Guild Wars 2

I like coming back here to read these interesting names sylvari unite!

I get it because no one uses it in sPvP LOL

For constructive criticism, I’d have to say that this is a less than stellar idea. How long do you propose the elite skill stealths you for? If it’s the traditional 3 seconds heck let’s put it on par with Mass Invis and say 5, then after that short amount of time people would see the real thief appear and can safely ignore the elite since it does no damage. And it would only “attack” when you did anyway so it would be absolutely no threat. Furthermore, it dies once you become revealed is something that makes this sour. If a thief goes in stealth, it’s usually to follow up with an attack. Why don’t I just Cloak and Dagger, Blinding powder, Hide in Shadows, Blackpowder/heartseeker, smokescreen/heartseeker, heck even shadow refuge to open up an attack instead of using an elite skill that puts it on a ridiculously long cooldown for little usefulness to the problem I’m being faced with. Not to mention that those set you up for stealth to do damage, your elite skill, once poeple figure it out, will actually prevent you from doing damage since they know exactly what you’ll be doing. If the clone is running at them, so are you. It’s basically a big warning sign letting them know “Hey get ready to dodge!”
Finally, thieves shouldn’t get clones imo, mesmers get clones and stealth for a reason. Lore-wise, both professions use Deception Magic but even though mesmers can stealth, we can stealth far more in the same amount of time and have even more shadowsteps. Mesmers are also about confusion and mental manipulation whereas thieves are about speed and positioning, but no one cares about lore so I won’t go into that territory.
Overall I don’t think this would be a good idea. It lacks usefulness or rather loses usefulness very quickly, has it’s niche filled already by other utilities and those same utilities have much shorter cooldowns while offering essentially the same thing. You could argue that the clone would help in confusing players to help add new tactics to battle, I could argue that after a time people will already know what’s happening when they see a thief do a cast animation, disappear and then re-appear less than a second later, much shorter than a thief stealth should last. Let alone giving yourself away.

“Needless to say we don’t agree on the riskyness of getting knocked out. Just use a few of your many dodges within the shadow refuge” I’m sorry what? Try dodging a lot in that circle and see that it gets so much smaller when you need to maneuver inside of it. Not to mention thieves only have two dodges, like everyone else three if you get the trait that returns some endurance. The other dodges come from SD 3 and DD3, SD3 will surely send you out of the friggin’ field in the first place and DD3 is too short a dodge. And even if they didn’t, most ppl run inside the circle swinging away like a smart person should, so you use one of the attack dodges, you’ll hit them revealing yourself.

Doggie.3184:

Thieves are the masters of all weapons in reality. They just have amnesia currently.
They need to remember their Assassin roots.

“The bullet goes..here right?”
“No, it goes here in the loading chamber, for the third time.”
“Right and I point and shoot -shoots rifle-”
“WTF MY LEG SUNOVA-”
“Well I still know how to pull a trigger, can we try the axe next?”

What i don’t get is, the main disappointment is that the armor is no longer “unique”. You mean the armor that I see every other light armor classed human female wearing? The one that more than half of the people in Lion’s Arch that are afk in front of the bank wearing?

Robert Hrouda.1327:

Volrath.1473:

let me brake it down for you (and i do not play BS spec)

Basilisk Venom (Elite Skill) > Assassin’s Signet > Cloak and Dagger > Steal > move behind the target > Backstab

By now if you cant avoid a backstab on a 1v1 you are doing it wrong man.
When I’m caught off guard and unprepared is one thing but if I see him coming, no way he will be able to backstab me even once during the fight.

Pretty much this. There’s a lot of play in that build/combo, and so long as you keep your wits about you, you should be okay. There’s also some really interesting feints that can happen withb that build, where at the moment of cloaking, if you let them blow their invulns and dodge rolls early, you can take advantage of it. Everyone expects the damage to come ASAP, but if you delay it even a couple seconds players will blow their skills by over-reacting to it.

I can attest to this. I have found that by playing “patiently” I am more successful. I have four seconds of stealth which is a decent time to stick by them, or clones/pet/minions, and wait for them to stop moving and get a clear opening to restealth and proceed to go about fighting. I I rush, Im the one who ends up suffering, especially with necromancers. It feels good when Im invisible and start running along side them while the place their marks on the ground behind them not even knowing they are missing me, and when they are done, I’ll backstab

Perhaps due to the fact that those wraiths hold sentience whereas shadow fiends are not sentient. Necromancers spawn mindless minions, not minions that possess reason and thought

As a thief, the story missions were brutal in some cases. Bercilak was nearly impossible, the ONLY reason I beat him was because when he defeated me, he had half health and I spawned in a spot he didnt have time to run back and recover. The other mission i needed help on was the one where you use that sylvari sword to kill the lich. Lots of undead around him and the sword did no damage to them. The undead were relentless. What added insult to injury was that I knew i could take them on with regular daggers, but i was forced to use the sword. Those were the only two missions that got me angry, I reiterate, as a thief.

