Guild Wars 2

Diehard.1432:

Bones.5762:

It’s not whining , it’s more like a response to your boast and chest thumping of how you are at 4am in the morning when nobody is online saying ownage, i can’t handle servers like that, it honestly just annoys me seeing CD players act like kids, saying like they’ve never been there before. Grow up.

Last time I checked, we were all quiet about it. You guys started whining first. But what do I care, you are only a one man guild and a loud one at that

Check again, I might be just one man, but so are you. You have friends? So do i, I call them maguumans.

Also the reason i don’t join a big guild is, i want them to know who it was that killed them, i want them to say, oh this guy is [Not Too Bad].

TheFug.5278:

Bones.5762:

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Bones.5762:

MrKnieves.4162:

TheFug.5278:

Zheen, you realize that you are absolutely a terrible commander right?

Absolutely terrible. One of the worst I have ever seen.

Do not come on this forum and act like you are relevant or that you have any idea what is really going on.

LOL!!!

You’re entitled to your opinion, and several people said the contrary so meh. My first priority is to have fun and plenty of people agree with me (and follow me whenever im commanding), the rest is irrelevant.

Agreed first and foremost. I don’t agree that that another player from CD should not bash on a commander from his server especially. If you dislike him just don’t follow him and ignore, don’t publicly bash him, it makes you look really bad. If people follow him they must either (a) be having fun, or (b) doing a good job.

U r 2 srs here. Commanders don’t earn this place on the field by experience. They just buy an icon. I don’t think anyone cares or looks down at another server that openly flogs a bad commander.

Yes they buy their icons, but people should know by know who is a good commander and who is bad. Choose accordingly unless he is your only commander in your server.

My argument good sir was don’t publicly attack someone, for (a) its against ToS, (b) its makes you look bad, © people judge commanders too harshly when all they want to do is enjoy a game. So maybe it’s you guys who are taking this game too seriously, Zheen obviously just wants to enjoy the game, if you aren’t enjoying this game for whatever reason I feel sorry for you.

You realize that just a few posts up Zheenn was calling other commanders “noob” commanders right.

You saw that right?

I mean, I can’t be the only one who saw that.

If zheenn just wanted to enjoy the game, then he would not have specifically come to this forum to do exactly what you are saying we shouldn’t be doing, which is calling out other people.

The hypocrisy on this forum makes me weep.

Also for the record, my last run in with Zheenn he refused to turn off his commander icon and refused to commit the pubs to any keeps. When asked to turn off his icon he refused to because “it doesn’t matter” and “he’s just here to have fun”, while he beat on the doors of a keep with melee weapons. You can’t have that kind of attitude and then come to the forums to call others noob commanders for doing exactly what you did.

I guess he did, overlooked it, but my point is to not bash other players, whether its commanders or just randoms. Keep your cool, keep the internal problems of your server inside the map chat of LA.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Bones.5762:

MrKnieves.4162:

TheFug.5278:

Zheen, you realize that you are absolutely a terrible commander right?

Absolutely terrible. One of the worst I have ever seen.

Do not come on this forum and act like you are relevant or that you have any idea what is really going on.

LOL!!!

You’re entitled to your opinion, and several people said the contrary so meh. My first priority is to have fun and plenty of people agree with me (and follow me whenever im commanding), the rest is irrelevant.

Agreed first and foremost. I don’t agree that that another player from CD should not bash on a commander from his server especially. If you dislike him just don’t follow him and ignore, don’t publicly bash him, it makes you look really bad. If people follow him they must either (a) be having fun, or (b) doing a good job.

U r 2 srs here. Commanders don’t earn this place on the field by experience. They just buy an icon. I don’t think anyone cares or looks down at another server that openly flogs a bad commander.

Yes they buy their icons, but people should know by know who is a good commander and who is bad. Choose accordingly unless he is your only commander in your server.

My argument good sir was don’t publicly attack someone, for (a) its against ToS, (b) its makes you look bad, © people judge commanders too harshly when all they want to do is enjoy a game. So maybe it’s you guys who are taking this game too seriously, Zheen obviously just wants to enjoy the game, if you aren’t enjoying this game for whatever reason I feel sorry for you.

Decklan.7540:

It doesn’t require team work to tell 20 people to click on a purple circle when its ready. That’s like saying it requires team work to tell 20 people to attack the grub.

You know what requires team work? Protecting a flank against a wave of attackers who decided to pincer your siege team…oh wait sorry just got portal bombed.

yes it doesnt require people to press f to be coordinated, but being able to portal bomb an objective successfully, i’ve countered portal bombs before a decent amount of time, just as much as i’ve pulled off a portal bomb myself. Its one of the best tactics when being outnumbered i find, because they don’t expect it most of the time, allowing you to defend against their sieges. Protecting a flank of invaders is probably easier to pull off, all you do is just scout and keep some players spread, then say INC left side.

They are busy making holiday events, i don’t blame them, because i honestly love wvw, but i can’t do it all the time, so when new pve events come i go enjoy it.

MrKnieves.4162:

TheFug.5278:

Zheen, you realize that you are absolutely a terrible commander right?

Absolutely terrible. One of the worst I have ever seen.

