Guild Wars 2

AcesZeph.6031:

HGH – only works with drinking elixirs, not with the thrown elixirs , do you guys think it is intentional? Notes said “drinking” so it was that specific, but still XD. I understand that getting it to work with all elixirs may be too much, but I was hoping for it anyway.

No it works with thrown elixirs aswell m8!

Tweaking don’t equal nerfing dude, and I have yet to see any reports about “numbers” as you mention? Would you please stop being such a doomsayer, when the only thing as it stands in the patch notes and I have been able to see while toying around in game is what stand in the notes? It’s really typical the Engineer forums that everyone goes nut’s and yell end of the world when a nerf hit us

No they don’t? They fixed Elxir Gun which was broken for the last patch? that’s about it, where do you see the other nerfs?

I’m actually not that hearth broken about the grenade 30% nerf, and I have allways been using them in WvsW and tbh, they were out of line. That said, with a HGH might stacking build, the new sharpel and probably the sigel with 30% chance for giving bleed on crit (Since there all ways come 3 grenades) I’m quite sure I will still manage to do just fine when I defend a keep with my beloved grenade kit! and I didn’t use grenade skill 1 much beside these situations! it’s still gonna be quite the nasty AoE kit

Engineer
Engineer kits now inherit the bonuses from currently equipped weapon sigils.
“Grenade” skill now does 30% less damage to balance against using sigils.
Grenade kit damage is now equal in PvP and PvE.
Flash grenades and poison grenades now do damage when they explode.
Elixir Gun—Super Elixir: Reverted the pulse healing effect to its previous intended state. Updated skill facts for this skill’s underwater version.
Timed Charge: This skill no longer does bleeding, but applies a three second burn.
Retreating Grapple: This skill now causes three stacks of bleed for six seconds.
Homing Torpedo: This skill is now a small projectile finisher with the rifled barrels trait equipped.
Grappling Line: This skill is now a small projectile finisher with the rifled barrels trait equipped.
Timed Charge: This skill is now a small projectile finisher with the rifled barrels trait equipped.
Net Wall: This skill is now a small projectile finisher with the rifled barrels trait equipped.
Power Shoes: Increased move speed to 25%.
Always Prepared: Now also increases downed damage by 25%.
HGH: Drinking an elixir now grants two stacks of might instead of one.
Sitting Duck: Instead of 5% damage, now applies five stacks of vulnerability for eight seconds.
Shrapnel: Increased bleed chance from 6% to 15%.

There you go everyone! Looking awesome If you ask me! So much going with a HGH Might stack grenade build now!

Come on guys! I know Engineer isn’t the “best” profession out there, and that elementalist movie is quite neat! But let’s stop being jelly and discuss what they can do, and keep focus on what we got as engineers! The Elementalist isen’t trying to fulfill the same role as I want either!
That said, I would make a movie with my role in group play aswell, cause I actually do fell very useful! But I’m a waiting the next patch notes to see which situation we are sitting in before that!

Greetings everyone! My very first PvP is now ready, it’s a bit rushed, but wanted to get it out before the patch tomorrow, since somethings a going to change as it seems now!

The trait setup I used for this video is following:
http://www.gw2db.com/skills/calc/engineer#14|0|2729|253|2454|4052|4065|30|1422|1417|1885|10|2266|0|0|0|0|0|0|30|1470|1473|1033|0|0|0|0|0|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|

Which I have been using for quite some time now, and found it working quite well for me! So after some friends said I should make a video I finally got myself to do it! So hope you enjoy and fell welcome to leave a comment!
There is a lot of footage of duels with other level 80s, and in general my goal with the video have been to show that an Engineer can stand a fighting chance against other classes in WvsW!

The Movie! Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwAmovcxGww&feature=youtube_gdata

Shrack.8013:

So they’re “one of the best aoe classes” because they can “spam” an ability which has the slowest movement in the game and can’t be used again until it lands (Cluster Bomb), an ability with a 90 second cooldown (Dagger Storm), and one that can only be used once every 45 seconds, and only if there happens to be an enemy warrior around (Whirling Axe). I think you might need to look up what “spam” means.

