ppl caring about hotjoin…i usually go there just to test stuff and troll….who cares hj is kitten and full of kitten, we have WAY more important things to fix before looking at hotzerg
Because ignoring hotjoin was the thing that killed spvp playerbase. Nobody cares about teamQ except few hundreds of players (out of thousands) and devs who still dreaming about “esport”.
pretty tired to explain you that dumbing down specs (Since dumbfire more than 1 year ago), broken ladders and spam to win pvp in general is what killed pvp, nobody cares about hotjoin….and never will..
After like 5-6 yoloq runs got dc on forest..server error..ok….went back and was fine…then i got legacy and server error on map loading, tried again 6 (SIX) times and everything was fine until legacy map loading stuck and dc, server error…all 6 times…
I gave up, i remeber this exact thing happening like last year still on legacy, map loading stuck and dc…daf is going on?
So, now that the Skyhammer changes have gone in (hammer now dodgable, floor break time increased, can’t break floors while in stealth), what are people’s opinions? Is it bearable, or even fun, now?
I’m interested in seeing these questions answered by those who have posted in this thread with a generally negative opinion, but have gone back and retried the map since yesterday’s changes.
In your opinion, are yesterday’s changes to Skyhammer generally positive? Are there other small tweaks like this (aside from removal of solo queue) that you feel would make the map a better experience for players – changes that wouldn’t drastically change the gameplay dynamic and aesthetic of the map?
yeah, can still pull and kb to death but it’s overall way better than before…cannon changes were definately needed..working like treb is fine now. In a game built around dodge mechanic having something undodgeable was simply nonsense
shatter mesmer need a nerf into the ground, its zero fun to play vs this spec since release…
the shatter dmg, clones, ports and stealth is just ridiculous op.
also every game with mesmers in general is not much fun with this npcs everywhere running around (but thats another problem of this game)
in this forum peoples complain about rapid fire on ranger at the moment
first nerf the mesmer dmg, its insane op and this profession have more as enough survive mechanics compared to the rest of zerker builds to nerf the damage of mesmer allready!
there is not much you can predict when you get shattered out from stealth and after that this the mesmer just port away again and you dropt bellow 50% hp
really nice to fight this kitten profession if you are not a thief.
Such persons are the only reason mesmers continue play their class. Even if they have ability to play 2 times more useful classes. The best class to make enemie angry )
Let’s say BAD enemies angry…apparently there’s someone who can’t still spot the real mesmer after 2 years…pretty sad
If you have good mates (Yeah i know…it’s soloq) you can fight 5v4 letting the usual braindead engi/mesmer/whatever camping hammer while you can just dodge it, it’s way easier than treb too since you can always see it with all those lights, announcements and stuff
2 dps can kill lord in seconds ignoring guards with stealth, those guards are also way too weak the only decent thing they can do is blocking projectiles…everything else is just worthless. If they are eles make them heal lord at least….and yeah removing annoucements would be nice. And kitten give him an healing skill without 2 seconds cast time…even a monkey can interrupt that
Maybe you never had it spelled out for you, Anet….. but Autobalance and Teamswap need to be removed from hotjoin sPvP
Here is why…..
Say you are in a match where the score is:
Red
45
Blue
380
The score is so one-sided because red team has 4 players and the blue team has 5.
One of the players on the red team pushes the B button…. and goes into spectator mode… creating a shortage of two players for the red team
……forcing a player to be Autobalanced to red from the blue team.
As soon as the autobalance occurs…. the teams will then be even, and the player who is spectating can now join the winning team instead of being on the losing team.
Even if he gets returned to the losing team due to a future autobalance, he will still receive credit for winning.
Please remove this from Hotjoin spvp….. people are abusing is so much, it is absurd.
ppl caring about hotjoin…i usually go there just to test stuff and troll….who cares hj is kitten and full of kitten, we have WAY more important things to fix before looking at hotzerg
Imho, there is a 50/50 chance that every player you get on your team can be some braindead moron from pve.
With odds like that, its more of a roll of dice whether your Win/Loss is positive or negative.
