the problem is there is no “high end” endgame
there is no punishing backbreaking soul crushing raids/dungeons
the esport aspect never took off
wvw is usually determined by whose server is more active/more playres.
What i can say
PVE can be fun with friends and voicechat
pvp doubly so
pvp can be fun regardless (tho also frustrating as with any pvp venture)
wvw is why i play the game, im not 80 yet, but its the best endgame this game possesses
the gear you get will matter in wvw
the skill you have will matter when roaming
its a mixture of PvE, PVP and zerg and its always happening.
while a “point” would help, it doesnt really need one.
the only mmo’s ive played with compareable pvp is wildstar. wich in general was the best mmo since wow imo. sad it died down so easily. i hope a f2p model or buy once no sub would help it, id go back to it in a heartbeat.
i also have high hopes for elder scrolls online, it recently going the same route as guild wars 2 (a great price model imo and good compromise between f2p and sub) ive heard only good things about its pvp.
basically after this summer i hope to be able to try out heart of mists, elder scrolls online and i hope wildstar comes around so i can reactivate my account and do awesome stuff.
i was the poster in tha tlink provided lol
i would seriously stop playing if there was that much grind
might i suggest wildstar? they talked it up to being the mmo for veteran hardcore mmo players.
its very well polished and quite fun, tho it doesnt have the playerbase it used to. i also love its artstyle/controls and housing. but my accoutn was hacked awhile back and i dont really ahve time to spend 15 bucks a month on it anyways. so i never recovered it.
i hear it might be going the way of f2p in the near future, that it might come to steam. id be curious to see how pay to win it becomes or pay2customize wich would kill it for me because that game was all about customizing.
ROM play 2/0/6/0/6 GS/LB and it’s pretty good
ROM?
When you get conditions you want to cleanse it with the longbow burst skill. Reason: If your hammer/gs burst misses (enemy dodges or you get blinded etc.) you won’t get the cleanse. LB burst always cleanses conditions even if you hit nothing. That’s the main reason everyone takes LB in spvp, the fire field from LB f1 also covers a large area, ideal for fighting on a capture point.
In Wvw however, no one will keep standing in your fire field. LB won’t be an effective weapon there, some warriors use it for the immobilize to set up burst (GS 2 or Axe Burst) but it is much weaker than in spvp. WvW allows much higher stats with ascended gear, buff food and applied strenght/fortitude, you can deal a lot more dmg than the same build in spvp.
how do you close that gap with hammer/bow tho? just kinda waltz?
when to greatsword!
i understand the traits, and i understand you use longbow both for a ranged option and to use cleansing ire to cleanse conditions…however…
other then when knowing im getting conditions stacked when do i hammer and when do i bow?
im new to warrior. my main preference/goal is GS/hammer for wvw roaming but i get the impression i cant make that really work in spvp. I try but i feel like all GS was useful for was closing the gap. GS main burst is nice but hard to land without bola or bulls charge. and i dont want to give up the 3 stances as i feel they are too useful in spvp.
basically i look at the skills, i get the general idea, but i dont really know when to do it. basically i feel like i just spam cd’s
i too have been intersted in this. also for spvp wich i imagine will ruffle some feathers lol
here is the issue
you make fast hands baseline…there is a brief moment of diversity until other meta defining builds are found. maybe it will be less overshadowing, maybe more, but you will still find people who state you cant function without it.
you dont make fast hands baseline. warriors continue needing it to function…period.
you take it away, you have to REDESIGN THE ENTIRE CLASS to balance out the nerf it would cause. warrior would be sub par in almost every way at that point. they really do lean on fast hands that much.
imo its more likely hte first or second option, both can be worked out with relative ease, the third option simply wont happen, would require far too much effort.
GW2 is not optimized worth a dime. I dissapeared for a year. When I came back, I had the same computer but with a faster video card (2 car dgenerations newer). The game performed WORSE.
Somewhere in the last year, Anet broke the game. It sucks for everyone now.
while i dont think thats true i do feel like it runs worse after i came back, and i upgraded pretty much everything by that point.
/shrug
This game should never have had any levels. It’s a crude, artificial and stupid way of handling character progression that should have died with Gary Gygax.
id be curious about that in single player games. i know ive been enjoying witcher 3 but i find leveling tiresome. gear i understood i guess. but the leveling? meh. just let me be max level, build a character so i can fight other max level c haracters.
i feel like leveling is hand holding.
