Guild Wars 2

Caroline.4987:

You know…for not actually trying to PPT…Maguuma’s certainly doing a good job of it. Hmm, they caught up to YB over the SEA time…

I believe our only SEA commander has returned from the dead to farm SBI and YB for bags.

Shiren.9532:

The way players transfer, a large chunk of the population on JQ used to be on SBI. There is very little server loyalty in GW2. The way WvW was designed, guilds just transfer to wherever they think they will win (or stay “relevant”). The top three servers might change, but the players and guilds on them don’t.

If it makes you feel better, the majority of the guilds in T1 are garbage. Also, Mag hasn’t lost a WvW guild in probably 6+ months.

Totbot.4583:

This is going to be an interesting week for sure. Interested to see how the end of the season will effect servers. A lot of servers got more coverage with the extra people playing.

It seems pretty clear that FA and Mag should have switched places in the leagues, though.

Yes, so Mag, too, could have had a lot of garbage bandwagon over. No thanks. We don’t want coverage, we don’t want PPT. All we want are the sweet, sweet bags that YB and SBI seem so willing to drop.

Nick.6972:

SO will Yaks team up with Mag?

Lmfao not a chance in hell.

I’m literally dying laughing at these rewards. 7 weeks of the winning servers chest-thumping about coverage and how skillful it is. 7 weeks of people hyping the S1 rewards when anyone who primarily WvWs knew that they were going to be incredibly disappointing, because everything reward-wise in WvW is incredibly disappointing.

I really hope that server stacking, queues, and PPT-fueled 7 weeks was worth it!

I cannot handle how hilarious this entire situation is.

iAmTheDuke.6201:

I trait for siege.
I don’t need a glass cannon spec, I have a cannon waiting for you in a T3 tower/keep.

I go full carrion b/c I prefer ACs and my bleeds can tick for a lot.

http://www.gw2crafts.net/

Seems like people don’t know this site exists?

Commisar.8695:

God bless you meta.
Step 1: Go to the arena in obsidian sanctum.
Step 2: Choose which class you want to fight, PU mesmer, p/d d/p condispam/stealthspam thief, condi warrior with huge regen.
Step 3: If you lack any of the builds shown in Step 2, you can choose to fight one and die or return to step 1. If you have one of these builds, proceed to step 4.
Step 4: Have a lackluster fight that was determined on who’s build is a better counter to who’s rather than player skill because these builds are made to be mindless.

Next time soften them up with some erp, I hear it makes them more receptive.

DivineBeing.2086:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

NeroGuilt.4720:

How can you hate on dueling? How dare me care more about personal skill than blobbing kitten. You learn how to player better in 1vX, not running around with 20 people.

There’s a game mode for that, sPvP.

I don’t play it because it’s way too restrictive. But I also don’t complain about 1v1’s being ruined in a map with, potentially, 140 enemies.

This exactly.

You can say the same about ANY team game too. You do realize that right? “You only killed us because it was 3v2 because my other two teammates were on the other side of the map”, says the whiner in a 4v4 team game.

However, in THIS game mode one big mass zerg won’t (well shouldn’t if the enemies know anything about strategy) win you the game. Overall world strategy does.

So your personal skill level is on the super ultra professional level and you should be paid millions for it. Cool story. But that means jack crap when the game type you’re playing is….wait for it….WORLD vs WORLD vs WORLD.

Brag all you want about how awesome you are at duels and 1v1 but the goal of the game is to work AS A WORLD (aka team) and beat the other two worlds through overall score obtained by PPT measured by captured structures, not how many times you killed the enemy.

Basically, you are measuring skill on the wrong levels, your zerg wiped ours? You killed a ton of our players in a 1v1. Cool! Looks back at the scoreboard….I don’t see how that has any relevancy to this game type.

WvW has no reward for winning a match and the winner is decided purely by coverage. I don’t see why there’s any purpose to PPTing.

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

Boonprot.6274:

Bash.7291:

Boonprot.6274:

Literally a million BG inside Obsidian Sanctum right now. Either they all fight in the arena or none do, rip.

