Guild Wars 2

Jericho.5940:

yesfourme.8906:

“I must be the unluckiest person on earth. I have run fractals over 230+ times and haven’t get a single ring drop.

May I suggest you that apart from running with the PTV set or Healing/Knight set of the armor, try to put some MF rune in it and have some MF food buf on?

It should at least give u one ring in every 10 daily chest….

For some class I think it’s viable with even more aggressive MF stats but it depend on your group. Bottom line is, you need some MF to boost up the process if you are after it.

Magic find doesn’t affect chests.

Level 30+ here, tentacles still not one shotting anyone. 300 fractals complete and level 30+ and I’ve never seen the skull straight up not appear. They can be occluded by various things (text box, some of the geometry and mobs) but I’ve never seen them not appear at all. Also, as someone else said, if a dead body is nearby, double click the shard to pick it up, F key will just keep trying to revive.

Ursan.7846:

fortytwo.3485:

Ursan.7846:

I really don’t want to sound patronizing but…..I think you should read my text/formulas more carefully.

I understand they’re separate events. That is why I am multiplying the drop chances.

Also I am not saying after you open 9 chests, you should have a 90% chance to get a ring in the 10th chest. You will have a 20% chance still to get a ring on your 10th chest. However, when you look at all 10 events overall, you HAD a 90% chance to get at least one ring.

I think you are interpreting the Multiplication rule incorrectly

http://www.mathgoodies.com/lessons/vol6/independent_events.html

So Chance of ring drop say is 20%. So my chances of getting 10 rings from 10 straight events is 0.2^10 = 10 in 1 Million. that is how it is used.

Yes, you are correct. That is the chance of getting 10 rings in 10 chests.

But what about the probability of getting AT LEAST ONE RING from the 10 chests? That will the the 100% minus the probability of getting NO RINGS AT ALL, correct? The probability of getting NO RINGS AT ALL is 0.8^10 = 0.107. So the probability of getting AT LEAST ONE RING will be 1 – 0.107 = 0.89. 89%, essentially.

I stopped arguing anything higher than basic maths on the internet long ago. From looking at this thread, I’d say you’re going to feel the same way soon enough. (E. Engineer with a major in math here)

16 runs at level 20+, not a single infused ring. BUT I HAVE GOTTEN 2 FRACTAL WARHORNS! THANK YOU RNG!

No. Devs are currently working on a solution to rejoining when you get disconnected, but the fix is at least a week and a half away.

Specced and geared properly, someone with 15 agony resist can survive T4 (30-39) Jade Maw. I assume the same holds true for someone with higher agony resist for T5, and from what I’ve heard there is no way to survive agony hits in T6 (but I’m not there yet).

Agreed, pretty unlucky. I’ve done 14 level 10 dailies, and I’ve gotten 5 rings from them. I still haven’t gotten the rings that I actually want though, so I continue running them.

Here’s what I got from doing my dailies (level 10, 20 and 30):

6 rares and 2 exotics.

That’s significantly better than what I got the day before the patch. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

Edit: Notice that the OP deleted his post, making my reply the new top comment in this thread. It was something along the lines of, “I’m still level 1 and play mostly solo, can you please make it so that I can solo fractals.”

Upper 20s were the hardest things for me to find a group for. Took me all last weekend (Friday-Sunday) to get through them constantly flipping through overflows and posting on gw2lfg.

Pinch.4273:

Yep, Jade Maw is a gating mechanism.

Fun fact: Jade Maw 50 hits for 1172% of your health every second.

That’s with no agony resist, right?

So basically the only way to progress beyond 40 is to use revival orbs on Jade Maw…

Robert Hrouda.1327:

As for his health, he already has half the normal health of other legendary creatures, and his toughness is scaled down as well. I don’t imagine I will lower his health down any further since I have watched groups kill him in just 2 tries.

Tell me, how long did those 2 tries take the group to accomplish?

yesfourme.8906:

Everything is optional in this game, but a casual player should be able to enjoy fractals. This is not fun anymore except for hardcore players who will find no flaw in Gw2 no matter what.

Casual players can enjoy fractals. Clearly you’ve already finished at least difficulties 1-13. If each difficulty level took you 2 hours (like you complained about in your first post) that means you’ve spent 26+ hours doing fractals over the past 2 weeks. That’s 1 hour per day that you, a casual player, have gotten to do brand new content from a free expansion in a game you’re not paying a monthly fee for.