Playing the game is apparently a grind now. Why even play?
i dont like leveling
i like playing the game
i dont find leveling to be a central point of my enjoyment.
id be totally happy with a game taht was like a mmo in every way except you dont have levels and you dont have to unlock skills.
but other then leveling i do enjoy this game, just putting that out there.
Try PvP then? For me leveling is part of playing the game, and GW2 makes it very easy/relaxing compared to most MMOs. If you skip leveling altogether, you’ll miss out on a large portion of the game, as well as all the gold, karma and crafting mats that you could use later to get gear.
no i wont, i can just go back to them at a later date and complete them.
easy peasy.
i dont have a problem with questing, or crafting, or doing dungeons, i like them. i just dont like doing them to level. i dont like leveling.
So from what I can tell the Skyline CPUs will have 20 PCIe lanes and with the right chipset support x8/x8/x4. The soon to arrive Broadwell for socket 1150 will still only support x8/x8 with it’s 16 PCIe lanes.
So if x16/x16/x8 is important, that only leaves you with the Haswell-E.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80648i75930k
wich is in fact what i have in store to get.
obviously the specific processor could change tho in the future, whose telling what my list will look like by the end of the summer!
Playing the game is apparently a grind now. Why even play?
i dont like leveling
i like playing the game
i dont find leveling to be a central point of my enjoyment.
id be totally happy with a game taht was like a mmo in every way except you dont have levels and you dont have to unlock skills.
but other then leveling i do enjoy this game, just putting that out there.
Where is this BS about i7s bringing out the “full potential” of multi GPUs coming from? The mainstream i5 and i7s are both quad cores. HT on an i7 simply lets a core be a bit more efficient at two threads than if those two threads were simply multitasking. If anything Haswell-E’s ability to allow x16/x16 over x8/x8 probably provides more of a kick.
there are games that are badly optimized for pc, assassin creed for example, though most games should be fine. i5 with some overclocking can be fine for optimized games in long run. though im pretty much talking about all games.
also, meh, since already spending much on getting such a extreme setup, spending another hundred to get i7 wouldn’t kill
right now for a haswell i7 its a bit more then 100 bucks more…. just saying
tho that may change by this fall
i just saw that link, so u completely overhaul ur system eh
looks good, no comment on the speaker, not a speaker personnot getting a storage hdd?
not replacing everything, i have a storage hd, and a computer case. and a couple other things.
Where is this BS about i7s bringing out the “full potential” of multi GPUs coming from? The mainstream i5 and i7s are both quad cores. HT on an i7 simply lets a core be a bit more efficient at two threads than if those two threads were simply multitasking. If anything Haswell-E’s ability to allow x16/x16 over x8/x8 probably provides more of a kick.
the one i picked does x16/x16/x8
hence the 2 video cards on my list
Oh ok, your experience is probably before pvp reward track/daily reward was introduced then.
Now, you get a load of tomes just from logging in 28 days, so level to 80 is kinda like a joke now.
ah sweet. good to know! i wasnt aware.
i5 is good enough for games
if you going for high end cards and not extreme cards, i5 is good enoughonly enthusiast will go for i7 since only i7 can easily bring out the full potential of dual graphic cards
the processor i have picked brings out the full potential of 2 cards, but not beyond that.
im limiting myself to two cards basically.
I am just curious OP, how long have you been playing, and what exactly do you do for leveling?
If you pvp all day every day, you should have at least one level 80 in less than 2 weeks, unless you lose a lot.
i stopped playing for a long time, i played spvp every day when it first came out.
Well Intel’s “Skylake” CPUs should be out Aug-Sept. Mainstream DDR-3 and DDR4 support.
hmm good to know, i guess it will depend on price
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8cT3XL
this is what im looking at right now. tho it will probably change by the time summer is over.
Well if you’ve really got your heart set on getting to 80 asap then try the Edge of the Mists. It’s basically a karma train but you get a lot of XP as well.
Although I do kinda feel like you’re missing out on the fact that the open world PvE experience really isn’t that bad.id be fine with doing it AFTER hitting 80
IMO this is exactly the wrong attitude to have. Just play the game, run around and have fun, and you’ll be 80 before you know it. If you insist on getting to max level ASAP then you can always craft your way there; a friend of mine leveled his ranger from 1 to 80 literally doing nothing but crafting, and it didn’t take him very long. Although he did have all his materials saved up from an earlier character.
sorry ive never had fun with leveling.
i bought this game when it first came out, highest character was 23 before taht because i got sick of leveling and just did spvp all day everyday.
