Guild Wars 2

I like this, a lot there is 1 skill though i disagree with, Enfeeble should give weakness not blind but the weakness duration should be longer.

The rest is really awesome ideas and not too strong.

I disagree with OP and i agree 100% with Lordkrall here

Keys as drops 5
Precursors 2

My guild is vibrant and a live and always willing to do something fun like a dungeon, fractal, jumping puzzle, mini dungeon, levelling, world bosses, exploring what events lead up to. And probably many more.

People are never happy are they “we want more reason to go into our home instance”

Then suddenly “OMG 70% of developer time os going for the GEMSTORE, WHY’!?!?!??!?!?!?!,” seriously these are convenience items that you can buy to have even more incentive to go to your home instance, and stop saying developer time is used on gemstore which it is not.

Buy it if you want some more convenience, don’t buy it if you don’t it’s that simple.

Also gold and silver are are aplenty in a few areas and you can get 100+ in 1 hour already.

I’d say Defiant is one of the biggest problems in dungeons, if Defiant would be removed you could actually support through, blinds, weakness, fear, interrupts and such, That would make support build a little stronger, not on par but stronger and it would make thief/necros atleast be wanted some more for interruptions, Hammer warriors would be something you could consider as well and so on.

mahariel.4981:

Sirendor.1394:

I got kicked in dungeons a couple of times because I used to play engineer as main. Now I only ever use warrior, guardian or mesmer and don’t get any trouble anymore. It’s discrimination, but the fault is not with the players, but with the game design.

The fault is entirely with the players. If rangers were traiting and gearing properly right off the bat, there would be no stigma attached to them. Again, the same problem exists with flamethrower engis.

Traiting properly?, you mean so they don’t die or so they do max damage?, dead equals 0 DPS. I’ve seen more “heal” guardians or warrior and eles and so on die so easily compared to people that actually know what they are doing, personally yeah i run full zerker on my Death Shroud necro but i can survive far better than those “elitist” that i have to res every boss almost. Stop being elitist kittens.

LittleLepton.8915:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

LittleLepton.8915:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

LittleLepton.8915:

I would posit that encouraging a newbie to waste gold and time on gear and strategies that are not efficient or as good (I’m assuming that he does not want to spend hours in a single dungeon) is a terrible thing and you should get in trouble for griefing.

This implies that all people play for the same reasons you do… to do the content in the fastest, more efficient means possible. However, it’s downright foolish to assume such. Some people play simply to play, and therefore have just as much right to play how they please as you do. So what if it’s not the most efficient, or provides the most DPS. If the group as a whole is enjoying itself (after all, this is supposed to be a game about the ‘journey’ not the ‘destination’ as I keep being told), then what is the issue?

He’s asking for people to accept rangers into their groups.

But most people automatically assume the ranger is terrible without giving them a chance. That’s the issue here, and he’s simply pointing out that while yes some do suck, not all do and not all should be automatically rejected based on the failings of others.

Because the majority of people do not want to spend more time than they need to in a dungeon (sure you can say that not everyone wants to play that way, but the majority DO)

Ah yes… the whole ‘must get the cookie noooooooooow’ mentality that has infected so many. Gods forbid you take 5 or even 10 more minutes. You might miss a shiny you could have gotten because you had time for ‘just 1 more run.’ Such mentality is a disease.

You know what mentality is a disease? One that doesn’t get having a run last 10 minutes longer can actually be too much for a player like myself, with a family, house, job, etc. so stop telling me that that time doesn’t matter, because it matters to me, and other people who don’t have all the time in the world.

Also, it isn’t usually 10 minutes. If I run with an optimized group versus a free for all, on average, it’s about an hour longer.

Stop telling me false information. Stop spreading the real disease.

It is NOT an hour, that’s pure bullkitten, Stop Spreading false information, Stop Spreading the disease that is elitism, it doesn’t get you anywhere except hated by most people.

