Guild Wars 2

I have accepted that the scythe will probably not be in this game, especially since they have a skin for it, but I can dream right? So I figured if their was a two handed weapon introduced that thieves could use ( and necros), it would be scythe, since thieves essentially are assassin/ninja archetypes, and it will be the quickest two handed melee weapon. I’ll try to go into actual numbers (taking into consideration attack speed and what not) but I could whip up a few conditions and initiative costs as my main goal is to start the train running, if anything seems OP feel free to correct it but don’t get kitten, it’s not even real…yet, and this does cleave up to three targets suggestions are welcome Necromancer Scythe:
Scythe
Auto attack:
Scythe swipe 220 (1/3)
Range: 130
Swing your scythe in a quick horizontal motion. Becomes Harvest.

Harvest 220 (1/3)
Range:130
A quick 360 spin with your scythe in a horizontal motion, becomes Reap.

Reap 300 (1/2)
Blood (3s): 165 dmg
Range:130
Finish with a downward slash down the middle of your foe, inflicts bleeding.

Stealth
Umbra Slash 450 (1/4)
Range:130
Torment (3s): 123 if still, 247 if moving
Reap your foe from the shadows, dealing damage and inflicting torment.

#2 Rake(3/4):
3 initiative
Damage:200
Range: 450
Vulnerability: 2 stacks (4s)
Combo Finisher: Leap
Do a swift dash toward your foe, sweeping up with your scythe and inflicting vulnerability.

#3(A) Gyro (1/2)
4 initiative
Damage: 260
Range:130
Slice your foe followed by a quick evasion toward their opposite side, becomes False Mercy.

#3 (B) False Mercy(1/2)
2 initiative
Damage: 235
Range: 130
Tap your scythe tip into your foe, transferring 1 condition to them.

#4 Achluophobia (1/4)
4 initiative
Damage: 350
Range: 900
Max # of targets: 3
Combo Finisher: Physical Projectile
Immobilize: (1.5s)
Slice blades of darkness toward your foe inflicting immobilizing them. Bounces between targets.

#5(A) Feint
4 initiative
Damage: 520
Block Duration: 2s
Range: 130
Raise your scythe to block the next attack, if blocked follow up with a powerful sweep, can be broken prematurely for Phantom Blade.

#5(B) Phantom Blade (1/2)
2 initiative
Damage: 530
Stealth: 3s
Blindness: 2s
Range:130
An extremely quick spin slashing your opponent while shrouding shadows over yourself. Stealth.

Yup, you know what time it is! But no really can we please see what damage we are doing to the thing in stealth in our combat log? That’s my only real gripe. It doesn’t make sense how stealth makes you invisible to the combat feed as well. That way say if a thief is in SR, and I hit him, I can at least make an educated guess if I did enough dmg to him to down him in stealth and therefore keep swinging or not even bother.

At least a makeover kit, please Anet?

Seems legit.

Duke Nukem.6783:

i was hoping the patch would nerf all the things about the theif that were brokenly overpowered, sadly this was not the case.

they still can engage and escape without consequence with stealth while 3 to 6 people chase after them looking like fools because they can do nothing to stop them

they still do overwhelming damage to a single target thats broken by comparison to anyone else

they still chase down a target so easily with their constant dagger leaps and high no cooldowns

im aware that this is where theifs usually go to ask eachother how to be more OP so yea bring on the backlash…and dont say that ranger counters stealth…..it doesnt

1. You were hoping our stealth, evades and high single target damage would be nerfed, so you want free loot bags? Up levelds are there for that

2. If the thief disengaged, that’s a loss. And don’t group all thieves together. DP thieves are known for that, SD SP and maybe even DD thieves are in it to win it and cant escape easily. This is because DP can stealth at will. If they carry Shadow refuge and 3-6 people cant knock him out of it, something was wrong and you guys honestly deserved to be made into “fools”.

3.Thats what we are supposed to do, so while they are bursting one person, the other 2 to 5 should have been bursting him, oh and warriors say hello.

4. An experienced thief will not waste initiative chasing someone down for fear they will double back and retaliate when we are on our “cooldown”. Oh and initiative has its drawbacks, try a thief out sometime. Complain about Shadowstep steal and shadowsot (or Infil signet or Infil strike) or complain about spam, but dont complain about both, in fact, dont complain about any.

