Guild Wars 2

Gw2 will never be in consoles, because their cpu performance are ridiculously bad compared to pc’s, and no way they are able to meet the minimum cpu requirements.

Just to understand what they have, their cpu is like having a dual Athlon 5150, a very low end cpu which performs 631 in Passmark single thread performance. Meanwhile, the FX 6300 (lacks power in gw2 heavy situations) performs 1411…

Stormbolt.7293:

What gear and utilities would you see yourself running with that build?

Utilities should be Ether Feast, Blink, Veil, MoD and elite Well. I cannot speak about gear and stats since all gear will see its stats changed and I don’t know how will be the impact of not having the guard stacks.

adelaide.6213:

Ansau.7326:

For zerguing Chronomancer will be pretty much mandatory with shield and wells. There are quite a lot of variations to test. The best for me are Dom/Insp/Chrono, Dom/Chaos/Chrono and Dom/Due/Chrono.

I have different thoughts on what will be meta/mandatory for wvw zerging. I believe the updated PU, which will make veil 4s, will be required for at least one mesmer in the zerg, and ideally a chronomancer.

Currently, taking PU makes veil 3s and most mesmers that take it (and not many choose PU in a zerg build anyways) likely do not trait glamour cd as well. However, I believe that the extra second of stealth come HoT will allow one zerg to significantly out-engage another zerg that is only running with non-PU 2s veil. In effect, there will be an “metagame” between mesmers of opposing zergs where if one mesmer is running PU veil and the other isn’t, the former’s zerg will generally trump the other in initiation and intial fight momentum. Thus, both side’s mesmers will feel the need to run PU veil.

I am basing my assertions on what I have observed in organized GvG’s where there is currently an emerging meta strategy to run smoke field + blasts for ~6s stealth. The guilds I have seen employing this strategy generally have better early momentum. Likewise, I predict the increase in stealth duration by taking the updated PU will be significant; the difference between a PU veil and non-PU veil will be more pronounced. Also, currently traiting PU and glamour CD comes with significant opportunity costs that will be alleviated come HoT.

And all your assumptions are based on the fact that PU could bring 100% more stealth time. Devs said those weren’t the final numbers. Seeing how that 100% would make some of our other stealth skills OP, I have doubts it will remain like that.

I also have a laptop and had to disable turboboost because with it enabled the cpu was throttling and saw similar behaviour as you. You can only do this by entering the bios.

Btw, your computer doesn’t blow the minimum specs. In fact, that i7 is like a normal i3, which is part of the minimum specs.

Also, which gpu do you have?

Pure DPS GS-S/Shield: http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgMBmAJcBlg~
This is for pure skill demonstrating.

Interrupt Staff-S/Shield: http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgMBnAP0BrQ~
The future zerg meta.

DPS/Support GS-S/Shield: http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgMBmASkBmg~
Best way I see for guild raiding.

Better forget about condis in zerg. All professions are getting much better condi cleansing, and with the actual poor performance compared to power builds, in the future they will be useless.

For zerguing Chronomancer will be pretty much mandatory with shield and wells. There are quite a lot of variations to test. The best for me are Dom/Insp/Chrono, Dom/Chaos/Chrono and Dom/Due/Chrono.

Roaming is a different world. There will be some nice builds with chronomancer, but there are a lot of potential meta builds which won’t need it

Post you computer specs, and put pictures of cpu-z, gpu-z, ingame settings, and hwinfo monitoring cpu and gpu, and task monitor to control gw2 ping.

It’s impossible to help with just : I have a problem…

EU toxic? Besides forums wagoners there’s not much amount of toxic community. EU servers are very active from CET 4pm to CET 11pm, also during the mornings.

PD: You shouldn’t pay much attention to what americans say about how good or bad are other communities.

The game has native 21:9 support, you won’t see black bars in full screen. Also, I’ve run the game at 4k and I remember someone moving it even at 5k.

You won’t have problems.