Might, fury, protection, regeneration, Aegis, Stability, Vigor, Blind, chill, Cripple, Immobilize, Vulnerability and Weakness are all Support. (and some utilities as well)

If you think there is no support you are definitily being unlucky in doing PUG’s, i see all these things when playing in a pug, yes damage is prevalent as killing things fast is more effective however there is loads of support, healing power is the 1 stat they should never have made for this game as it kinda makes people think/want to heal, instead they should have made -condition duration.

Anyway, to make it short, there is loads of support even in berserker builds.

Valento.9852:

Valarauka.2719:

I’m sorry, but this post feels like it’s six months old at the very least — even the “popular” pve meta has evolved a lot since then. If you’re still seeing 3w/1g/1m group requests those players haven’t looked up builds in forever. Warrior DPS is nowhere near the best; a single warrior is all a group needs for banners, beyond that you’re better off bringing other classes.

The only class that’s somewhat sub-par in dungeons is Necro, and that’s because they have no real party utility, and no vigor/evade/block/invuln which makes survival much harder (specially now that you can’t tank killing blows in DS anymore).

I don’t quite know a lot about necros, but aren’t Wells good for party utility? And AoE fears? Take it easy on me, I’m just asking.

Wells are pretty bad actually as they can kitten up the good Fields and don’t bring much either with a long cooldown as well, and Fear is pretty bad as well if you are fighting something and the necro just fears everything.

The best party utility necros have is probably Spectral Wall for the protection and that’s about it really.

The necromancer signet is so bad it’s insane, if people use it they are playing really badly. So you seeing it being used is nothing speciel really, i’ve seen a few from my Guild use A.E.D as well. It takes some skill/timing to use that’s true.

There needs to be more focus on support by “condition” professions such as Necromancer so Chill, Weakness, Chill, Fear actually does something usefull rather than just being “random” back before when Fear went through Defiant i could actually do interrupts on bosses to save team mates!, that’s support as well, the boon support is already pretty kitten good but we need more focus on the Condition support.

I got a precursor from the Warrior gear box you buy for 5 laurels, it was the rifle precursor, i had no idea one could get a precursor from that.

But you can get precursors from http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Warrior_Gear those.

As a necromancer i find it annoying that people assume i’m a bot just because i farm mats or whatever i do, even when i answer them in map chat they still call me a bot…. so don’t report every one you see, try and see if it’s a real person first before giving out a report please

I sell all my mats each the 1st and it yields between 60 and 200G for just picking up mats here and there and the exotics on occasions as well.

but atm i’m actually farming Chili peppers in Fireheart rise atm as it is quite good for earning some gold.

noelclover.9408:

Silent.4378:

Totally agree , every character ive made ends up been offensive. there no mechanics or need for a defensive person in a pve point of view.

So… I have one question.

What mechanics are you talking about here? You have blocks, blinds, dodges, stuns, knockbacks and skills that grant invulnerability.

PS: Not fully directed at you but also towards all who claim to want to play defensive characters. Quoting you because you put out the idea that there is a lack of mechanics for defensive play.

PPS: Really curious, hence question.

People only see the damage, sadly, the chill, blinds, cripples, dazes and so on is extremely good support but when people think support they (most often not always) thinks about either healing or tanking but support comes from way many more sources as said, boons, blinds, aegis, chill, cripple, weakness, knowckdown, knockbacks and so on.

Galtrix.7369:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

My main is a Ranger. Not any harder than any other profession. I have leveled them all to 80 and Ranger is actually the easiest because of its simplicity. Sit at range with a longbow , command pet to attack first and Boom , easy peasy mode.

I easily get groups for dungeons all the time. I can get into CoF, Arah, Fotm, and CoE no problem……. My zerker dps is as high if not higher than a GS war zerker. You obviously don’t know how to play Ranger Galtrix, no offense. Feel free to reply with disgust if you like.

Haha, I’m not one of those people that sends hate messages over a forum. But I have played a Ranger since Guild Wars 1 and have experimented with many, many builds for years. I basically studied Rangers in Guild Wars 1 and I continued that obsession in Guild Wars 2, but couldn’t get the same effect as I did in GW1. I found that the Ranger’s damage is the second worst in the game, only above Engineers. But opinions are opinions.

If you truly are serious about wanting the game to be harder, level an Elementalist and try not to die while completing personal story and doing dungeons.