Last ppl i had in team in soloq were probably thinking they were in hj, i got far…1v2 (Other team was really really bad but somehow mine was worse) and they lost everything….they saw we (Well I) got a point so everyone went far standing there…so i moved to mid while it was freecap…got mid and everyone of them left far and went sitting on mid…well not really everyone, our almighty power ranger went svanir, died and got it stolen..
i was like wtf…but then i remembered i was in soloq…so alt f4 and gg
there was the usual reterded engi sitting at hammer last night, he made his team loose cause they had to play 4v5 the whole game while everyone on our team could easily dodge cannon….still it should be totally removed from soloq but at least it’s a bit less braindead then before…maybe…
After demented “rank dumbing down” patch it was clear they care way more bout pve heroes than competitive pvp, i mean we already knew it but there we had the final proof
hb would suck even if it was double damage, it’s just kitteneless root with a big “kill me” neon sign over you head. The only good thing about hb is dps on downed ppl…but you need to down them first ofc…
Dudis, just stop.
Many players on a much higher level than you have already said in this thread that mesmer is fine. Furthermore you keep stating the same false claims that mesmers are good at 1v1 and can 1v1 bunkers. It’s not a matter of opinion anymore when several players that know much more about the game and TPvP than you say you’re wrong.
ANet isn’t going to nerf shatter mesmer. Just leave it.
xDudisx.5914 Ed The Fire Heart W: 126 L: 123 50.6%
You’re not experienced at the game at all. Stop acting like it.
No need stats to prove it…reading all the bs he’s writing is way more than enough, i don’t even know why senso even bothered to reply on this.
The topic is getting too long I ca’tn read and reply everything. Anyway I have stated what I think about shatter mesmer. It is too strong, has way too few counters, and overwall toxic for the game. I would even go further and say zerker specs are the reason spvp is not a popular game mode. Probably there are more people doing living story or even jumping puzzles than spvp nowadays.
omg this guy……have you ever considered to ask for a job in pvp dev team?
A player get’s mad at a particular class and decides to roll one in spvp and they confirm that the class is OP and call for a nerf.
I don’t believe you have an 80 mesmer.
Otherwise I do believe you are being sincere
You need to learn how to fight them or ignore them.
i have a lv 15 mesmer…with 3500+ tournaments on it…you don’t need pve levels, we’re talking about fighting ppl in tpvp not mobs or wvsw zergs full of headless chickens xD
And dunno if you’re talking about PU or some other pve crap like that …but ignoring shatter mesmers is actually the fastest way to get wiped in teamfights…
Reading comprehension is vital if you are going to continue to post on these forums.
But hey, since you like to cherry pick one sentence out of a couple paragraphs, I can do the same.
Since when is PU a pve spec?
pu is a wvsw spec and wvsw is considered pve, so since like…forever?
A player get’s mad at a particular class and decides to roll one in spvp and they confirm that the class is OP and call for a nerf.
I don’t believe you have an 80 mesmer.
Otherwise I do believe you are being sincere
You need to learn how to fight them or ignore them.
i have a lv 15 mesmer…with 3500+ tournaments on it…you don’t need pve levels, we’re talking about fighting ppl in tpvp not mobs or wvsw zergs full of headless chickens xD
And dunno if you’re talking about PU or some other pve crap like that…but ignoring shatter mesmers is actually the fastest way to get wiped in teamfights…
Uh.. I think Spirit Watch, competitively, is much closer than Skyhammer. At least people still run builds for conquest, and not builds for ping pong.
Skyhammer > Spirit Watch. In Spirit Watch, you have orb running builds (defensive warrior with main hand sword is the biggest example) and not conquest builds. It needs multiple people to even keep it slowed down, which gives the rest of the team an advantage on the nodes. If you don’t have one, you lose.