5. We dont ask each other how to be more OP, we normally ask each other how to even stand a chance since posts like this crippled us severely. Most thieves here dare I say arent even that classic cookiecutter backstab build so yeah. Oh and you’re a ranger? Thieves counter rangers, screw Sic’ Em. So it’s like a mouse complaining cats are OP, but even the cats have dogs to worry about. And I’ve seen some really nice rangers before so this is my first time saying it but it’s a l2p thing. Good day

I like when my sylvari gets defeated then revived, she’s like :“I’M UP, I’m up” as if she was caught sleeping on the job XD

Or when i finish somebody off in pvpwvw, she’s like “Oh, that had to hurt”

I can safely say that creation of that detail in a game like this will never happen

You answered your own question pretty much. Unless you use that thiefsmer build, you’re going to be spamming unload, which isn’t that powerful. Now then, let’s assume you aren’t condi specced, the auto attack is rather laughable, so this means your main source of damage is coming from Unload. Nothing wrong with that…or is there? See Unload essentially becomes your bread and butter attack for P/P, not the auto attack, unless you use condi specs, but you normally wouldnt be doing P/P anyway. Back to the point, your bread and butter attack isn’t your auto attack, which means it uses initiative, which means that if you want to use any of the other moves that quite frankly have no synergy with your bread and butter attack (Unload in case we forgot), you have to sacrifice some initiative, which means less unloading and more lolpewing. That’s the problem, no synergy, little damage, and too slow it seems: no built in evade or stealth like literally every other weapon set the thief has.

I will admit, I was scepticle of an entire server RP’ing. I thought people were exaggerating……..my god was I wrong. Bravo to you guys, bravo.

Lately as I’ve been reading these threads here I’m starting to see what everyone is complaining about and I’m getting kinda upset:

Engineers- should be nerfed, it doesn’t make sense how one class can run around in circles and spam away explosion and conditions while I’m dancing the marked for death dance, and whatever damage I do they just heal back up. No room for error.

Warriors-Honestly they don’t die when I do a fairly strong burst. And when I use conditions, they just Shake it off or Cleansing Ire or heck the Healing Signet mitigates damage far too well, not to mention they can just run away from combat at will and even when on a thief I can barely catch up to them, also, endure pain and berserkers stance..nuff said here, why are these even a thing?

Mesmers- Like this is honestly one of the most passive power based fighting styles I’ve seen, and it’s unfair. They sit back while their phantasms and clones do all of the damage. Or they can sit in stealth and still dish out that huge amount damage, and not get revealed. And people complain about thieves? And while we are on that topic…

Thief-Far too much stealth, far too much evades. One thief has access to unlimited stealth and evades and blinks than anyone can keep track of. Even as a thief I hate these guys. At least they get revealed when they attack you, but what’s the point since by that time you are looking up at them while on the ground as they stomp you saying “GG” in say chat then proceeding to jump up and down and /sit on your defeated body

Necromancers- The conditions and rate at which these guys can apply them is absurd. Mostly in an aoe too! To boot, they can transfer conditions back at you. Okay then fight them up close, lolnope, they can actually take a hit. Honestly have defense against conditions or melee, but why both? This is very OP imo.

Elementalist- Weakness class yeah right, how certain specs have more burst potential than even the glassiest of thieves. And they heal up a significant amount of damage without even using their kitten heal skill first. And I swear they cheat, whenever they use Shocking Aura or whatever it lasts like four seconds yet when I tried it it lasted for like .5 seconds. And the mobility! the OP active defenses!

Guardian- Like, why does a heavy armor class have so much passive healing? Only put to shame by Warrior and even then, these guys are tough! Why do they have blinks!? Shouldn’t mesmers and thieves have blinks? And why do their blinks hurt?? OP nuff said OP, if I cant kill it in one opening burst it is OP

Rangers- These guys are fine

Ironic, how the sword autoattack for rangers uses attacks that inherently require a lot of movement, yet it roots you.

Thieves should balance a dagger on one hand’s index finger while twirling a ring of keys on the other

General Rule of thumb

D/D: Pros-Basic to get a grasp of, Powerful moreso than D/P, Shines when there are multiple targets to CnD off of

Cons-Few skills to use, Get’s more punishing as amount of targets decrease, it’s most essential attack uses half of your initiative therefore a miss can mean death.