Ranger damage is actually on par with most (if using sword) ranged damage will always be supbar.

Personally i don’t want more heavies the 2 already is annoying (to me that is i personally just dislike heavy armor in games).

Gives us 1 more light or 1 more medium, like in GW1 where we had 2 heavies (more than enough) 4 medium and 4 light armor i want the game to do that again more heavies are not needed guardian and warrior already fits everything about heavies that we know of.

Because when i do and beat some one i get flamed and told nasty things, especially when i survive 2-3 people for long enough time for my team to win/get ahead, people are total kittens in PvP that’s why i rarely do it.

klesk.1790:

Im a guardian and usually do dungeon runs. But plz to all necromancers….! would you guys plz stick to your normal condition builds.Somtimes i see necromancers,no mostly 10 out of 8 necros who come into dungeons with these ridiculuouse builds and contribute nothing to the party.

Especially these minion builders, for example, the next phase is fighting Arah lupi….and you com in with these 3 minions and fight lupi? Are you joking?

No i do not kick necromancers…I would rather hav 2 guardian and 1 full conditionmancer then 3 tanky guardians in dungeon runs.But the problem is most necros i see these days they com in with som weird spiders tat cant even last1 sec in dungeons.This is why somtimes you see “no necros or rangers” in lfg

Wat happen to all those hardcore condition Necros? Necros somtimes are good in som dungeons and a good backup and Ive seen som pretty good Necros time to time who finish off the work and contribute in dungeons.

What im saying is plz make a (guide-line) for necros who are new or old.

Only if you guardians stop using useless gear and traits then, “healing” guardians, “tanking” guardians should all kitten off really, they are useless a DPS guardian helps way more and has just as good support with his boons.

Also, minions are pretty kittening strong at the moment so don’t know what you’re takling about (excluding some paths ofc), Power necros are pretty good and strong, condition necros are pretty decent if there is only 1 condition specced profession in your team.

So when guardians start actually not sucking (PvT gear, Clerics gear, Sentinel gear) then you can talk.

You guys are totally kittening annoying they make a game with loads of free contents, some permanent most temporary they work hard as well to make this game, seriously if you guys dislike the game so much and what they are doing with it why the kitten are you still playing?.

I just don’t get it.

Raiff.6742:

I keep getting these memos late. PvE no good for Necro? Daggers bad? I run daggers and Signets, with scepter and focus/focus as a second set and I kill in waves. Add the new healing signet and spec for shroud and you almost never die (I had a veteran and 6 reg mobs on me, while being constantly interrupted before my first death).

Sorry guys, but I’m rocking PvE and WvW with no issues. shrug

I believe you but the new healing signet is not the one keeping you alive, at all, even blood fiend would do a better job of doing that

If you like PvE, PvP or WvWvW doesn’t change the fact that it’s still fairly useless trait for PvE necromancers, for WvWvW it’s good but the game should be for all modes of the game not just one or two.

But how do you keep up just 1 if fighting against a boss?.

I know he is, but just think, would they really even give us a gift at all, even if it’s kitten?

You guys clearly did not use some of the extremely good skills in Gw1 then if you can only think of 3 builds, i had my own builds for Hard Mode and Vanquishing and i can tell you that there was a kittenload of good skills to actually use and not only MM, SS and Orders.

Well that is assuming they even got out of their way to give us a gift though.

So few changes compared to every one else and it’s all bad stuff or worthless. How they can do this to necromancers over and over again is a puzzle to me.

Necromancer auto attack with axe is almost impossible to hit thiefs in stealth with, however as necro just use marks on yourself and stand on top of them and let the thief come to you. Much better.

Also Stealth is extremely strong as you can not see your enemies at all which in turn means he got the upperhand 100% of the time he is in stealth, you can get lucky and “see” his path before going stealth and pre use skills but it’s mostly about luck, Stealth is not OP as such it’s just an extremely bad mechanic for any game really.

Don’t worry, Warrior and guardians will always be the strongest in WvWvW and dungeons/fractals, PvP is another matter though.