It is a new feature, of course we are going to swarm to it and check it out. I am sure there will be order to it in a day or so once the “ooooooo shiney” wears off. I am looking forward to getting some good duels now that we actually have an area to do so.

There is no dueling. There’s BG sitting at their teleport, waiting for a critical mass of 10+ people, and then all streaming down to swarm the 5 mag.

You seem upset? please show on the doll where the 10 BG touched you.

In the no-no place, obviously. Would be nice if the BG would stop blobbing so we can actually get to the duel arena ! !

Bash.7291:

Boonprot.6274:

Literally a million BG inside Obsidian Sanctum right now. Either they all fight in the arena or none do, rip.

It is a new feature, of course we are going to swarm to it and check it out. I am sure there will be order to it in a day or so once the “ooooooo shiney” wears off. I am looking forward to getting some good duels now that we actually have an area to do so.

There is no dueling. There’s BG sitting at their teleport, waiting for a critical mass of 10+ people, and then all streaming down to swarm the 5 mag.

Literally a million BG inside Obsidian Sanctum right now. Either they all fight in the arena or none do, rip.

Cancer.9065:

Caffynated.5713:

There should be a server wide pot based on where your server finished. The pot would be divided up among however many people finished the achievement.

So Badgegate would get 100k gold divided among 10k people.
Magswag would get 85k gold divided among 300 people.

Wow… this would be the biggest trolling in fantasy mmo history…

Do it Anet! do it!

The forums will burn, servers will quit but, God, oh God the epicness will live on for years. Write your place in History Anet. Don’t think, just do it!

Sounds perfect to me. It punishes overstacking harshly, which should have been done a very long time ago.

cyyrix.6105:

Sifu.6527:

So…about this awesome roaming guild I keep hearing about from BG – Riot. I haven’t seen them much. At most, I saw one guy running with the pugs. Do they still roam? If yes, around what time and with how many? This is Mag second time facing BG, probably the last for this season so maybe they will come out and play.

Stop giving me blue balls!

We had a couple of different groups running last night. Lately we’ve been in groups of two to four, so if you’re expecting more than that you might be disappointed.

The other thing is that you Mag guys love dueling, but we almost never see small groups roaming apart from that. Any good fights we find almost always result in a party add and a request to start a “FC” at the windmill. It is fun for awhile, but how long can you stand around and counter-comp until it just gets dull.

You should try to make it a point to roam more and duel less this week – with both the BG and SoS roaming squads, it could be a really fun week!

Except Mag lacks most of the 5-man “roaming groups” that BG lives in, which is why we duel and fight club so much.

FA. Haven’t fought them in over 6 weeks now, but FA is probably the only server in their bracket with talented players.

All this hard work on PPT in a game mode where players aren’t rewarded at all. 100% shocked. Flabbergasted, even.

Maguuma has already won the matchup. Everyone can go home now.

Rennoko.5731:

Just in case anyone from SOR or TC was curious what it feels like on my end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GeRHeh676s

Spoiler alert… not so good. I will be washing bloodstains out of my armor for weeks.

Some of you have really good focus though. In my brain I always here you saying on your own respective voice chats “JUST KILL THE NECRO… THE NECRO… KILL IT NOW…. NO YOU IDIOT, THE ONE WITH THE SKULL ICON, NOT THE SHIELD”

duek bad mag mad bag

I am fairly new to ele and I was thinking of taking full Carrion gear because staff ele has a lot of burn and bleed you should give it a try I really like it so far and it seems like my team is doing better than it does before.

Tome of Courage is the only elite you should be running in WvW unless you’re roaming or driving. You don’t need stability to use it properly, you just need to understand positioning.

Necro and Ele are better choices. Either work, but Necro is the beefier of the two.