Yes, you can use Cluster bomb 6+ times AT YOUR FEET with ease, effectively downing 5+ people easily in a zerg. That is spam.

I lol’d. I really hope you don’t believe this. Cluster Bomb at point blank range is good AOE, but even then, it’s still slow. Whirling Axe is unreliable and can’t be considered a legitimate reason for thief AoE. Dagger Storm is our elite on a 90s CD, and the daggers thrown out are random.
Thief is terrible at AoE. Elementalist has more AoE on regular abilities than thief can get out of anything. Hell, a warrior using Hundred Blades vs. a zerg is more dangerous than a thief using Cluster Bomb by far.

There are 8 classes in this game and thieves are ONE of the best aoe classes in the game. You effectively named 2 classes who you think have better aoe than thieves, and I would only agree with is elementalist. Guardians do great aoe damage too. Thieves have a spammable 5 target aoe skill with 1-1200 range. If you don’t see why that makes us one of the best aoe classes then I don’t know what to tell you, especially since we’re able to run generally far higher damage stats than other classes in WvW.

edit: and though I will say, I agree that daggerstorm isn’t op and pretty easily countered.

An Engineer out AoE a Theif any day with a Grenade kit just fyi. That makes another proffesion!

Edit: I liked your movie! + It had medicat running around, that all ways make a movie better!!

mischwoof I have been looking at your build and your role in group play, and been wondering about Superior Rune of Mercy wouldn’t make you even more of a ressing beast? Have you looked/tested that rune?

I personally feel it’s quite underhanded, cause if the Mesmer run to the door to die close to it, we gotta wait 10 min and camp him, before he get’s kicked out for being AFK
. It’s simply the only counter there is to prevent it. I won’t call i an exploit, but it’s a underhanded trick and I hope they change it!

Yeah, but that’s pretty much what we see in the movie Snizzle posted, that he just lag a bit foward, got a lot of footage (cause I’m makeing a PvP movie these days) where that happen a lot of time
That said, that movie you posted Winneh, seems like a speed hack of some sort! Clearly no class can make some of the movements at seen in the movie, and that really sucks!

Out of pure tower design and location I’m on the Anza og Durios wagon for the easist tower’s to take
The best Tower layout to make it really easy to defend (making it the hardest tower to take) is the Green/Blue/Red-Lake tower’s in the borderlands, that tower is just awesome in every way!

It ain’t me, nor do I know who it is in that movie Snizzle posted, just to point that out!

But that ain’t any sort of hack, it’s server lag, and It have been going on a lot the last few days in EB (Not sure why). But I see plenty off people from RS and AR make these lag jumps too, sometime’s large groups, other time’s just a single person! So probably not something the player is doing! I’m glad we have such a strong fair play spirit here on Piken, but don’t turn it into a unjust “Witch Hunt”

I’m running a different Engineer setup myself, but I think this post need some Tankcat to show one of the roles a Engineer have: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfO5s9pi0c
(Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/The-TANKCAT-build-Prybar-some-faces/first)

That said, I have to agree with my Grenade tossing brothers in arms, an Engineer with Grenade kit and Supply Cart can create quite the havoc and force a zerg to split out with all the red circles we can produce + all the control utility we bring to the table I haven’t felt like a weak link when roaming around in 4-10 man groups!

World vs. World
Invisible & invulnerable players can no longer contest capture points in WvW. WvW capture points now follow the same rules as PvP capture points.

So yeah, discuss people? I’m personally happy they removed it!

I agree with name’s should be show, heck I would even like /Say to work in WvsW, why can’t i taunt or talk with the people I fight? I have had some awesome fights where I really would have wanted to talk with the people I did clash!

I got one of them back in the beta, only time I have seen one! sitting on about 50+ open now as well

Forestnator.6298:

Rata Sum does not effect vulnerability, but weakness.
Weakness is only reachable with combos. And u don’t realy need additional posion duration. Also the radition field is kitten with 120s cd. So at all this rune is realy realy bad for engi and I realy don’t believe in “your succes” withit, sorry.