D/P: Pros-Can stealth at will, offers a lot of blinds, has a wide array of tools to use

Cons-For someone new it can’t just be picked up you need to learn what to do with it, less damage than D/D, more initiative consuming than D/D

Important note: DD is easier to just pick up and play with however it hits it’s self-effectiveness very early. What do I mean by this, I mean the weapons can only do so much for you by themselves before it really comes down to just you who will be the reason for failure. That being said, D/D will only give you a powerful stealth stab and a gap closer/finisher. It gives you very little and it’s up to you to compensate with even more practice.

D/P on the other hand offers a much higher self-effectiveness. Yes, it’s harder to pick-up since you need to know what every skill does and when to use them so you don’t run of initiative but it offers so much in terms of tools. The weapon-set does more for you than D/D before the stage comes to where the difference between you and other D/P thieves is the amount of practice you put into the set.

Uh-huh.

Can we please have it Anet? it looks like a katana, and looks awesome. Pretty please!!

Nope, sylvari are fascinated with death. Its a mystery to them, in fact, a sylvari necro is rather normal, look at Trahearne. play on

What do you think it is? Personally I think the more generic the more unappealing so with that being said, human warrior. I mean how basic can you get? For those that have one you know who you are<.<

It was, but your wolf Bite Yer Bum kinda made me lol and ruined the feel moment :P

When you’re having a dodgeball fight and you tell your team to stack…..

As a veteran thief I’ll say this: if you enjoy the class and perform well with it, stick with it. While extreme however, they aren’t wrong. Spvp is an area we are the worst in, whereas WvW we are still roamers, but you’ll have a difficult time against an experienced roamer of another class. As for PvE, it’s not like we are terrible, it’s just that there are better options- I hate to say it. There are other class options that can take a hit and still offer the same amount, if not more dps.

It really doesn’t matter, the only way I can see that 13% damage actually mattering is if you find yourself in a 1v1 in WvWvW when you have full exotic with berzerkers gear and your opponent having full ascended exotic gear, see how exact that scenario is? Let’s take this to pve, we’ve been wrecking mobs with masterwork items. Ascended only really matters in dungeons. In summary, you don’t even need Ascended. 13% damage? What are you trying to have a spree of 1v1’s in WvW? Do you suck at killing NPC enemies? They simply aren’t needed and if you don’t like how you acquire them then don’t buy them because I cannot stress enough, in most cases they aren’t needed

Sir Vincent III.1286:

I wonder how long it will take for someone to realize the purpose of this thread…hmm.

You think you’re so kittening clever don’t you? I had you figured from the start:
Nerfing stealth and evades would render the thief class useless officially, no amount of good play would save us. Simultaneously giving us access to quickness and swiftness would give a facade of a buff making players bring their thieves into PvP. They’d be lambs to the slaughter. After the copious amounts of threads complaining about it Anet would eventually delete the class entirely and remove all traces of it. With your main obstacle out of the way since DD condi is making a return, you’d get in your Revenant you have stashed away since they’d no doubt give them someone good in place of a pulsing reveal since the one class they did have that could abuse it is gone. Upon receiving these buffs you’d then go into copious amounts of pvp to finally get that Champion Ritualist title you’ve so coveted, except Dragonhunters would be a main threat. But by so cleverly deleting the thief, people would direct most attention to the broken nature of the DH, causing them to be nerfed to oblivion. As people abscond to other classes that aren’t thief and guardian, the Revenant will naturally have a good shot at them making them rage and quit the game. As more and more people leave you’ll gather their belongings to hoard as much gold as possible using it to raise the prices of everything on the trading post. With the price of gems now at an all time high Anet will lose out on supporters causing them to have to pull the plug. In the desolate wasteland that is now GW2 you’ll then be free to reshape the world in your image.

A made a thread on the thief forums about how, in my opinion, scythes should be introduced and given to two classes: Thief and Necromancer Scythes For Thieves. Thief mainly because a scythe is a ninja weapon in various media but ultimately, the necromancer should wield this fantastic weapon So before I go on, this is indeed a melee two-hander, I also speculate that if introduces, it will be the fastest of the two handed melee weapons, and it can cleave up to three targets. I please urge you to read the thief version first as, like with daggers, the scythe moves are similar to an extent I also tried to give you guys mobility Constructive Criticism is welcome to avoid amazing OPness
Scythe
Dark Swipe300 (1/3)
Range: 130
Swing your scythe in a horizontal motion, becomes Dark Harvest.