Do not come on this forum and act like you are relevant or that you have any idea what is really going on.

LOL!!!

You’re entitled to your opinion, and several people said the contrary so meh. My first priority is to have fun and plenty of people agree with me (and follow me whenever im commanding), the rest is irrelevant.

Agreed first and foremost. I don’t agree that that another player from CD should not bash on a commander from his server especially. If you dislike him just don’t follow him and ignore, don’t publicly bash him, it makes you look really bad. If people follow him they must either (a) be having fun, or (b) doing a good job.

good idea

If not, turn them into mascot statues where we can vote for our mascot weekly in LA. I want the overgrown grub as my mascot.

Slamz.5376:

Diehard.1432:

I pray for Fort Aspenwood not getting bashed or called “mindless zergs” on this forum next week, IF they do move down to tier 4

Personally I have no beef with CD. They have a much bigger Oceanic presence than Maguuma + Ehmry combined. Good for them, though I’ll be happy to see the backside of them. Logging in every day to see the entire map owned by one team is never going to be very fun. I hope Fort Aspenwood is just more on our level in terms of nighttime presence.

You really can’t avoid the “mindless zerg” accusations when one team shows up with 50 players to the enemy’s 5. Even if they aren’t a mindless zerg, there’s no way to prove it!

Really I just wish Arenanet would lock down transfers so we could get more balanced fights. I imagine Crystal Desert probably was tier 4 material before they got an influx of players. Now they are at least tier 3 material but we’ve had to put up with the population imbalance for 2 weeks while the ranks adjust themselves.

Yes that’s true no way to prove a zerg is mindless at night, unless you were actually there and they just threw countless bodies at the keep/tower to gain it, but i guess it wouldn’t matter considering they have nothing to lose the only thing left from turning that one part of the map their pretty little color. But i honestly see it as mindless when a group outnumbered can handle a greatly bigger group, for example if its lets say 10v30, and the 10 is able to handle the 30, it means they are exceptionally well coordinated or the 30 is bad, or both.

Slamz.5376:

Hackuuna.4085:

No. Last week:

Maguuma gained 2.9 rank points.
Ehmry Bay lost 8.8 rank points.

I believe that’s showing you the point total for the previous week. So last week shows you the evolution from the-week-before-last, when you came in second place and gained 8.8 rank points.

If that’s not correct then I have no idea how you could gain 8 rank points by coming in 3rd place. You would have lost points versus both Ehmry and Crystal Desert.

The ranking system is easy, if you guys score lets say 10,000 points last week, and this week only scored 9,000 for your total you lost rank points even if we came in last place. We got more score than our last i believe making us gain points. With the way the ranking system is set up even CD could lose alot of rank points if the match is close and they win just by a margin.

because i heard you guys gained alot of point the tier before this boost you rank points really high, but you failed to reach that point mark to gain any rank points.

MrKnieves.4162:

Bones.5762:

I don’t know if this is true but a CD player told me that CD was trying to shut us down and purposely focus us to lose to EB. That totally made me laugh, if it’s true then CD is intimidated as they should be. No offense to EB but it takes all of CD night crew to shut us down for us to lose to EB, i don’t know if EB is in the right tier. all of CD was in mag bl for 6hours late last night gaining very slow momentum when they had us outnumbered 2:1 if not 3:1 not leaving our bl once, til they hit an unpenetrable keep in the east. We all just got bored of defending at 8am and just left the keep in the morning and decided to karma train.

That requires organization and good synergy between players, CD doesn’t have that, so whoever told you that is lying.

aparently it was everywhere in the map chat he said, thats what he heard from other players, also it’s not an alliance with EB he said, he said they only wanted to knock us down a tier, but it wouldn’t matter because if it happens we faceroll the tier below i believe and that’s no fun. I rather be the team losing instead of the team dominating because you have more things you can do.

I wish i could believe that they are just troll, but i actually see some of them as the casual CD players that post.

I don’t know if this is true but a CD player told me that CD was trying to shut us down and purposely focus us to lose to EB. That totally made me laugh, if it’s true then CD is intimidated as they should be. No offense to EB but it takes all of CD night crew to shut us down for us to lose to EB, i don’t know if EB is in the right tier. all of CD was in mag bl for 6hours late last night gaining very slow momentum when they had us outnumbered 2:1 if not 3:1 not leaving our bl once, til they hit an unpenetrable keep in the east. We all just got bored of defending at 8am and just left the keep in the morning and decided to karma train.

It’s not whining , it’s more like a response to your boast and chest thumping of how you are at 4am in the morning when nobody is online saying ownage, i can’t handle servers like that, it honestly just annoys me seeing CD players act like kids, saying like they’ve never been there before. Grow up.

Slamz.5376:

Bones.5762:

Not to throw fire on oil, but did anyone noticed how EB lost rank points and Mag gained rank points? Just and FYI for those that care about points i guess.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Last week:

• Maguuma lost 39 rank points.
• Ehmry Bay gained 9.

That’s why I said their current gaming strategy of “play for 2nd place” is going to keep them stuck in tier 4 forever. Crystal Desert stomped Maguuma+Ehmry for two weeks now because only Maguuma pugs seem to put any pressure on CD.