Your Power is probably 300-500 lower than where it needs to be, imo. Swapping to Sigil of Bloodlust would remedy a bit of that (you only need ~25-30% crit chance in a zerg). I also see huge issues with Condition removal in your build. No Purging Flames, PoV, Runes of the Soldier, or Absolute Resolution is very iffy. Keep in mind that signet + purity only removes 2 every 10s. While it’s fairly good condition removal in terms of sustain, if you get whacked with something lethal like an epidemic or signet of spite, you essentially have to ride it out, which has a good chance of killing you. Not to mention that, in small-scale, the vast majority of condi builds can out-pace cleanse handily, even when you have more condi removal than you know what to do with.

Then again, I’m not sure what you intend this build for. If you’re running in a huge 40+ man blob, then the above points probably aren’t issues.

wads.5730:

do people really not count the green names when they run around as a guild? because thats ridiculous and kittened.

T1 counting, yo.

Slomoshun.6317:

kartek.6428:

no

Yeah….

We wiped you at south bay, not north east..with a lot less than that, along with a TC zerg. This is the zerg we pulled together after the pug commander DC’d, probably 30 minutes later.

You seemed to put in a lot of effort to make this though, so I’ll just give you gold star and a smile and hope you forget about it by morning.

A lot less than that is definitely 25 + 15 or more pugs. We peaked at like 16 all night, iirc.

Dragonite droprate is astronomically low if you only WvW. Pls buff.

JaNordy.6149:

Man that BG Guildless Necro with 25 stacks on Mag BL last night was so good. He was so fast I could hardly keep up, running circles around me, I was totally helpless! Necros need a nerf, their teleport skill to anywhere on map while in combat is OP.

http://i.imgur.com/fvzXrBN.jpg

A+

All these PPT heroes makin’ me sad. WvW gives you essentially zero reward for winning a matchup and the winner is decided majoritarily by whoever has the most coverage. It is quite literally determined by whoever hurls bodies at an objective best. Why on earth would you care about PPT in such a system.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Boonprot.6274:

Also, and I’m speaking from experience here, a 20-25 man group can most definitely hold off a 50-60 man blob. It requires a good group comp, people listening on VOIP, and good movement, though, so good luck with pugs.

We had all that. We were holed up in Garrison, keeping them from taking over as long as possible. 3 hours of work, and we finally fell because we couldn’t keep the small team of 3-5 grabbing supply and doing patchwork on the holes in the garrison fast enough. Twas a leaky boat, and she finally sank at the end of those 3 hours. Despite being trebbed at NE, rammed at Watergate, and golemed on east, we survived 3 hours. If that tells you how bad it was.

Actually it sounds like an epic farm. I don’t see why you would be unhappy about this.

No thanks. YB has a generally bad WvW pop and would get dominated. SBI is 100% pure bandwagon and is even worse; as is they’re free bags. SoS, unless things have magically changed, have 4-5 total people during NA and are only highly ranked because of broken night coverage. FA and TC would be the only fun servers to fight, but TC would probably win coverage wars. Sounds awful.

Also there aren’t any good GvG guilds on any of those servers, barring FA and TC, so it would be awful.

Hi, welcome to WvW Seasons, where everyone but the devs seemed to see this coming. Oops.

On the topic of Mag, we purposely PPTed hard to get into Gold League so we could fight servers that are actually good and get lots and lots of GvGs. The alternative was dominating Silver League and being bandwagon transferred to hell. No thanks. Mag has a different mentality, though, and our WvW community has never actually cared about our PPT nor our ranking. Most servers like trying really hard to win matchups and get zero reward for it, though.

Also, and I’m speaking from experience here, a 20-25 man group can most definitely hold off a 50-60 man blob. It requires a good group comp, people listening on VOIP, and good movement, though, so good luck with pugs.

GS is a better option, imo, because of a leap (which is highly undervalued; it’s a perfect GTFO skill or a perfect lead to bombs, not to mention the handy blind), a high damage 2 skill, pulsing retal/damage on 4 that also triggers Altruistic Healing, and a 5 skill to stop people from escaping bombs. It’s a very powerful weapon, in general, and usually a better choice over hammer.