On Skyhammer, other than stealth pulls, all that CC is avoidable by playing well.
other than stealth pulls, temporal curtain after ripping stability, corrupt boon + 2 fears and unavoidable cannon shots…yeah…
But lets all not act like in an open field duel off point a shatter mesmer isn’t one of the best specs in game – it has all the tools to avoid damage/conditions
yeah too bad noone cares bout dueling arenas and kitten like that. Tpvp is conquest not duels…and noone is gonna 1v1 around map with mesmer in tpvp cause their thief is gonna jump on you in less than 10 secs..going alone with mesmer is a deathwish already…let alone going alone to yolo 1v1 in the middle of nowhere
and Spirit Watch still hasn’t been removed. The most broken thing by far to affect competitive gameplay by far and the devs haven’t even made the effort to fix it rofl.
Probably not the most balanced map (Cause there are still classes than can spec for orb running and stuff) but for sure not even close to be as stupid and cheese as skyhammer. I’d rather play 10 spirit watch than ONE skyhammer.
Man this guy Dudis is true esports. He probably plays cele mesmer. No I don’t play shatter mesmer. No shatter mesmer is not good at 1v1. No shatter mesmer is not OP or even close to it. No shatter mesmer can’t kill a bunker guard solo. No shatter mesmer does not keep other zerkers out of the meta. Basically everything you have said is a characteristic of the thief class, not mesmer. And neither need a nerf. If this guy isn’t trolling, I don’t know what to say. High risk builds are cancer? OP go play cele ele and then play shatter mes right after. Do you really think mesmer is OP in comparison to ele? Mesmer is easily the worst class right now, and you basically have to build a team around a mesmer because they need maximum protection. You NEED a thief with a mesmer. A class that needs to “be carried” is not OP. Cele ele, a class that carries every fight and every situation, is OP. The reason cele fights take so long isn’t because their doing “magical combos and working together”. It’s because they are all self sustaining bunkers that can kite, DPS, rotate on and off point, have high mobility, and HIGH SUPPORT to keep teamfights going forever. It doesn’t take skill to play such a comp.
key binding is the term your looking for not macros.
No, macros is the term. Complex combos requiring specific timing programed into 1 key. It’s more common than you think and virtually undetectable.
More common? Let’s say half good eles actually use macros especially dps…there was even one (And i think old players can remember him) who actually went for a world tournament final with those…and he also had to play ranger during final cause it was on lan and couldn’t macro there. So yeah…
And don’t even try to say he didn’t use them cause i actually know who made those macros for him…and he also showed me the same one that guy was using to 18-20k in 0.3 secs with zerk dps ele. Got oneshotted on both bunker guard (With aegis on) and rabid ranger in less than half second
No don’t.
PvP becomes lame when people are doing it for any reason other than they like to PvP. Too much rewards attracts the wrong kinda players to a competitive game mode.
I can understand what you are trying to say, but wouldn’t having more people actually make the entire SPVP better?
we wouldn’t have 10+ min queues anymore
we would get more attention from Anet
eventually, even if all of the new people are bad, some of them will learn and evolve
It would just be a win/win situation, imho.
Better players would make pvp better…more pve nabs farming hj for rewards wouldn’t
Dont lie to me …..
When the Phantasmal Berserker , used to do 6-8k to Berseker players , you protected it …. and you always said ‘’its fine , because the Mesmer dont have a viable Condition spec’’ .
I remember most of the ppl history even if the changed their accounts or if they deleted it (even Kolly with the L2P signature , back in the ‘’Thief Megathread’’ (even if he wasnt as ’’anoying as Travale , or any other mathematician guys))
Yeah i remember , thE TP days , when the moto of the community was ‘’my class is fine , buff the others so we can see something new in the meta , and later on lets whine for fun ’’ .
You mention Teldo , where he had the Condition-Toughness Amulet and the bomb kit ? Essential a ‘’Node Fighter’’ ?
Why did you moan , later on about the Bomb kit-Grenade combo that is braindead spec ?
Casuals :
a)bring the money
b) ensure that the ques are short
c) are used as twitch viewers
Pros :
Have a sinbgle job …….. TO GIVE THEIR SUPPORT AND INPUT to the olg geezers ..
To guide them , what is good for the game ……… NOT kittenING TAKE THEIR WORD BACK – DONT ACCEPT THEIR OWN MISTAKES AND BEHAVE LIKLE COWARDS ….
