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Lyssa’s Grimoire – a guide every Mesmer should read.
This is my favourite minigame so far, I shed a tear when they said its not permanent :’(
1. I don’t like that Mesmers cannot summon clones on invulnerable NPCs. Necros and Rangers can still send their pets on invulnerable NPCs but because skills do not work on invulnerable NPCs we cant summon clones; which leaves us completely vulnerable to attack and we do not have the gear and other self-surviving skills to compensate for it.
we do not have the gear and other self-surviving skills to compensate for it.
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Which profession are you playing?
Mesmer has some of the best active defense out there, and most of them work without illusions :/. Besides, only completely new players will mistake a clone for a mesmer, in pvp.
edit: as far as i know, illusion hp got buffed. They dint have to stay alive anyway, you can shatter them for vigor or let them die for weakness. Clones dont really do anything if you let them stay there :/.
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This is exactly where the mesmer stands in pvp.
Pretty good for duels.
Rubbish for mass fights, pretty useless in wvw zergs.
Token veil and portal.
Overall not a very good class at all for wvw, which is exactly why you dont see alot. (targeting and single target dmg priority issue)
This is their exact position as they stand.
Mesmers are usefull everywhere, even zergs.
Mesmers contribute:
_You wont see “1337 dps numbers”, but if you know what youre doing, youll definitely be usefull in ways most dont understand.
I like 10/10/20/30 for dps/support.
For dps mode I just take phantasm traits and take dps weapons, (or feedback+focus if needed), Which is usually with an experienced group of people I know.
For support mode ill take sword focus/staff and signet of inspiration. Cleric’s gear with altruism runes.
I always use omnomberry cream for boon duration/magic find.
You have nearly best acces to boons, or all phantasm traits when the situation calls for it, I like it ;D
Take 5 out of duellig and put it in illusions, and youve got something.
Shatttered conditions wont do much good for this build, because youre taking phantasm traits to make them a high source of damage, and you just dont want to shatter them!
I would still recommend taking 10 out of duelling and putting them in domination, though.
The wiki is correct, youll heal about 2700 on 300 healing power with mantra healing. Its the best Healling Per Second we have, but you spend alot of time channeling it :/.
edit: @valarauka he said hes using full zerker, hes using a pistol, and im guessing a greatsword and sword, it looks like a phantasm build, and thats all just going by the trait allocation. Ofcourse, I could be completely wrong :/.
2nd edit: oh, he never aftually specified pistol ;0. I guess I got that from another thread, and im too tired go think properly >__<.
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You should probably enjoy DE before it gets “reworked” on the 15th.
OMG D’;
I would like it if reflects and delayed projectiles didnt always reveal us :’(
Its so annoying having to wait autoattacking with a staff for 3 seconds just ti be able to stealth >__<
Thats a small to do list, kind of makes me wish I had a build to add to it :P.
Besides, if you ever need help editing something or something, I’m here if you need me.
Is that for me or Ross?
For ross :P
Just keep the condumable as it is, but add a permanent one thats 1000 gems and not usable in wvw (except spawnpoints where youre invulnerable).
It also costs 3.5 silver for a trait reset like it does normally.
:D
What does /v/ mean :o?
its a catch all for PvP/PvE/PvD usually i just right it PvX. Although I could have just missed that target entirely
/v/ is a board on the site 4chan, which, to put it simply, is one of the most immature and trollish sites on the internet.
I do know Something Awful, whose forumers are notorious for trolling, chose a GW2 server to gather on. I also know what server it is, but I suspect it’s against forum rules to say which it is, and unfair to the decent people who joined the server without knowing it was the SA hub.
Oooh, I see.
When I first started on seafarers rest in the beta, a friends also told me 4chan was making it their home server.
There were some guilds called “no fun allowed [fun]” and others with the fun tag.
Then I joined grawl just wanna have [fun], and some people raised an eyebriw _.
At launch I went in Aurira Glade anyway, so i didnt notice much trolling.