HOWEVER, if you’re running with a less organized group (read: pubbie train), I would advocate hammer over GS because of the blast finisher and greater CC options. You have to be more self-reliant when you’re not running with an organized guild group because you can’t count on the randoms with you to know what they’re doing.

Also, in that build that was linked, swap the staff to Cleric’s and switch into it before popping Tome of Courage. Celestial accs are also far better than soldier’s, but they’re costly and difficult for new players to acquire. Very strong starting point for guardian WvW builds, though.

Player Character.9467:

Vardy.3592:

On MAGBL earlier.

Trebbing from Citadel onto NE Tower…

I thought blackgate was a carvermeta T1 server? Citadel treb has been meta for months now, please keep up.

ParaldaWind.4523:

Sunt.6835:

Pinko.2076:

Mag does care about PPT – until it’s time for gold league qualifiers

we’ll be here with yall ~every season~

Maybe u should move to SoR. They claim they dont play for PPT neither but they at least can put numbers in open field fight.

Because “putting numbers” is fun. If Mag wanted, we could assemble quite possibly the scariest megablob of guild groups you’ve ever seen… it’s just boring.

PYRO-Ark-VR-INC-DE|RP nuthug party tonight? I’ll bring the nose plugs.

[VAPID] now openly recruiting! (sorry, those initials work too well)

VaRk would become PeRk ? idk this is difficult

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Boonprot.6274:

Edit: It’s also kind of funny going from fighting JQ, who is entirely glass and died like it was nobody’s business, to SoR and BG who apparently go the other extreme.

There’s no misunderstanding, just read Moto’s posts.

Also, hate to say, JQ has been having easy streaks for weeks now. They’ve probably been wearing ‘Zerker gear or using up-levels since their first week without SoR/BG. I’d be.

More power to them, because it made wiping queue blobs with a 20-30 man easier than it is against lower-tier servers. You’d go into a bomb and all of a sudden 10-15 people would instantly drop.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

MokoToko.6890:

So what do you guys do in WvW, seriously?

Like most people I run survivability builds during zerg encounters. No PVT, actually. I use Boon Duration. When I feel like roaming I switch to ’Zerker.

Do you bang your head against a wall and die with ’Zerker gear and damage skills during sieges? I ask, but given your post history, the answer is obviously yes.

You seemingly can’t fathom people switch gear, skills and traits when they play WvW. I know it’s a hard concept.

There’s a lot of misunderstanding going on here. Building for survivability is what you SHOULD be doing in a zerg context. In the vast majority of cases, glassier frontliners are a liability and usually rallybait. However, going along with what Rekka said earlier, you can most certainly build for survivability and self-sustain while maximizing your damage. For instance, my zerging guardian build sits at 21k HP, 1980 toughness, 67% crit damage, 1900 power, 22% crit chance, and 700+ healing power. I don’t die, even against the T1 megablobs, and yet I can still push out impressive damage numbers. Considering we fight outmanned 100% of the time in Gold League, our frontline needs to eek out as much damage as is feasible in order to force downed clumps. I guess my point is that gearing full PVT is 100% missing the point and is probably as un-min/maxed as you can get. It’s really a lazy way of gearing your character out.

Cannot believe I just made a completely serious post in this mess of poor trolling.

Edit: It’s also kind of funny going from fighting JQ, who is entirely glass and died like it was nobody’s business, to SoR and BG who apparently go the other extreme.

tango.8962:

Darius Glazkov.9750:

after getting to play against sor+bg on reset i can say this is probably the funniest thing i have ever seen in gw2

claiming that t1na runs all ptv is wrong. there is no way they can run any kind of gear that has power even as minor stat.

I love the stigma against tanky players. WvW is about a team and our meta is made around AOE’s. Yes you get hit for 300 and laugh, but im hitting 5 people for 300 every second for 6 seconds. that’s 9k damage in 6 seconds.

Also stop disapproving T1 builds when you are tied with sos in last place.

You do know who Scnd is, right?