If you guys would actually go for the point leaders, you might win once in a while.

Next week will be Maguuma vs Ehmry again, looking like Fort Aspenwood coming down and CD moving up. I predict it will again be Maguuma in 2nd or 3rd place because once another team squeaks ahead of you, you give up and let them keep 1st.

you’re looking at the current matchup, look up the past match up. Also we don’t necessarily seem to focus you guys, it’s just you guys dont focus CD and focus us, so we go play in your bl and actually end up taking major objectives. earlier today we went to your bl just to relieve stresss off our bl from you guys, and we ended up taking ur keep, making your gorup head back to your bl i believe, they seemed nonexistant afterwards.

Also because you can’t seem to know what the points actually are, we aren’t losing to EB in points, someone trolled the MoS points system.

sardonic wrath.5690:

gg, Maguuma, it was fun destroying your zergs all day. Face it. when you meet us head-on with even numbers out in the field – no siege – you get stomped. I was the Charr guardian leading charges. you know quite well who I am if you were in Mag BL most of the day. And lol @ the fact nobody was smart enough to try and backdoor us at Greenbriar. . maybe saw a group of 5 there, gg to that Norn guardian that took me down in front over there.

Oh, and response to the “zerg with golems to take a tower picture.” I was the one that called for golems. You ninja’d Shad Hills as we were taking Dreadfall Bay. Unfortunately for you, that was our guild’s keep, and it was met with a swift and brutal response due to our organization. But I’ve got to commend the stealth tactics guys, you’re smart, knowing you can never beat us in an evenly matched fight. gg Maguuma.

LOL even numbers? you must be on drugs, anyone on at this time talking about even number is high. we have less then 30 atm, maybe 23ish. You guys are fielding out 60+players easy, Any CD who fails to acknowledge they had numbers at night is clearly overbiased with egos too high for this forum. I’m sorry to say that i’m just farming you for badges and lvls on my alt because i can’t take your night crew seriously, like cmon

free frage.8952:

correction

WAS UR GARRISON

congrats, it took over 5hours of siege, 60+ players, 4-5golems, and countless deaths on your part, you really earned it. I’ve never seen more dedicated players. If we didn’t have to split our forces all the time, you wouldve never took garrison. we had only 4 people in garrison when you guys first started that portal bomb to destroy our sieges.

KamikazKid.4872:

Sorry to burst your bubble exits but there hasn’t been a queue for Maguuma’s BL, I know that because I’ve been running supply from our BL for a good 2 hours now.

idk, if you guys really think your doing so good when were outnumbered 2:1 and can’t even cap our garrison when you guys laid siege for over 4hours now, it’s just hilarious. I’m having a blast spamming (f)

azizul.8469:

to the Mags squad that got wiped trying to capture the Bay keep in your own borderland while we were attacking your Garrison an hour ago, that’s way to be so-called organized… lol

your truly,

proud zergling of CD

LOL, we number around 35 or so only, and this is seriously the first time ive seen a enemy group so huge, u guys number at least 60, you can’t even zerg your way to our garrison so don’t be so happy getting farmed for badges. I definitely understand what people mean by 50man zerg, ive never seen such a huge zerg even on friday resets.

I’m pretty sure you guys hit the limit for the que, and still have ques trying to get to our bl, but ok. zerg away so i can farm, you’ve helped me level my ele 4x already just defending garrison.

Raincrow.1840:

zastari.1730:

Someone obviously didn’t make it to Sun Tzu chapter 421 — Avoiding Forum Flamebait by Not Dumping Five Paragraphs of Obtuse Whining at Every Opportunity

So you had no interest in any real discussion at all. Nice to know.

Don’t be such a tight wad, relax a little bit, just play the game, i know zastari is having a blast messing with you. i’m sure we all trolled someone in this forum once or twice, if you let it get to you then you just been trolled.

Ambrosiaa.6054:

Bones.5762:

Ambrosiaa.6054:

I’ve managed to rack up 6k kills from last week and today alone. I would like to thank the maguumans

LOL, 6k only? i’m at 11k. don’t try to act all high and mighty with 6k kills, i’ve seen players with 17k kills already n im sure more already. If you’re only at 6k, it just means you like to zerg small man groups or even solo players too much.

Learn to read bro. I said i’ve racked up 6k kills in JUST last week. I’m at 17k kills total if you must know.

Sorry about misreading your post, it was just too ego driven for me to give it a second thought, but congrats for manning arrow carts instead of being on the front line.

Jamaz.9837:

Bones.5762:

It made me laugh so hard when EB fliped back their keep in the east from CD when CD attacked us in our keep in the west but failed. Great job on EB’s part for capitalizing.

Also mad props to Shadowmoon players, you guys sure kept things alive and fun when it was around 4am. I thought you guys did a great job wiping us when we had 15vs10 against you, it was one of the very few times our groups wiped. You guys coordinate extremely well, props to your commanders.

Appreciate the comment; what guild were you in?

I was just dumbstruck when Maguuma had outmanned buff around 1 AM when we saw a ball of your players. Then 5 minutes later, we had outmanned buff when I saw at least 30 of our own dots on my map. It was just ridiculous how Crystal Desert fielded 3 different guilds with 40 players+ each over the entire night.