Well you can do sPvP all day everyday and still level your character to 80. Based on what you are saying this might be the way to go.
You get leveling tomes from the reward tracks, and those come fairly frequently. So by doing just PvP you can get to level 80 by doing what you enjoy.
might be a good idea, tho ive noticed EoM gets a lot of karma heh
Just didn’t want you to spend that much on an “ecosystem” that’s on the way out.
I do want to point out that the Haswell-E line is a bit of overkill when it comes to gaming. You are spending a lot of money on not a lot of extra performance.
ya i know, but its whats needed right now to keep up with the future hardware. however if by the time im in position to buy the hardware and there is something that is cheaper/offers better performance ill purchase it instead.
Well if you’ve really got your heart set on getting to 80 asap then try the Edge of the Mists. It’s basically a karma train but you get a lot of XP as well.
Although I do kinda feel like you’re missing out on the fact that the open world PvE experience really isn’t that bad.id be fine with doing it AFTER hitting 80
IMO this is exactly the wrong attitude to have. Just play the game, run around and have fun, and you’ll be 80 before you know it. If you insist on getting to max level ASAP then you can always craft your way there; a friend of mine leveled his ranger from 1 to 80 literally doing nothing but crafting, and it didn’t take him very long. Although he did have all his materials saved up from an earlier character.
sorry ive never had fun with leveling.
i bought this game when it first came out, highest character was 23 before taht because i got sick of leveling and just did spvp all day everyday.
Ah, and Fx-4130, even worse, first gen Bulldozer core. At least it’s not 1st gen Phenom with it’s L3 cache issue and low clock speed.
And you don’t need to blow 2-3K on an entire new system. You can get a reasonable decent rig, DIY, for $1500. Be aware that we are on the cusp of DDR4 shift in RAM which will affect CPUs since they all currently have the memory controller built in. Late next year is AMD’s “Zen” line of CPUs and Intel has already started with their high end Haswell-E line, nothing mainstream yet.
im spending that much because i will be able to and i want to. and yes it will involve ddr4 and the proper new intel cpu and motherboard to take advantage of new and future hardware improvements.
i actually ahve my evolving list bookmarked lol.
hmmm think it could be because of my bios? there are 3 settings in it. power save, balanced, and some form of overclocking settings in my amd bios thing. its set to the overclock thing, temps are fine, but i wonder if thats actually causing other issues…
Well if you’ve really got your heart set on getting to 80 asap then try the Edge of the Mists. It’s basically a karma train but you get a lot of XP as well.
Although I do kinda feel like you’re missing out on the fact that the open world PvE experience really isn’t that bad.
id be fine with doing it AFTER hitting 80
750 watt psu so dont know if that would be it
i can play witcher 3 on low without issues and i can play evolve on medium. as well as dragon age inquisition, tho i know those are offline games.
Which is entirely immaterial to this discussion. Different engine, different style of game.
ya as i said i know those are offline (well not evolve but its wildly different) so it taxes things differently
ya i know amd isnt the best. gonna drop a hefty 2-3k on a entire rework to new stuff (and some fancy fun stuff) after this summer job. but right now, this is what i have to work with.
i can play witcher 3 on low without issues and i can play evolve on medium. as well as dragon age inquisition, tho i know those are offline games.
latest drivers for everything i know that much.
.amd fx 4130 quad core processor
motherboard is a sabertooth 990fx (first gen, not the later ones)
1080p settings.
i wonder if something is wrong. i know wvw is taxing but i have to put it in LOWEST possible settings to be playable.
amd 4.0 ghz quad core processor
radeon hd 6970 vid card
7200 hd hard drive
and 8 gb ddr3 ram.
i thought iw as ok, but i tried wvw and i get down to single digits if i dont put everything on low (save for that one thing that makes evertying pixilated)
i know i have a older computer by the parts. but i feel like i tshould still possibly run better then this. am i missing somethign? is something not optomized maybe?
to 80 that is.
i want to get to 80, i want to farm up some decent gear for wvw.
i know you scale to 80 but it really doesnt measure up power wise.
to note, im ok with pretty much every other aspect of this games grinds, just not the 1-80 thing. mainly because the one avenue i want to play in, WVW, KINDA requires (ok not relaly it just helps) to be 80. plus i want to be 80 so i can grind some cool looking gear too.
im 35 right now, and god…its frustrating. but mmo’s are the only online games taht let me customize my characters stats, gear, skills, and looks to the point i enjoy
i have in fact dodged off a cliff, i dodged right…but because the orientation my character was facing he dodged right and angled upward…resulting in my death.
its these type of things that keeps this game (among other things) form realizing potential, need precise controls, not sloppy ones.
