I would think moving to a server matched against a large SEA or OCX guild pop would be preferable. That way there is someone to fight.
You would think that, but when your server has nobody online and an enemy zerg is running rampant on your gates its not actually all that fun.
~ Kovu
Maybe thats how he likes it.
Not sure if asked before, but how big will the territories be? Will there be neutral territories, so that any teams can glide in it at the same time?
ALIBI: Think EOTM; maps open and close based on a trigger… there is never a wait time.
Then why should I dedicate my time on any objectives on a temporary map? It’ll just be a even stronger karma train fest then dbl already is, just like eotm
OP didn’t ask for the amulet system….. All he asked for was to remove PvE stats from WvW. That in no way means you have to go to the amulet system. Most of these comments aren’t even relevant to what was proposed.
Make it like PvP, you can keep your look.
When did PvP get another system? I must be out of the loop
I know i would get this reaction, but think about everyone on the same level of stats plus will help new players coming to the game mode, i guess Mike O’Brien was correct wvw players really love pve more.
You’re funny
If we can keep the current system but get free interchangeable stats on every set so I don’t have to farm PVE, I’m all for it.
But if you’re talking about making it like pvp with a single amulet, and complete single set of runes, with absolutely no mixing of stats…… It’s just boring
No, just delete trailblazers.
What’s “BALANCE”? Is that an LS achievement?
That can’t be right. It should be a dungeon achievement. Double check it though, it should be somewhere in the archives.
Personally, I think Its pretty easy to dodge out of the way of coalescence or ruin.
The funny thing is you don’t even have to dodge it. Just strafe. Not even joking, it will miss everytime on someone strafing.
Most people that die to CoR were most likely either
1.) Already low on health, and anything would have killed them
2.) Tried to facetank the enemy, and would have been cleaved by anything
3.) Standing still.It was once a BS skill, but post nerf it seems fairly managable.
Also note that while you could probably hit random stragglers for 12k, in practice it may be a little less due to easy tempest aoe protection, frost aura and also random rite of the great dwarf and whatever voodoo invul is around these days.
Finally, in big groups, it is not just about numbers. Sacrificing group survival for more personal dps can work, but it may also have indirect effects when your own people drop and end up rallying the people you just downed.
That being said, I guess hammer could use a rework since it is just a zerg weapon atm.
And that’s kinda the thing. It’s super easy to avoid in small-scale or 1v1 but the visual clutter from everything going on in a ZvZ with the skill having no reflect/deflect and the likes just lets it drop five people out of nowhere every four seconds.
Hammer just needs a rework in its entirety.
Ground target aoe aren’t reflectable. How do I identify which ones are blockable and which ones are unblockable?
If anything that needs to be reworked, it’s not rev’s hammer, the entire game visual mechanic needs to be reworked
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Huh? Huh? If a map forcibly breaks up Zerg, its just gonna be like dbl where no one wants to play on it
Once again you pretend cleanses do not exist.
once again you are pretending cleanses are effective agaisnt the condi spam and the lag doesn’t exists. Kindly stop defending something all the community is telling you here and in reddit is utterly broken.
Luckily balance patch is coming soon and i hope Anet has taken seriously the condi problem and addressed it properly. Hopefully nerfing the dps they can output overtime and the broken stat sets.
You mean like every balance patch before? NOT ENOUGH CONDI -> MORE BUFF!
What’s WvW? Is that a dungeon?
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No, you just want WvW with free bandwagon transfer.
if not all of the hits of CoR and it does crap damage
What I find funny is that no one has mentioned the fact that Gaurdian traps, backstab, and ranger LB, can do this damage.
Power rev is terrible with hammer in a 1 v 1
If you rely on a zerg to be useful ( and arguably against organized groups that usefulness diminishes greatly) then by design that weapon/class is terrible.
I think the reason ppl hate CoR is that even with 3k armor it still does lots of dmg
none of those are even comparable to CoR for obvious reasons. traps have high cd, teefs will get downed by zerg aa, rang lb gets reflected. CoR suffers from none of those drawbacks.
I’m not talking about 1v1, which I made clear.
since zergs are what I’m talking about, this last point of yours makes no sense. the weapon and class are very much meta and taken in nearly every serious comp.
You cant even see the thing coming most of the time. The animations on the hit is way too easy to hid so your offten going down with no ideal why. Most of the time it feels like some one was haxing and that never a good / fun feeling.