I was hoping for a feature, more quality of life change, for an auto gold to gem. In other words, if we have no gems and want something on the gem store, if we click it we would see how much gold would be “transmuted” and if we still want to, that respective amount of gold is taken from us, converted to gems and used to buy the item simultaneously

Mesmers are even worse you say and yet the thread is about thieves, or thiefs as the guys say these days

Everyone else said everything so yeah, great tips and overall fights. Im a stealth thief in wvw, acro in pvp, but its always nice to see an acro brother, keep it up

Idk why people are getting so mad that they are saying stealth should be just called invisibility when it doesn’t even assess the point the OP is making. But I’ll bite, since you guys want to bring hiding in shadows and bushes, that tells me you want to bring this on lore terms. For those that actually have a thief, we go “stealth” many ways, some of the main ones being throwing feathers of tufts of hair or even dropping a smokescreen to blind people rendering us “invisible”. The times we actually use magic to go in stealth via Shadow Refuge or Hide in Shadows can be technically considered stealth too. Take a game like the Halo series, Camoflauge technology works by bending light around the source essentially making you hide in darkness. So in that regard, thieves still do stealth, they do just as the skills suggests, hide in the shadows, if there is no light than there is darkness right? So they are hiding, games like Splinter Cell and MGS don’t have “magic” so stealthing is more realistic.

It’s about perception, even irl a stealthy person is invisible. invisible-not able to be seen. That’s the purpose of hiding in bushes or on ledges or what have you, it doesnt matter if they are hiding via technology or magic or flat out hiding, because to you, their target, they are invisible, no matter how they did it. So arguing that stealth is really invisibility is a futile argument sense they are basically the same thing, some of you are acting like the difference between stealth and invisibility is being able to see the person. If they are seen, they are being neither, if they aren’t seen they are both, which means, they are the same thing.

And as for OP, unless you roll a thief, you have no idea how much a crutch stealth is, because even that alone wont save you.

Yeah it hurts. Thief was my first class so i can safely say ive learned the ins and outs so i dont fold easy, and I can say ive brought more to the table than guardians, not in the form of buffs but in flat out making a dungeon easier. COF Path 3, I can stealth everyone past the bombs. COE I can Infil Arrow across the lasers making it so thats one less you have to worry about. COF Path 1, I can shadow step past the flaming boulders. I can rez when most cant thanks to shadow refuge. I dont need a stealth kit for hacking making me favored amongst my friends for those objectives. The dredge boss in FOTM, I can literally pull him into the oil aoe with scorpion wire making the fight 5x easier for you. when played well, we can make dungeons easy.

“Twenty? Yesterday they were ten!”
“Today, twen- *building falls and collapses on her
“……today, free?”

Serious Thought.5394:

Cuz pistols need damage rolls eyes. Totally not related to cost/gain or range. Nope, just damage…

to be fair, pistols do pull off sexy numbers now

Sons.5493:

i beg to differ, while a skilled thief would have a better chance vs another skilled players our current meta still puts us in a lower winning chance by game definition, a good shatter mesmer or a good ranger, heck even a good ele will just kitten the heck out of the skilled thief.

See the part where you said “heck even a good ele” DD eles in general I avoid. No just NO

IMO magi tech looked kinda bulky, as well as those scarlet gauntlets and shoulders

kta.6502:

Spira.4578:

Cynz.9437:

.. i never pretended to be good…. or did i?

This makes two of us.

So you two are finally admitting you’re part of the Nightmare Court? :P

They never said that. Maybe they just simply believe not all things have a right to grow.

Because all we do is +1

Thiefy joke for today done

This isn’t a rant thread I’m just curious, I notice the word “thiefs” get used an awful to obviously describe multiple, but isn’t it “thieves”? Am I missing something? Some sorta esoteric PC MMO gaming term? I mean I don’t say staffs, its staves, but I mean, yeah just wondering.

Soulstar.7812:

The drop rate is .4% on the wiki drop rate.
you need 4000 chests to get a 100% chance to get one weapon with the common coffers.