Please no bug fixing, focus on new content

Enough said, I believe that people don’t care as much about, nor need all these content bug fixes that only require fixes themselves while older content remains completed. Please consider switching your focus fr all your updates. I know you have teams working on both, but the new content is just not fast enough and support is simply too slow and for weeks you get automated responses that clearly give the impression noone has even read your ticket yet. Just my two cents.

I for one have already completed the fractals and the other dungeons. Some are just horribly not fun. And now we have these bug fixes, what a mess when you lose hours of hard gaming only to run into a bug. and then you decide to make a bugged dungeon part of the monthly?

(Yea, that second one doesn’t make much sense, but neither did the OP)

1. Just because a game is casual friendly doesn’t mean that everything in the game needs to be achievable by casual players.

2. Fractals were added into the game to appease non-casual players. Stop trying to complete non-casual content as a casual player.

3. Some things are harder than other things. If they made those 2 easier, you would be complaining about the next 2 hardest ones.

4. Fractals are not dynamic events or personal story quests.

5. You can’t differentiate between a green check mark meaning “I agree” and a red ‘X’ meaning “I don’t agree”?

The sooner you realize that you should do only the content that you have the time, and want, to accomplish, the sooner you will be better off. I no longer do my achievement daily (the one that gives a karma jug and mystic coin) or the WvW jumping puzzles because I only have enough play time to do a couple of fractals each day. (It also helps that I’m good at this game and able to complete fractals in an hour or so each)

Also, I’m able to survive level 30 with only 15 agony resist. So saying you can’t survive at level 20+ means you don’t know what you’re doing.

In order of length of time spent in each fractal, Asura is the worst. Even when running with a skilled group that isn’t getting constantly knocked off ledges it takes well over 30 minutes to do purely because of how the pacing is set up. (Note, if you’re with a good group, don’t use the cheese tactic on the champion ettin, it slows the dungeon down a LOT).

Dredge comes in second, mostly due to how long it takes to kill Rabinovich. He’s not challenging at all to anyone that’s ran the dungeon multiple times, but his HP pool is ridiculous.

Snowblind is third. Constantly having the boss teleport up onto his cliff and do the exact same pattern of icicles over and over is the most ridiculous time waster ever. The only people that ever die to it are beginners and people that get randomly bugged as an ice cube and can’t move.

Cliffside would be fourth if the final boss wasn’t so easy to skip. Please make some changes to the mob spawns on the chest seal if/when you fix the final boss.

Nope. There’s a dev quote in one of these threads here by Robert Hrouda saying that the daily loot reward table is exactly the same for 10 and 18, same with 20 and 28 and so on.

This is how everyone’s first attempt at a dungeon goes. People don’t know what to do, and instead of trying a strategy they just zerg things down. The biggest problem is that rarely will anyone go back and redo a story mode dungeon, so you generally have people that are doing it for their first time, or at least first time on that character. So nobody knows what their class is supposed to do, or they don’t even know what to expect in the dungeon itself.

This goes away when you get to end game explorables. People want to do them as quickly as possible, and as efficiently as possible. There is no graveyard rushing, there are no convenient boulders laying around, and there’s a lot of fancy jumping in order to avoid pulling trash that doesn’t need to be cleared.

So 23 daily chests at level 10-19 and you’ve gotten 1 ring?

I’ve been tracking everything I’ve gotten from the daily reward chest since I hit level 10. (here)

Tier 2: 5/13 – 38% chance to get a ring

Tier 3: 2/10 – 20% chance to get a ring (still haven’t gotten an infused ring, so this number isn’t very useful)

Tier 4: 0/2 – Not enough data

So it’s not exactly a huge sample to choose from, but hopefully other people out there have also been meticulously keeping track of their rewards. You can also see that I’ve gotten 2 fractal weapon skins.

What I don’t want to see in here (and what isn’t helpful) is saying things like “I’ve done fractals every day and haven’t gotten anything!” that doesn’t help. If you have data to add, please include number of attempts, and number of rewards! Hopefully with enough (useful) data we can see “behind the scenes” and find the actual chance of getting these things.

(Sidenote: Hopefully this all becomes OBE very quickly because the developers push a better system out. But until then, please try and stay on topic! Thanks!)

Yep, just a skin. It has exotic damage rating, but doesn’t come with any +stats. I’ve gotten a fractal shortbow in t3 (20-29) and a fractal focus in t4 (30-39).

30+

More characters.

Well, he should be overheated 100% of the time… so… yea…

With 15 agony resist Jade Maw’s agony attack (at level 10) does 1% of my hp. I can go afk for the fight if I pick up a crystal.