If we are talking about zerg…… Which aoe ring can you even reliably identify?…
Projectiles too. I can’t see pulls reliably, please nerf pull
For those who need to ask “Who?”:
Siege Razor was necessary as a tutor for the first players in WvW when the game started, demonstrating how siege would work for taking a tower. His role progressed from “tutor” to “distraction” as he was often started in order to cause swords on one objective while players went elsewhere. Finally he was retired (along with his surprisingly aggressive Yak).
I too would enjoy seeing a return in some form for Siege Razor. Perhaps he, and his Yak, should be allowed to freely roam the borderlands along a random path, acting as a mobile sentry. Alternatively he could sit at the spawn in a home borderlands and run a short cinematic intro for players new to WvW…
Yes his yak taught us new players one of the most important and fundamental skill of this game mode: PVD and bashing our heads on the gate.
Typical response by a person not able to rebut the facts. They alwys fall into the “well the only reason you defend conditions is because you play one and want to faceroll” It rather lame. It reminds me of all of those people claiming Saddam did not have WMDS with those short on the facts claiming "you must have drank his koolaid or are on his payroll’.
You’ve got that the wrong way round, the notion that you could prove the negative in that situation is an illogical proposition, after all you can’t have people in every possible location in Iraq at once.
So the only people short on facts were those wanting to push their agenda claiming he had WMD programmes without the evidence to support that, which is why I guess some people may make comments about “koolaid” given that even after they invaded the country the inspection teams didn’t find these active WMD programmes.
Wat??
I believe some conditions builds are over-tuned as well as some power builds.
Deathly Chill should be looked at. That trait applies way too much bleeding.
Daredevil endurance should be looked at.
Perplexity Mesmer/Chrono has alot of survivability for the damage it can do.
Berserker adrenaline gain should be reduced or Berserk F1 CDs should be increased.Those are the 4 outliers that come to mind.
Also, the Devs should take into account (not balance around, just keep in mind) that most condi builds can and usually do run high duration increase times effectively doubling the damage output. Well not double but very close to it.
every single perplex trailblazer condi spam builds on every class should be deleted
We could use some more conditions, and classes should have better access to apply all of them, would be good for wider options on builds.
Yea. AKA delete power.
High damage per attack balanced by low rate of attack, and hammer is a VERY slow weapon which is bad at literally everything except for ranged damage.
Fire ball for staff ele ask you why that and its a lot easier to see the fire ball then a dam “shadow” hammer. Necro staff 1 there a lot of classes who have a slow attk that do not even come close to a revs dmg. Its not a balanced attk.
Staff ele does a lot more damage than hammer rev against targets that can’t dodge the obvious animations, and the animations for hammer rev are just as obvious. Main difference is ele dies to retal in wvw while hammer revs low hits per minute keeps it relatively safe.
I am not seeing an ele doing 13k dmg with one skill. The ground attk that not a projectile on a 5 sec cd that often is hidden by the grass and or every thing going off and players i am not sure where its obvious.
They do more damage in the same time the hammer animation fires
Oddly hammer is faster then a fire ball that and the hammer hits 5 targets and fire ball only hits 3.
Its not the hammer 1 that realty braking things is the hammer 2 and that is because its doing 13k ish dmg on such a low cd its a non counter able attks (only unblockable are harder to deal with) and its very hard to see.
Look i am ok for attks to do this much dmg but you need real tells and more then one class needs to have this type of burst dmg. Right now gw2 in wvw feels more like stander mmorpg combat then the action combat because you simply cant see what going on. This is due to being able to hide attks in other attks or simply have such low animations impact that it seems like its part of the map.
So if your ok with this dmg and effect then why not put it on other classes on there pure power dmg weapons?
either you don’t ele or you only camp fire only blobbing with minstrel gear
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Please also let it summon quaggan minions, they would go around breaking down every gates on the bl with their pitchforks
High damage per attack balanced by low rate of attack, and hammer is a VERY slow weapon which is bad at literally everything except for ranged damage.
Fire ball for staff ele ask you why that and its a lot easier to see the fire ball then a dam “shadow” hammer. Necro staff 1 there a lot of classes who have a slow attk that do not even come close to a revs dmg. Its not a balanced attk.
Staff ele does a lot more damage than hammer rev against targets that can’t dodge the obvious animations, and the animations for hammer rev are just as obvious. Main difference is ele dies to retal in wvw while hammer revs low hits per minute keeps it relatively safe.
