Can you please make it so people who have just started playing do not find their way into ranked PvP?
Make it so they need to join at least 20 hotjoin matches or something before allowing them to add themselves to a ranked roster.
It is getting a bit ridiculous that I’m getting brand new players on my teams….. some of them just bought the game a few hours ago.
With all this new introductory stuff added to pve…. don’t you think you should at least do the same for pvp?
Real problem is dat even if you go hj 24/7 you won’t get any better anyway…hj if for testing stuff, trolling ppl and for making pve heroes feeling good…outside that it’s no use. Way better would be setting up a not-ranked tque (And maybe soloq too, but well..noone cares bout soloq anyway…) where new teams can try stuff out without being worried bout ladder and getting ganked by high ladder teams..
Pretty much like old paid and free tournaments..and remove crap hotjoin already..
Anyway based on how much it takes to change something in pvp we’re probably talking about 2018…
ranks been the easiest to get these days, you can get from 0 to 80 in 5 months. ranks means nothing in pvp except time spent.
The thing is I also want to get better at it so that title the Champion Paragon means something. Some of the people in my guild are really good at pvp, but then there seems to be a huge gap between new pvpers and veteran pvp players. The good ones are really good, but then the bad ones like myself are just terrible. Unlike pve and/or wvw, this mode has strangely polarized skill division as well as high learning curves.
champion titles don’t mean you’re a veteran pvp player…more than 5-8k tournament played is way more indicative…
like d/d eles exploiting earth block bug love to do in 1v1 on point..yeah i’m looking at you so called “top” ele players..oh…ops..think i was told to not tell anyone bout this kitten…well…too late..or maybe just tired to 1v1 d/d godmode eles blocking all cs and killing you with burning, permavigor ofc..gl landing earthshaker..)
Quoting the patch notes:
“Cleansing Ire:
Updated the description to clarify that conditions are only removed if the burst skill hits.”
Combustive Shot on Warriors is still clearing conditions without having to hit any enemies with it, despite of this “change”.
Ppl asked about this way long ago since always worked like this, combustive shot always hits if it lands on the ground cause it’s a field (Proof is that even before “adrenaline spent when you don’t hit” patch combustive shot always used your adrenaline…while other f1 skills only spent adr when they hit)…cs always hits and it’s intended cause target is actually the ground…always had been like that, and since it always hits it always procs ire (Keep in mind you can still block it making war spend his adr while not removing condis…like d/d eles exploiting earth block bug love to do in 1v1 on point..yeah i’m looking at you so called “top” ele players..oh…ops..think i was told to not tell anyone bout this kitten…well…too late..or maybe just tired to 1v1 d/d godmode eles blocking all cs and killing you with burning, permavigor ofc..gl landing earthshaker..)
Until we get something decent like ladders and seasons, none of it matters.
I should probably be top 100 soloq on this account (Going only soloq atm) or at least something like dat since i don’t even look at ladder, around 100-150 tque on first but i don’t use it since one month ago, last time was in esl 43 after dat i stopped tpvp, i’ll stick to solo for now…don’t want to be farmed by top 50 while going with randomly arranged teams…and yeah ladders are totally broken and worthless, rewarding ppl for NOT playing the game and just que up once every 2 days in odd times to keep decay away…so sad..