Your right… I have been thinking it gave Vulnerbility all the time.. geees! That said, the posion duration is still neat when you stack it with poison grenade. And while I roam around a lot in WvsW the Radition field often pop in 1vs1 fight, where It really can help, seeing as it both stack weakness and poison, and do a good amount of damage to (+ Gun Jump in it, or poison grenade field, will give AoE weakness)! But meeh, it ain’t as good in siege fight’s and zergs then… Only for 1vs1, 1vs2 ect. still a cheap rune that have it uses

I play an Engineer, and I’m on the “Kill everything” wagon, but I have a special love for anything that focus me, in special Theif’s and Hundred Blade Warriros, that jump me thinking I’m an easy target! I simply love these guys!

I have a great succes with the Rata Sum rune in WvsW! The Grenadier setup I use focus a lot on stacking vurnability and poison in huge sieges, and with Rata Sum I can often keep about 20 vurnability coondtionsup myself! And they ain’t very expensive!

I have never played GWI, but I would like the best items were easy to obtain!

As a matter of fact, the ideal setup for me, would be, kinda like PvP, we could just walk straight to a vendor when we ding level 80, that sells small tokens with stat’s on (Following the Statlines from Shaman’s, Berzerker’s ect ect), we could use on our Item skins (there should be a lot of these skins we could try to obtain). These tokens would then give the stats to the gear we desire, completely removing the need for grinding gear for the stat’s, and not for the skins!

Ahh that sucks!! I gues that means I’m on the hunt again for a new sexy looking helm! But thanks for the answear folks!

So I find this Armor set surfing around the web:
http://www.gw2armor.com/asura/male/k5/medium/display_looks.php
And there stood I could get the set in Firehearth Rising, and I’m in total love with the helm, but after getting every single hearth done there, I have the entire set, but the the helm! The helm I could buy were looking like the Gunner’s helm, so my question is, where in PvE do I get this helm!?!

nvmvoidrays.2158:

then you’ll get laughed at because with the information we have available (now), ascended armor (when its available) can’t be slotted with runes nor can ascended weapons be slotted with sigils. we don’t know what the infusions will do, but, likely, it’ll simply add a resistance to the new agony mechanic, thus, making ascended gear obsolete for anywhere, but, the new dungeon with the information we have available currently.

note: this is going off what information we currently have. even then, you don’t need agony resistance to do the fractal, only to continue doing the dungeon the further down you go. plus, we don’t even know how its applied. it could be dodge-able/reflectable, etc..

Your wrong, https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/ show’s that these items actually have more stats then exotic gear, cause they got “permanent” runes/Orbs in them

Just posting my huge: NAAAY! To this Ascended gear crap… Hoping if the amount of unhappy players will make them realize what they are doing is wrong!…

For more awesomeness we can inform we, after a long hard week with some great battles, won our our weekly match up in an entire month! Turning the tides and now moving forward! Well done everyone!

Which zone are you currently leveling, what is your trait setup and which stat line does your gear have? all start matter more and and more the higher level you get personal I found Bomb kit and Grenades kit to be the best for leveling (Mostly cause I love AoE).
Do you level a proffesion? cause if you do, get a few levels higher then the zone you have problems with, and it should be easier to handle the mobs!

Really? They just boosted the reward with 10 Liquid Karma, which give 4500 karma each, and you whine about wanting more? …

@Kimbald that’s not true! Trow Elixir S can give you stealth or growth, and we also got the trait Cloacking Device (Not that awesome, but it’s okay)! I use Elixir S all the time, it’s awesome, just wish it all ways would be stealth ://

I actually think they have a done a quite good marketing job aswell, like Gabi says.

