Guild Wars 2

Barbelo.5916:

The gw2lfg post asked for an “experienced” mesmer with full berserker gear.

That’s your warning right there.

Those guys were playing a different game from the rest of us. I don’t envy them – their enjoyment of the game must be very shallow, their people skills seem dismal, at best, and if their actions are indicative, their values can’t be giving them a great experience of life either. Be grateful that at least GW2 is keeping them off the streets.

Oh Robert.
How you have no clue about your own game.
I could send 10 different thieves i know to you and everyone of them would down you in seconds because they actually can play and know how to abuse mechanics that a ranger could never get.

No matter how much you defend your opinion, ranger is bottom tier when it comes to class balance.
Engies just got a kitten huge buff and we’re still rotting.

Also take a look at gw2lfg.com
Did you ever, in those … 8 months(?) see a post that asks for a ranger?
They are kitten from the beginning and you guys don’t do anything to fix it. There are so many bugs and flaws it hurts to just log on with one.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

[…]but Ranger to me isn’t a burst class – it’s a sustain and survive class.

You can’t really avoid a ranger’s sustained damage, but you can mitigate nearly all of a thief’s burst with really fast reaction and smart play.

Maybe you guys should prioritize LB’s sustained dps then. As it stands, after you’ve blown the 2-5, every second you spend using your 1 a kitten dies.

As much as I like Rob as a dev, I think I would love nothing more than to seek him out repeatedly in WvW on every class I have and rip him apart just to showcase how far that ‘sustained dps’ is getting the class.

Burnfall.9573:

I normally read the thief forum and would make comments in our defense….

Wait what? Rangers need defending on the thief forums? Do thieves think we are OP and in need of a good nerf?

I don’t see anything wrong with what Robert posted on the thief forums. However I do have the feeling he mostly plays sPvP, and I would like to read about his experience in wvw as well. I don’t play much sPvP, but when I did my ranger did feel alright in there. Wvw I often feel useless. I tried to get away from 2 mesmers yesterday who started chasing me between briar and bay and cought up around the jumping puzzle. I had sword/great sword, signet of the hunt, warhorn. What was really interesting is that they used some drowning skill from the water when I was on land. It was “interesting” seeing my ranger being pulled “down” on the beach. I cannot express how much I hate mesmers and thieves without my post turning into something a cat fetishist would post.

FOR GREAT ACHIEVEMENT!

Sometimes I just like the repetition of running supply. Take supply. Hike/waypoint. Repair. Waypoint/hike. Take supply. Etc.

I don’t need a badge for that because I get badges on the inside. Warm and fuzzy internal badges. Or cookies. Cookies are nice.

I’m a Gandarian player for a long time and only playing WvW(mostly EB) nothing else. This is my evaluation about the server.
It’s not about great fights or superb guilds, its about habbits.

-If there is no commander log out or switch to a BL with an online active commander.
-If we can gather enough zerg power to destroy anything, it turns out a loot bag hunting session instead of capturing or defending.
-There is an endless discussion about SM if it’s important or not.
-Nearly no one cares about dolyaks or upgrading camps. They are there for experience and karma.
-%90 of golem attacks from our side occur at late night-early morning just to troll enemy. If we capture an enemy keep, thats because someone bored and throwed some golems at 5am. It has never been a tactic. Golems = Trolling machines.
-There is always at least 10 commanders in EB without activating their blue icons just because their high esteem may get hurt or its tiresome. Because of that there is no active commanders in EB %70 of the time.
-If we have outmanned buff no one cares about losing a fully upgraded t3 tower with lots of siege on it. It’s normal to lose it because we were outmaned even if it’s defendable by 5 people.
-Gandara borderlands and EB are our first priorities, second is JP, third is daily, fourth leveling another alt, fifth petting the cat and maybe sixth one is the other borderlands. Never attack other borderlands before ours is fully safe.
-Our first supply sources are unfinished upgrading towers.
-If 3 trebs attacking, repair the wall but never build anti siege.
-It is impossible for us to put 2 rams infront of a gate. The first one comes instantly and if someone ask for a second, people will throw five and none of them are going to get complete.

Bethryn.4087:

Honestly, I see KISS – during primetime – with a large tail of PUGs more often than not.