Make ladder reset every 2 months or so, focing ppl to play in order to stay on top, and making decay fixed so once you get down you wont go up again where you were when stopped…if you get down to 300 you start again from 300..how bout dat? And ofc fix the kittening matchmaking…after last soloq game at around 3am last night one guy from my team asked everyone else bout their rank since he was r27 and started pvp 2 weeks before (And he probably noticed that he was understanding half of what we were saying in teamchat…let alone rotations..)….on the other team there were collero, texby and odium (Not sure bout odium maybe the match before but..whatever)…ofc we lost cause our r27 war got permafarmed on close by texby and pretty much in every 1v1 he faced (And for sure it wasn’t his fault) ….i just told dat guy to not que up on odd times if he’s new cause he’s gonna screw up both his mates and himself, but seriously…a r27 with 2 weeks in pvp randomly put into a top 100 match….fix your kitten anet (And remove stupid skyhammer meanwhile)
I thought it was fixed…i swear, after 2 days playing fine i was really like “Oh god they really did something…finally…my faith in anet support is (Partially) restored”
there’s literally a dps ranger’s invasion atm…just bring a reflect and you’re good to go…some of them are so reterded they just kill themselves instead of stop pew-pewing
Such ranger much dps
Don’t worry…dps ranger is not gonna be meta and probably is not gonna be any good in tpvp in general…just yolo mindless crap for hj so no real problem at all. You can los lb all day and pew pew alone with not enough survivability and sustain won’t do kitten in teamfight vs decent teams, after your invuln you’re just gonna be a dead ranger walking..just another troll crap suited for nabs in order to feel the real “hotjoin hero power” ..pretty much like turret engis…you won’t see them in top pvp anyway either because noone would play with a troll spec (Outside teams specifically made for trolling) and they have pretty much no team oriented roles (Like thief roaming and decapping far or mesmer with portal, turret engi can bunker a point but placing turrets just roots you there since you’re even more worthless without your AI crap, and being unable to move with a side bunker means you’re gonna end up 4v5 all the time…and this should never happen) so at the end of the day you’ll find yourself carrying those guys all match…they could be effective in soloq vs bad and not organized ppl maybe…but since noone cares bout soloq it’s still pointless
scroll a few hundred pages back and look at the posts about " remove temple, it sucks, if you don’t remove temple, i’m quitting the game, we are 99% that hate temple.
No. Skyhammer has been criticized and players have asked to take it out of tourney play from the start. Temple has never received anything like this amount of hate, and is generally considered a good map. Don’t try and write this off as some kind of community knee-jerk reaction that happens all the time.
This is not the only epic skyhammer thread, there have been many since its release, with several community polls clearly showing that most people want it gone. Do a poll on Temple and see what happens.
In fact I did do a poll on some other maps (forget which ones now) because some people said “only people who are angry vote in polls, that’s why the skyhammer polls showed so many people want it out”. However, when polled on other maps people voted overwhelmingly for keeping them.
Skyhammer sucks. There are several well thought out and detailed posts as to exactly why this is a terrible map, and how it is almost the antithesis of everything players had been asking for in pvp.
i remeber some pools (If not mistaken) about voting for removing other maps for “testing” …was like 10-20% for other map’s removal compared to 80+% about skyhammer…so the community feedback is quite clear…to bad they don’t give a single kitten about player’s feedback and community in general..
there’s literally a dps ranger’s invasion atm…just bring a reflect and you’re good to go…some of them are so reterded they just kill themselves instead of stop pew-pewing
And let’s force Warriors to do GS, Hammer, and Long Bow so that they actually get a slap in the wrist once you get attached to the class. Let’s just kill diversity without properly reimbursing Mace and Axe burst.
Prove me wrong.
Things I expect to hear with absolutely no valid argument:
1.) Warrior OP on EVERY build, they deserved it
2.) Axe and Mace burst are fine L2P
3.) ANET did the right choice on nerfing Adrenaline
Still playing Axe/Sword and feel no problems with it…ofc if someone just randomly eviscerate and he’s not able to land it that is not a game’s problem for sure, i can hardly feel the adrenaline and impale nerf…above average players can time their burst (You already used to do it before) and reduced cond duration on impale is basically nothing since noone is gonna leave torment on for all that time anyway. Axe mainhand is still viable, hambow is still viable and gs is still crap…so at the end of the day almost nothing changed.
tl;dr
they just nerfed ramdom spam (And it’s a step in the right direction) making war not so easy mode like it was, good wars can almost play like before with any weapon set while nabs are not gonna be as effective as before…too bad d/d celestial eles are godmode now and you should probably take two of them instead of war+ele
Is it too much to ask for a comprehensive explanation on their decision to keep skyhammer in the game? It’s obvious that arena-net has decided to keep skyhammer since they already went through the trouble of trashing one map (RIP capricorn).
Can we please get an official reply from someone who was actaully involved in this decision? It feels like a-net is afraid to say anything about it and is just willing to drag this crap out. It’s beyond disgusting at this point.
Since they don’t even answer to this topic just let alone explaining why the kitten they kept this skilles abomination in yoloq..
Your position on the leaderboards is based off your MMR, which is not a steady or linear way of tracking skill progression. This is why we are still focusing on ladders and seasons as a top priority in order to give players a more predictable way of showing skill progression over time.