I also think they switched to far shiverpeak, I hear horrible stories from there on the forum :o.
i’m skeptical about colesy’s suggestion, i mean, if my thief who is not even full berserker is having problems surviving at fractal 15, then how am i gonna take a mesmer to 30?
if glassier builds is the way to go though, i do have a staff ele that i am decent at using, though i messed up my build a long time ago, it being my first character, i have an ascended PTV ring that i am too stubborn to delete, lol… otherwise everything except for my back is berserker. would i have better chances getting to fractal 30 on a staff ele?
Colesy cares about doing everything as fast and efficiently as possible, if youre not interested in that, feel fred to ignore him because thats all he can do.
Surviving comes first.
What does /v/ mean :o?
Osicat. His thread is sticked in the mesmer forum and will have alot of links to his channel and videos
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Sword focus greatsword will work nicely for dungeons.
Use 10/10/0/25/0 as traits. Inspiration carries vital reflection traits, which can nullify alot of damage in most dungeons!
Ranged and burst dont really mix on most professions.
I would recommend a shatter Mesmer! Tge playstyle looks something like: when you want to burst someone, you get close and unleash low cooldown skills in a certain order, that will instantly down players who dobt know what theyre doing. (Most of them)
This combo can be done every 12, and while it recharges, you use your many evades, teleports and stealths.
Shatter mesmer has an incredible skillcap, because you have to use mobility and othwr active defense to survive.
It is, however, very difficult to start out with, due to the current meta, but the reward for learning it is huge!
If youre in an EU server, I can meet you up in game, if not, you can still ehisper me or send a forum PM if you have questions regarding the game/pvp/professions/mesmer.
Also, you start with all gear available, so you dont have to level first for pvp ;)
Are you on EU or NA?
As others said, its a server issue, and really, not all servers are like that.
If you ever have questions about mechanics/professions/fashion, feel free to whisper/forum PM me, Im always willing to help ^__^
If youre on an EU server, you can even guest for free and we can run dungeons together :o. Most pugs don’t care about fun, they just want their pixels as fast and easy as possible, and thats why they resort to lame and boring strategies like stacking :/.
Luckily, I know a few people that arent that reward driven ;D
The guild im in is full of friendly players (at least the ones who talk) who also dont mind answering silly questions.
There are friendly people, but there are also people who enjoy hurting you. You just have to look right
. (The forum is a great place, btw)
Ofcourse, it only works if youre EU :’(
Go full berserker armor and weapons, knight trinkets.
You van use rare trinkets, because youll be replacing them with berserker/knight/cavalier ascended at some point.
If you dont have much money available, you van start with rare berserker armor too, and later you can decide how much exotic berserker and knight you want.
I would avoid taking vitality, its rather useless imo.
I personally use berserker helm/shoulder/coat/skirt for dps use in all formats, and switch them with berserker/cavalier/knight trinkets. (But berserker in easy dungeons).
Just add a guardian or mesmer to your 3 thieves, and it should be fine.
The reflections are really usefull in some fractals.
Also, if you have trouble surviving, you can try letting an ele/engi/guardian/mesmer run a support build.
soory with teh engrish, not make gud talk but wnat to help maybe how you say septis make rnage help you for kick teh poop in teh pants more
Hey, our 4 numbers are almost the same :D.
Also, why is it that, when I look in your post history, your messages in the past used nearly flawless english?
I think I should divide the list by US and EU. Could yall post which you’re on?
Thats a great idea!
And while we’re at it, it would be cool if ranks in game were EU or US too. Like ‘EU teacher’ and ‘US teacher’.
I havent gotten many whispers yet though :’(
And I’m EU.
Beep
…I mean bump!
Everything between the stereotypes is mostly known as hybrid. For the mesmer that probably means:
Shatter —- Hybrid —- Phantasm
DD —- Hybrid —- Condition
Damage —- Hybrid —- SurvivalThings that can also be implemented to make a hybrid as mesmer: Mantras, signets, interrupts, stealth, etc…
So most setups end up to be hybridy as a result.