I have no clue what the drop rate of Rich Coffer, but if I had to guess from what others are saying it’s close to 1 out of a 100.

This isn’t how statistics work. Each individual coffer has less than a .4% drop rate of a ticket individually regardless of the others. That means that out of 4000, you may get no tickets. It’s like flipping a coin and it landing on heads six times in a row. You would think that on the 7th try, there is a high chance it will land on tails since it kept landing on heads. This is not true, as each trial is independent on the ones before it.

In conclusion, 4000 coffers may be too much or it may not be enough, but just because the first 2,000 didn’t get you a ticket, doesn’t mean the few will have a higher chance.

My main is a thief, that being said Im used to zipping around, avoiding battle changing stuns, going stealth often and keeping up high pressure on people. Yeah the low health is a turn off for many as well as the lack of CC, but it’s something you get used to. My second character was a necromancer,80 of course and I have played with her many times, in PvE. So I decided to run her in WvW (condition mancer 0/30/10/30/0) and I didnt kitten her, she has full exotic gear as well as runes of the undead so I thought she was pretty set and by the Gods. You guys have nothing to work with! Barely any evasion which forced me to get locked down with immobilize many times. Death Shroud helps everynow and then, I understand the mechanics of popping in and out of it to save it.

With conditions, the mentality is to wittle down your opponent which can get hectic when they are right on you cc’ing you and their teammates are there to help take you out. But overall, I’d say I just feel sluggish. No mobility, no reliable access of stun breaker, deathly swarm is one but let’s be honest, not that reliable since it needs to hit someone. And what’s up with the downed state?! When I go down Im at half health causing me to get eaten in like .3 seconds.

Regardless, it’s going to take some practice(and money) but I just wanted to say kudos to those who do well with the necromancer, from now on I’ll bow after a fight with one if I turn out the victor, if your teammates let me =_=. Cheers.

Honestly, engineers area thief’s main counter, or at least one of them. The playstyle is different but both classes are good in 1v1 or rather, the one that is supposed to be isn’t as good as it used to and the one that nobody seems to care about excels in 1v1 but has little escape abilities. Thief is high damage, engi has a lot of AOE’s. I want you to realize that, engineers will use a lot of aoe’s making them hard to fight melee range and even harder to hit while they are kiting you. So a typical DDthief, well any thief that focuses on melee really, this’ll be you vs. an engi VVVV

Aktium.9506:

While the Dunning-Kruger effect is very much real, Anets matchmaking that will actively try to make you lose to keep your w/l rate at an even 50% is also very much real. Its quite understandable that this system gets under the skin of many people.

Lol I’m not even going to lie, my unranked W/L is 50.7%, I personally know I perform well a majority of the time, but as mentioned, the individual doesn’t matter and ultimately I find myself taking a large chunk of the responsibility for a loss. Perhaps I should’ve decapped more, perhaps I should not have spent 2 minutes fighting that warrior or guardian. Even if you are at the top of the scoreboards, there is still someway you could’ve done better whether it mattered in the end or not.

Even though everyone else has said it, D/D didn’t get nerfed, you were never able to stack stealth with it legitimately like D/P, if anything it got buffed…true DD thieves UNITE

They also get wyverns, those alone outmatch out shiny features

When we use the pistol off hanf 5, makes the blinding aoe field, we like to jump through it alot, you may think I am crazy but when you see them cast that, stand in it. They will heartseeker into you revealing themselves for 3 seconds. When you see them cast it, an alternative is to quickly Use Doom so that way you made them waste half of their initiative, stakitten works well too. And save you DS, use it to eat backstab damage. Tainted shackles works well too now hope I helped

This has been mentioned awhile ago by I feel like it needs to be revisited

So much info is missing, how much might did you have? How much vulnerability did he have?

Hi, could you explain a bit better? If you are wondering how we stealth and do damage at the same time then unless it’s via conditions, it’s not possible, stealth breaks upon dealing direct damage. As to how we stealth long, we normally only stealth for 3-4 seconds max. Shadow refuge on the other hand stealths for 15 seconds, 10 of which allow you to move freely. Jumping through a smoke field ala heartseeker allows for stacking stealth as well but at the cost of initiative, blasting a smoke field has the same effect.

Shinjo.6092:

Why the double standard?

Because he wants a class nerfed and his untouched to make the game easier for him. That’s what it comes down to really.

An alternative to oZii’s post is 0/30/20/0/20, runes of the necromancer. I don’t need to say what traits since they are self-explanatory, except go with Reaper’s protection instead of greater marks for that extra fear. And if you want, a fear when downed for another fear.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

RedSpectrum.1975:

To compensate, a thief’s skills are not as powerful(by themselves)as other class skills.