We’re all saying: Our profession don’t need a nerf, i’m playing necro only in PvE so don’t worry i know how you feel about getting nerfed but your nerf is nothing really, you’ll still be wanted in PvE and WvWvW.

So many of you are total negatives and it’s saddening cause that means people that like the forums are gonna drop and all we are left with is you guys complaining about stuff you get for FREE every 2 weeks,

Go ahead though and make a better game that sells just as well and is as a live as this game, then when you announce something and fail on it you’ll see that not everything can be done easily, Arenanet have made a really great game with loads of free updates constantly, they keep, us as the playerbase, occupied all the time and doing lots of stuff for us, instead of just slinging criticism about everything in the game, either stop playing it a while and come back (again, it’s free to take a break) or give some constructive criticism they can actually work with instead of “OMG HALFBAKED CONTENT LOLOLLOLOLOO YOLO SWAG”.

There is loads of quality in these updates but it seems like most of you guys want the instant gratification you get when player other games, this won’t happen.

As a PvE necro the profession balance i’m meh about really, the ascended armor is just another power creep anyway but i am indeed excited for the christmas stuff!

Sepreh.5924:

Just thinking about unusual stuff for a second but what about something like:

Signet of (I can’t think of a good name):
Passive: generate x life force per second. (would have to be a decent amount)
Active: heal yourself (only a modest heal)

The passive would have to work while in deathshroud. If you trait properly, you could stay in DS with 100% uptime and DS would really be your primary health pool. If you lost all LF, you would be in trouble

Not sure if this type of a heal would be practical but something like it would be interesting

It’s really strong that skill if it was to happen, but i freaking love that idea.

I would love a healing skill that gives up protection for 5 seconds on a 25 second cooldown, nothing really new but i would love it still.

However your idea of LF into health sounds quite intriguing (sp?) But how should it work?, I see 2 ideas, 1: Losing LF constantly and get healing from it like regeneration or heal yourself depending on how much life force you have.

Healing in Deathshroud would be something awesome as well though.

Can’t you just do a 41 twice and skip 40?, ofcourse 50 you can’t skip this way but 40 there is a workaround.

Chokolata.1870:

necromancers are quite amazing in fractals actually . Power necro i mean

Do you mean the 30/25/0/0/15 power necro with dagger/warhorn?, yeah they are still far behind most other professions and brings no group support that matters, except maybe weakness for trash which can easily be done by anyone without using any extra traits, Power necros are decent at bosses, good at trash, most other professions are Good at Trash but Great/awesome at bosses.

You can get your compensation when fractals don’t have too much disparity between professions.

Face it, guardians, mesmers eles and thiefs are great for fractals at 48+, even in pugs, but that leaves 4 other professions fairly useless because the way they made the fractals so when you advocate for balance in PvE between professions i will advocate for you guys to actually get a compensation.

Do not worry, guardiand and elementalists will show on the leaderboards the most, maybe with warriors up there as well, other professions will be decent or poor leaderboards will hopefully get arenanet to see the imbalance of professions in PvE dungeons/fractals

Weakness changes for the necro profession won’t help much in PvE because of Defiant and Unshakable, 2 really poor things that makes necros not wanted in lot of PvE, You could put Chill on instead of Weakness and i think more necro builds would come up.

I would be more excited if the entire election did seem quite dubious really, but i guess that it will be somewhat decent at best.

Can’t wait to try it out though, as i really want to see what they are doing with it.

I agree necromancer can be decent in a few areas in fractals but mainly as condition spec , i would just like a few little tweaks so we had something usefull at higher levels, again talking about power necros, i know my profession really really good, yet for fractals i just feel like dead weight on my necromancer.

Don’t know what they can do to enhance it though.

I did make another 80 to get some levels done, but i would still prefer if i could actually do something fairly usefull for the group on my necromancer, and yeah i have legendary and awesome looks on him and i really love playing necro as well.

leovuo.5046:

Sorry for the derail but I am surprised by some reactions regarding the DS fix. How is having 200 points left of DS, taking a 6K hit and but soaking up the entire hit balanced or not bugged? You shouldn’t have more points in DS than you are given, right? Or is there something I’m missing?