Now, if AG is so starved of commanders that only KISS and FURY (and more recently NR) can tag up, and that’s why there are always so many pugs following you, that’d make sense.

But given a server your size, I’d be surprised if that was the case.

More often than not, our guild groups (Dius, MM, xXx, JDGE) will run with Commander off during primetime, to avoid attract PUGtails.

If you’re consistently deciding not to do that, then you are intent on attracting PUGs to create a zerg.

Which is ‘ok’ by itself, but it’s silly to just try and make it seem as if you have no hand in it happening.

Very fair comments here. If Aurora Glade groups do flag on Commanders Its because of the Baruch Bay and Riverside blobs. Its hard for your guild to follow with different computer specs and fast movements with 80+ I mean lets be serious. If Aurora Glade and Gandara are going to constantly accuse each other of Blobs we should seriously take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

Aurora Glade has some excellent guilds
Gandara has some excellent guilds too.

Gandara have been in tier 3 Gandara have also had hands on with the BB blobs.
Aurara glade have been stuck in T4 for months Vs FSP BB Riverside constant blobs.

Everyone has the right to kitten and moan although Gandara and Aurora Glade are few and far between when it comes wanting to play with the GOOD productive guilds that EACH server provides.

The 2 servers are like 2 needles in a haystack forced to blob at times against dumb FSP RS BB numbers come prime-time nothing we can do about it.

In general I would like to take my hat off to Gandara as a server, very productive and lots of fun to fight.

Cheers for the reply.

piker.6790:

source: AG player on 24 January 2013

I S U P E R S I N I.4761

Being as we had the pleasure of playing with [XxX] last week, I would just like to say we really enjoyed having you on Aurora Glade for the week. Great support you offered, in the things AG did in last weeks match up.

I would like to ask if you would consider returning to the server, being as you are clearly the best guild on Gandara Currently. I would just like to ask you to rejoin us before its to late. “give it some serious thought eh?”

Thanks for the help, and thanks for the fights this week its been a lot of fun.
IGN: Disaproval
guild: [KISS]Alliance
server: Aurora Glade

I would like to Add Piker, when you returned to Gandara the following week, we had some good fights against you in the good old days. Then you had a couple of our members move over to Gandara who really liked you’r style.

I do not know what happened between you guys all I can say is that kiss has not changed. We run with friendly commanders that I can admit gathers a few players from Aurora glade on a daily basis enjoy following us around. KISS plays as a guild or at least aims too.

We really enjoyed fighting you in the old days, on a realistic note I would like to remind you that KISS is a casual PVE guild, that populates world vs world. Your moaning about a friendly social none elite guild that plays for fun. If you cant deal with that then maybe you have to find your own solution or try improving yourself as a guild. IF we are not worth the fight to you stop trying and stop crying.

Being honest I think because you can no longer wipe KISS it frustrates you. Go chill out on EB as you have claimed in previous post’s. you would not go to any borderlands because of the KISS/UNTY/RDDT groups.

I read through the Gandara website forums today. It was amusing to see all you guys moan about is KISS blob this KISS blob that 40+ this at 4am 10 of us killed 38705614 KISS inside there garrison.

Its a joke to see. I can give you specific numbers every day of the week to the hour.
Monday to Friday – 7pm 10+ kiss members with no commanders. (on split borderlands)
Monday to Friday – 8pm 15/20 kiss members with commanders.
Monday to Friday – between the hours of: 9pm -1 am 25-30 with possibly 5 LoE.
this so-called 4am 40 man zerg is more like 10-15 KISS + any awake Aurora glade players.

Friday night reset – KISS can gather 40-80 players on 1 borderland If its not over populated by the rest of Aurora Glades guilds. These figures are from me being the leader and the main commander of the guild. Please stop making things out to be worse than they are.. this includes all of your comments about advising KISS members to run 20-30 and playing properly.

You make it sound much much worse than it actually is. all of Aurora glades try hard to work together on selected borderlands. It does not mean we blob blob blob.

I would like to add that one of the two x KISS members you have in xXx still attend our ts3 on a weekly basis, they still enjoy playing with us in pve.