But that said, Anet simply can’t trow the amount of money after marketing as Blizzard ect. It’s quite expensive to make that extreme amount of marketing to everyone. (Also, it ain’t necessary to make so broad and global marketing as Blizzard does for a game after my opinion. Most gamer’s will find out about the games they want, they don’t need to see the game in TV)

woodyfly.4169:

Everything is just about great but there’s one big problem… it’s simply not addictive. As I’m leveling up, I don’t feel stronger at all and I don’t feel rewarded. Even the skills that I unlock are really boring compared to gw1. A bunch of generic shouts/signets that give damage/crit/etc. I find myself asking myself why I should even load the game, what can I do that is fun.

Gw2 has failed to be “revolutionary”.

I’m simply shocked! Why in the world would you use the word “Addictive” as a positive thing about anything? I completely disagree with you about GW II not being revolutionary, it’s exactly what it is. It’s tries to move away from that “addictive game’s” group, many MMORPG’s fall in. If you ask yourself why you should load them game, cause you don’t find it fun, then maybe you shouldn’t? Game’s shouldn’t be and addict if you ask me, it should be a fun waste of your free time. Being addicted to game’s it actually a psychological illness in my country…

Dgenerate.1948:

I think the problem with sPvP and maybe one day sWvW, is that although PvP in this game is different, it’s not different enough. It all feels the same, but on a much more mediocre level. It’s fun for a little while, but you don’t really get anything to show for it. And no, it doesn’t have to be gear.

You actually get a PvP rank, you can use to buy unique looking armor sets, and there is plenty of drops aswell giving you fun toys to play with (Like a Rabbit banner for when you finish of people) There won’t be stats to show off, but there is sexy looks to show of for sure!

Dgenerate.1948:

In the end I think this game is a little confused as to what it really wants to be. It doesn’t accelerate at any aspect and I’m finding it hard to find motivation to keep playing once I’ve done everything once.

I think, I will call what this games does, is heading the right direction of what a really good MMORPG should be, they are taking the very first small steps in changing the genre in a new direction. I actually agree with you, there is no need for level. There is a lot of things that would need to be implanted for that to work of cause. But I really do honestly believe that the sPvP system is an perfect beginning of what will be the standard for PvP in MMORPG’s. Now they just need to take that step and implant it even more in WvsW and out in the open PvE world. Creating a game where everyone play’s on equal ground, with more fun and hard challenges to compete in.

But it is heading the right way, trying to create a world (that still need works) but a world non the less where the force that drives players to play is the fun of the game, not a carrot hanging down from the sky saying: “If you do this, you will have this” and then send you of doing the same thing as yesterday, to get the same carrot (Looking at you daily dungeon in other MMORPG’s!!)

Rizzy.8293:

They’re complaining about how hard it is to get the baseline level 80 gear that they need to be an effective member of the team, I’ve explained to you about this.
Exotic gear =/= Rare Gear unlike Elite 15k Gear = 1.5k Gear in guildwars. which share exactly the same stats.
And even then, you upgrade your gears with runes and weapons with mods to give your build a slight tactical advantage

Rizzy, If it stood to me, gear should work just as it do in sPvP, that you can get so many different looking gear, and could just get the runes for free, to design how your stats should be. It is a problem atm. that there is that little (12-13% power difference), but it haven’t felt like a problem for me yet PvE nor PvP, that i run around having fun in a mixed set of master crafted, rare and exotic.

But Rizzy, you miss the vast amount of people, like the op of this post, that whine about the same thing, like he says it himself:
“Gear and level equalization. This blows. The fact that you equalize EVERYTHING from level to gear, just plain sucks. There is very little reward to “working hard” to earn gear when the benefits you gain from it wherever you go are just watered down. I am sure there are many like myself who would love to use our gear to it’s actual advantages (especially in PvP), rather than get killed by a bunch of lower level players or mobs.”
This is what I don’t want in GW II.