We held out until 5 AM waiting for reinforcements since Friday nights are normally popular for us. It’s just help never came, so we weren’t able to retake our borderland with just our guild group of 10. Our poor turn out must be for the same reason Maguuma was mentioning last week; just bored and tired of being unable to win in the same match up.

It was really weird because outmanned buff kept popping on and off every like 5-10mins, we thought it was glitched or something, but if you guys see it too guess we mightve been lol. We had only about 30 players total spread over areas and lots of great scouting for quick mobility making it look like we had alot of players when we had 30 at best around 1am but i’m sure this was more close to 20-25. Yea alot of us dedicated players stayed til 6am or later defending the keep til we got the waypoint, but it fliped before i woke back up so lol, quite sad i was but it happens.

I’m not in a particular guild because i just recently xfer over to maguuma a week ago, and was testing the water with the server, but they coordinate so well with their server mumble i actually didn’t need to find a guild, so i run my one man troll guild Not Too Bad [NTB]

Raincrow.1840:

Bones.5762:

I ALWAYS stay away from commanders who believe bodies are what is needed to take an objective for hours. There are times when you can take it which is ok, but if you have wiped out 2-3x already just pack it up and call it gg. It personally is just too demoralizing to do that, now its a different scenario when defending, revive and run back to objective asap and defend with your life.

I would do that too… but often when I go look for something else to do. There’s not much. When you have a good sized lead in points, and the enemy really isn’t doing anything to take back SMC, or challenge your own border lands… there isn’t much else to do but go into the enemy garrison and chuck grenades at the guys on the wall, and rez the fallen.

Yeah i don’t blame you guys for having nothing to do, nobody is attacking you guys in your bl for whatever reason, i know why Maguuma stopped, but no need to go into that unless you want to know. Only place left is to go to Mag bl or EB bl, since you guys always have a great presence in eternal battlegrounds.

I’m not asking you guys to stopped doing this, because its actually fun, for me at least, i enjoy playing the game and not looking at the score, yes score does get me a little bit happy but doesn’t satisfy me as much as killing invaders.

Raincrow.1840:

Bones.5762:

I don’t necessarily see it as a bad server seeing as you are right, you have nothing to lose, but i sometimes wonder how the other players that charge there with your commanders feel, like they are almost being led to imminent death. My example for this would be the endless assault on bay keep in EB bl, countless siege and bodies sacrificed, for nothing while EB takes back their keep in the east from you guys, eventually i think that group got really demoralized because they never came back in force later, and everything they tried to even cap our supply camp we would snag them (both EB and CD). Hell we were able to build a waypoint for that keep finally at 6am in the morning with max supplies with 8hours of nonstop siege frmo both servers, but it flipped sometime this morning i heard.

PS
to the guy who trebbed our keep for HOURS and nothing came from it, i really feel your pain, because i confine myself to treb duty sometimes and if nothing comes from it, it feels like a waste of time.

Those are good points. I’ll only personally stay with a commander who’s leading us into death traps for a very short time. It’s up to everyone else how long they want to stay there.

I ALWAYS stay away from commanders who believe bodies are what is needed to take an objective for hours. There are times when you can take it which is ok, but if you have wiped out 2-3x already just pack it up and call it gg. It personally is just too demoralizing to do that, now its a different scenario when defending, revive and run back to objective asap and defend with your life.

Raincrow.1840:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Holy… wow… you literally missed the entirety of what I was saying.

How so? Did you not insinunate that zerging is as dishonarable as hacking.?

GuardianOMS.8067:

It’s funny you say you can keep us busy while you’re failing at doing something, because we still send groups into other BLs, even when under heavy seige. There are also solo groups roaming around that do what they want. So we’re still capping things as you throw bodies at Garrison.

Not enough to dent the scoreboard. But keep playing for 2nd, if that’s the goal.

playing for fun

check

Besetment.9187:

saiyr.3071:

The way I see it, EB was willing to evenly divide our borderlands in half in CD (happy coincidence?) but in CD they didn’t feel like sticking to their own side. For all of the talk I’ve heard of trying to split CD down the middle, that was a pretty bad execution. The result is that you guys made us leave CD and go to your borderlands, and a lot of us stayed there until we went to sleep. So yeah, it looks like we’re focusing you now, just like it looked like you were focusing us earlier.

That division is the natural equilibrium of the borderland maps. Assuming roughly equal numbers:

Western Quadrant: West spawn attacker can easily hold and upgrade South West Tower/Supply Camp and easily take West Keep. It is very easy to lose West Keep though due to the safe trebs against it.

Eastern Quadrant: East spawn attacker can easily hold and upgrade South East Tower/Supply Camp and can easily hold East Keep. Its very hard to take back East Keep once lost though.

Northern Quadrant: Defender can easily hold North Supply Camp, both North East/West Towers and Garrison. Of the two north towers, east is harder to take back than west. Garrison can be backdoored through the watergate and losing Garrison often means the Defender loses map control/force projection. They lose the ability to safe treb West Keep, thus keeping West spawn attacker in their place.