Volmarg.4310:

sirsquishy.8531:

Volmarg.4310:

sirsquishy.8531:

Volmarg.4310:

Ansau.7326:

Are you having such low fps only in Dry Drop/Silverwastes, LA, zerguing, bos fights… or it’s the same in empty maps, discovering the world, dungeons…?

Most of pve map are kinda stable ~35-40 FPS
PvP hurts below 30 FPS.
Some places like that one i love in Dry Top causes drop, even if there are just like 5 ppl around.
Boss fights is ofc one big joke. Maw ~10 FPS.
So far the only reason i visit www is for daily badges spender.
So Edge of Mists start place ~35 FPS.

what if you reduce your ingame settings to low, do you see better frame rates in SW/Drytop? And by low I mean everything (high res textures, and character models too!)

I’ve posted comparison on previous page, but i see no problem on reposting it.

ah thats right, I remember seeing that. What about overclocking that CPU?

I’m not considering that at all. The point is the same. I bought pc, wasted lot of money on it. And while other game works fine gw2 Chokes in la with 3 ppl next to the mystic forge.

There got to be other way than wasting more $ on upgrading already fine pc.

There’s not another way, cpu is holding you back. You bought the wrong pc for this game.

There’s not a problem. Enabling effect LOD reduces the amount of effects rendered, so the cpu doesn’t have to do such amount of work, specially in WvW fights where there is tons of AoE skills with particle effects.

Make sure you’re playing with the 970m and not the intel hd from the cpu. You can change that in the Nvidia panel.

I already feel the pain and listen the screams of reapers being reaped by a chrono-lockdown mesmer…

Sad to say it, but the problem might be the cpu cooler not being good enough to keep cool the fx 8320, a very hot cpu (125w).
Gw2 is one of a hell stress game for the cpu. I’ve even seen higher temperatures with it than some soft stress tests.

But before thinking of a change, make sure it’s the lack of cooling power. Download a stress test (Aida64, OCCT, IXTU…) and monitor the temps and frequencies of the cpu while stressing it. If you see the same behaviour as with gw2, then you’ll need to get a better cpu cooler.

From which country are you? Just to get some ideas of good options for your cpu…

PD: Putting a higher thermal throttling could only makes things worse. You could see more downclocks and eventually a shutdown, as the cpu wouldn’t have as much room to cool.

MailMail.6534:

Ansau.7326:

Warriors have +25% speed in an Adept trait and nobody cares.
Eles, rangers, thieves and necros have +25% speed in signet passive and nobody cares.
Engis have perma swiftness in an Adept trait and nobody cares.

Mesmers get +25% speed in a grandmaster minor trait and everybody loses their mind.

kitten human logic…

Well to be honest, the logic you give here doesn’t make sense either. The biggest difference between our speed boost and that of the ones you listed above is that other classes have to make a choice or concession to achieve such a boost.

While I still think there’s nothing innately OP about it, I would have preferred if it took the place of Compounding Celerity or was inside the Inspiration trait line. It does make sense though with the theme of Chronomancy. Honestly, it’s not that big of a deal to me…

I wasn’t discussing if they’re easier or more difficult to take.

All I’m saying is most other professions have had ridiculous amount and easy access of speed while mesmer (together with guardian) has suffered of that since the start of the game.

Nobody has bat an eye about that for +2.5 years.

Now that mesmers get what everybody has, some see the end of Tyria is coming with the OPness of mesmers with +25% speed.

Warriors have +25% speed in an Adept trait and nobody cares.
Eles, rangers, thieves and necros have +25% speed in signet passive and nobody cares.
Engis have perma swiftness in an Adept trait and nobody cares.

Mesmers get +25% speed in a grandmaster minor trait and everybody loses their mind.

kitten human logic…

Which cpu cooler you have? And have you changed the thermal paste?

It’s not only a software problem, some of these improvements can only be achieved with new hardware features, like asynchronous compute or asynchronous DMA (it’s like hypethreading for gpu).
Fermi, most of Kepler and HD Intel don’t have the hardware to use these technologies…

I’m between Dueling/inspirations/illusions and Dueling/illusions/chronomancer.