Player Character.9467:

Israel.7056:

Boonprot.6274:

Switching to the newest FotM isn’t something to be proud of. Just shows that you have little creativity.

Plus, it’s far more impressive for someone to kill people as a non-FotM build than it is with an FotM build. Also shows that the person is actually good at their class.

My goal isn’t to be the most creative player I can be, it’s to be the most effective player I can be. Sometimes creative new builds outperform old builds and in that case they quickly become the meta. Sometimes people try new things and it underperforms and doesn’t make it into the meta at that time. If I discover a new build that I believe will outperform my old build I switch immediately. If a new build underperforms my old build it gets dropped.

My goal isn’t to impress my opponent but to beat them. I don’t care if they think I’m good or bad or anywhere in between that’s not my problem and it’s not something I can control.

I make a serious effort to never complain about enemy builds, tactics whatever. If someone beats me with something I just try to find a way to beat them. If I can’t figure it out that’s my failing not theirs.

Sure, this would be a valid statement… if anything remotely approaching real balance existed. Where’s the fun in intentionally exploiting bad mechanics 24/7? How do you not get bored after an hour?

By flopping their dangly bits all over matchup threads and extolling the virtues of BG roamers, of course.

Israel.7056:

Boonprot.6274:

Phantasm is 100% training wheels. You can be absolute garbage, and all you need to do is set up a few phantasms and then hide in stealth while whoever you’re fighting dies. 0 respect for people who run these kinds of builds.

Put an experienced mesmer behind that build and it’s ridiculous though. I have more trouble with that mesmer build on my warrior than almost anything else in the game right now, including the perplexity rune builds.

I have no respect for people who run subpar builds because it’s “more of a challenge” or whatever I think that’s a terrible gaming philosophy. I mean I could run around with an armorless trap ranger in WvW but I’d just be bringing my team down trying to prove a point.

Every build for every class is competing for a handful of roles on a team and if people decide to bring less than optimal builds all they do is hurt their teammates and the overall effectiveness of their comp and I personally find that unacceptable.

Switching to the newest FotM isn’t something to be proud of. Just shows that you have little creativity.

Plus, it’s far more impressive for someone to kill people as a non-FotM build than it is with an FotM build. Also shows that the person is actually good at their class.

Israel.7056:

Jedge.3619:

I run full zerker shatter mesmer in wvw. I think that the prismatic understanding builds are way too forgiving and easy to play : )

That 20/20/30/0/0 mesmer build is nasty though.

Phantasm is 100% training wheels. You can be absolute garbage, and all you need to do is set up a few phantasms and then hide in stealth while whoever you’re fighting dies. 0 respect for people who run these kinds of builds.

LightningBlaze.4913:

Caffynated.5713:

What is with everyone on Badgegate running bunkers when they roam? I realize that you dudes are terrible and face tank everything, but you’re never going to get better if you play such forgiving easy mode builds. Strap on some damage and let’s have a fight that doesn’t last 10 minutes.

Everything in excess is horrible for solo raoming. That include both too much bunker and too much zerker. Against a full tanky player, the 1v1 duels are boring due to the time it takes to finish (sometimes it never ends unless the 1v1 becomes 1v2 or higher scale). Against a full berserker is also boring because there is no challenge on defeating these too squishy players.

Full glass is better than the condi reres that are literally everywhere in PvP now. Gotta love dat broken mechanic.

Reslinal.2359:

A lot of BG guilds do not do GvG, they prefer unstaged open field fights. Your best luck would be PLX or maybe OnS on Thursday or Friday when the score is determined.

All I hear is “we like blobbing.”

Rennoko.5731:

JaNordy.6149:

MadSpin.2041:

“Can’t believe I’m defending somebody from oPP, but as good as Rennoko is, I doubt he’d have better results if he were fighting in T1.” – ©2013 Poxheart.2845

Rennoko #1 NA without clothes, get some clothes on already Rennoko.

