prevent people from transferring there so cheap, but they didnt.

If people didnt transfer vabbi Piken and SFR would still be steamrolling.

Donno, I like myself some challenge and the annoying lords are, 1111 a lord is not very fun. Atleast the dbl lords got annoying cc fields and whatnot.

People used to pressure keep from towers yes, but since Alpine I havent participated in a single “treb from tower pressuring garri” moment but that doesnt mean people dont do it, But I think the arguement is pretty kitten, people just use catapults at wall anyway. People seem to focus on dbl north towers placement but dont kitten about the trebs at spawn.

I had a very pleasant time in eotm in the good ol days. That map outlay is much more better than alpine and argueably desert aswell, but dbl is still bae.

Aezyr.5304:

- Mixed Borderlands – no thank you. DBL needs further tweaks (position of towers, shrine buffs, lords).

- World Linking Schedule – 3 month is too long. Linked servers need to be locked at least half into the scheduled time.

- Deployable Mortars – no thank you.

- Deployable Cannos – no thank you.

- Repair Hammer – no thank you.

Position of lords and shrines?

But you are fine with invurnerable trebs pressuring north towers in alpine from keep making them irrelevant?

Locked worlds less than 3 months “looks at signature” Piken oh nvm.

Agree with you, dbl was superior and a fresh start for wvw, now we back to these plain boring depressing alpine maps that we played for 3 years

Shonex.5327:

• Mixed Borderlands – No please, just keep Alpine and delete Desert Borderlands, alternative: Keep same layout of Alpine and just “recolor it” into Desert (or whatever theme, tropical would be my fav)

• World Linking Schedule – 3 Months sounds good (as it is)

• Deployable Mortars – I don’t think this should be a thing, we’ll see a lot more siege wars with this and that isn’t something I’d do
• Deployable Cannons – Same as above

• Repair Hammer – If it doesn’t involve spending golds and making repair slower, then sure, if we need to spend golds and repairs are slower then no

• WvW Priorities – Priority should be to stop separating HoT and Non-HoT people, the latest thing that was added under WvW skills (auto-loot) is super unfair towards people who played from beginning that don’t have HoT yet, another thing that someone else said that I would agree with is: “Make all specializations available to everyone in WvW”

“(auto-loot) is super unfair towards people who played from beginning that don’t have HoT yet”

Are you kidding me? no, thats not gonna happen, go buy hot.

“Make all specializations available to everyone in WvW”

wtf?

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Hey guys, below is a list of upcoming polls you are likely to see, in roughly the order you are likely to see them.

• Mixed Borderlands – Do you want a mix of Alpine/Desert Borderlands maps?
• World Linking Schedule – How often should we relink worlds?
• Deployable Mortars – Do you want to be able to buy and deploy Mortars?
• Deployable Cannons – Do you want to be able to buy and deploy Cannons?
• Repair Hammer – Do you want to be able to spend supply to repair siege?

Special Mention

• WvW Priorities – What do you want the WvW team to prioritize next?
  • We’ll run this poll after completing major milestones with whatever feature last won the Prioritization vote. So in this case: Scoring Improvements.

Mixed borderlands – Yes I want mixed broderlands, dbl is superior to this depressing alpine.

World linking schedule – Not often, every 2- 3 months.

Deployable mortars – Yes, that sounds fun im all for fun

Deployable cannons – Yes, that sounds fun im all for fun

Repair – Yeah, that would help peep defending objectives

Priorities – Focus on bringin dbl back as soon as possible. Everything else can hold.

synergy.5809:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

On Why World Linking?

due to it better preserving the identity of all original worlds, and being more flexible than a more traditional World Merging solution.

What? you destroyed one servers identity and kept the other. If you’re gonna do that at least swap off the name every week or go down the server merging route and rename the resulting server so everyone has a new similar name.

Server identity lmfao

StinkyLord.7950:

TallBarr.2184:

Zenith.6403:

I voted no, because I think it’s unfair to give one server two times population size for coverage. Desolation & Vabbi are destroying tier I matchups with hundred rating point difference to #2 server.

Deso was outnumbered and dead before this linking, Piken and SFR was stacked beyond belief. Whats the problem? I know it suck going from plowing over your enemies to getting plowed over by the superior deso forces.