Antikid.2341:

great teamwork? explain that to me pls

for me its just zerging all the time
nobody cares or is even aware of what other players are doing (except for pressing f when someone is down)

Have you looked into Field Combo’s? Or how about the simple fact all the Boon’s you apply in AoE will effect everyone around you? Have you tried to say hello to people you do events with? I do agree some event’s at level 80 is pure zerg. But take the dungeon’s, even the story mode’s you can have great fun (my opinion) by working with your team, creating combo’s and using the vast different skill load out each proffsion have.

Antikid.2341:

So instead of telling people to go to another game its time to admit that gw2 at its core is really boring.
And as soon as you done the tourist thing and visit most places there is no challenge left

I wish i could say otherwise but this is how i see it

It’s funny, I really love ganking and would miss it, but with WvsW that’s not a problem, that’s an entire world with that element if you move away from the zerg.
I really love that I don’t have to rush around, competing about nodes, I actually never really did crafting in other games, cause I got sokitten off do to that rush.
I can see a clear difference in all the classes whenever I meet them, actually they are all so different and amusing I have serious troubles choosing a class. I never played in a world feeling so alive, and I love how I can have great teamwork with random people out of the blue.

Our opinion ain’t the same, and I won’t call the game boring.

Rizzy.8293:

Are you even listening to what people are saying?
It’s not that people who are 80 WANT more loot, We need more cashflow to pay the crazy in game taxes, be it armour repairs or waypoints.

Do you know how much it costs to way point around from one side of Tyria to another.

So what you want us to go to Heart of the mists, then to LA then portal to the racial town the destination we want is in, then run the rest of the way?

And armour repair please dont make a dumb remark like, DONT DIE SO OFTEN, so its their fault they dont have your masterful skill o mighty pveer.

Them wanting more reward does not hurt you, period.

So stop telling them to go play another game if you didn’t buy this game for them with your own money.

Rizzy, I do agree with you the money flow is wrong!
It’s a fair and a valid point actually, and I’m sure they are looking into it.
We should raise our voice telling them they need to fix the cash flow.

But that really ain’t what most people whine about! If you start reading many of the posts you see people complaining about the lack of gear progress and that’s what I’m against!.

It cost btw about 4s from the middle of Lion’s Arch to Orr as level 80!

ashsmith.8976:

If you people keep saying go back to wow we are going to have another swtor on our hands if everyone actually does , don’t underestimate how many ex wow players are in this game. People are allowed an opinion and can still enjoy the game enough to play it so quit the childish comebacks.

The major reason GW II won’t fail the same way as SWTOR is it ain’t Subscription based.
(there is many more reasons then that)

Rizzy.8293:

I’ve tried to be nice and civil with you, but everytime you come into one of these threads you contribute nothing but pointless banter and try to start flamewars with, “Not the game for you go play something else” Im giving you a fair warning, You seem a somewhat decent person, if you move make another pointless worthless post that disrespects and disregards another person post I will personally bring this matter up with a moderator as you are contributing nothing but flames.
Thank you.

This is the exact same thing I fell about you? and the exact same thing I been trying to do. I have nothing, against people complain, and I have no problem with people bring up game issue, heck I even have a long list myself of things I want fixed. Nor do I have any problem with people wanting a reward. The problem is the “reward people need for their time spent” in the game. I’m tired and sick of games where loot demand everything. I all ready stated in other thread that it’s fine with cosmetic gear as a reward, or silly fun Achievements. But that ain’t what most people want. If that is the kinda of rewards, non game changing rewards (also I have all ready agreed on the money rewards need to be higher in dungeon’s, enough to cover the repair bill at at least). Then sure, go nuts. But I have as much right as others, to say my opinion about the issue’s you bring up.

Elysian Rose.5283:

You’re missing the point. This game was marketed as an MMORPG, it was all about continuing the story yada yada yada. I didn’t spend hours researching it. All i knew is that i loved GW1, and this was called Guild Wars 2. Can I be faulted for expecting it to be at least similar?

I’ve never played any other MMOs, ever. Guild Wars was the first, and obviously the last. again, if I wanted gear to be irrelevant, I’d play dota or LoL. otherwise, they need to re-market this is an RTS and refund everybody who bought it for the MMO element, IMO.