Not to mention speccing fully for a single thing is much less effective than making a hybrid (but not for condition/direct).
something like: 100% damage/50% support hybrid, with 10/10/0/25.
75% damage/100% mobility with a shatter build with a staff.
etc etc.
going 100% damage with 30/30/0/0/10 and 2 greatswords is a really bad idea :P.
I think it isnt intended :C it happened in the cullin patch, and I really dont like it >__<.
Its a huge advantage in pvp O.o
You could try a ruin!
Theres one with pillars and a little bit of space between, perfect for ambushes/being sneaky! Theres also some really cool places that you can blink up, like to a cannon and shoot a bullet, and then jump down again.
The remaining 2 spots should definitely be more “tanky” professions, so they can stand down there and make sense of teh situation/counter ambushes and backstabs etc.
Or maybe an engineer with turrets and grenades… that uses mesmer portals to get on tricky to reach places.
As for skills: Unload while running behind pillars, Warrior with a hammer ‘surprising’ thieves that sneak up on him, ele that uses that ‘lightning pull’ from the zephyr sanctum with a lightning hammer equipped. And ofcourse the mesmers get all the awesum things!
3 mesmer styles: a condition mesmer that stays at medium range mainly on ground level, a phantasm mesmer that blinks around, between the higher elevations and pillars, and an ‘in your face’ mesmer with dual lightsabres swords.
Adding a shatter one would be cool, but describing the same shatter over and over again would get a bit tiring, i assume :/.
Then again, I didn’t even know that story you wrote existed, so I’ll read it later :o
If you want I can make some quick screenies of what teh environment could look like!
I really like the smaller body types for females… But there really isnt enough choice if you want to go for the bigger breasts.
Breast size is one of those genetic things, not the result of a nighttime fairy visit. There’s no physiological reason for sylvari females to have them, but they’re included in the template the Pale Tree is working from.
Imagine what we’d all look like if the only human the Mother ever saw was Dolly Parton. Or Marilyn Manson. Or NOT. Forget I ever said that bit, and let’s embrace what diversity we do have, because we all could have easily been popping out of the same Play-Doh mold instead.
I do appreciate the diversity, I just asked for new ones to be added, not existing ones changed :P.
Besides, last time I checked, the majority of all human female npcs + players use the body type with the hugely inflated boobs .__.
I always run support/damage ‘hybrids’ in dungeons.
10/10/20/30/0, with one berserker/knight set with traveler, a cleric set with altruism and a berserker set with ruby orbs.
3 assesory sets: berserker, knight/cavalier, cleric.
The trait template is a phantasm dps, but it doubles as boon support + healing when the situation calls for it.
Edit: condition/direct danage hybrids kinda suck.
Hey!
You can put me in the open world-, dungeon-, WvW-, pvp-, and fashion advice categories ^__^.
I never really did GvG, but I guess I’ve done enough roaming/zerging to still help out.
Who am I?
I’m just a regular cat looking to have the most fun she can possibly have in game :D. Being a pretty good mesmer is just a bonus to that.
If you have any questions, feel free to whisper/PM me! I can usualy make some free time to help out ;). You can even ‘borrow’ me, and I’ll meet you in person :o.
All invites should be sent!
Penagon.3786, you have the maximum number of guilds.
sorry for being so… lazy, i guess :/
Why pay 4 gold if you can just:
Which only costs like 10 silver… Logic >__<.
They should really just put a trainer in all dungeons. Or make it so we can always reset traits outside combat/dungeons.
“Please stop giving us free fun, we dont like it for some reason”
I will never undertand humans >__>
Please let it not be intended!
I loved the old spatial surge and Chaos Storm sound… Especially the Chaos Storm in the firt few months where it still had an awesome/mad giggle :’(
If arenanet doesnt give us our awesome sounds back… Im going to sue them :C
Hmm, I swear I saw my name here several days ago… I must be going insane :C
Right at 3 days pre gw2 launch, someone stole my name _. I created a character as fast as i possible could, but it wasnt fast enough :’(
Ever since the name change contract came, I bought one and try taking my name every day. I also try to whisper the person, but he/she is just never online >__<.