12-16k Damage in one hit begs to differ.
Initiative was a failed experiment. However – this is Anet and we all know that they REFUSE to accept taking blame when they have done something SO stupid or SO broken and would rather just force EVERYONE to live with it.

Dhuumfire is an example before its release Necromancers were ALL saying that they didnt need or want it and what do you know…It was too powerful so rather than say “kitten we made a mistake, sorry” they just went ahead and kept nerfing it and everything else they could get there hands on….

Once again, let’s take a number that’s only high because of critical values, might stacks and position and assume that that is that skill’s actual power rating

backstab
Eviscerate

So backstab from the front, which happens often mind you, only hits for around 400 which is pretty basic. From behind however it still only hits for around 800. It gets its numbers from might stacks and crits. By itself, the skill is not a god skill. Eviscerate on the other hand Hits much harder at its strongest point, doesn’t need to hit from behind AND has more range. And I’ve seen some nasty numbers from that skill. I seriously think people just find anything they can to bash this class.

agreed, this would make browsing so much easier

SpiritSpeakerOfHoelbrak.3980:

This is true but to say wep sets dont make certain things easier would be a lie. s/d is alot harder than d/p and i respect thieves that not just go stealth and reset the fight 600 times its annoying and uncalled for. plus there highest burst is when they are invis. imagine if kill shot warrior could go invis and still do its 15k dmg that would be op. But thief does it and naw man its balance. #doublestandardsareOP

Have you ever considered that maybe if backstab was accessible outside of stealth, then maybe thieves would stealth less? Or maybe if warrior worked like thief, maybe the warrior in your example only has killshot when he is stealthed?

Now I understand with the whole theme of it’s war sacrifices must be made. But Your character, in my opinion, doesn’t seem affected by things that would normally destroy a person’s morale. I blasted my own crew to bits and shrugged that off? And as for decision to find that female charr pilot or kill Nekandezzar, I knew that he would be the choice, but I didn’t expect my characters to make a choice like that so quickly. And the fact that she probably would have lived had we gotten there sooner yet your characters don’t recognize this fact as a typical person would. They are also so calm when they were the only ones not killed by that undead norn hunter while everyone around them were picked off one by one. I understand its an MMO so story really isn’t the upfront thing to worry about but still, just thought Id put a few examples to explain my point.

If it’s within reason, I’d like this. It would give moves like deathblossom and vital more viability with powerbuilds…and clusterbomb would just get better

THIEVES, ITS THIEVES NOT THIEFS OR THEIFS OR THEEFS

Lol i want to know how much gold i wouldve had, had I not used a single waypoint

Oh no, what will I do without my 2 silver!?

(Is it 2 silver actually? I’ve never payed attention because of how insignificant it is)

Candy Crush turns are only a dollar and yet the app has made a billion, don’t let that mentality of “It’s just 2 silver” getchya, that adds up, not that Im saying I dont mindlessly waypoint

Just opening a discussion here, would it be over powered if our class skill counted as a stun breaker? On one hand some would consider it OP since no class should have access to a free stunbreaker just by being that class, but on the other hand Anet wanted thieves to be the slippery class with a lot of mobility. And afterall, even when CC’d, we can still steal, but it won,t negate the CC effect. What do you guys think?

I actually like checking it. Sometimes I want my sylvari walking around in casual areas with her anon hood looking all cute dark and evil.

Save it for when they charge dat killshot then be amazed.

And make it so that when we have to dodge, we enter a quick time sequence and have to press 3 randomly displayed keys on screen or else we get hit

The heal will prioritize what it gets rid of inherently first, then the traits cleanse will pick from the leftovers

wookie.8934:

This will likely be patched. Don’t hold your breath.

If thieves can use it it will be patched

not an ingame photo but a commissioned one. She’s the silent type

wdspeck.8723:

Sylvari thief as well lol. But DEFINITELY D/D burst. I’m not really into the whole condition damage thing. I switched out S/P for P/P. At least in PvE. Last night in WvW I kind of messed around with it. It did okay. But I’ll certainly look into SB.

Apparently dem Sylvari know how to thief it up, but anyway you should def try SB, don’e get me wrong, I love P/P, but SB does have multiple target hitting AND lets you be an escape artist.

Yashi.8703:

Thanks all for the kind feedback

No Yashi thank you for giving us something to reflect on.

Here is his newest vid in case no one has seen it yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEEYhovtwBo nice job once again Yishis