I much prefer fighting the dredge suit over the ice elemental. Especially in higher difficulties. Those extra ice eles cause all kinds of problems whereas the dredge suit has only a couple of very easy to dodge moves. And you can reflect his bombs back at him for huge damage.

I made a Jade Maw gear set for the higher difficulties of Jade Maw. I still haven’t been blessed with an infused ring, so instead I made a gear set that has full healing power and no vitality. It’s the only way I can survive taking 250% of my hp over 8 seconds.

Had someone DC in level 29 at the end of the first fractal. We went on to 4 man the remaining ones (cliffside and asura).

If we can 4 man level 29, I’m sure you could have 4 manned whatever level you were on.

DO A LITTLE DANCE.

Seriously, strafe left and right in very rapid succession. Because the AI tries to “lead” its target, if you rapidly switch directions, no projectiles will hit you.

(Note this also works on the grawl final boss. I’ve solo tanked him for several minutes while the one remaining person went around and ressed everyone else that had died.)

Lokki.1092:

Wallach.7291:

Is it intended that there is no 75 Fractal Relic cost Offensive Infusion on the FotM vendor? It seems that Offensive Infusion slot is currently disadvantaged compared to Defensive Infusion rather arbitrarily.

I would really like an answer to this. I see this question posed everywhere but no answers. I want to know before I spend my tokens. I’m at a point where I need infusions, but I need offensive ones. As it stands now you can get a defensive Infusion for 75 relics but it costs 225 for offensive. But they have the exact same stat (+5 Agony resist).

I feel like I’m being punished for making a quiver instead of a book. Is this intentional? it it going to be fixed? should I hold onto my relics?

Yep. I regularly ask people that made the quiver if they just don’t understand the system.

Drake Brimstone.3706:

I’m not using a 3rd party website and potentialy getting viruses just to get a group.

I’m not saying that website is a “bad” website, just that it’s not official and a potential security risk.

You don’t have to sign in or anything on the website, it’s purely a fill in the blanks (fotm, level, message) and post it to a scrolling message board.

If you seriously think your account is at risk by going to a website like that you probably shouldn’t be using a computer unsupervised.

Shaikhob.2863:

This should be the right screen shot. I’ll try and get one if I run into the grawl level

Uhm, that’s not a boss. That’s a very easy to kill champion.

If you’re doing fractal bosses in melee range you’re doing it wrong. Every class can use ranged weapons, utilize them.

Luke.2643:

http://gw2lfg.com/

really useful for finding fractal groups.

TheRabbit.9478:

I’ve been stuck on the same difficulty for the past 2 days. I’ve spent the past 2 hours actively trying to find a group (hopping between overflows, posting on gw2lfg.com, and messaging people in the fotm 20+ guild) and once again, I’ve found 2 other people and can’t find a 4th and 5th to go.

Thanks for reading.

I’ve been stuck on the same difficulty for the past 2 days. I’ve spent the past 2 hours actively trying to find a group (hopping between overflows, posting on gw2lfg.com, and messaging people in the fotm 20+ guild) and once again, I’ve found 2 other people and can’t find a 4th and 5th to go.

I spent all night Friday night doing the same thing, all during US prime time, and still couldn’t find a group.

I’ve done the previous difficulty 4 times, trying to get enough people up to my level to be able to form a whole group.

I’ve been helping my guild level up as much as possible, but the large majority of them are still in their low teens or haven’t even gotten up to the double digits.

This is really unfun ANet. I really hate that I have to whine about this, and I’ve rewritten this post 2 or 3 times trying to get it to sound less whiny, but I’m tired of doing lower level difficulties and not getting any personal progress besides filling up my already full friends list.

Sleepy.2647:

Just if someone still didn’t notice, exotic MF gear still has lower stats than normal gear, not just the lack of third stat.
I’d say 20+ should be free from MF gear, anyone who attempts to keep using full MF at these levels should be rewarded with a big shiny tittle saying “I’m selfish, let me leech you!!!”.

I agree. I stopped wearing my MF gear in 20+ (and I generally don’t even switch back into it when doing 10-19), and every time someone in the party goes down on something that should be easy I have that little voice inside my head saying: “I wonder if they’re wearing MF gear and expecting the rest of us to carry them through this…”

Pokerjoker.7246:

I did not spend any gold on it.

So… you accidentally made one that had an offensive slot instead of a defensive slot? Is that what you’re saying?