All you need to do is hold the right-mouse down as you move to lock the camera. Then double tap whichever direction you need to dodge. The short cut way is to move in the direction you want to dodge, then just press V.
id vastly prefer dodging in the direction i push on screen rather then the direciton i push combined with the orientation of my character.
to be like world of warcraft?
by what i mean is as follows.
too often when playing i find when i try to dodge or use a skill that moves me it goes in the wrong direction because of the orientation my character is facing. this is because the camera is not locked behind me .
i want that camera locked behind me basically.
uhm, can i get a link for the changes?
GS/LB but you gotta know how to play it thou. In the right hands this setup destroys people, you can start first with hambow since it’s easier to learn.
i have to ask why is it harder? the only difference is yoru first set of bars….
GS builds are played with Berserker amulet (which is pure DPS) while every other warrior build is using a tanky amulet.
Of all the warrior weapons GS’s burst is the hardest to land.
You also don’t have any access to CC or blocks (however there is a short evasion on skill 3) with GS/Lb.
take some skills that let you land gs burst
take a secondary set that helps with CC
profit?
Sacrificing any defensive utility skill is a huge blow to your sustain. Giving up longbow on the other hand is just insane, longbow F1 is the only ability that will proc Cleansing Ire to cleanse conditions every single time you activate it even if you are blinded or hit no foes with your F1 which makes it your best condi cleansing. Longbow is the backbone of every viable warrior build.
is wvw that different?
i know wvw you can do a gs/hammer build for roaming
i wanted to do armorer/weaponcrafting for more skin unlocks
but i guess i did edge of the mists that time then, i thought i did wvw (didnt know they were different things)
how do you figure out where people are going? the one group said platinum something GOGOGO and they all started disapearing, i have no idea where they went.
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just wondering what you guys do. i only ask cuz i know hot is coming soon. and im gonna level a revenant but will want to come back to warrior too (double norn goodness). im level 23 right now, tried doing WVW but i followed one train and then everyone disappeared (i watched them disappear one by one, i have no idea where they went, they were no longer on the map, iw kitten confused as it was the first time i ever wvw and i didnt really know what i was doing)
PvP is good for the level up tomes. If you don’t pvp then the best place to level is Edge of the Mists. EotM is especially good when you’re the green color, because green is OP and has all the largest servers together.
this is how long its been since ive played
what is edge of the mists
where is it
what do you mean by when im the green color
the OP has a point
its pretty rediculous
but thankfully its not the endgame gear, its mainly for cosmetics, the only way it would suck is if you wanted the cosmetic.
using other mmo’s as a benchmark is a terrible troll attempt at a response
meta isnt killing hte game what it does is create a skill floor
if your not skilled enough to avoid all incoming damage and maximize your own and your uptime and trying to crutch yourself with subpar damage gear in exchange for eating more failed avoidance thats your perogative
i can agree exploits are not good tho.
just wondering what you guys do. i only ask cuz i know hot is coming soon. and im gonna level a revenant but will want to come back to warrior too (double norn goodness). im level 23 right now, tried doing WVW but i followed one train and then everyone disappeared (i watched them disappear one by one, i have no idea where they went, they were no longer on the map, iw kitten confused as it was the first time i ever wvw and i didnt really know what i was doing)
im starting to think fast hands while good is ultimately a fun “crutch”.
people want it baseline because of how fun/fluid it makes warriors
people dont want it baseline because of how powerful it is
its used regardless, in almost all specs, there are a few that dont.
so its either
A-too strong, needs removed with will nerf warriors horribly, resulting in a a LOT of compensation to put them on the level. the side effect is warrior will never again get that fun/fluidity back that fast hands gives. many people will stop playing warrior and possibly the game (as people have already stated they only play warrior because of it, they dislike 10 sec cd weapon swaps)
B-made baseline, people will whine as any class would enjoy such a trait/feature.