Dark Harvest 315 (1/3)
Range: 130
Do a quick 360 degree spin with your scythe, slicing across your foe’s middle, becomes Soul Reap.

Soul Reap 430 (1/2)
Range: 130
Life force gain: 100%>-2% LF, 50%>-4%LF, 25%>- 6%LF
Finish with a downward slash on your opponent, steal life force as your foe gets weaker.

#2 Red Rain 800 (x5) 2 1/2(Duration)
Cooldown: 7s
Bleeding: 5 stacks (8s)-1300dmg
Blind: 2 seconds
Range: 130
Blind your foe, then follow up with a flurry of slashes, bleeding your foe with each successful hit. Roots.

#3 Blood Loss 410 (1/4)
Cooldown: 17 seconds
Daze: 2s
Range: 130
A extremely quick slash with your scythe to major arteries, causing massive blood loss and fatigue(daze).

#4Become the Dark 390
Cooldown: 35 seconds: no target hit
25 seconds: target hit
Immobilize: 2 seconds
Torment: 2 stacks (3s): 225 is still, 450 if moving
Range: 1000
Melt into the ground, becoming a swift shadow and moving toward your foe, inflicting immobilize and torment.

#5 Fear the Reaper 450 (3)
Cooldown: 45 seconds
Fear: 3 seconds if Life Force is above 50%
Chill: 5 seconds if Life Force is below 50%
Radius: 240
Combo Finisher: Blast
Do ritualistic movements with your scythe, ending in a 360 degree spin. Cause AOE Fear if LF is above 50%, AOE Chill if LF is 50% or lower.

“Shawtell what the hell are you doing get over here and fight!”
“Cant sorry guys, revealed for the next 30 seconds, have fun….ooooo that looks like it hurt……”

Acharyn.4738:

Oidmetala.8426:

@Acharyn
i dont know what you whant to say, but i think it is something like this.
“you cant take me seriously because you like how the sylvaris look at the moment and so its good because you can be happy with this”

so ok, im fine with the existing sylvari faces and hairs, i dont whant a change.

i just ask or please anet
that there will be in future 1 or 2 new faces and hairs look like some of this artworks i found. (for example the 3 of Ragnars post, looks still like sylvaris but looks rly good!)

for me the sylvaris are at the moment really dragon minions like a post in this
forum sayed.
if you try to create a sylvari it leads 80% to zombie looks and 20% to
a bit good looking female sylvaris. (thats just my mind about that)

if the most ppls like that im fine with that,
i just ask for a long hair style and a bit better looking face (if there will come more in the future)

picture 1 dragon minions.
picture 2 the closest way for me how i get my sylvari look ok

No, I can’t take you seriously because…

“whant”, “rly”, “sayed”, “ppls”, “im”

English isn’t your first language, is it? Also, “Sylvari” is the plural. Not “sylvaris”. Try looking up how to use apostrophes.

It’s a forum, not an English classroom. Even if words were intentionally spelled incorrectly, the OP still got their point across. They didn’t butcher the post making it unreadable and English isn’t their first language. No need to be so irate for no reason.

But he is lvl 54 which means he obviously has an 80 warrior he plays far more since most don’t delve into their alts as furiously as their main.

No really, thank you. This is my first time posting a pseudo-feedback thread since launch because at this point in time I feel like I desperately need too. In regards to the recent flame whiplash, I have to say that while it was not in your best favor to put a cultural reskin on the gem store, at the same token I am upset that it is being taken away from everyone. I have a human, two actually and I am not at all upset that other races were getting a variant of the human cultural armor. In fact, a lot of people don’t care about others getting cultural armor. But then why don’t you see any of these people? The answer is simple: Those people don’t feel the need to post on the forums. From a statistical standpoint, if you are posting on the forums, you are posting a complaint because those are the people that feel as though their voices need to be heard. When in reality there is a ton more voices you don’t hear because they are at the very least content or understanding with the content you guys work so hard to bring out for us, for free. Am I saying I’ve been happy with each and every single thing you’ve done? Of course not, but that’s part of being human (no joke intentional there) but I have at least been understanding and respectful of the fact that you guys have given us this stuff for free and that you try so hard to please your fan base. The only problem is like I said, the only fan base you hear are the complaints which gives the illusion that they are the majority.