Its so simple ….
Otherwise dont moan at them , why the dont listen to the ‘’l33t players’’ in the future .
Now that the managment have changed , i guess you will have 3 more tries ….
kitten it again …. and well ….
Teldo was a node fighter for sure, but he was almost the only one able to do that, after they made decrap engi viable pretty much everyone after some time was able to do what he used to do only because he was the best engi in the world, engi wasn’t brainded when only really good engis could do that…it got reterded right after they made it so easy that every average player could do things that required a really high skill level before. Izerk on shatter mesmer still hits pretty hard and it’s still fine since alwais had been a really easy skill to dodge (Also considering how crap staff phantasm is) and the only other good dmg output if shatter combo on cd…if you remind i wasn’t against backstab nerf at first (Assassin’s signet) because it was really too much dmg, i was against later nerfs (Like c&d) that, infact, totally made d/d unviable and it’s still unviable after almost 2 years. So do you really want to say i was wrong asking not to nerf everything on d/d thief? How many d/d thieves can you see in tn atm? Right…not even one. And btw the really first spec i was playing on thief was s/d dazelock (Tactical strike with mesmer runes) that also was the hardest spec to play (Probably also compared to actual meta too) and they nerfed it too since it was way better than backstab in the right hands…i basically stopped playing thief after dazelock and d/d got nerfed to the ground and never went back to it.
Just for you to know they balanced everything around casuals…and that’s why pvp (Expecially competitive side) is dead…i would rather see many of those really good players who quit coming back than hotjoin full of pve heroes farming chests and achievements…and you’re probably one of them
Suure. And loss of 70%+ pvp population in first 6 months due to extremely uncomfortable for casual population thief/mesmer/dd ele meta is just a coincidence, right?
I always wonder how people like you are always unable to understand what only big casual population can keep pvp alive and support upper skill levels with new players who learning and getting better. Its a skill pyramid, and a basic rule for any MMO.
Gw1 pvp wasn’t for casuals at all it was all rank based, no rank = no good party > no good party = getting farmed…casuals just got roflstomped there and still it had been alive for more than 7 years. So what’s your point again?
Top level tpvp players actually mean way more than all soloq and hotjoin population together…even more since anet is still trying to call this esports
Now this is actual mindset which is resulted in current miserable pvp population. Let’s ignore masses and balance around tiny group of people! What? Why are you saying “nobody cares about them and leaving spvp”? It can’t be happening!
Just for you to know they balanced everything around casuals…and that’s why pvp (Expecially competitive side) is dead…i would rather see many of those really good players who quit coming back than worthless hotjoin full of pve heroes farming chests and achievements…and you’re probably one of them
War: Soldier Hambow A Celestial Axebow A- Gs Weird Stuff B or C depending on ammy
Necro: Condi/Terror A Power B
Engi: Celestial A+ Everything else not power A- Static Discharge C
Mesmer: Shatter A Everything else C
Ranger: Condi (Rabid or Celestial) A Power C
Ele: Celestial d/d S Celestial Staff A+ Everything else not zerk B Zerk dps B-
Guardian: Bunker A Dps A-
Thief: s/d A s/p B d/p A-
May change a bit considering enemy team’s comp and hardcounters but this should be it…pretty much
It is…in soloq, cause soloq playerbase is 70% composed of ppl who can’t rotate and going 1v1 vs turret engis and keep dieing there (Far usually) all match
Implying teamQ and its population of 0.0001% of players means anything in terms of balance.
Top level tpvp players actually mean way more than all soloq and hotjoin population together…even more since anet is still trying to call this esports
This is never gonna happen anyway…anet doesn’t want to make pve heroes sad..
Oh yeah its better to make happy the L33t players feels happy and later those players moan at them and force them to quit the pvp side ……
‘’Before the company nerfs domminant specs , they should BUFF things like … TURRETS , RANGER’S LONGBOW , spirits weapons ….‘’’
3months later : ‘’Omg , why the make thoise cheasy no-skill-casual specs like that …. ’’
Stop it with the pve heroes …..