Is too early to decide which will be the best way, we don’t know how pretty much all traits work in the practice, less we know how all other professions will perform at roaming. Inspirations could be a must to counter the condi builds we have seen so far; or worthless…

Are you having such low fps only in Dry Drop/Silverwastes, LA, zerguing, bos fights… or it’s the same in empty maps, discovering the world, dungeons…?

Do screenshots of ingame settings, cpu-z and gpu-z.

Do screenshots of ingame settings, cpu-z and gpu-z.

Infinite light is perfect as it is.
Not too shiny, not too boring. Expensive enough it becomes a rarity and a desire skin for everyone. Unique design worth to be a legendary, yet it isn’t so all those farmers don’t look at it.

sirsquishy.8531:

Fermi.2409:

sirsquishy.8531:

DH15, GNSS, or even a H110i would be a far better choice.

All of which are significantly more expensive options. The cheapest is over twice the cost of a 212 and the others are over 3x as much.

There is a reason the other options are 2x-3x the cost of that 212evo. they cool 2x-3x better. Which is a necessity if you are going to overclock.

That’s only true when you plan to do extreme overclocks (haswell +4.7GHz, FX +4.5GHz) because heatsinks like 212 evo reach the maximum heat dissipation.
But if not doing such overclocks, those more expensive solutions aren’t that much better. You’ll be spending 3 or 4 times more to get barely 5-10ºC less even with an overclock about 4.2/4.3GHz in Haswell.

edgarallanpwn.8739:

Even then its not true support. It’s been stated that any dx12 capabilities are software based, as…… its still being developed.

So currently the units they stated will support some and possibly most features of dx12, but not all, and not as well as the hardware that’s actually designed to run it

Dx12 has also hardware limitations. Tahiti only has 2 effective ACE (Asynchronous Compute Engines) while Hawaii and Tonga have 8.
Also Nvidia is much more restricted than AMD. You can see some differences in the photo.

Yes, I’m a potato because I point out those 2 engineers ported a game that uses a third party game engine that receives millions to be developed and it’s continuously improved, so it is way easier to do it than it would be with gw2.

Keep bringing single player games or mobas that use third party game engines and are way simpler than a mmo, able to handle 60vs60vs60 players fights, +50 servers and things like a shared market, different games mode, 2 weekly updates… It only makes our points more true and it makes you kept in an endless loop about possible optimization (which has never been a discussed thing, yet it’s the thing you keep repeating).

If you think it’s so easy, get the money and the programmers and talk to anet to do it. Until then, newer api won’t come, regardless the benefits it could bring.

End of the discussion.

Make sure the gpu is at the closest pcie to the cpu. And have you tried different drivers?

Also try going to control panel > power options> change advanced settings> PCI Express > Link State Power Management. turn the setting to: Off.
If not, you should look into the bios and set the pcie speeds manually. It’s called “NB PCIE Configuration” and it’s inside one of the submenus of Advanced.

If nothing of this solves the 6970 pcie speed, then there a problem with the gpu, it could be hadware damage in one of the pcie pins.

Instead coming here moaning how bad and lazy anet devs are at optimizing the game, why not to do something useful and offer the money and a team of programmers to optimize the game?

Why is so difficult for people to understand anet devs won’t update game engine nor API because they DON’T WANT.
Everybody should know anet already has thought about upgrading to dx11, and if they haven’t done that is because there should be reasons, and those are not they are not capable (they upgraded gw1 from dx8 to dx9).

Maybe, and only maybe, upgrading to dx11 or dx12 is not cost and time worthly. Maybe they decided to stay to dx9 because moving to a newer api would require millions and months, even years, as THE GAME ENGINE OF GW2 IS PROPERTY OF ANET.