In closing, I feel like many more of us need to make more threads when we appreciate something you’ve done. Because as it stands many of us are showing you appreciation by not saying anything because we are at least content. While that is not necessarily a bad thing, it has proven to be a less than satisfactory method to show gratitude. I have seen a couple threads about the new armor “scandal” in which people say that that was their first time posting since pre-launch or etc. Why was that their first time? Because they were unhappy about a change. So you can assume that with all of the other things you’ve done, those people accepted your updates and patches and remained silent about it. So here is another one of very few posts saying, thank you. I understand you cannot please everyone, that comes with anything. But you guys are giving it your all to please most of us. I thank you for the lack of a sub fee, I thank you for the free additional content, I thank you for the occasional armors you dish out making me want to work to get it. I am upset that the majority are hidden behind a negative and selective few.

mattmd.8162:

My least favorite part of MMOs is how they have these unique classes/jobs and they don’t explain literally any of it. you’re a necromancer? Cool, you steal the souls of the dead. No one seems to care or really notice that you do this, but when a dragon does it its a HUGE DEAL. Then suddenly you learn to use a greatsword. Okay, not a big deal for you I guess.

The NPCs (that if you didn’t participate in season 1 and just magically appear as part of the story) have a better back story than you. Even better, the little pieces of backstory about your character are finished a few hours into the game. Plus any remaining character development you can control (personality) was removed.

You appear out of nowhere, kill great evil, and that’s it. I’ll give anet credit. It’s not as bad as with WoW where you literally appear fully grown out of nowhere and routinely murder world-threatening creatures only to be completely disconnected and unacknowledged in the story. But at this point that’s exactly where characters are heading. I don’t have a home, I don’t have any side stories, I have friends I’VE NEVER MET BEFORE.

I guess to sum it up my problem with it is that you as a character aren’t the focus and that sucks. There was some of that in the beginning, now there is hardly any. Ex: Charr can save their father/friend and never see them again. Why not? Isn’t that a little side thing worth pursuing or mentioning?

/end rant

Zhaitan necromancy and player necromancy are actually two different necromancies. Players weave flesh and bone to make mindless minions, Zhaitan literally brings back the dead, soul and all, under his corruption.

assassin.7895:

initiative is not the problem.

thief is too weak to condis,
suspectible to blind and weakness,
has bad weapon skills,
gets countered by scrapper,chrono, rev, dh, tempest and is outsustained by reaper, druid

In other words, thief all around sucks is what you’re saying

SoLeciTO.3490:

This is what i feel when i see our thief community.

It’s not that we feel pro, I acknowledge I’m giving myself an unfair advantage. It just feels right. D/D is our iconic weaponset. That and Im a human being so naturally I dislike what everyone else likes like Flappy Bird, D/P, Apple Inc., and Pewdiepie

we are squishy but some armor can fix that. but as a thief your agility is literally your best defense, and stealth depending on your weapons. I role dagger dagger so stealth and I are best friends. It gets easier the more you play

Reh.5986:

Those fights would be so epic without having to pre spam your heal 20 seconds before you think you’ll need it. Funny thing is if you can manage to get a reflect up you will wreck so many people spamming ranged auto.

AoE, boons and condis are probably the main issues. Though you can actually feel some lag before the fights even start.

LMAO! “Alright my guts telling me my behind is gonna eat a heavy burst soon so imma queue up dis heal right here, HOLY kitten I was right! And there’s the heal seven seconds later!”

The talk between the Sylvari and the Asura in the Grove by the gate, I don’t know the whole thing so here’s a sample:
“After that question about turtles in the desert you crossed its wires. I don’t know how you did it but you wierded out my golem!”

“Your golem? You created it? So does that make you the mother or the father?”

“Well I guess that makes me the- oh no, you’re not getting in my head…”

I do believe in the saying “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” and therefore what I may consider “sexy” you may not.

Does no one care that one of the pets is basically a dragon???