Southern Quadrant: This is South West Tower, South Supply Camp, Ruins and South East Tower. Ruins is unique because it is the one of very few strategically important locations on the map that isn’t an objective. But this doesn’t come into play unless both attackers try to cannibalize each other.

The North West, North East and South Supply Camps are king makers. All teams figh to control them so they can get a supply advantage when trying to break through from one quadrant into another quadrant.

Its very hard for a West Spawn attacker to take and hold North West Tower due to proximity to defender’s spawn and invulnerable zone on cliffs. Its also very hard for an attacking side to get supply into the North Towers because North Supply Camp is too easy for defenders to take back.

Borderlands are designed so that two attacks are on one defender. If its only 1 vs 1 then the defender has a natural advantage. There are some places like ruins that allow attackers to 1up each other but there is rarely any strategic advantage in doing that, unless you have totally broken the defender first.

So 2 vs 1 is fine on Borderlands. I would argue that its supposed to be that way in every map. All servers hold on to their quadrant and then fight over the kingmaker supply camps to gain enough advantage to punch through into another quadrant. Defender is always priority target.

In the higher tier servers, its easier to maintain a presence in every borderland to do this but population drops off after reset pretty dramatically too. In tier 4 and below, most servers will not be able to field players in all 3 borderlands at any point in the day, so we usually elect to ignore one. Mags can rarely queue more than one borderland midweek + Eternal with enough left over for a havoc squad or two in another BL. The BL we traditionally ignore is the one where we have West Spawn because it requires alot more people to hold onto it than the East Spawn. The only exception is if we know we can break Defender (i.e. they are seriously outmanned and the other attacker is absent).

Last weekend, Maguuma Borderlands was the only map that was consistently played like that. The others were mainly 1 vs 1 or were 100% controlled most of the day. Its not a bad thing is if happens in all 3 borderlands since the score difference won’t be huge. But for whatever reason, Mag BL last week looked like the softer target, so everyone piled on it and there was a score blowout. Score blowouts lead to lots of people sitting out on one server, and lots of people piling in on another to farm badges, which makes the imbalance worse.

I remember scouting CD and EBay borderland late last week and EBay was the less ravaged. They were sitting on full supply and everything was fully upgraded so we hit CD borderland because their stuff wasn’t as hard to take. On Thursday last, they had an all green map for hours and still hadn’t reinforced North East Tower gate. Very sloppy!

+1

Raincrow.1840:

zastari.1730:

I read this in Sun Tzu chapter 420 titled Stalling Enemy Points-Per-Tick by Corpse Bombing. Watch out, this guy is a master strategist and keeps up with the important literature.

This game isn’t real life my friend. There is no “Corpse Bombing” in Sun Tzu because in real life you can’t die more than once.

THIS IS A GAME. When we already hold 75% of the map there is no downside to zerging your garrison. It keeps you from splitting into smaller groups, retaking key positions, and spreading our numbers thin. We lose NOTHING in that anyone who dies can return to the fight.

The idea that this is a bad strategy, is, as much as you want to pretend it’s not… just more bitterness at losing.

The main thing you’re missing as well is that if we were to split into smaller groups and just sit around defending / upgrading, we’d be having less fun. I for one WvW to fight. Not to upgrade keeps for no reason.

You’re too busy reading Sun Tzu to know that a less fun strat means less people interested in coming into WvW. Maybe that’s part of your own server’s problem. Think about that.

I don’t necessarily see it as a bad server seeing as you are right, you have nothing to lose, but i sometimes wonder how the other players that charge there with your commanders feel, like they are almost being led to imminent death. My example for this would be the endless assault on bay keep in EB bl, countless siege and bodies sacrificed, for nothing while EB takes back their keep in the east from you guys, eventually i think that group got really demoralized because they never came back in force later, and everything they tried to even cap our supply camp we would snag them (both EB and CD). Hell we were able to build a waypoint for that keep finally at 6am in the morning with max supplies with 8hours of nonstop siege frmo both servers, but it flipped sometime this morning i heard.

PS
to the guy who trebbed our keep for HOURS and nothing came from it, i really feel your pain, because i confine myself to treb duty sometimes and if nothing comes from it, it feels like a waste of time.

JaNordy.6149:

Superior CD tactics, also I give Magnuma a bad rep

I don’t get y u said maguuma, it shows CD by the catapult but ok?

cainejw.7142:

Bones.5762:

Sorry for any maguuman hate, but it’s probably from no good experience with EB posts, anytime they have something to say it’s never anything really good. There are so few EB posts about mag tht has anything half decent to say.

I think it comes from a really small group of people who are really vocal. It’s unfortunate, seeing how EB and Maguuma seem to fight each other so darn much! We should learn to just enjoy each other. I think it’s starting to happen slowly but surely.

We just need representatives from both servers who aren’t bickering constantly! I’ve had some pretty fun matchups with Maguuma, too. It’s always fun to defend against you guys or try to find ways around the tricks, too.