Your glicko rating IS however good for matchmaking, as intended. It is used to find equal opponents for you to fight against, and becomes more or less accurate depending on the number of people playing and whether you play with the same five people every game.
The main factor in how stable your rank is depends on your MMR’s volatility, which will lower if you play many equal matches, and rise if you play less unequal matches. This is why you may not rise on the leaderboards if you play often, because your rating is only getting more accurate, not necessarily going up and down.
they cannot be critically hit or affected by conditions
Yeah since this game has 2 types of damage, condition and physical and turrets have advantages vs both…ok turret engis are so reterded (Or more likely those who play turret engi are so reterded…) thay can’t do pretty much kitten in high level tpvp but still someone can’t just win just putting kitten on the ground and then dodging and running in circles until the other one is gone..ok making this game casual (Nab) friendly but this is just way too much..
Funny thing is that we already had this feature, along with many others like custom UI in gw1 many years ago, is this supposed to be guild wars 2 right, so why did you drop everything that made gw1 so good? lol
what about earthshaker on target and you just stand still like an idiot going back to your starting position while mid-air? Now they can’t blame lizard squad or whatever anymore for their crap servers….and last night teamates randomly dc…we also were in hotm and like half ppl there got dc at the same time..4 out of 5 in my team dc’ed and the one who didn’t just saw half hotm disappear lol…i’ve seen crappy chinese mmorpgs working way better than this, no joke
More than one year ago they used to balance stuff according to 1v1 with various classes and specs (Talking about paid tournament’s times) and sometimes (Just sometimes) asking for advice to top players (And i mean asking…not necessarily following those tips anyway..) now they just…well…i don’t know…but for sure they’re not giving kitten to players anymore
They should introduce ladder reset every 2 months or something…like it was in gw1, there are ppl out there that can play 1-2 matches/week and sitting top ladder just because it’s totally broken and if you have many matches you won’t move from your position no matter if you win or loose. Resets would force ppl to keep playing if they want to stay where they are now pushing those who’re just exploting it out
The final stage of our rewards overhaul will be ladders. Players will be divided into divisions and will earn points for playing to work their way up the ladder. At the end of a season, players will earn PvP-specific rewards both for their ladder standings and for their level of participation. Ladders will replace existing leaderboards.
Once ladders are implemented, ranks will be retired. To honor the effort that players have put into the rank system, existing players will be able to keep all unlocked rank finishers and will earn a special title based on your rank to show that you were there from the start. Variants of existing rank finishers will move to the ladder system and will be used to show your current standings on the ladder from season to season. The original finishers will not be earnable again.
Ladders are the final step on our rewards road trip, and as such, they are a long-term project. Infrastructure needs to be built, new rewards need to be created, and other pieces need to be in place before we get there.”
Hello everyone, yesterday we had a little discussion on our guild teamspeak about losing a game and now i am curious to know what the forum thinks.
Are you more annoyed when you lose by a tiny bit (like 1 point for example) or when you get a blown out match where your team hardly scores any points ?
To get things started I’ll provide my opinion: it gets on my nerves when we almost win then lose, I start heating up about all the mistakes I did without which we could have won and it takes me a couple of minutes to cool down.
Yeah blown out games aren’t good either but if you are outplayed fair and square you don’t need to blame it on yourself, the other guys were simply out of your league.
So that’s my point of view, let’s hear yours now
if you can’t go over 100 pnts you’ve just been outplayed…losing fro 1 point actually hurts more…
the sPvP players that say such things are obviously clueless, if they try and play wvwvw for a few hours they would be surprised with the amount of rank 80 (Dragon Stomps) that are displayed in wvwvw.
Dragon rank isn’t anything anymore. It’s basically handed out for free to everyone… If you’re not rank 80 I’d say you’re pretty kitten new to PvP…
exactly, even randoms are r80…don’t forget most of them were just 55+ before rank’s dumbing down
Hi, I just wonder How the actual matchmaking in Spvp is done ?
The real question is…is there a matchmaking system or something even close to it? Aside from what they told us..i can’t see a real balance between teams, i can’t see my mmr…i can’t see kitten, but they said it’s there…somewhere..