Clothes

Also…. I hear I got called FOTM here, which irritates the heck out of me. Did anyone even pay attention to my last video?… I was poking fun at Dire, and how overpowered it was, before going into a Celetial build for the rest of the video. I challenge you to find 5 necros on your entire server running celesital…. FOTM my foot.

I am running rabid this week, just because I feel like using a condition proc build because SO MANY of these high tier roamers are using perplexity engineers thieves and mesmers.

I don’t find roaming against T1 any different than the lower tier servers except it is harder to have a fair fight. Since I am not really looking for a fair fight anyhow, it works out fine for me. I would rather get zergged every 15 minutes and get 3-4 good fights in, than spend 45 minutes looping the map looking for Emory Bay.

If I had a dollar for every condi spamming T1 roamer I fought, I’d be able to buy a couple more legendaries.

MadSpin.2041:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Mel! How’s Magguma roamers so far?. I’ll log in a few hrs to finally face some of them. Hopefully the queue isn’t a killer…

So far so Glassy™… Seems like most of the roamers are concerned w/ DPS over sustain and surviving. I got 100 to 0’d a few times by a mix of classes, but in a group fight situation we’ve been able to res each other up most of the time. I’m looking forward to roaming over the weekend to see what they have to offer. So far we haven’t had any problems winning outnumbered battles against Mag. I think the Mag roamers are like us and like to roam on other BLs instead of their own so you can find them running around in our borderlands.

You’re gonna be blowing these kids up dude. Good luck trying to find a decent duel.

- Mel

You sure do like using that TM superscript. Your website is covered in it.

Gilgamesh.7364:

Jaxs.5830:

Gilgamesh.7364:

Boonprot.6274:

Gilgamesh

I mean there’s literally 0 scouts inside of any of your structures lol…

Every day I log in to WvW and think “god, know what I really want to do right now? Sit on siege.”

Careful, with that mentality you might actually end up winning a match!

What does that get you? PPT decoder ring with a holographic dolyak?

Maybe. I’m only in it for the Golden Dolyak finisher.

Oh my god yes I’m in your sig.

kfarb.6732:

Gilgamesh

I mean there’s literally 0 scouts inside of any of your structures lol…

Every day I log in to WvW and think “god, know what I really want to do right now? Sit on siege.”

LightningBlaze.4913:

Whoot magguma! I have always hear this was the server to go against great roamers. Hopefully, I’ll find some of them tomorrow when I start roaming.

Ok just so we’re all aware when Mag talks about roaming we’re talking about solo roaming, not 10-man roam squads.

Gilgamesh.7364:

If Maguuma is smart, they’d realize they have a really good chance at taking 2nd place.

Hi we stopped trying once we hit gold league. Nty PPT.

Obtena.7952:

WvW builds are pretty focused for specific activities in WvW (See stickied Jax Thread) and even particular stances (defensive vs. offensive). It’s not easy to marry the two together. I can assure you that full DPS wouldn’t be appropriate in WvW and I also think that something like Healway would be much too busy and defensive for PVE.

I see lots of suggestions already near the beginning. If those don’t float your boat, Do the traditional thing with 0/15/30/20/5. Mix of Knights/PVT armor, zerker trinkets. Test it and find your personal flavour.

Jax’s guide is for tPvP. Their listed WvW build way over invests into Healing Power and has, as a result, low crit damage, low crit chance, low armor, very low vitality, and low power. It also uses Renewed Focus. There are only two guardian builds in general WvW zergplay where RF is allowed: Hammer/GS JI rings and the driver. That’s it. Everyone else runs Tome of Courage.

Here’s the basis of a very large portion of the high-end guardian WvW builds out there:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUEQJARWlUgKDXFSLEm4ERWBRi9AjwvjXPSIFZIA-j0BBofA4hQ0HBK7pIasVWFRjVVjIqWXDTKAmUGB-w

Secondary weapon set with Sigils of Bloodlust until you hit 25 stacks is highly recommended.