Man, i have fun when we all fight in force for a long time, the fights never are as long as CD because you guys know when the fight is over, but man yesterday when you guys kept trebbing bay keep for hours, we literally just had to wait to defend for hours playing really passive, and alot of the time when we made a move towards a location in a decent size force leaving around 5man to man sieges and call out invaders is when you guys invaded, really bad timing and luck i guess lol. But all in all, i plan to be in EB bl most of the time if i’m not required to go defend our bl.

Chewy.9263:

For those of you who couldn’t understand the run-on sentence, he is referring to the low drop rate of badges when killing players in WvW. And to you my friend, getting badges is best done through the jumping puzzles. I say good day.

lol true, but depends on situations at times as well, if the enemy pushes into your garrison/keep and you guys effectively make choke points with siege, you can farm badges. I got about 80 badges from last night within about 6hours, but after that drop rate got insanely low like there was some kind of diminish return, because i continued to play for an additional 4 hours, and got only about 5-10badges at best.

Not to throw fire on oil, but did anyone noticed how EB lost rank points and Mag gained rank points? Just and FYI for those that care about points i guess.

cainejw.7142:

GuardianOMS.8067:

cainejw.7142:

whoosh

I never said you were doing it to tarnish our win, I said you were doing it to play the victim card. I could care less that we’re winning over you and CD is winning over everyone.

Lol, I’m being rabid about winning but you’re noting how CD is keeping you in third place. Okay.

Ninja edit

I’m getting very tired of having to constantly placate some incredibly overly-sensitive PVPers because they can’t tolerate comments on what another server is doing as an action.

It’s not an inability to tolerate comments. It’s having to put up with people making inaccurate comments and always whining about why they’re losing or being hit. If you’re so tired of it, you probably shouldn’t come on general forums.

See, here’s the problem with your post: I don’t care that we’re in third place. I don’t care if we’re in second. I don’t care if we win. I want to enjoy the game and have fun. I want to discuss the tactics and moves of other servers in a constructive way. I want to have an open and honest conversation about WvWvW with fellow fans of the game.

I have a feeling that this will not faze you at all, though. You have it set in your mind that I am upset or angry at being in third place or not winning. You’re set in thinking that I’m jealous of CD being in first. I’m really not. I think it’s great because I have friends on CD who are benefiting from your winning at the moment.

Also, I have just as much right to be on this forum as you do. I paid for my game just like you did, and I can access the forums until my access is revoked. You do not decide if I get to come here. I can only hope that you see that I’m engaging you in a respectful, open, honest manner.

Sorry for any maguuman hate, but it’s probably from no good experience with EB posts, anytime they have something to say it’s never anything really good. There are so few EB posts about mag tht has anything half decent to say.

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

Yes, because we should abandon our keep in your bl to go around and karma train supply camps. I honestly don’t think i will be leaving EB bl, and this is just me, but because EB focused heavily on us during last week i plan on just staying here all week til needed back in our own BL, but those guys are doing a great job at defending it.

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

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Maybe you shouldn’t have started the match like this

Yes, how dare Ehmry Bay try to push any assault!

So it’s okay for that guy to complain that we’re focusing you but not okay to point out that you did the exact same thing? Okay!

I’m seeing that Ehmry pushed both CD and Maguuma borderlands. How is that focusing? I don’t know if you see this in CD’s borderlands, but there’s quite a few fights on the west side.

The way I see it, EB was willing to evenly divide our borderlands in half in CD (happy coincidence?) but in CD they didn’t feel like sticking to their own side. For all of the talk I’ve heard of trying to split CD down the middle, that was a pretty bad execution. The result is that you guys made us leave CD and go to your borderlands, and a lot of us stayed there until we went to sleep. So yeah, it looks like we’re focusing you now, just like it looked like you were focusing us earlier.

But to be frank, we just don’t have enough Mumble presence to cover three borderlands, even on opening night now. We were down 50% from just a few weeks ago in terms of numbers. EB and EB (hurr) were the only places we had significant progress after that stuff happened, so it was pretty logical to go to Ehmry and our own borderlands because we had a large guild handling Eternal.

10hours of nonstop defense and upgrades on west keep in EB bl, was exhausting, but fun, even when CD pinched us from the side, we portaled bomb their siege like 3x wiping them out 3×. It made me laugh so hard when EB fliped back their keep in the east from CD when CD attacked us in our keep in the west but failed. Great job on EB’s part for capitalizing.

Also mad props to Shadowmoon players, you guys sure kept things alive and fun when it was around 4am. I thought you guys did a great job wiping us when we had 15vs10 against you, it was one of the very few times our groups wiped. You guys coordinate extremely well, props to your commanders.

Ambrosiaa.6054:

I’ve managed to rack up 6k kills from last week and today alone. I would like to thank the maguumans

LOL, 6k only? i’m at 11k. don’t try to act all high and mighty with 6k kills, i’ve seen players with 17k kills already n im sure more already. If you’re only at 6k, it just means you like to zerg small man groups or even solo players too much.

I’m just saying, i don’t think its cowardly to walk away from a fight you think you can’t win, in fact it just means tht commander leading you is smart. There were a couple scenarios we knew we couldn’t win and the commander literally said don’t get farmed for badges, back off. I really admire CD relentless attacks for hours, it’s actually the most fun, so if it changes the hour long fun only becomes minutes.