So please, do yourself a favor and stop wasting time trying to argue how anet devs are lazy cause other games that use third party game engines are super easy to port to dx12…

CPU: Perfect
Heatsink: I would go for something a bit better, like Ashura, Mugen Max, Ereboss… The evo is not a bad heatsink, but only allows small overclocks.
MB: Would get a better motherboard than that with just 4 phases. Z97-Pro Gamer or the Z97X Gaming 3 are better options.
RAM: 8GB is more than enough for these days for gaming.
HDD: Fine
SSD: Install the game here. Would try to look for a 850 EVO at such size, they have much better speeds. Anyway the MX100 is also a very good option. I have the 512gb and very satisfied with it.
GPU: Also very good option.
OS: I recommend W8.1. Much better overall so speed (mine it shut downs in 3 seconds) and it gives a small perormance boost while gaming.
Case: Fine.
PSU: Too much wattage for that system and a meh quality psu. Cooler Master G550M is a better option.

Overall you’ll have quite a beast to play gw2. At high you can expect 60fps while roaming and in pvp, 35-40fps in zergs and 25-30 in blobs.
Here is a very similar pc to yours playing at 1440p, smae cpu at 4.3GHz and r9 285, equally than a gtx 960:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XSvcnLcmwI

Do the problems happen in W10 or W8.1? In that case, which build do you have?

Also provide screenshots of cpu-z, gpu-z and game settings.

All fine but shatter build being as unreliable as this one.
Triumphant Distortion makes melee shatter the best build for zerguing, yet it has a really high skill floor so only very experienced mesmers in zerg fights are able to be effective dealing damage without dying, specially with the new pirateship meta.

The only way to improve this build is to move to a power damage one. Sorry, but AoE condi builds don’t have a place in zergs cause the massive AoE condi cleanse.

And it will get worse with the implementation of specializations. Builds will have much more condi cleansing and the core traits of your build (Confusing Enchantments and clone death traits) are going to dissapear.

Here is my footage testing a similar build. The numbers are pretty much the maximum cap you can get (I calculate 2600 condi damage and +93% confusion duration). If you watch the rest of the video you can see me doing 4-6k with power shatter…
https://youtu.be/it_nzabmk_Y?t=427

Dulfy has launched a new specialization calculator to theroycraft with builds:

http://dulfy.net/2015/05/02/gw2-specialization-calculator-that_shaman/#profession=mesmer&traits=W1siRG9taW5hdGlvbiIsMiw1LDhdLFsiRHVlbGluZyIsMiw1LDhdLFsiQ2hhb3MiLDIsNSw4XV0=

URL of the page works as a build link, and chronomancer is not included.

Only elite well and the one that does massive damage in the last pulse will be viable, paired with blink and veil.

Wells will be better used for AoE bombs than disturbing enemy zergs when stacking and buffing.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Ansau.7326:

Aren’t illusions, shatters, DE, IP, PU, MtD, CI, CS… part of the identity of mesmers?

…Yes, and Cronomancers are Mesmers….

If you’re trying to distinguish a different class, Revenant is the new kid on the block. New armor to hp pool, Unique weapon sets, skills, and core class abilities.

Honestly, are you guys even thinking about what you’re saying anymore? -_-u

If you didn’t saw that question as a obvious rhetorical, and a tag question, then sorry but you have comprehension problems…

In fact, your first sentence says pretty much the same as my last paragraph.

What I think you don’t understand is elite specializations won’t change completely a profession, but they will bring different touches.
Any chronomancer (and the other elite specializations to come) will have 2 of the 5 base mesmer specializations.

You talk about identity crisis… What crisis, when any elite specialization will still be able to take DE and PU, DE and MtD, MtD and PU, CS+CI+new Power Block…? Aren’t illusions, shatters, DE, IP, PU, MtD, CI, CS… part of the identity of mesmers?

People won’t come and say: “I’m a Chronomancer” or a “Elite Spec 2”. We will all be mesmers and meta builds will determinate what to be in any situation.

Only Gravity Well (elite) and Well of Calamity (the one that does massive damage at the end) are worth for zerguing.

Well of Eternity (healing) would also be good if it was a water field.
Well of Recall (Alacrity) and Well of Precognition (Unblockable attacks) have way too long CD’s for what they do.
And Well of Action (Slow and quickness) effects are worthless in zergs. Slow and quickness to 5 people for 1-3s have zero effect in a fight where +50 people are dropping things constantly.