Even if people like this map, I think they’d get frustrated at the abundance of 4v5s and teams that just quit mid-match. It happens 10x more than any other map.
Only reterded bads with troll specs like skyhammer…and there’s a reason: they won’t do kitten in other maps without exploiting…if you look at “high” (lol) soloq ladder most of those playing engi are not even in tque ladder…nough said
Just delete this map. Whoever is at a-net telling you that this map is good or important should not be taken seriously as they clearly aren’t doing the game any favours.
Anet should never be taken seriously anyway, even less when they’re talking about skyhammer and pvp balance
They were…more than one year ago when only really good players like Teldo were able to be really effective on engi, then, hgh first and decap-clows right after, kicked in and now things are just getting worse at every patch..
So push a couple buttons to drop your kits then dodge around a bit = pvp skill. Really is a sad state of affairs.
Go and play engi first man.
I did, made and engi and started using it on skyhammer in soloq…the result? I was able to kill ppl pulling them on glass with magnet from stealth and won 3 out of 3 games in 150-200 soloq ladder with a total of 10 matches on engi (And maybe another 10 matches on first and second account)…i deleted the kittening engi right after the third win, i’d rather lose than playing that kitten since ladder has no point anyway and i don’t want to win exploiting maps, i can’t play engi..i would suck harder then someone could even imagine on other maps, but on skyhammer engi is so reterded you can actually be good even if you don’t even know kitten are you doing…so yeah go try engi on sh, if you think it’s stupid after you try it you’ll realize that is even more stupid than you think..
DPS Shatter (The usual 20 20 0 0 30) is the only viable build in pvp but believe me (From someone who used to main mesmer when it was still viable as a close point defender), don’t even try it if she’s (As you said) a newbie…it’s really hard to stay alive if you’re very good already (Cause thief really hardcounters mesmer and if they have a thief he’s gonna be on you 24/7)
She can try engi, war, celestial ele, guardian, s/d thief…almost everything, but if i were her i would stay away from shatter mesmer…and running PU or crap like that even if it’s braindead to play it’s totally worthless in pvp so you’re not gonna help your team anyway….and would end up being flamed by her teamates (For obvious reasons)
You can’t “learn” what to do in tpvp, every match is different…you need to “learn” how to adapt to a specific match…and that is not something you can just read around and you’ll be ready to go, it’s called experience and you can only get that after playing a ton of games looking at both your and team’s mistakes, why did we lose the opening midfight? Maybe we should leave a necro on close if they send engi crossing? Is it better to open with 2 ppl close to secure it from stealth cross first, taking some risks on mid if they stealth open with 4 there or just 1-4 and backupping close if needed? Do you trust your close point defender enough to leave him 1v1 being sure he’s not gonna die ending up with 2 caps for them? You need to learn how to answer questions like those, every match, in a couple of seconds according to how the enemy team is moving…if they cross with 2 ppl…are you gonna stay or just disengage going for the other two points? Is their thief in teamfight and you can leave close or he’s nowhere to be seen and you are maybe gonna be decapped as soon as you step out of point?
It’s not just like reading a book a learning things…it’s way more than that.
You don’t think that there are any solid theoretical answers to those questions?
No there aren’t cause even if you pre-learn how to counter some situations everything could be different anyway….if i see a random engi crossing i usually sit on my point and facetank him 1v1 if i see texbi, for example, crossing (Not a random engi) i’m gonna call for backup already because i already know is gonna be hard and awfully long and that i’m not sure that i would keep my point…so in the same situation with same class with same spec coming at me i’m gonna act really different because i know that is gonna be way different fighting a really good engi than 1v1 with a unknown random one, and you can’t learn stuff like this without playing many matches vs always different ppl..
WvWers are prone to getting 1vX’d because they PvDoor too much.
I guess I should add a real answer instead of a troll answer to the OP’s question.
I’ve roamed my fair share in WvW (I’m rank 250+ in wvw from only roaming) and I have to say that the general quality of players in WvW vs Tourneys is shockingly different. There’s something about being stuck in combat for a full game vs the same players with an actual impetus to fight one another (or lose the game, not for your server but yourself) that seems to put the heat under your feet. It’s that 10 minutes of close combat that, in my opinion, makes the difference in player capabilities vs WvW. In WvW you won’t find nearly as many fair fights, let alone fair fights with totally even gear time and time and time again. Even roamers will often find themselves without a decently challenging fight for over 20 minutes. It’ll either be “these guys are too bad” or “there are way too many terrible players” or “holy kitten this build is a total hard-counter to mine, oh wait he has 4 more dudes around the corner”.