I really can’t understand what you’re trying to say.

stof.9341:

Pokerjoker.7246:

230 Fractals Complete.
Level 20 on my main had to craft the backpice for 1.850 + 225. (dailys since day 4 after release)

Why craft the backpiece with offensive slot instead of the defensive slot?

He wants to spend 20 gold for +5 precision instead of 50 gold.

I’ve kicked people from my FotM parties for not having enough (or any) agony resistance. And when I run with a random puggle that is claiming to have X amount of agony resist I ask them to link their gear.

I was doing the same thing months ago to people that wanted to join a guild group for Arah or CoE explorable. I required puggles to have full exotic gear if they wanted to come with us.

Why? It’s a gateway. I don’t want to have to be constantly ressing you just because you’re too cheap/lazy to have good gear. I don’t know how good of a player you are, and who out there is totally 100% honest about how good/bad they are when they’re trying to find a group to do content? All I know is that if you miss a dodge here or there, and you’re in full agony resist gear, you’re still going to be alive afterwards.

I understand some people have genuinely bad luck getting rings/vials. I’m very sorry for you. But, I’m not going to intentionally inconvenience myself just because you’re having bad luck. I’m sorry if that sounds harsh or whatever, but I play this game to have fun. And if I’m doing content that is balanced around having 5 people, and 1 of those people is constantly dead, the gameplay becomes a lot less fun for me.

This isn’t anything new, and this shouldn’t surprise anyone.

Was there an uproar on the forum 3 months ago when people doing Arah exp were only accepting people in full exotics when 99% of the population wasn’t in full exotics yet? Yep. Has that problem been completely negated over 2 months of game play? Yep.

Give it a few more weeks and this will no longer be an issue and you all will have found something new to whine about instead.

Having said all that, let me spend a minute on my soapbox to say something else.

Ascended gear only matters for high level fractals.

If you’re “grinding” fractals so that you can get ascended rings so that you can go be 1% better in WvW, you’re doing it wrong.

If you’re complaining that you’re being forced to do something unfun in this game, you honestly do not understand this game. If you currently do not enjoy doing fractals, stop doing them. The minor stat gain from these 3 pieces of gear is really not worth the amount of heartache you’re giving yourself. Take your exotics, and go back to doing whatever it was you were doing before fractals came out. You’ll be much happier and live a longer and fuller life because of it.

You’re welcome.

KuroKanden.1026:

just showcasing that ascended accessories are NOT mandatory assets when it comes to fotm, even at higher lvs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BizzOT6Kb00

You made a video of the two easiest fractals (underwater + swamp) and for the third (colossus) you used bugs to avoid having to fight the boss for everything except for minute or two.

Show me a video of you doing grawl, or legendary dredge suit with your 0 toughness and 0 agony resist. It will be a video of you on the ground dead the entire fight.

Also, 0 agony resist? You don’t even show your gear during the entire video. Seems like agony on jade maw is hitting you for way less than it would hit someone that has 0 resist.

Fun impacts decisions. Every time you finish a dungeon you get tokens you can trade in for reward items that you want, rather than having a small chance of getting it as a drop, because it’s more fun to always get rewarded for finishing with something you want to have!

This isn’t currently how things work in fractals in regards to ascended rings. Ascended back pieces, sure, you get your choice of stats, but rings are totally random drops and you have to roll with what you get (if you get anything at all, but that’s another topic).

It’s more fun to always get rewarded for finishing with something you want to have!

This is the part I’ve had the most contention with. I’ve gotten 2 rings so far from doing fractal dailies (done 11 times over 7 days and 2 difficulty tiers) and both of them have had the exact same stats. Berserker’s. And I’m a full Soldier’s Guardian.

I was grateful for the rings I got, and I sucked it up, equipped them, and spent 300 fractals putting infusions into them so that I could survive better in the higher difficulties. But it’s always nagging at me that I’ve got these 2 less than ideal pieces of gear on my character. My character that I spent so much time on getting into the perfect gear set for my build.

So today, during the AMA, I asked (repeatedly) if anything was being done about the seeming shift in design philosophy.

TheRabbit

Chris, will the Ascended rings continue to be “double random”?
What I mean is that not only do you have to beat the RNG in order to receive a ring, but you also have to beat the RNG to get a ring that is useful to your build. I have received 2 ascended rings, and both of them have the exact same stats (Berserker’s) whereas all of my other gear is Solider’s.

Would it be possible to replace the ring drop with a ring token that could be used at an additional vendor? Or perhaps a mystic forge recipe that would convert rings into other stat packages?