Noone ever asked to buff AI in pvp (Or at least noone playing at decent levels)…ppl keep asking to totally remove ai and spam specs since one year ago, but they made this pvp casual friendly and THIS is the reason why so many old pvp players left. Ppl asked to nerf spirit ranger and old decap engi just because they were too easy to play making bad players being decent with pretty much no skill involved…and then they buffed turret crap…ppl just quit because competitive pvp just turned into some sort of casual friendly 1-3 button spam crap.
Archaon are you serious ?
Especially you wanted too to increase the useless spells ….
You always said the same thing when you wanted to defend your Mersmer or Backstab Thief , before it was nerfed ….
You are also was a person who supported X…. leader mesmer from TP , about increasing the useless spells ‘’so we can see something new in the meta ’’ ……..
I was too one of them and didnt support Helseth at that time , when he was ripping hit beautiful chesthairs , about bringing every1thing down to the Warrios lvl .
That why after that i stopped trying to buff or defend my class , or still playing Berseker amulet + no burn trait to attone for my sins from then …
Do you think magically the buffed Gardian spirit weapons to not be killed by physical attacks , but only from conditions ? …..
Dont be such a Liar in front of me with 3 accounts …..
Buffing useless stuff is good…making it spam to win it’s not, and i’ve always been against casual friendly specs like phantasm mesmer (Never played phantasm in tpvp once in my life in more than 3k tn matches), bm ranger, spirit ranger, decap engi, turret engi and so on….you won’t find ONE post from me in 2 years asking to make this pvp easier. Since you’re talking about TP then you probably remember how engi was high skill high reward during those times…really good engis could even 1v2 (Like teldo) while others weren’t able to do kitten. That’s how it should be for every single class/spec around and this is what i’m asking since start….atm you need to be REALLY good on shatter mesmer in order to be effective and not a freekill while it only takes 1 week to be able to play any celestial crap out here and being decent (Not god for sure but decent) in any average tpvp match in pretty high ladder too. Same goes with pre patch warrior (Now it’s still good but no more crazy how it was before)…took 1 year to get to a good level on mesmer, went on warrior and i was already playing it in top 100 after 1-2 weeks…and this was wrong for warrior and it’s wrong for all those celestial spam bs around
Just to make and example: wanna buff turrets because they were worthless last year? Fine. Buff turrets and make them not full auto but with aim and fire controlled by the engi…useless stuff buffed and ppl who can’t play will never able to do kitten while good players would…buff =/= casual friendly and easy, but those guys at anet will probably never get that
lol basing whether a class is viable off of solo q is sooooo stupid….. As you can see im r1 Solo q….. I hadnt played in 5months, i Played 1 game, went up 17k ranks to rank 1…… I play pistol/pistol 17 13 28 12 10 thief…. does that make it viable?? Warrior is fine, you just cant be as terrible when you play it….
I agree with this, especially alot of high ranked players play turret engi, dosent mean its viable.
It is…in soloq, cause soloq playerbase is 70% composed of ppl who can’t rotate and going 1v1 vs turret engis and keep dieing there (Far usually) all match
Warrior is viable but has its counters while d/d celestial (For example) if played at decent level has pretty much no counters in 1v1…not even other celestial specs and can also roam faster than hambow , this makes d/d ele better side bunker than war atm since if you have a decent ele on close he can probably get out from every possible 1v1 without backup no matter the class/spec he would face, and that’s a HUGE advantage in tournament..and keep in mind atm there are many more mesmers around and mesmers are pretty much uncatchable with war and you will always gonna lose in 1v1 on hambow if you get a mesmer who knows how easy is to kite you around
I’d like a leaderboard in which is much harder to reach top 1000.
And at the same time, it should be much harder to decay beyond top 1000. It’s not like once you have proven to be a top player (let’s say top 25) and you don’t play for 3 months you become a complete newbe like these leaderboards imply.
Problem is that when you get back you can now win just one match against anyone and you will be back to top 25 even if you go pug at 4 am and kill some randoms not even on ladder…then you can leave pvp for another 3 months rinse and repeat
Decay being permanent after one month of not playing would already be enough for me.