C-nothing changes, warriors will always go full dicipline just for it until the end of time
D-they put everything else good in the same slot, resulting in everyone picking fast hands and being nerfed into the ground at the same time. warriors will retain that fun/fluidity/lack of choices, but will be worse overall.
pick your poison
so what i gather, is we shouldnt have viable alternative choices in builds?
k
It’s a refusal to believe you can function without it (same as Cleansing Ire). It’s one of those traits that feels so nice to have you couldn’t imagine not having it. But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to be successful without.
you cannot be successful without it in pvp
so i guess, in pvp, we shouldnt have viable alternative choices?
dont give me that holier then thou pvp doesnt matter crap either
this isnt just for warrior, but any class, they shouldnt have viable alternatives? guess not according to a few people in here.
warrior would need a lot of changes in pvp to be viable without fasthands.
Alternative builds are nice and would be great, but the way Anet is heading currently seems to be streamlining several popular builds into similar but equally or more powerful versions, with their new elite specializations as the real “lure” for experimentation and diversification.
They try to balance with PvP as their main concern, because of a desire to become an e-sport or something, but what they’re doing is simplifying options and making an already easy to pick up game easier. Which might be a good thing, but I doubt it will do anything for the non-existent “pro” pvp scene. It might, on the other hand, solidify more PvE builds, and open up at least some spots for other professions to enter the dungeon meta. Altho that depends on nerfs to elementalists more than anything else.
so onec again nobody has a choice unless its
choose to spec well
choose to spec for suck
I tried to give you an answer keeping in mind what Anet’s intention seems to be. Whether that intention is healthy or not for the game is a different discussion. Even in GW1 that was harder to balance and had a LOT more options, there were several archetypes that ruled the meta in PvP and PvE, most of which remained unchanged over the years.
you gave me an answer
i summarized
this is why im enjoying warrior now but will be playing revenant when hot drops (then picking warrior back up down the line)
the future is pretty obvious right now.
there isnt a thing that they can do to replace fast hands without having to make a MULTITUDE of class changes to warrior, wich wont happen all at once.
the elite spec will either go unused, or will be completly bonkers overpowered. regardless there will be no spec diversity.
then, when fast hands is deleted, warriors will become everyones whipping boys in pvp unless again, if the elite is overpowered as all hell.
not looking forward to the mess, but enjoying warrior right now :P
GS/LB but you gotta know how to play it thou. In the right hands this setup destroys people, you can start first with hambow since it’s easier to learn.
i have to ask why is it harder? the only difference is yoru first set of bars….
GS builds are played with Berserker amulet (which is pure DPS) while every other warrior build is using a tanky amulet.
Of all the warrior weapons GS’s burst is the hardest to land.
You also don’t have any access to CC or blocks (however there is a short evasion on skill 3) with GS/Lb.
take some skills that let you land gs burst
take a secondary set that helps with CC
profit?
so what i gather, is we shouldnt have viable alternative choices in builds?
k
It’s a refusal to believe you can function without it (same as Cleansing Ire). It’s one of those traits that feels so nice to have you couldn’t imagine not having it. But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to be successful without.
you cannot be successful without it in pvp
so i guess, in pvp, we shouldnt have viable alternative choices?
dont give me that holier then thou pvp doesnt matter crap either
this isnt just for warrior, but any class, they shouldnt have viable alternatives? guess not according to a few people in here.
warrior would need a lot of changes in pvp to be viable without fasthands.
Alternative builds are nice and would be great, but the way Anet is heading currently seems to be streamlining several popular builds into similar but equally or more powerful versions, with their new elite specializations as the real “lure” for experimentation and diversification.
They try to balance with PvP as their main concern, because of a desire to become an e-sport or something, but what they’re doing is simplifying options and making an already easy to pick up game easier. Which might be a good thing, but I doubt it will do anything for the non-existent “pro” pvp scene. It might, on the other hand, solidify more PvE builds, and open up at least some spots for other professions to enter the dungeon meta. Altho that depends on nerfs to elementalists more than anything else.
so onec again nobody has a choice unless its
choose to spec well
choose to spec for suck
because there are people that want the warrior to be either one trick ponies or to just generally be nerfed to the ground