I am not seeing an ele doing 13k dmg with one skill. The ground attk that not a projectile on a 5 sec cd that often is hidden by the grass and or every thing going off and players i am not sure where its obvious.
They do more damage in the same time the hammer animation fires
Server Combinations:
Being on a smaller server (IOJ), we constantly find our server allied with a different larger server. So once we get used to playing with a larger server, our reward to to be given to a different larger server. The problem with this is that it makes it difficult to establish a lasting relationship, since we have no control over who we will be allied with next, nor exactly when that change will be. Relationships work in two directions, so it is difficult for a larger server to know who they can depend on. All in all, it is hard on alliances.
Also doesn’t help when servers constantly get relinked. Breaking apart an establishing community and restarting with another server. For the 10000000000th time, please just permanently link them and only relink when absolutely necessary. How in the name of Balthazar do you create a community loyally committed to a common cause when they’re constantly being shuffled around??? Why make every relink feel like a ‘restart’ event, that makes people want to transfer to seek for a new start on a new server?
Oh by the way, you want to change that transfer cost for guest servers yet?
Regardless of environment, small guilds are at a disadvantage and GW2 seems to favor large guilds, which translates to WvW even more so along the line whether one’s guild is more WvW focused (advantage again to larger guilds, who statistically can have more WvW-focused members).
TBH, I don’t see anything wrong with larger guilds being able to do more things? Just don’t make small guilds/group obsolete.
No pip. No exp to level alt. No Queue. Dead map
My suggestion to rectify this:
Delete EWP.
Reintroduce contest timer gap.^this 100%
(Bannering the keep lords would be awesome too… but…)
+100000
Please do these 2, our dear Gods
They have slow as hell animation…
Full zerker makes revs squishy as hell, especially with rev’s lack of sustain…
The damage/sustain trade off balances….. OH WAIT CONDI BUILDS?!
POWER REV CLEARLY UNDERPOWERED → BUFF PLZ. TRUE BALANCE WILL BE ACHIEVED BY MAKING REVS TANKY AND CRIT 10K+
But guilds move servers every time since the beginnin of the game to have good fights. I dont see any problem in that
Good fights 2017, you are a funny guy.
No, he’s completely right. Good Fights = 70 vs 10. Even fights are too hard, which makes them bad fights.
Yea I see a lot of skillful solo roamers running with 5-10+ people all the time
I see no problem here
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There are people in guilds who play even when guild isn’t raiding….. it’s not as simply distinct as people in guild vs pugs not in guild
My thoughts are if you enter WvW with the “what’s in it for me” attitude, that will kill the game mode faster than anything else. The beauty of WvW is the cooperation, and being part of something bigger than self.
The trouble is that with the way things are currently setup, players ARE forced to choose between either maximizing rewards (mainly through ON farming), or doing their best to help their server. This problem isn’t unique to WvW; it happens all the time in PvE and PvP, but the difference here is that PvE/PvP players can largely segregate themselves from the hardcore farmers. You can do raids/Fractals with experienced peeps you know, and it doesn’t affect the experience of anyone else. PvP farmers who just want to do dailies have PvP Custom Arenas, while the “professionals” now have Tournaments where they can form their own hand-picked crew of 5 people and thus never have to deal with newbies.
But this is not the case for WvW. Everybody’s on the same map, and every person who is there farming (or even doing stuff like roaming, if you want to be nitpicky about it) is not really doing “the best” they could for their server, if we’re going to consider War Score and PPT as the be-all and end-all.
It therefore is in ANet’s best interests to construct a reward system where players DON’T feel like they have to spend hours upon hours grinding in order to get anywhere meaningful within a reasonable amount of time (For Warbringer? Sure, I can imagine it taking a couple months of work since it’s a Legendary. For Ascended gear? That PvE or PvP players could get within days? I don’t think so), because then people will naturally start looking for ways to shortcut the system. You can’t stop people from doing this; it’s human nature. All you can do is remove the impetus that makes people want to do it in the first place.
Eh?! well in PVE open world, you could choose to just half afk auto attack, or you could run around doing the necessary stuff, timing for CC. Both still get same rewards.
We should just perma link instead of constantly changing.
Linking shouldn’t be removed, since some servers could be dead again after the reward hype moves on. (Unless we have constant new WvW updates… but I doubt given the record)
How do you create server identity/loyalty/competiveness when you are playing with different community or under a different name all the time?