Real problem is also ppl evading dacay playing once every like 2 days in odd hours being able to keep their rank without playing against something at their level. Ppl can’t stay top 100 if they only win against 3-4 am pugs. If someone wanna stay top 100 they must win and keep winning against all other top 100 teams otherwise they must go down…atm if you’re top ladder or you know you can’t get higher than you are you can just que up in odd hours staying there pretty much forever with almost no effort…atm once you get there it’s done, but being top ladder should be something you must fight for everyday not just a couple of matches and then disappear from prime times.
So you’re basicly asking for permanent decay :<
Nah not permanent…right now if you are 300 you won’t go100 just winning one match against a top 100 team anyway….with what i’m saying you will go back to 100 if you got decay to 300 but you first need to win just one match vs a 150 or better team…still a huge difference from those who are 300 and those who just got decay to 300..but at least they’ll have to prove to belong to their old position first…high ladder ppl stomping pugs at odd hours avoiding playing against each other it’s a huge problem and for sure another thing that makes those ladder completely worthless, it’s like on soccer everyone just sitting on top just playing against amateur teams…beating amateurs should not allow someone to stay on high ranks
Decay being permanent after one month of not playing would already be enough for me.
Real problem is also ppl evading dacay playing once every like 2 days in odd hours being able to keep their rank without playing against something at their level. Ppl can’t stay top 100 if they only win against 3-4 am pugs. If someone wanna stay top 100 they must win and keep winning against all other top 100 teams otherwise they must go down…atm if you’re top ladder or you know you can’t get higher than you are you can just que up in odd hours staying there pretty much forever with almost no effort…atm once you get there it’s done, but being top ladder should be something you must fight for everyday not just a couple of matches and then disappear from prime times.
Some easy fixes aimed at giving some sense to ladder
Decay working the same as now but being able to go back on your old position only after winning a match vs another team (Or soloq comp) with mmr in the same range
Example you’re 100 > you decay to 300 for not playing > you have to win vs a team with mmr not less than -50 positions from where you were before decay (So upper 150) in order to get back to your old rank, if you were 100 you went to 300 and you win vs a 200 team you’re just going up to 200 then but not back to 100…and everything under that -50 range only making decay slower (NOT STOPPING until you get an even matchup). This is gonna solve the % (After not playing for some time) back to top 100 bs after winning (Or losing) vs pugs/bad teams and holding your ladder rank going for late night roflstomping when noone at you level is around…to stay on top teams would have to CONSTANTLY win against teams at their level and can’t just sit on top winning 1 match at 4am every day.
+ Total ladder and mmr reset every 2 months or so giving everyone a chance to go up way faster than now if they’re good enough with some “endseason” decent rewards for top ranks ofc so efforts won’t be wasted
This is mainly aimed at tque ofc…soloq is a bit more tricky and they must remove skyhammer (And fix 4v5) first before going for good ladder anyway, with afk, 4v5 and sh crap still on it wouldn’t have sense anyway
First skyhammer and first 4v5 ad first epic loss. GFY. Try answering your customers
2 games last night…first one skyhammer vs full cheese focus/nullfield mesmer+2 engis team, second one legacy 4v5 with some reterded guy called Afk Solo Q obviously afking…i didn’t even try for a third..
Fix your kitten anet and start permabanning (Yeah PERMA) idiots too…we definately need some cleanup in pvp since we don’t even have an afk report option (Let alone reports are going nowhere anyway)
This guy named his char Afk Solo Q, he afks every soloq (Not just sh like some do and for a reason)deliberately ruining other ppl’s games and you can basically do nothing to kitten him up. That’s bs
Its a bug, just like you take falling damage while walking down a slope.
PvE heroes what else, they just probably all stand on clocktower point getting rekt by aoes and kitten instead of kiting around.
Average forum user’s level is getting lower everyday…
Dieing while moving on ct’s roof or stairs IS NOT normal for sure, there must be something really wrong with z axis going on there…but looking at how much it takes to fix bugs here well…gl with that