Tarkus.4109:

Garrus.8130:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

You mag sure like to generalize.
PiNK running with blobs of 40? I’m not even sure I’ve seen pink run that large in months.
NOPE calling for backup defending a supply camp? Yeah pretty sure most guilds on our server do it…. and you do it too.

(also 40 = blob LOL)

#getgudmag

40 is not blob. It is a small roaming havoc squad. Probably good enough to take bloodlust. It’s OK, we get it

40 is not a blob, its a large zerg. A full map queue sitting on a pin is a blob (~65-70), and is so often so big that it’ll lag you into oblivion. The below image is what a true blob of players looks like (both servers had 50+ in that fight), thats not 35-40 people.

Your T1 is starting to show.

Zephyrus.9680:

Have to agree. I was roaming on Mag on ele and saw the normal few JQ/TC that wouldn’t engage in a 1v1. Finally found a ranger to 1v1 at ruins which turned into a 1v2 and then a 1v3 which was too much for me. Then next I found a fun duel vs a p/d thief and things weren’t looking good for him but it was interrupted by a Mag guardian so he refuged and ran.

Same stories a couple more times so I just went to EB and to k-train/badge train between SM and blue keep. 1v1 just won’t happen in NA primetime and I guess this t1 1vx roaming has to be handed on thief or else in groups of 3-10… zzz

I probably found the same ranger if you’re talking about ~1h ago, same thing happened more or less. Eventually got a 1v1 against them at the NE ruins and they died, shocker. Also had a NOPE thief try and jump me outside of NET by the guard post and, shocker again, they died. After popping Shadow Refuge 2 or 3 times. Then I had a condi engi flop his kitten around for killing a meditations guard. Condi 2 stronk, v skill.

username.4932:

Forget the sword thing and deal with the guardian core issues first:

- We should be the best at tanking, we are not
- We have both less mobility and less cc than war
- Heal power stuff is pointless as nothing scale enough with it for the stats you lose.
- Aegis need redesign as it is most often inefficient with the amount of multiple hit skills.
- Symbol concept and traits need redisign from a wvw point of view. We have many traits about it for just few weapons using them. It is really hard to use in wvw because (too static, easy to dodge, …))

Please take care of the guardian core issues before anything else, we have been waiting (and reporting) long enough for these core issues to be dealt with.

People need to stop confusing tanking with high sustainability. There are no tanks in GW2 because there is no traditional triad. What there is, however, is a large capacity for any and every class to build heavily into self-sustain. That’s what a bunker is. Addressing your points one-by-one:

- Guardians are arguably the best bunkers in the game. We have access to more blocks than you typically know what to do with, relatively strong CC options, an immunity skill, not to mention our access to boons upon boons. Couple that with Altruistic Healing, vigor on crit, and heal on dodge and you have some ridiculous self-healing. Then there’s our high capacity for condition removal with Purging Flames, Pure of Voice, and Runes of the Soldier. I rarely, if ever, die in WvW, and it’s more-or-less the same when I bunker in tPvP. Note that bunkering is useless in PvE and it basically means you can’t dodge.

- No arguments here. Guardian has garbage mobility unless you bring Sword/X + GS or Staff with Judge’s Intervention and some swiftness utilities. The teleports and leaps themselves are good, but the swiftness uptime is barely better than Mesmer.

- Why is it that Cleric/Cleric was the tPvP bunker guardian meta for so long? If you’re ignoring the strength of Healing Power, you’re ignoring a very large chunk of a guardian’s functionality. That said, there’s a thing called over-investing, and I usually draw the line at 500-600 Healing Power in my WvW builds.

- Imo, you’re using Aegis wrong. It’s perfectly suited for blocking key, easily-telegraphed skills. Earthshaker and Shield Bash are perfect examples.

- Symbols are a bit of a double-edged sword. On one hand, I can easily drop a GS5 on a regroup or a push and trigger a ton of healing via AH. Same goes for mace 2 and hammer 1 3rd chain. On the other, you can easily walk out of them. However, that makes them no different than essentially every single other piece of AoE in the game, so it’s probably not as big of an issue as you think.