On a different note It was great fun keeping Gandara guilds like Duis YaK xXx IC WvW busy for over 2 hours. While you get self obsessed with the wanting to kill or re-claim the camp. you was not busy claiming other keeps or towers. It was a lot of fun and I am sure both servers had lots of lootbags to gain.

I did see alot of /salute’s /waves from both servers. All the trolling here is coming directly from xXx because they simply raged off over a unsuccessful attempt at wiping the enemy. Which is a weekly acceptance on the Gw2 forums when it comes to Gandara vs Aurora Glade.

Just remember its you guys with the problem… ….so seriously please quit the drama.

Good luck to everyone and take it easy.

Am I the only one sitting in pure disbelief? Not in amazed disbelief either – simply acknowledging the fact that we’re being lied to again?

We’ve heard this before, and our underwater skills got a buff, and pretty much everything else got nerfed.

Call me a skeptic, but I’ll believe it a month after it happens (to allow them time to “fix” the fixes.)

Remember the shortbow animation “fix”. Also remember the last time JP told us Rangers were getting love.

Bro, don’t hate on all the spikes I get. Everyone knows the amount of spikes you get is a measure of how much skills you got in WvW 8-)

Goodness there is a lot of rage in here. I think some of you need to think about why KISS bring out such strong emotions in you, particularly if they are as ‘bad’ as you like to try and convince everyone.

Next time you come to the forums to rant and cry because you died stop for a moment, remember this is just a game and take some deep breaths. Then re-read what you were about to post and realise how whiny and stupid it makes you look.

KISS be quiet, XxX be quiet would make this thread less popcorn worthy.

I appreciate both of your efforts, XxX for killing loads of dudes and fighting for Gandara’s and stuff, and KISS for your flame ram tactics and the percentage of badges we get from you guys (I’m sure your server appreciates you more but less whining from everyone would be very nice.

No offense Nem, but every single week I see you guys involved in a discussion about numbers and arguing about it throughout the thread with whoever you’ve acxused or whoever has accused you, no matter how wrong they are -‘no u noob’ ‘we had this number’, does it not get repetitive at times? You guys are good at what you do, and we know there’s a language barrier and stuff, but if I’m being harsh I think you guys sound a bit too whiny on the forums, stop talking to them and prove them wrong by wiping their assumedly sorry kittens, y’know?

KISS we know you’re on of the less appreciated AG guilds, seeing as I think you’re supposed to be larger or something, or less difficult to fight in some ways, but stop baiting the XxX guys, and don’t rise to any comments they make/glad them yourselves :/ i swear we can’t have one week without several days of drama like this, and Dius seem to be more uptight with the popcorn these days -_- I’m sure you were the sole reason that you were ticking [insert number nominally higher than the other two] at some given point in time, and I’m sure you guys never ran low on supplies for many hours, but we don’t need to hear about all your accomplishments, I’m sure my fellow Gandarans are just posting in frustration because they couldn’t kill you and your allies, so why not mention that in a non-hostile way, instead of ‘we camped that supply camp and we onnlly were running 45 in our guild group, but because of that we held back 52 guild groups and constantly were ticking >9000’, which I think is overcreditting yourselves in a way. You could say ‘because we holding X at this location, our lovely and capable team mates were able to do Y and hence we achieved Z, which is why we did X’ or something non-evil, you know?

I’ve forgotten what my poin- oh yeah, play nice children…

Boomstin.3460:

Sebrent.3625:

Or … they may notice something that isn’t pairing right, working correct, etc. and fix it.
Or … they’ll notice completely wrong tooltips and fix them.
Or … they’ll notice the information we would like to have on tooltips and fix them.

Good luck with that. In 7 months the list hasn’t gotten any shorter so i’m sure the next 7 months will be different :P

“Pessimists are usually right and optimists are usually wrong but all the great changes have been accomplished by optimists.”
? Thomas L. Friedman

KrisHQ.4719:

Nemesys.7251:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsjh1VVjT20

some fight,the first part show how AG dont zerg,video are better than screenshoot,and ty arenanet to let us play without culling.

You have got to learn to read the replies!