Mass transfer after every relink… $$$$$$$$$$ but screws up gameplay
Transfer cost for guest servers……………………… ¯\(-,-)/¯
Me
I know i know you all plebians are in denial
Telling someone to tank up to dedicate them to condi cleanse and reducing condi duration is not a great advice for roaming. Maybe for duelling/ scrimming but not for roaming. Roaming builds should ideally be more versatile in fighting many different types of builds (power/condi/hybrid) you may come across while roaming.
You think all that dedication on putting condi cleanse and minus condi duration at the expense of all other things gonna do anything if you happen to come across a power build while free roaming?
People who says otherwise don’t actually roam.
The main problem with condi is it’s too easy to reapply the condi & and the sheer quantity you get from a burst. Unless you are running a build dedicated to cleansing condi, it’s ridiculously difficult to fight against any decent condi player.
surprisingly peaceful so far…
I’d be happy with the removal of double confirm on the tactics/upgrade box. Idk why people are choosing the badges box.
Not everyone plays and blobs a lot since launch
Penalising for dying would suck. It’d be worse then when armour repair costed money, when everyone would avoid dying at all cost, and mess up group/Zerg plays
Even if tournaments never return, I’m still all for some competitive events.
What are the odds we’ll see that in near future?
I liked the old sword AA though, though I’m not sad that it’s gone.
When zerk was meta, you could at least still kill them. It was a high risk, high reward meta. If you didnt have skill, you’d die quick.
Not really, the zerk builds that actually got played 95% of the time in this game (both PvP & WvW) were not high risk at all, because they either had a silly level of engage/disengage or were actually relatively tanky for being able to put obscene amounts of damage, the things that actually had some meaningful level of risk for example zerk static discharge engy were barely played.
Give me all 95% of this zerk builds examples? Tyvm. Don’t make bold claims when you can’t back it up.
What? Are you new from PvE? Do you really need it explained to you why roaming on say a zerk thief wasn’t really high risk?
You’re funny. Maybe the only WvW you ever played is sit in tower as a theif.
Zerk thieves are high risk as hell. I don’t see how they can take much damage.
Nah, just deposit straight into our wallet please
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When zerk was meta, you could at least still kill them. It was a high risk, high reward meta. If you didnt have skill, you’d die quick.
Not really, the zerk builds that actually got played 95% of the time in this game (both PvP & WvW) were not high risk at all, because they either had a silly level of engage/disengage or were actually relatively tanky for being able to put obscene amounts of damage, the things that actually had some meaningful level of risk for example zerk static discharge engy were barely played.
Give me all 95% of this zerk builds examples? Tyvm. Don’t make bold claims when you can’t back it up.
Some people only has 1 geared character
They shouldn’t die that easily if they position better even in the biggest of blob fights. They just have to understand they’re not going to survive following the tag like a puppet.
PvP stuff is PvP panel. WvW stuff in WvW panel. As for PVE mastery, well PvE is anets favourite child, so that’ll go into the heros panel.
What? So the leading dominant server can farm even more effectively? Brb transferring top server
I think people should be playing more of the builds they critique. I do not consider myself as highyly skilled yet do not have the issues killing Condi Builds that some seem to have. For thief in particular it really does not matter if they power or condi, they always have escape ability. Condi can just “hang around” more while power has to pull off. Given I play both Condi thief and power thief, I know the weaknesses of the Condi just by having faced persons on my condition build who also know those weaknesses and exploit them. (After every fight I tend to look back on the logs to try to determine how it done)
My own rule of thumb is this. If I am on a given build for XXX hours and 20 plus percent of the total players I encounter can deal with it , than the build can not be OP.
Now to Zerg fights in particular and all of hat AOE, that an entirely different issue and has little to do with the thief or with individual condition builds in general. It how it all works and is magnified in a blob. The nature of a blob fight negates much of the inherent downsides of a given build type.
so whats condi thief weakness?
cus i tried condi thief with some cheap ass gear, and all i did was pop a poison field spam some evades which add more poison and possibly bleed tornament etc on interupt after 5? stacks of poison i add more tornaments i use that skill to have 5 times poison added to my attacks or w/e..i mean i didnt really see my weakness at all given the fact that i have my traits window perma open dragged to far left side so i could switch between dash(for swiftness when running around and other crap for evading in poison fields, ye im sorry i dont know em names and to lazy to check up).
none the less i found it so easy and not fun at all i went back to good old power thief.
That’s easy. Another condi theif. They will have their eternal battle of run away and refresh. The one that’s bad at running away dies (aka all skills)
Atleast power thrives I can try land my burst, but condi theif?….