Thanks for staying up so late to chat with us

Chris Whiteside

We were talking about this this afternoon Red and we certainly believe that some method of meaningful replacement would be a good idea. we didn’t however come to a conclusion yet so there is no more detail.

Chris

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Obviously you can’t read too much into this, and he was being intentionally vague, but it gives me hope that one day I’ll be able to choose which 2 ascended rings I’ll wear rather than grind the daily chest rewards endlessly hoping that the RNG gods will bless me with the rings I want.

Portal Master.9146:

@TheRabbit – The reason you would stick around and spend another 30 seconds (often less than that) is for a potentially great drop. Which these trash mobs seem to drop more often than some trash outside this dungeon.

As long as the group is good, I don’t care. I’ll skip it all if you want but I think many of you are making a mistake and should reconsider. The tokens themselves only help you make gear that make it easier to progress further into the same fractals. Which hopefully means even better loot in the higher ones (lvl 17 now for myself).

You missed my point. I was saying that earlier we were aoeing huge clumps of mobs down earlier (that all drop loot). Why would we slow down and stop to kill these single mobs when we could rush past them and get to the next big clump of aoe mobs sooner?

More loot and faster = better.

To answer your question:

It’s because people enjoy forcing themselves to do something, and then complaining that they hate doing it.

At least that’s what I gather from reading this forum.

Ari Kagura.9182:

You’re better off just buying the one from the token vendor at this time.

Wait until you get the Infused version of that same ring (which you can get at level 20 and higher), then you can go ahead and blow off all those mats on it.

This. 225 fractal tokens isn’t that much (compared to the versatile infusiosn you make in the forge).

I agree for the most part, but I would put dredge mining suit as easier than dredge ice elemental. No adds, bombs can be reflected for massive damage. Only bad part is the huge room wide agony hits, but if you’re within visible range they are easy enough to dodge.

Unfortunately I always end up with terrible groups against dredge boss, people can’t kite to the right spot, have no agony resist and die to his ground pound, and can never get out of the way of bombs fast enough. Plus the person pulling the levers loves to always go down right as we get the boss into position… If I could clone myself and bring a party of 5 of me in, it would be one of the easiest bosses in fractals.

There are enough mobs in there that you are forced to kill that I have no qualms with skipping past the ones that are skippable.

For example on the grawl one that you mentioned, you HAVE to kill waves and waves of grawl at the very beginning.

I see no reason to stick around and spend 30 seconds to kill a single mob when we just spent 5 minutes to kill 50 at the start.

Silyth.7150:

Finally got an ascended ring to drop for me today, but of coarse the stats on it are useless for me. can i do anything with this ring thats useful? or should i just salvage it for globs?

Thx for help =D

The rings can’t be salvaged and can’t be put into the mystic forge.

I held out for a long time by not equipping the rings I had, but agony in the higher levels is just too much of a killer and I caved in and equipped them. They’re totally wrong stats for my build, but oh well.

Dead.7385:

High end Fractals aren’t meant for casuals. Or at least that is what it feels like. Its trying to be the “raid endgame” of other games without being a “raid”. If that makes sense.

Yes, exactly. I was in a very good group last night, and it took us 90 minutes to do level 20. That’s with no wipes, no disconnects, and very few deaths.

90 minutes of straight play time to progress 1 level, just to do it all over again is not casual.

Thus, high end fractals are not for casual players.

Only real issue I have is the double RNG on rings. Vials have a decent enough drop rate, if you’re tagging things in fractals, you’ll have 1 by the time you get to 9 (I had 5, and nobody in my guild progressed beyond 9 before finding at least 1).

However, the rings.

I’ve had 2 rings drop for me. Neither one was for my build, but I equipped them anyway because I needed more agony resist at 20+. I’ve only had 2 rings drop from the daily after doing it 5 times, and I have yet to get anything from the T3 daily (only done that one twice).

So, I’ve had 2 rings drop, they’re terrible for my build, but I’m forced to use them to survive agony attacks in T3.

Why is it that every other dungeon utilizes tokens so that gear with your stats can be purchased, but that idea got tossed out the window on fractals? Have the daily drop a “Ring Token” that can be used to purchase the ring you want from a new ring vendor in the fractal area. Have it be the same drop rate as current rings if you want to keep them rare, but at least let us choose the stats we want on our rings.

Also, please add an MF recipe to upgrade rings. thx.

Can someone please definitively clarify the scaling/lockout/reset mechanics?

Yes.

In fact, almost immediately after the dungeon is accessable this question will be answered. Which also happens to be the exact moment in time when the question actually has meaning.