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I just noticed i had a screenshot laying around from a great fight against BB, so i’ll go ahead and attach it!
As you can see from the attached photos this fight was pretty exciting.
I have not counted the total numbers of BB, but i counted our numbers to the total of 4-5 people. Two of them are obvious, and if you look closely you can see a third and fourth one near the entrance to the camp.
I’m of course not being totally honest here, since 4-6 people from AG may have fled inside the camp where i unfortunately cannot see them anymore.
But a very exciting fight it was!
(As you can read from the chat, we might have knocked on the door.They wouldn’t open sadface)

Just because you’re in a fight where your server doesn’t outnumber the enemy doesn’t mean your server doesn’t zerg/blob/whatever. I have a lot of videos where the guild I’m in is fighting big blobs, that does not mean gandara doesn’t blob, because of course it does.

Try and understand that every single server blobs, with differing numbers depending on time and server, but the same mentality: safety in numbers. I don’t personally like it, but it’s a sound tactic, which is why every server does it to some extent.

Every server also has guilds / roamers that don’t participate as much in the blobbing, but even those guilds would disagree what a blob is. A 5-10 man guild might find a 20-25 man guild a blob, where a 20 man guild finds a 30-40 man guild a blob. Then there’s the possibility of several of these guilds teaming up (by accident or intentional) giving even wider variance in the numbers.

This is where a lot of extra tension in these forums comes from. One guild accusing another of blobbing and the other denying the claim simply because they have a different perception of what blobbing is. In the end there is no point complaining about it, except possibly to Anet or your own server mates, as you’ll never convince the ‘enemy’ to adjust their style to your preference.

In the meantime, just try and have fun, as every server also has smaller groups running around, although usually coordinated guild groups and solo players doing their thing.

So I think the most notable event I’d been a part of was the EBG jumping puzzle, where literally 40 AG were, most of which were GWSA guild waiting for portal… So i was up top when this Mesmer came along, he jumped down and – well it was too tempting, so I Sanctuary’d the portal, up they go then plop back down was surprised no stability pop, but I got a lot of lootbags from that. Later I knocked all their mesmers (4) from the top chest, which kind of served them right for all grouping up on an edge

Quite fun that, and tbh I think I was doing AG a favour; I did tell the Gandaran commander of the time to concentrate Red side though.

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

We always, ALWAYS win (the one time we didn’t was because of an exploit!) and as such we are always Green. This makes WvW Map completion very difficult to get.

First-World Tyrian Problems at its finest.

If you want to face Gandaran guilds in GvG start thinking about 10v10, 15v15 formats and stop beeing kittens. We have exactly two guilds who break 20 man cap on a regular basis, rest is lucky to get 15 people.

If you don’t want to reduce numbers for that stop QQing.

Less QQ more pewpew and we all be happy.

For the folks having a go at XxX. You’ve routinely said in this thread about respect and how wonderful your communication between guilds is.

XxX don’t do GvG, they have their play style and they’ve said if you wanna have a go, come at them while they’re running on a BL. Yet none of you have respected that you’ve resorted to petty comments aimed at the guild in question.

English isn’t their first language and I respect that they do attempt to communicate with the server at large even though they might struggle in doing so.

If you want to face of against them, then use your ‘excellent’ communication skills to track them down and have at it, that’s all they’ve said. You want the face off? Work for it!

I suggest we no longer use the word “blob” and use “Barbra Streisand” now instead

Turn that QQ into Choo Choo and start your own Swagtrain bro.

This is probably the dumbest discussion on the internet right now.

I understand the concept of overall balance > individual class, similarly, there is a very vocal minority who do complain and cry about the death of the ranger. Sure, there are people who will defend a class, and rightfully so, especially if it’s a class they ejoy playing.

My issue is that as a Ranger, I now feel pigeonholed. I love my GS, and I love the new buffs to it (would have loved a Blast Finished on Maul, but eh), however the utilities rangers have do not compliment play styles – SoH is characteristically a staple (especially in WvW), so that’s one slot down, I’m now left with;