Raincrow.1840:

ykyk.2740:

CD complained that TC were a mindless zerg when you guys were in T3, and now it’s your turn to dish it out.

Actually the accusation against TC’s zerg wasn’t that they were “mindless” it was that they were cowardly. Just to clerify

Idk, maybe they just know when to back off instead of being farmed for badges for hours.

I personally love my engineer, great survivablity as well as damage, and many skills to play support, the most verstatile class in this game in my opinion, just about any build you can make it work. Lots of cc abilities, lots of aoe damage, decent healing abilities for others/self, also gnade kit underwater battle owns.

Hey ambrosiaa come to EB bl and wipe us i dare you.

The guilds that i see invade Maguuma BL the most are [naga], [rise], [LW], [kh] and smaller guilds that i don’t remember, i don’t know which guild belongs to which server because all i know is if your red, your dead.

But the most fun i had was with naga and rise, your relentless attacks, made it so fun. If you failed to come to our bl i was quite happy when we invaded yours and happy that our commanders chose to do so because honestly the most fun is during long sieges and long battles, not winning the match for me. Hope to see you on reset in a few.

This is my first full week with maguuma, and they’re a blast, since they coordinate so well i didn’t even need to join a guild to be coordinated with them, so i just made my own troll guild.

Also someone else told me something once, if your enemy has a gun while you have a stick, well go get yourself a gun, aka new strategy.

There’s an easy answer to your problem, LAY SIEGE TO TOWER/KEEP. You’re basically telling me you’re upset because you can’t aoe it down, well if all siege weapons were only deployable in reachable spots, trust me, it would be extremely easy to destroy, trebs wouldn’t be able to do much before being the focus of attack. The only place siege should be a problem is exploited spots, that shouldn’t be possible.

If anything, build a counter treb, defend it just as good as they’re defending theirs, use guardians/ele bubble shield ability to protect it from the treb if it switches on you. Why should trebs be subject to only be placed on walls where they can be aoe down in a matter of minutes.

scooby treat.8420:

I can’t believe a mesmer is even on here trying to complain. How OP is your 4 or 5 mirror images that blow up doing massive damage you can spam every 10 seconds give me a break don’t even cry. Not to mention your mini invis please…..

Its only 3 clones at most, and also you see the clones running up, you can dodge, or decide what to do. Also you can’t really use shatters for much except on door, which will do minimal damage anyways. Not really sure wat the problem with the mini invisi is but sure?

Most likely this is the match up were going to have at reset tomorow again, so try to play nice. Yes winning is all about numbers, sorry strategys and everything don’t win match ups, they win battles. I don’t know anything about CD zerg at 4am, so i won’t say theres 50 of them or so, but if there is 50 of them vs 5-10 of who ever is defending they have no chance, unless they all build and man superior sieges, they might have a chance. Personally from my experience the people in mumble don’t care about winning from my experience, we play for fun, and from the looks of that, we’re doing the best job at it.

Phzt.9864:

zastari.1730:

Why do people think that the only thing to do at a tower / keep siege is AoE walls?

You know the answer – most players are not good at this game and are very unimaginative. Playing wall wars is one of the most useless things to do at sieges, but 90% of players are happy to sit there and do it.

Portal bombs are old hat. Safety portals require less resources (bodies) and are very strong at stalling out sieges or crushing them based on how much supply they have. Get 5 guys – 1 mesmer + 4 guys that hit for physical very hard (warriors). Get a thief to drop a refuge, drop an entrance, manually run out to a siege weapon. Blow up as much as you can, which is lot when you are time warping 4 heavy hitting melee, then toss down an exit portal back to the safety of your keep.

I run zerg busting groups sometimes, and the one’s ive had best success with is 1 mesmer(me) and 4 other thieves in which case they dropped dagger storm and i just drop timewarp, if it gets too heavy we just stealth out. These are probably the most qq types of parties that i’ve seen personally, because people hate the fact there’s not much to counter it, and the fact that it happens over the course of 10seconds where some people dont react fast enough.

Disastro.4086:

Bones.5762:

I haven’t even seen a reflect/glamour mesmer yet in all my time of playing gw2, but it’s either i didn’t notice them because they didn’t do anything to wow me, or because they are that rare

They’re rare because people prefer front-loaded damage. Reflect/glamour builds require good timing and baiting(i.e. more work that people don’t want to do). It actually kills people en masse quite reliably if you pop feedback on people all ready channeling big ranged dmg they’ll suicide before they notice it’s up usually same with the confusion dmg. I swap out mirror a lot with bigger heals depending on the situation it’s one of those run in do my reflection chain watch people die run out, swap it back out heal up wait on CDs rinse repeat. I run with people that know my play style so there is a lot of synergy I have outside healing to compensate a lot of the time. I run in a very large and rather skilled WvW oriented guild and we’re very organized so I’m never running solo most of the time.

I do hope some more option open up for those who prefer the front loaded damage, I wouldn’t mind going back to that kind of spec either but we still do have things that work quite well in the mean while.

For defending keeps/castles etc.. confusion builds are still my favorite since it’s so easy to keep applying and very few pop their condition removal when they see it.