I may be onto something here… >_>
Edit: Oh, this is a great thread, by the way. I love how everyone comes in and shares something they know with the rest ^__^. It makes me feel kind of bad for not doing the same, actually :P
Very nice and informative post!
Im seriously thinking about putting this in my “favourites” thing and linking it to people, but… Its missing something!
A table of contents! This post is pretty huge, and someone looking for quick and specific advice can easily get lost here while reading the intro.
5 minutes later
Ok, I read it for the third time now (don’t judge me), and I actually think the intro is very catchy and appropriate :P. I still believe a table of contents would be fitting though!
How would you know sleeping with an asura is “painfull and tedious”? Actually, I’m just going to believe you here and not ask any further questions…
Eek… I was really going to recommend Mesmer, untill:
I mean, part of trolling is kiting ;D. Theres nothing more funny than running circles and teleporting all over the place while a max height bald norn is trying to chase you with key turning, and when he gets upset and wants to “finish it” he uses the transformation elite and spam skills. On a clone.
But yea, Mesmer can be specced very well for duelling, it has high active defense and an incredible skill cap, with every skill having more than one uses, where most are tricky but very rewarding to use.
You can also catch up, escape, chase, speed kill and troll with your thief friend.
The problem is that themajority of gw2 players arent interested in dialogie, music or emotions.
They care about mindless zerging and getting loot >__<.
Wow the human female ones are awesome :o
Just explain to me where I messed up. All you guys are saying is that I am wrong. All I was trying to say was that a good zerg build should also be able to hold his own against other skilled players with good builds. Just stop acting dumbfounded at me and tell me where I went wrong.
^ This is where you went wrong.
Why does a good “zerg” build need to be able to do anything other than run in a zerg? Throw out another example: "Why does my solo roaming build which can handle 1v3s pretty easily need to be “effective” in a zerg?"
No one ever decided that except for you apparently and based on that video you posted you are not the person to be making these kinds of decisions.
Quoted for truth.
Besides, zerglings are my favourite prey when im using a roaming build, because they are specced for zerging.
Mesmer is a specialist proffession, if you dedicate to either roaming or zerging youre very good at one of them, but if you try to “specialise” in both youre mediocre at both.
Lets compare it to clothes again… You can wear a tank top with a winter coat over it, and shorts with skipants on a sunny day.
If it suddenly starts snowing, youre prepared. But if it remains sunny you have to put the warm clothes off, and run around with them all day, which limits your effectiveness.
You can also carry an umbrella incase it starts raining, but youd have to carry even more.
Now try going grocery shopping with all those extra clothes and umbrella…
What im saying is, theres no reason to expect snow or rain to fall on a summer day, and if it does, there are enough options for you to avoid it even without 2sets of clothes and an umbrella. Its just too much trouble to carry everything :P
>__<
Well, this is my point of view. You all act like once you create a build for a specific purpose in WvW, you expect to see that build fulfilled in that process. You guys never really give a second thought about what might happen in WvW. If you make a support, you think you are gonna be in a zerg every time. If you make a condition you guys think you are gonna solo roam every time. I am just pointing out here of what might happen if OP was to fight a decent player with this build. He will crumble. That is what I was trying to say. You guys are too believing in your builds. I made 2 builds for my Apex Predator build so that their can be counter measures for different situations you feel you might encounter. that is what I am trying to tell the OP and everyone else in this thread. Always think about what bad might happen, instead of all the good things that will come your way through this build. That is too much of a one-way thinking.
If you still think I am bluffing, let’s apply this in real life. Let’s say you brought short pants and sleeve shirts outside. It can be rainy or sunny, you never know. That means if it were to be rainy, you are gonna be drenched and sick and likely at home for the rest of the week. What I am trying to emphasize here is that don’t go around thinking that everything is going to be suited to your build. Anything can happen in WvW.