• Shouts – More or less useless unless you are heavily pet focused, with the possiblility of Protect Me and Search and Rescue (both very niche abilities, and in the case of S&R, a long CD). It is also worth noting the state of pets and their current AI, which, honestly, has been discussed to death. /paragraph here about how ‘static’ pets create a dichotomy between an ‘action’ mmo with dodging and pets who eat AoEs with vehement zeal.
• Signets – Once again, Signet of the Hunt is a staple, however the rest, unless used in conjunction with Signet of the Beastmaster are fairly bland, and usually not worth activating, and do not offer much utility to your group.
• Spirits – As much as I do not want to beat a dead horse, this horse deserves the beating, rightfully so. Spirits are a fantastic idea, it’s a shame they don’t live up to their potential. Internal cooldowns, flimsy spirits that die as soon as an enemy so much as looks at them (all while being out shined, outclassed and outdone by Banners), effects (both passive and active) which scale poorly at 80, all while losing other possible utilities make Spirits, unfortunately, something rangers will overlook, and who could blame them.
• Survival – The sole utility type which I have always found to be a Ranger’s best friend – outshining pretty much all the other utility types. Muddy Terrain, pre-26th QZ, LR and of course, the ultimate of Entangle all provide fantastic utility function and benefit from Wilderness Knowledge. I have always been iffy about Sharpening Stone, however it may have its place.
• Traps – These abilities are probably the only thing worthwhile (currently), picking up on a ranger, however in doing this, you lose out other utility abilities which define the ranger as a “skirmisher”. The other issue I have with traps (aside from the meta it locks you into, is that you are basically required to throw 30 points into Skirmishing in order to maximize the potential of traps, sadly the secondary characteristic of this tree doesn’t seem to synergise well with the concept of traps (especially given as +condition damage or duration would be much, much better).

I, myself have played a GS ranger since BWE1; I’ve adjusted to the changes up until now; I’ve tried plenty of builds, plenty of gear combinations, and despite all that, I am feeling the effects of the quickness nerf.

I do understand why the nerf was implimented, and needed to be done, I just think rangers may not have gotten enough consideration/remuneration for what they’ve lost. QZ was one of the the most flexible, versatile and useful utilities – not only could it help squeeze out a little more damage, but also quickness res allies in dungeons, gather a little quicker when under attack and allow some pets (I’m looking at you Drake), to actually hit things with their F2 abilities. (I will ignore the sPvP ramifications such as quickness stomp because I believe that is a different meta, and there are many skills/effects which differ between pvp and pve. Along those lines, dungeons and PvP should never, ever, ever, ever, ever be used as a ‘testing’ ground for classes, especially considering that open world content is a very, very different kettle of fish).

The gimping of Swiftness, especially with no change being made to Zephyr’s Speed, hurt many rangers who found this a fantastic trait and utility.

I am curious as to what build the Developers play – no offence, it’s easy to say “I played my ranger, and Tyria quaked underneath my power – my enemies absconded as soon as I cast a glance in their direction, I ran dungeons with a group of fellow developers without a hitch”, link your builds, explain your play style, the choices you made, what you believe your ranger brings to any situation. Then let the community – the people loving your game, supporting you and your creation and consuming your product be the judge – let us understand what the kitten you’re thinking.

I loved my Ranger, I loved that I could be a melee ranger, perhaps I wanted it to be too much like a White Lion from WAR – synergy between yourself and your pet, being in the thick of the action with a pet who supports you as much as you support it. However, on the flip side I am now finding much more enjoyment with another class.

Robert, please read and answer Xsorus’s post. No one can formulate our ideas better – he mentioned everything and quoted Jon Peters, so there must be some respect to his words. It’s been a long while and you sound like “usual situation after the patch – they will get used to it and stop QQing”. Not we won’t. Cause it’s not about the patch – it’s about everything. First of all not fixing what was promised to be fixed an eternity ago.

You also mention pets, spirits, LB. So….will it take one more eternity to fix it before you buff and fix every other class in the game?

We don’t want to be the pew pew 1 shot Gods of PvP. We wan’t the diversity and perfect work and redesign of our skills and mechanics in order to PROPERLY play this class. Don’t you understand?

Nobody says that Rangers are very bad in PvP. They can kill stuff. But it could have been much more fun if they had worked properly.

Thank you, Robert, anyways. I know that you are not the one to blame. The one to blame will not appear on this forums anymore.

One problem with rangers is the lack of build diversity created by a number of sub par utility skills. Many signets, a shout or two, and spirits are all a bit lackluster. That is the first place to expect improvements. Second is trying to improve the feel/ pacing on some weapons.