Deso was outnumbered but never needed the linking.

Desolation has gained back most of their lost wvw players that decided to come back because of the alpins and stab change.

Linking had nothing to do with it.

People came back for linking and reward tracks

Aezyr.5304:

World linking is probably fine but you should look at solutions about cheap (500 gems Vabbi) stacking of a T1 server. Maybe you should think about changing the link more often (for example 3 weeks instead of 3 month).

If the bandwagoners from sfr and other servers didnt move to vabbi and it was locked sfr and piken wouldve been roflstomping, The amount of vabbis and their skillevel isnt significant, the bandwagoners comign to vabbi are. If they wouldnt be on vabbi they would be on already full piken or sfr. Deso got nightcapping and we will see what skirmishes bring tot hat matter, the fights in t1 are still fairly equal.

Zenith.6403:

TallBarr.2184:

Deso was outnumbered and dead before this linking, Piken and SFR was stacked beyond belief. Whats the problem?

The problem is they get x2 times population cap.

If populations are like:
Piken 100 (max)
SFR 100 (max)
Deso 70
Vabbi 10

then combining Deso and Vabbi creates a situation where people stack the lower pop server and we get Deso+Vabbi 70+70=140, which dominates everything. If lack of population is problem why not just merge the servers under same cap?

The damage is already done, they shouldve locked the servers when they linked but you cant revert that now. People will always bandwagoon

BlackPot.4521:

Totally No.

WvW has been improved lately indeed, the good old borderlands came back, etc. but world linking is a bad idea.

My world had great matchups before, but since world linking the WvW is ruined for us, we got beaten day and night, we always have to fight with the outnumbered buff. I dont remember the last time i’ve captured Stonemist Castle.

SAY NO for the world linking for the sake of FAIR PLAY

People were outnumbered before the linking aswell, matchups are generally more balanced now then before, sorry for your loss but theres always been someone with the outnumbered buff and it happend to be you.

Robin Da Poor.6281:

I voted NO, i’m on YB, the way I see it, stacked servers just got stacked even more.
WvW probably improved due to re-introducing the old BL’s.
It’s not just YB that has the problem, i’m sure there are other servers, who come in WvW day in day out to just to see [outmanned] 24/7 on some maps and seeing daily blobs of up to 50 mindless press 1,1,1,1, heal, 1,1,1,1 and sometimes x2 50 man blobs on the same map.
As said in previous posts above this just makes players leave WvW, as why bother to put 6-8 hours helping keep things running when knowing other servers have probably twice the WvW population.

Arenanet needs to come up with some other way to balance the servers.

Alpine killed wvw, dbl was more solo play friendly and was better for all the special snowflakes who have a problem with the linking.

Zenith.6403:

I voted no, because I think it’s unfair to give one server two times population size for coverage. Desolation & Vabbi are destroying tier I matchups with hundred rating point difference to #2 server.

Deso was outnumbered and dead before this linking, Piken and SFR was stacked beyond belief. Whats the problem? I know it suck going from plowing over your enemies to getting plowed over by the superior deso forces.

lil devils x.6071:

TheGrimm.5624:

lil devils x.6071:

That only works if there is no score. Otherwise you create a situation of people getting to play what they consider a broken game mode all the time. AT least with rotation they get to play a whole game part of the time rather than part of a game the entire time. I will take the whole game if forced, but the truth is bringing back something so unliked at all is going to run people off again.

Based on all the other threads I think you are solo on this one, or at least based on people that post. I think a rotation will/is moving people away already. And based on your statements alone, when the rotation moves back to DBL we lose people. I already know people that are only queuing EBG while ABL is up, they were tired of those maps already. People new to the game were asking in server TS what was up with the map change and why the restrictions. So why not a mix so that there is variety for both sides. Don’t give me this limited game play, if that was a case they will be out of game during each quarter already. And not seeing a queue increase since the ABL was added in T3 or T2 but in fact a decrease for whatever reason. So if we had drawn in thousands, where are they? All in T1?