It becomes even worse when gear and balance in WvW is factored in. The gear differences via simple stat inflation make some builds just insanely ridiculous. Balance patches seem to have just totally ignored WvW. Who knew that with a few extra and diversified stats, some OP PvE sigils and the old selfless daring from 2 years ago would make DPS guardians OP (at least compared to their uselessness in PvP ATM)
I’ve seen quality players able to react and play very well in WvW, of course! But I’ve also seen those same players in PvP and it’s not very pretty…
If you wanna come on down to tourneys and have a go at it I won’t give you kitten for it, nor am I supporting those who do because that’s just stupid. Heck, even if you screw up I won’t kitten at you (too much :P). Just don’t pretend like this is WvW and run a shadow arts thief with D/D and never learn how to rotate.
If a WvW roamer comes into sPvP and studies the meta, learns the rotations, tailors his build to his desired role, really learns exactly what his role entails etc then there’s no reason why that person can’t do well.
I can say more: If a PvE player comes into sPvP and studies the meta, learns the rotations, tailors his build to his desired role, really learns exactly what his role entails etc then there’s no reason why that person can’t do well.
xD
You can’t “learn” what to do in tpvp, every match is different…you need to “learn” how to adapt to a specific match…and that is not something you can just read around and you’ll be ready to go, it’s called experience and you can only get that after playing a ton of games looking at both your and team’s mistakes, why did we lose the opening midfight? Maybe we should leave a necro on close if they send engi crossing? Is it better to open with 2 ppl close to secure it from stealth cross first, taking some risks on mid if they stealth open with 4 there or just 1-4 and backupping close if needed? Do you trust your close point defender enough to leave him 1v1 being sure he’s not gonna die ending up with 2 caps for them? You need to learn how to answer questions like those, every match, in a couple of seconds according to how the enemy team is moving…if they cross with 2 ppl…are you gonna stay or just disengage going for the other two points? Is their thief in teamfight and you can leave close or he’s nowhere to be seen and you are maybe gonna be decapped as soon as you step out of point?
It’s not just like reading a book a learning things…it’s way more than that.
(Playing side point defender since this game got out)
Having gone from being a roamer myself to playing sPvP, i recognize a lot of mistakes, but i think the worst crime you do in the early beginning is blaming stuff on random cheese instead of actually looking at your own play.
Took me a while to spot all the smaller mistakes (i knew my rotations sucked from the get go, so that i worked on since i started playing PvP). But all those little things. When to engage, or more importantly, when to fold and GTFO to safety… learning these things matters hugely, as there is a timer before you return, and those 15 seconds can change the game beyond what you can recover from.
well said…too bad most of those coming from wvsw just don’t give a kitten bout learning how to play, +1 to you for learning from your mistakes…i assure you’ll be immensely better in wvsw too if you come back now to roaming after playing tpvp
Anyway if you want to get good builds, maybe not the best ones but for sure way better than most of those i can see there you should get them from last ESL cups. Keep in mind that sometimes ppl also change build after jebro and blu commented player’s traits…since they usually show them once before start and you can still change some stuff right after…
And please remove those things like gs zerk war (Zerk war in general) from pvp specs…you’re just sending send ppl to death with dat stuff, if you really want ppl to start playing viable stuff just gather ESL specs around and stop looking at yolo 1v1 servers…1v1 servers are full of kitten expec angz with all dat no soldier, no celestial and so on bs…
maybe because they usually suck in pvp without crazy stats, level difference, candy canes, pies, consumable buffs, guild buffs, legendary crap and wihout kilometers of map to hide and reset fights? Saw many good tpvp players actually destroying everything while roaming in zerg vs zerg…never saw someone who mainly roams in zerg vs zerg playing in top ladder tho….killing random ppl (Or dolyaks lol) while permastealthing is really different from going into teamfight where you can lose dat fight and maybe the whole match if you make a mistake..even a single one.