This was posted by Jon in November…

He states in this post the problems with the Ranger class, so lets narrow that down.

1. Lack of Build Diversity created by Subpar utility skills
Has build Diversity increased since then? No…The builds and abilities used in November are pretty much the same. So his number 1 stated problem hasn’t been fixed.

2. Many Signets, a Shout or two, and spirits are all Lackluster.
Many Signets suggest more then 1 signet, the only signet improved since November has been Signet of the Hunt, which received a speed increase along with everyone else. So either he didn’t know the Ranger class at the time and took a guess..Or they think our Signets are perfectly fine right now.

Shouts, They improved 2 shouts since November, Sick’Em which while it got a nice improvement is lackluster because our pets, and also because it BREAKS if you use anything while its up. The other is Guard, which you turned around and Nerfed back to its useless state…So again..Not much of an improvement on this front.

Spirits..I covered that in the last post, The Dev team didn’t do much to really fix that issue….They’re still as useless as ever, and you manage to even gut them on Guardians at the same time..which is rather impressive work I might add. So no real improvements done here.

So as you can see, his first two points in his original post, as left us with a massive failure on the Developers part. But hey..We’re just upset over Quickness being nerfed grin

So lets move to the final point.

Improve the feel and pacing on some weapons..

I’m going to assume when he said this..He actually mean Greatsword and the Underwater weapons… Cause those are the only ones that got an update. I will give him credit for the Greatsword changes, You guys have come a long way in bringing our Greatsword back up to the level is was in beta before you over nerfed it into the ground.

However I hear Longbow might be a problem, and I look forward to checking it out in August to see what you guys have changed in the patch.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

I’m still here and lurking about (as is the balance team), gathering information to bring to meetings. For the first couple days after a patch, people are still figuring things out and getting used to changes. We didn’t kill rangers (I was doing some PvP last night, and have done a couple dungeon runs). It’s just that there’s a predictable reaction to when we change something, that we have killed classes and destroyed builds, and there’s nothing I can say or do to help in those situations. Sometimes you have to sit back and let the community sort themselves out… people depend on something (quickness) and then when that gets changed, there’s an initial period of confusion, but its always followed by “look what I can do” because people are being forced to try new things, and they do a bit of experimenting they may have not have done before.
Sure things need more attention. LB, pets, spirits.. they all need some love on our part, and they will get it. I may not be the best PvP’r out there, but I was first/second place on my team in the three games I played as a ranger (deer rank!), and I was still effective against other classes. the new quickness speed will take some getting used to, but it by no means destroyed rangers.

But me going into every thread about someone claiming bad things and giving expressions isn’t going to help (there are also a lot of those threads that I just wouldn’t be able to keep track of due to time constraints). So I sit back, watch, take notes for meetings, and try to find a good time to post to help guide the conversation.

That is a valid point, Unless you actually play the Ranger, and know its hogwash.

The only way you can try something new out is if you actually have something else to fall back on.

Powerbuilds that relied on Quickness didn’t use it because it was the most amazing ability ever, They used it because it was basically the ONLY thing they had available.

What do you expect Powerbuilds to use? Sharpening Stones? Traps? Maybe they can pop one more of our 120 Second cooldown signets and invest 30 points into the Powerline so it’ll work on themselves..otherwise have it remain half as effective as every other class with Signets.

Maybe you think Spirits are a good choice, Has your metrics seen an uptick in Spirits being used? I mean afterall..You stated spirits are a problem, so I’m guessing they haven’t.

Problem with that is that was already told to us in November by Jon, which we turned around and saw how that was handled…an increase of 35% to 50% proc chance on an ability with a 10 second ICD…. and a health increase that didn’t really help, Because it was a % increase on a already low health target.

So you have to understand why us Rangers are annoyed…It seems you don’t right now as you view us as “Well they’re just acting silly cause they think their class is destroyed” which we don’t..I don’t think our class is destroyed, Quickness didn’t affect our 2 strongest builds..However it did limit the options on an already limited class, And the developers after 5 months haven’t done squat but made us better Swimmers.

In fact we’ve gotten weaker in the past 5 months…If we’re considered the worse class 5 months ago, And all the changes the Devs have done have ended up making the class weaker..You’re not helping the situation..