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It’s stands no where that an MMORPG is a game where the time you spent there = a reward. Just because an MMORPG got a strong focus on PvP, ain’t it suddenly Dota or LoL, it’s and MMORPG with PvP. And yes, it is your fault to expect it to be like GW I, because you know what? They made it clear all ready in the beginning that it wouldn’t be anything like GW I. If you like to rush mindless out and buy stuff without reading about it. Then it’s your problem, just don’t come here complaining you didn’t get what you “thought” you would get.

Really? no skill, come face me in a 1vs1 Elysian Rose.5283:, and we will see if it’s just a matter of “spamming”

Rizzy.8293:

Why dont you let her play what game she wats to play and respect the fact that she paid for the game and is entitled to as much enjoyable content as you are?

Because she, and others like you, are trying to change and ruin, one of the core selling points of the game I and other players brought. We knew what we brought, we got what we brought, and we are happy about what we brought. It’s not a matter about I don’t want to let her play what she wants, in fact that exactly what I’m telling her to do. What you, and her, is misunderstanding is: This is not one of these games, and you should to to try force changes to the core functions of the game “just because you brought it aswell”. It’s the same when I don’t go, to Rift, or SWTOR or WoW, games I all brought and complain and DEMAND they change into something they never was meant to be.

To fell like you have every single right in the world to DEMAND whatever that please you in a MMO, just because you paid as well. It is Our word against your’s, the difference being we want the game as it was created, and not changed it into something the game designers didn’t want to create. Is it really that hard to understand? If you want to play GW II, that’s fine, but stop trying to changed it into the standard dull and boring MMORPG, because that ain’t what it was made for!

and I’m having a blast of fun in both PvE and PvP. The PvE in this game is by far more fun for my taste. It’s an opinion, and they are different.

Elysian Rose.5283:

Why don’t you just stick with LoL then? The PvP is much more polished because… it’s a PvP game.

If Anet wanted to make this a quasi RTS they should have stipulated that from the beginning. I sure as hell wouldn’t have purchased it.

Why don’t you stick with all the other MMORPG’s like Rift, WoW or SWTOR? And many others? Because they are the typical brain dead controlled by rewards games you want.

If you had read just a little about the game or followed up on what the design would be on this game, you would have known what you brought. It only makes you stand out like a little kid that didn’t do his homework, that you brought a game without knowing what it was about!

Elysian Rose.5283:

Well, if we’re self-referencing, let’s revisit a post by you, Mozart:

Amadeus.5687:

It’s a game where we don’t have to do anything at all, to do everything there is in the game.

And again my eyes glaze over as I contemplate the fact that you were trying to say this as a compliment to the game.

It is a compliment: I don’t want to be forced to farm and work “hard” to get some “gear with big numbers” so I can go do new content “so I can get new gear again with even higher numbers”. I can log in, and do whatever I want, if I want to do something hard there is plenty of options where I have to work hard to do it. But it will be a matter of skill and not the number of my gear. I can see why you can misunderstand what I try to say it that sentence, and I’m sorry for that, but English ain’t my mother language. But the point with that sentence is:
I don’t want to be forced into farming for gear or other kind of “rewards” before I can log in and have fun. There shouldn’t be a “sorry you haven’t used enough time doing things you don’t want to do yet” message when I try to do what I feel like. The world should be open to do everything you want when you fell like it, for fun.

Just gonna post this link here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/This-is-maybe-just-not-the-game-for-you/first

This is for you Dgenerate.1948 and people that think like you/play MMORPG’s like you, read it and think about it

@IanAwesome, There is no reason to quote someone that posted that long a post in a topic twice, we can go back just fine and read it!
When that is said, Yes, I do agree that there is plenty of small rewards for doing stuff in this game. That’s not the problem, there is titles and other goddies that works like rewards. But they are pure for show, and in he end they won’t matter for much but show off.