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It’s probably less about making sounds arguments than argue to get each other mad, except they’re all probably enjoying it.
aka the 1st tier problem, solution: change home server
It’s not a ‘first tier problem’.
It’s Anet forcing any server out of its tier as well as the links, which have failed their ‘beta’ test.
Between the two, WvW is very unplayable 50-90% on any server most especially during NA Prime time on NA servers.
This guy never left t1
What does that mean? I a not in Tier 1 – FC is currently linked into t2…
Tier’s matter – even if you don’t think so.
…And I am not a guy – good grief!
1. Tiers matter, I never said it doesn’t – it’s literally what I’m saying this whole time, so transfer down if you don’t like never ending queue
2. Noone cares if you’re a guy or girl or both or neither. Why would you even get offended? Just accept the fact you are on internet and no one knows anyone’s gender. Even if a person claims they’re are not a guy, one of the most important rule of internet states that everyone is a guy before proven otherwise. Because there exist people who likes attention. Also, should I put “this guy/girl” in everything? Would that mean I’m disrespecting people who are neither or both or whatever gender they associate themselves as? So please just leave this gender discussion out of literally the entire internet.
There are queues in the lowest of servers during NA Prime Time and most weekends
.And please don’t lecture me about my gender, it does matter to me. Sorry your control freak attitude won’t allow me to be an adult woman on a game board. -sheesh
Well… weekends…. and outside of reset, you rarely get all 4 maps queued down here including weekends…. I rather have 1 or 2 maps queued on prime time than dead servers tyvm.
And since when am I lecturing about your gender? I’m just saying don’t bring it up, what are you even trying to prove by bringing it up? It means nothing to everyone.
Don’t just write WvW off as unplayable after seeing a massive queue on EB. EB clearly don’t need more people, having even more people would truly make it unplayable. Just start something else on a BL or something
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The complainer(and yes that is his name on BG) won’t admit that players of the same rank, and playing in the same BL, with the same server, get the same number of PiPs. Just because effort was put in earlier, does not mean that the effort isn’t the same.
Keep the PIP system the same.
Oh really, so If i play spvp, and I’m rank 80 because I put in so many hours, and your rank 1 cuz you don’t play spvp. I should technically get my legendary backpiece 4-5x quicker then you right (and I mean quicker as in i get 3-4x the amount of rewards then you do for doing the same thing you are)? Oh waitttttt thats not how that works right…… even though i put all that effort in prior right?
I think you are confused. This is the WvW forum? Maybe you should try to post that in the PvP forum.
Do you need the link?
No not confused, read my OP and the title of the thread. No other mechanic in game caters to entitled wvwers as the wvw rank system does, In terms of locked rewards or faster rewards due to high ranks.
Yea, because other mechanics like the mastery system literally LOCKS you out of content before you complete it.
I don’t think the 5 pips for outnumbered is a bit much because a lot of us who have been playing this game mode a long time have all been there where morale is low because you are basically hopelessly outnumbered and outskilled. The five is meant to be a big incentive to keep playing under those circumstances and unless you’ve been in that situation it is difficult to empathize.
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1. how is it unfair playing on a map no one wants to be on
2. 2 min time frame is too short to do anything in the first place
3. it would also mess up people who changed to the wrong borderland
4. it would mess up wrong hops
5. you’re unhappy people coming into the map? Oh wait, I forgot you are just here for the pips and not for actually playing the game
everyone just jumps in to collet their pips
6. OH you want the pips for yourself and its unfair everyone came in to collect their outnumbered pips? How do they keep outnumbered when “everyone” jumps in to collect their pips?
7. If you truly love to defend for your server? Why would you think it is unfair? you are contributing by defending just like everyone else is contributing by zerging or roaming or even existing.
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but…. you do get things faster if you’ve played for longer in PVE…. fractals, masteries, etc? I don’t see new players getting stuff before they have to, in your own word “grind”, their levels or mastery
That’s your rank masteries.
There is no weekly timegated behind an insane amount of hours in PVE, or PVP. in PVP the last chest is repeatable without skipping the currency.
The last time I checked, there is no time gate behind WvW rank, but if you’re talking about pips this time, then same thing could be said about PvP since every match is a “time gate”
but…. you do get things faster if you’ve played for longer in PVE…. fractals, masteries, etc? I don’t see new players getting stuff before they have to, in your own word “grind”, their levels or mastery
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