Sorry for the derail but I am surprised How is having 200 points left of health, taking a 6K hit and but soaking up the entire hit with Aegis/blocks/invulnerabilities You shouldn’t have more health than you are given, right? Or is there something I’m missing?

So you are doing fractal 40+ on your necromancer?, cause if you are i would love a video showcasing it as i’ve been turned down million of times because i am a necromancer. We bring almost nothing to the table (compared to all other professions) but we do have great condition removal though.

Bhawb.7408:

I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the forums. Realize that the forums are for two kinds of people: people who feel the class is terrible and come to complain, or people who are very much invested in the class and want to try to make it better (which can often do the first thing inadvertently).

Necros are fine in PvP. Even when we were arguably at our weakest, good players made them work.

Necros are fine in WvW, in every situation, to varying degrees of success and with different builds.

PvE is too easy for you to ever care. But even then, Necromancers are fine.

When it comes to the two PvP modes, just get used to the fact that you are going to be a target. At its worst, you just need to play better than your opponent (oh no!). But it is entirely doable in every way.

PvE, not only isn’t hard enough for it to matter, but we aren’t too far off from other classes. Is it subpar to run a Necro? Yes. Who cares? Elitists or idiots (people you don’t want to run with anyway). Fact is, using minions my Fractal group 4 manned an entire fractal run last night after our 5th quit. And I solo’d the Imbued Shaman after my team died, again with minions (I didn’t kill it, but my minions distracted him while I healed up my team, from completely dead). Necromancers, while being subpar for the most optimized of PvE groups, we actually can provide a lot of safety that others don’t. But again, when the only difference is a 20 minute dungeon run, or a 22 minute dungeon run who the hell cares.

Now, does this mean Necros don’t need a lot of work still? No. But even if you can consider us very lacking in many areas, we’re still workable.

So as the title says, can we as power necros please get something so we’re wanted in a fractal group and not seen as a hindrance?

spoj.9672:

Xyonon.3987:

-> DS penetration <- it’s compared to cleave too 3x 6-9k

And warriors cleave without doing kitten dps. Trying to justify a build because it has piercing doesnt work. The damage from lifeblast isnt good enough even with piercing. You would need to hit about 12k consistantly with lifeblast and pierce to compete with warrior. And im sure I dont need to tell you how unreliable piercing is compared to real cleave. Theres no point comparing pierce/cleave dps when looking at necro. Focus on single target or pick another class.

even in your full “ascended” stuff auto dagger does not do 12k either per second.

The best build is still and always will be the one you are comfortable with not some “math” people do because they think they are smart or whatever.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

It’s a PvE thing I think. The mantras are godlike for dungeons and whatnot, they basically obsolete guardians.

Guardians are already obsolete though, atleast if you play with just semi decent people.

Maybe Sigil of Night?, 5 of 8 dungeons is night time and there is also a fair few night time fractals.

Spitjaw.2987:

I must say OP has really good points there.

It beats me how can people not realise simple fact that holly trinity would made boss fights ( mechanics), so much more versatile and interesting then without heal,tank,dps system.

PVE in GW2 lacking sooo much (i am speaking for myself here) and is just outright boring.

ON the other hand,i like how current system works in PVP and combat system is very interesting and fun (tho there is WAST space for improvements),so i am kinda split with my opinnion bout holly trinity.

For me..it sucks in PVE and i hate PVE in this game,but it works pretty good in PVP.

Oh yes…for people who thinks that they would have problem to find groups,did you read LFG pannel latelly?:P

Its like..you open it and in description you see (all in caps ofc) “ONLY WARRIORS AND MESMERS”…." ONLY 5K ACHI POINTS PEOPLE" (this is easily my favourite ever:P) and kitten like that.

Its there guys..you dont need holly trinity for this kind of behaviour .

Cheers

So you mean like, “tanks get aggro”, DO DAMAGE and don’t care about kitten?" you mean that trinity? yeah it’s so much fun standing there pressing a rotation.

Clerics gear should never be used (in PvE/dungeons) as support is almost always wasted, support is awesome in WvWvW where these buffs will shine so yeah nice buff for WvWvW necromancers.