What many people is asking for, is they want to get an reward for spending time on the game, doing a dungeon if there is no reward, like “über 1337 gear with huge numbers” or something else that makes you more “awesome”, then the dungeon ain’t fun. This is what many of us don’t want, the dungeon won’t be more fun because there comes some shines with it, because it’s still the same dungeon. We want fun and hard dungeons we do with our friends because it’s fun and amusing to do the dungeon!

You won’t get new and better gear just because you PvP more then me, sure, you may get a rank and “better looking” gear to show of, but you won’t have an advantage against me. Just because you spent more time then me, you still won’t be rewared.

The entire point I try to raise, and I know there is all ready small rewards in the game, but they won’t matter for why you do things, is you should stop felling entitled to getting a “reward” for using your spare time on a game. It ain’t a freaking job! It’s a hobby you should be doing because you have FUN with it. I simply can’t understand the foolishness of people thinking: “That dungeon is super boring, I won’t do it EVER, it’s to hard as well.” But if they add in some sort of reward at the end boss, but won’t change anything in the dungeon it’s suddenly “OMFG THIS IS SO MUCH MOAR FUN”… But it ain’t, your just fooling yourself, there is plenty of games out there doing exact that for you, but this one ain’t one of them.

Death Aggro.9602:

Not a Pvp Player. That kills two points. As said by many threads crafting is useless. Costs more to craft than you can sell it for. Its a gold sink. or have you not maxed any crafting yet? Do the puzzles for………..exactly. While some are fun you get notta in the end. So what am i progressing there? And i paid for CE. 179 USD, but thx. Obviously you speak from fandom and not from an experienced lvl 80. You should reread my post you quoted. A dungeon with a reward is a dungeon worth doing. Obviously you sir have not completed them all yet.

So I’m awake again and ready to keep this discussion going.

Again, all you say is just something that can be used to prove my point: You don’t like PvP, which plays a major part in this game. Nor do you like to do anything just for the fun and challenges of it. You only do dungeons because of the reward, which is fine, I understand why you want a reward. But you just won’t get it in this game, it ain’t what it’s designed to do, hence this just ain’t a game that will give you that? I don’t get how it can be so hard to see it? If you want to get rewarded something else then fun for your time, go pick up one of the games that do nothing but stuff rewards down your throat all the time!

@ DirtyDeeds, That simply ain’t how the world works, you can never please everyone as a customer! Ofcause Anet want’s as many people to buy the game and play it. But if people come here, thinking this game is going to be like the games it try not to be, and start demanding them to change it to that direction, they won’t do it. It’s a core function of the game, and you don’t start to change that just because some people whine loud on the forums. Again, if I don’t like one of the main ingredients in a dish of food, you have at a huge buffet, that try to be difference and a lot of people like. Then the chef ain’t suddenly going to change it, just because you don’t like it that way, when he designed it to be different then what your used to, and lot’s of people like it that way. Deriver says it very well: You will never be able to please everyone

Seems like your right yeah! Also, you could combo that with a little gear brought for karma! if you had been playing around with a few different things like WvsW and plenty of events you should be able to buy 1-2 things. So I guess it really ain’t that much of problem!

That does seem to be a bit to much difference in the damage, on the other hand, the stats is about what I would say is right! Also that’s what it seems to be the case with Armor/Jewels

Rizzy.8293:

Also no trinkets or jewelry.
No actually screw CM, Lets do ARAH in white, I’ve never done Arah before.

This actually sounds like a hella fun, I gotta set this up with some of my guild m8’s to see if we can do this :o

Proeliator.8740:

I really try hard to not be one that complains and I actually somewhat despise the hardcore players that already have 150 hrs+ and are the ones complaining the most but I promise you ANET isn’t happy with the state of the game right now. I would bet money they feel they have fallen short on many of there intended designs and will be working overtime to improve them.

There is all ways work for improvement! Don’t misunderstand me, I see plenty of stuff that needs work! And of cause we have to complain and tell them to fix broken stuff. The point I raise is we shouldn’t whine and kitten other a core function of the game that is the selling point for many of the players.