I expect a trait that makes Wells 1200 range and grant 1 extra pulse. If we compare them with Necro’s wells, these are really a bad version of them.

One question:
We will need to take Chronomancer specialization to use Wells? Or will they be accessible like any other utility/elite.

Mistforged Hero Shield paired with Infinite Light AAARGGGGHHHH

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mistforged_Hero%27s_Shield

PD: Tormented shield will be to much mainstream. No originality xd

Thieves being much better than mesmers in tPvP = thieves own mesmers anywhere.

That’s false, because in WvW now it’s the contrary with shatters burst build for small scale fights and MtD for solo-roaming.

There’s also the fact that most of that assumption is based on low-skill mesmer versus cheesy and easy thief builds. But when you see the footage from a good mesmer (the video of EremiteAngel is a perfect example) then you see how powerful mesmers are.

More information about Chronomancer

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hidden-arcana-creating-the-chronomancer/

- Shield skin showed in the video will be unlocked through elite specialization reward track.
- Shoulder unique skin will be also available with the same reward track.
- Elite specializations will be only available at level 80.

Cmoooon!!!! YES YES YES

Now we have to wait till tomorrow to see more about the traits and skills and let’s see if we’re improved quite a l in zergs.

Toeofdoom.6152:

not the trait alone.

Paired with torch trait, and with the actual numbers, it will be like this:
Prestige = 6s.
Decoy = 6s.
MI = 10s. Prestige is available (22 + 22*0.015*30 = 33s).
Prestige = 6s.
Veil = 8s. We need 2s more so Decoy will be available (6+10+6+8 = 30s).
Decoy = 6s. Prestige is available again (22 + 20*0.015*30 = 31s)
Prestige = 6s.

Total = 36s +12s of stealth with just 2s in the middle.

Interrupts doesn’t kill enemies, damage does.

That’s why, even with these changes, 5 necros or 5 eles will be better than 5 mesmers. And a shatter mesmer will be better than a lockdown mesmer for zerguing.

AoE lockdown should be buffed quite a lot to be better than what shatter will be.

PD: Neither in gold league you see 5 mesmers.

I expect you will be able to play at medium at 40 50 fps with no problems. But expect big fps drops when zerguing or in big bosses.

Inspiration will be too good not to take it for zerguing.

I will laugh now at thieves when roaming with my MtD, IP, PU, Confusing Combatants, burning, bleeding and confusion stacking shatter build.

Yeah, it also amuses me how people cannot see the huge buffs to a lot of builds that will make them OP in the right hands.

I mean MtD with IP, PU, +50% torment damage while moving, Confusing Combatants now proccing on crits…
I mean power shatter dealing up to +35% damage plus the damage won for eliminating those useless +300 condi damage and +20% condi duration baseline stats, with also PU and all the defensive boons of chaos.
I mean lockdown mesmer being hugely buffed with tons of traits that proc on interruptions.

PD: We can’t pvp = we cannot be in top pvp where only few dozens of players are able to play that gameplay.
For the rest of pvp (WvW included) we’re one of the best professions at it and in the future we will be even better.

Shield being confirmed, and pretty much chronomancer will be the specialization devs will show during this week, as they said last friday.

HYYPEEEE!!!

https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/592720217459011586

Windwalker, I was talking about the lost of more valuable and useful traits.
To be able to give 1 stack of stability in AoE you lose the ability to cleanse up to 8 condition in AoE and all the boons you will gain with PU or CI; plus the buff to stealth duration or immobilize and other condi when interruping.

Giving up so many things for doing less useful than the Mantra of Concentration is not worth (the rest of the boons won’t have such an impact, there’s a reason why Signet of Inspiration is not taken anywhere).

+1 Community has showed GvG is a fun game mode for them, while anet has been ignoring it completely.

It’s even amazing how the community has been able to create a fresh new game mode without the devs even think about it.
Just for that it deserves some investment from them.