^scrolls back* This thread is full o people who do not want DBL back… Wonders how I am alone in thinking they do not want DBL back* lol

EBG was always queued even when we had Alpine the first time, that was nothing new. The difference is we ALSO have queues on the ABLs. HOWEVER, here is something I think you are missing. I want new maps, like most do. Most just do not want THOSE MAPS. Those maps in particular were designed poorly and players cannot even use their skills on much of the map due to the bad topography rendering some classes pretty unplayable in areas. I think you are not understanding that players have wanted new maps, they LOVE new stuff when it is good. Those just were not good.

People who think that players didn’t like the new maps because they didn’t want new stuff are terribly mistaken. Players just didn’t want BAD stuff. Instead of trying to fix a broken map to make it " playable" they need to design a map from the ground up with playable as the focus. If they focus on keeping players engaged in nonstop PvP combat (All players not just those who can actually use all their skills on the terrain) with easy to access direct routes terrain with only a few seconds between objectives and a reason to fight over the objectives it should be a good WvW map.

The problem that should be understood is that bringing back alpine was only supposed to be making the game playable at all WHILE THEY WAIT for Anet to actually make good maps they should have made in the first place. Players being bored with the maps is in no relation to actually wanting to play on the DBL’s, they have been wanting good maps for a while and were pretty kittened off to receive the Pve gimmicky DBL’s instead of a good map. YES, we have seen a Queue increase in T2 and T3 for ABLs. I have many fiends who have come back to the game just because they brought them back hoping this means Anet is finally listening. They happen to be playing in T2 and T3 and yes, on the Alpines. You need to check your numbers.

Just look through this thread, still looks like most do not want them back EVEN in the Bring DBL back thread. LOL

You think you are arguing for new vs the same, that is not even the argument. The argument is bad maps vs great maps, and players not willing to settle for bad maps. Many players want them to not use DBL at all and make better maps instead. People were excited to hear that we were getting great new maps and they are still waiting for that to happen. Anet has to make them first, because DBLs were the opposite of “great”.

IN ADDITION: YES limited game play. If the scouts refuse to scout them and the players refuse to go there to defend them, they should not be in play at all IF you want those players to play the game that is. You seem to be okay with telling them to go play another game instead because they don’t want to play what they see as a broken game mode if the DBls are present.

Maybe beaquse the people who use this forum and make their voice heard are kids who go to preschool and cant adapt to changes? You say DBL is broken, yet we have alpine with invurnerable trebs in spawn. Kids say the positioning of the dbl north towers got irrelevant strategic position, yet we have alpine where you can place trebs to pressure the northern keeps inside your spawn. Talk about broken map.

Bay- 80% water, underwater combat gg, disengage and swim away like a mermaid or salmon when you about to lose a fight, so gud ayelmao.

Ruins- the most useless structure in wvw that none gives a coke about, it just stands there, being the useless structure it is, when do fights pan out over the ruins? never. People cry about pve in wvw yet u dun kitten about this ruin event in alpine, they removed the event in dbl. None uses the northern or southern towers to pressure garri or keeps, they just there for karma.

alpine border is dead most of the time when there are no commanders or blob vs blob, just like dbl. Dbl was solo friendly, you could cap shrines and towers. Alpine is so bad in that manner, the structures that peep care about are so friendly to defend, hills, bay everything else is karma.

desert borderland superior to depressing borderland – 80% of the wvw community

remaining 20% are kids who cant adapt to changes and only whine

Drussthelegend.2630:

TallBarr.2184:

Sorry for your loss

Grats on running in full premades all the time unless you expect use to belive you solo’d, duo’d or trio’d to a 94% win rate.

I only soloq, all previous seasons and I intend to soloq this one aswell. But now I am on break to let the scrubs catch up, not gonna sit in 3 hour queues.

#soloq
#1hour queues

As long as people can queue up with friends and use ts to plow over soloq, no.

sorry for your loss

Sorry for your loss

insanemaniac.2456:

op is a grinder, as you can tell from his signature. nothing we say will sound logical to him because he wants to play, he wants to play now, and he wants to play a lot.

op, your hour long queues are a mark of prestige right now. you should be proud. you beat the game. come back in a month and it will unbeat itself in the meantime and you can grind some more.

Hit diamond yesterday, Ill take a break til the scrubs catch up, thank you
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