75.72% is not true at all unless they have healing gear. Shadow Arts is even the healing power line and if I am on low health and use the full duration of shadow refuge to heal myself via Shadow’s Rejuvenation, I find it pretty consistent that my health stops around the half way mark when the stealth wears away. And thats also with Valk gear. Clerics or or healing gear may net those results but I would love to see a thief running those

About 80% of my fights were: Invulnerable, invulnerable, invulnerable, block, blockittenk, block, block, invulnerable, evade, 3k, block, block, invulnerable.

In the calmest way possible, what the hell happened to the meta? This was every class except thief minus Bandits defense and the amount of dodging but I was already used to that BS. Warriors I used to be able to take on if I needed, but I have to avoid them now unless one is weak. They can take a lot of damage, neglect a metric kitten ton of damage and deal back the same if not more damage than I can. Guardians are also up there but maybe they’ve always been that way, I forget. It basically seems the only classes I can actually duel are necromancers (still risky), elementalists, and other thieves (still risky if equal or greater experience). Literally everything else either mitigates and bursts you out out sustaines the hell out of you with the sheer amount of blocking and invulnerabilities. You can’t do anything as a thief now, you’re not the highest dps dealer, youre sure as hell not the tankier person on the field.Or maybe I’m just bad.

Bumping for great justice for pvp reward trax

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

Would you say this ability is fair?

Knowing that any any minute a thief can stomp me and i have absolutely zero ways of countering/fighting against it, really infuriates me.

Doesn’t it only stomp you if the final hit would have downed you anyway? It’s not like I can use this on someone with full health and stomp them if all hits connect.

In Divinty;s Reach hearing that female : “uh uhuhuh uh uh”

You find yourself wearing hoodies more
You get extremely defensive over others opinions on you
You look at leather coats when you need a new one
You find only dark colors in your closet
You never look at people’s backs the same way….

I laughed way too hard at th potential hate that may start to be going on in the chat

I’m glad I’m not the only one then. Wasted six initiative a bit before coming right here to see if it was the patch

As much as I hate these new traps, it’s not as bad as it seems. I’ll admit we are acting like there is a trap every 2 feet but they are most likely used in keep and around camps. So you just need to be wary when around major areas that are called out in map chat a lot. And if you are suddenly stripped from stealth out of nowhere…..run, dont look back just run.

Hey now, calling us vile is kinda mean. Besides, why go through this much effort to create a build designed around countering one class? Tbh, thief counters ranger since we can ignore the pet for the most part and fight the ranger while the pet struggles to catch up, or we can stealth off of it. it’s like making a fire type pokemon team that is good against water types. Regardless, rapid fire, sic em, and after my brief ranger session today, Counter on GS is LOL, Idk why GS rangers dont use this against thieves more often. AOES like traps and torch work well too, no new build needed

Only THREE people have actually taken the time to thank this man (or woman) for their insight. THIS WONT HAPPEN AGAIN GUYS. To OP: thank you for understanding

Basically to summarize:
A lot if people hate stealth since they don’t know how to deal with it and refuse to learn how. thieves hands down have the most access to stealth AND SA buffs the stealth we so abuse. Now because if this a lot of people believe this class to be even easier than the warrior class (lol) so other thieves sometimes go on pride runs to use builds that don’t use stealth to prove they don’t need it, but then they are usually heavily evasive and people still complain anyway. In summary, the ones who hate SA are usually the ones who hate thieves period…..or stealth

As a bonus note, many and I mean many people dont realize most thieves use stealth 80% jut to do damage, not even to annoy or disorient. If a guardians invulnerable elite skill was spammable and had to be used before the guardian could do any meaningful damage, the same would apply here, they aren’t going invulnerable to annoy you, that’s one of the only ways they can get meaningful hits out

Belinda’s greatsword :O the katana/nodachi

flanking strike simply means that when you are attacking people from the side or behind, your attacks (usually your auto attack if your circling your opponent) will do even more damage, backstab itself it the auto attack skill for dagger main hand when you are in stealth. from the front, backstab is like any other attack, just does damage. From the side or behind however, it does superior damage, added on to the fact that flanking strike already increases any attack from the side or behind, backstab gets really powerful.

LightningBlaze.4913:

More likely this is because most thieves overuse the constant stealth mechanic in wvw.

But you can’t blame them, see how long you’ll last with an evasion build when a large group finds you.