When im running in shorts and a tank top on a warm sunny day, and it starts raining… I act appropiately and go inside/stand under something so i dont get wet/sick. Im not dressed for rain, so I avoid it.
The same can be done with a zerg only build. See a roamer? Just avoid detection or run.
edit: I cant actually see the build atm because im on mobile :’(
Dont CC them after they leaped. The skill is hugely telegraphed and has a status icon under the mesmer’s hp bar.
You know it breaks stun, so dont try to stun.
My god…
Ever since that “the plague of GS mesmers” thread things just arent the same anymore… Theres new rage every day, which we havent had since the time where people thought we were OP, and even that was less often than this.. Even moderators dont do anything about it, but they will remove “thank you” threads…
Just go back to the dungeon forum where you belong, no one here will listen anyway, as you said and realised countless of times. It would be much better for all of us.
Go back to the dungeon forum? LOL. What, don’t you like people challenging the status quo?
I think I’ll stop posting when people stop seriously recommending the GS as a good power weapon on mesmer, ignorance like that needs to be dealt with.
Right. In that case, I hope you dont mind typing the same thing over and over again for years to come.
Im not the OP, actually. A person deleted it, and mods still didnt move it to the trash can >__>
If i remember correctly, the OP was looking for a build that has defense and is still a dos spec.
The one i linked is one of the very few builds that dont go full berserker.
As for damage, it takes empowering illusions, phantasmal strength and the fury one, thats enough damage for me to be viable (or not pitifull, atleast) :P.
Other builds with defense are cleric ones, but those are usually boon support and not what the OP was looking for.
Mesmer always has defense. Perma vigor and low cooldown evade. Mesmer is not one of the safest classes to go full dps melee on as a beginner.
Fixed that for you. Beginners cant properly use their evades, so they will take alot of damage. As one becomes more experienced, they will get hit less, thus affording to go with low toughness.
I think its up to the OP to decide with how much toughness they can go to not end up on the ground every fight, and how well they can use evades.
Berserker armor and soldier trinkets seemed like a good idea to me, because its easier to switch soldier for berserker trinkets (armor may have expensive skins etc).
My god…
Ever since that “the plague of GS mesmers” thread things just arent the same anymore… Theres new rage every day, which we havent had since the time where people thought we were OP, and even that was less often than this.. Even moderators dont do anything about it, but they will remove “thank you” threads…
Just go back to the dungeon forum where you belong, no one here will listen anyway, as you said and realised countless of times. It would be much better for all of us.
Oh… I thought these were coming in the 1 october patch :’(
I was so sure the releases page was incomplete >__<
I recommend Pyro’s supporting phantasm build
It uses half berserker/half soldier, so it will have more survivability than most other builds, while still keeping amazing damage and support!I’d recommend not following this recommendation.
The OP is looking for a >pve dungeon build. Survivability as a mesmer isn’t needed since you have BF, f4 for falling asleep moments, and the lovely dodge ability.
Full zerker + ruby orbs or scholar sigils. Sword / Pistol + Sword/Sword/focus Sigil of bloodlust on MH to be swapped with Sigil of force/night/etc as you progress to higher levels of trying harder. Sigils of might on offhands.
Greatswords, staffs, soldier runes etc are all completely unnecessary in pve as you don’t take damage. So if the chance of taking damage increases the longer the fight goes on, obviously increasing your personal damage is the best type of survivability. I.E the above.
Trait 10/30/0/30/0 and avoid the GS trap while you still can.
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Looked closer at that build…staff(condi) gs(kinda? power). What on earth.
If i remember correctly, the OP was looking for a build that has defense and is still a dos spec.
The one i linked is one of the very few builds that dont go full berserker.
As for damage, it takes empowering illusions, phantasmal strength and the fury one, thats enough damage for me to be viable (or not pitifull, atleast) :P.
Other builds with defense are cleric ones, but those are usually boon support and not what the OP was looking for.
It has been announced by devs.
Do you have a source on that?
Imo they should remove vulnerability and add blind or something. Vulnerability simply does nothing for us .__.
And a 240 radius sounds right.
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