If you can i would really like to see some nice videos of relfect/glamour skills, might be curious enough to try, I already know condition dmg built is still extremely good to use, but just don’t wanna be one of those types of mesmers, because as of right now, the majority of mesmers i see are shatters and condition damage.

Kasama.8941:

Where exactly is the appeal in standing around and knocking on a door for 15 min? Someone still needs to man the siege weapons, you need to get supplies to get the siege weapons build, you can hide in a keep and use portal to get your teammates inside, you can portal bomb a camp, you can pretty much solo 1v3 as a Mesmer and live to tell the tale, you have a 10 second AoE quickness skill, you have AoE swiftness on the focus, you can pull people down from walls, you can use Chaos Storm, Feedback, and Null Field to support you team at the door, and so on. The Mesmer is hands down one of the best professions in Worlds PvP.

Ok i bolded out the parts that i saw an issue with. not very many wants to man siege because you’re the focus of target as well as it’s boring. second one you can’t attempt this during a siege, only after your defending your keep in which case you fail, and if the enemy group is smart and good they will sweep you out, unless you have a couple of thieves with you to perma stealth you. Portal bombing a camp is viable yes, but its not really a siege, its just a mass slaughter because you don’t place down siege except for the enemy team who defending might place down AC and balistas in which case you would counter with siege as well, but in most case you can just run through camps no siege. last one, you don’t get anything for supporting your team, such as a good aoe skill like chaos storm, theyre great supportive skills but to be honest theres a lot of better support classes than a mesmer.

Columba.9730:

Oh that’s right, portals aren’t used in WvWvW?

what are you talking about, the discussing at hand here is why mesmers are useless during siege (that means at the gate/wall already). There is no mesmer here saying that portal is useless, if they are please quote them because they are obviously trolls. In what situation are you going to use portal while attacking a gate if the defenders are on the walls defending? hack/exploit into the keep/tower and drop a portal? The only team that should be using a portal in this situation is the enemy team to portal bomb your sieges.

Disastro.4086:

Reflect and glamour oriented builds work great. You have focus reflect, feedback, reflect on distortion, mirror, mimic. Confusion on glamours (you have several which you can target on walls) You can trait so glamours also cause aoe blindness and it’s reapplied if they exit/enter the glamour(feedback, chaos storm, null field etc..) This helps everyone stay alive longer even if its only a short while every small number helps in siege warfare. You can also trait it so that you instantly cause confusion when you blind coupled with the confusion on glamour traits and people running/in out it stacks up decently. There are traits to reduce the CD on some glamours and increase the duration well placed glamours with those traits or well placed reflects of any kind can kill people without you doing any direct damage. Obviously for the confusion damage you’re going to be pigeonholed into wearing a ton of +condition damage and condition duration gear. As you mentioned shatters won’t do ya good here a lot of the time unless you get inside a keep/castle then you usually have some open-action.

You have mirror heal + distortion reflect trait + mimic(you will get hit with 1 projectile with mimic any and all others that hit you during its duration get reflected after which you can fire back that 1 projectile). you can chain all of those back to back with feedback on someone shooting at your from a wall or bait them into doing so and kill them and usually multiple people at once even if you can’t finish them off, you can down them in bad spots letting those with the heavier hitting aoe finish them off.

I mean i haven’t played reflect/glamour build but i dont see you killing much people unless they dont walk out of feedback, and cure their conditions or simply just fall back to auto regen hp. But you have listed one build for mesmer that still works ok. I don’t know of anyone who uses mirror heal at all, because the heal is so bad, and the duration is like 2seconds i believe if even. I haven’t even seen a reflect/glamour mesmer yet in all my time of playing gw2, but it’s either i didn’t notice them because they didn’t do anything to wow me, or because they are that rare. I see more mesmers running mantra than reflect/glamour skills.

From my experience there hasn’t been many bad mesmers because people that pick up mesmers and they don’t click with it, don’t end up playing them, only the really good players that know how to play mesmers stick with it, so it’s hard to find a mesmer that don’t know how to play. Because if you’re like any other mesmer who started out, you tested alot of builds to try to make it work so you should know that class decently well. There’s a decent amount of thieves that are bad, just as much as there are good ones too.

Columba.9730:

Since when are portals useless?

I don’t know of anyone who said portal was useless in this OP.

Niim.9260:

Bones.5762:

Please tell what do you do with your mesmer when ALL the enemy server is on walls or behind it with sieges that is so much fun besides auto attacking a gate. Mesmer is still fun to play in a open field fight, but during sieges theres not much i see them doing. what do you want to do? throw chaos storm on friendlys and say its fun?

As a thief I pull out my ranged weapon and auto attack the door while waiting to get inside. Is that somehow different than what you are doing as a mesmer?

nope, i dont know much about thief skills so i can’t say, but it’s just proving that during sieges you can’t do much besides auto attack a door. So if thats all a thief can do during siege then i feel for them too, but they really need to fix culling, i have no issue fighting thieves, and i love fighting squishy thieves because im strong enough to take the damage and have enough damage to burst them before them can escape most of the time. I honestly feel that engineer as of right now is one of those classes that are well balanced, as in the aspect they can play most types of builds and have it work if theyre specced for it and not OP.