Guild Wars 2

mercury ranique.2170:

try this
1: run command prompt as administrator (right click it and run as administrator)
2: type in the following lines and end each line with enter
sc stop “NvStreamSvc”
sc config “NvStreamSvc” start= disabled

Then test again.
This service is used to stream to nvidia shield tablets and possible for other things in the future. So if it didn’t solve it, or if you need it in the future you enable it as follow:

sc config “NvStreamSvc” start= enabled
sc start “NvStreamSvc”

If this doesn’t solve it, you might want to do a clean install of the nvdia driver. or revert to a previous one.

Thanks very much I’ll give this a shot!

Hi guys I’ve posted a question about this before but it wasn’t responded to, though the issue seemed to go away by itself so it was okay in the end.

But that was a couple of months ago…I’ve recently updated the latest nvidia driver and these crashes are happening every 10 minutes and it’s making the game virtually unplayable

Can anyone offer advice?

+1 to everything in the OP.

As the worst all-round profession in the game, it’s sad that the Ranger elite faces joint-least amount of available testing time before HoT release.

It’s GW2 release all over again. Testing will be done, HoT will go live with lots of Ranger (Druid) feedback waiting to be attended to, and it will be partially addressed incredibly slowly over the next couple of years until the next elite spec, then entirely pushed to one side.

Jcbroe please start that thread in the HoT forum and c/p what you wrote there. Then as Heim suggested we can all +1 it.

The problem with this game is that it has the potential to reach that ‘sweet middle ground’ between not having trinity at all and full-on trinity, but it’s still too far at the end of ‘not having trinity at all’ hence shoehorning everyone into berserker or damage-based builds and gear, the kill-it-quick mindset and the total lack of teammate reliance.

For me, I’d like to see more trinity in the game. But not full-on ‘hard trinity’ i.e. you absolutely have to have someone build to heal or tank. Builds should be made by Anet to boost the current abilities that professions have, namely support abilities like CC, healing and debuffing to actually make them noticeably viable in group content. An example I am hoping to see with the Druid is allowing them a way of tapping into and optimising regeneration: i.e. there is the ability within the elite spec to build so that regen is twice as effective/permanent/removes conditions over time etc. But that’s just a hypothetical example so don’t go picking me apart over that.

I will be interested to see just how they make raid content “more challenging” if they don’t ultimately move more towards trinity. Otherwise DPS will still be meta and everyone will still be rolling as full-damage zerknerds, but dying more often.

I would like to see a pet dog poo. Except you have to move it around like revs do with ventari’s tablet. It could be an additional wolf skill, where the wolf has a poo and that poo then replaces the wolf with different passive conditions on enemies, most likely “torment” and “poison”. The passive boon of the poo to allies would probably be called “Love your own brand” and it would give the druid and allies regen and protection.

Oh yeah, and the activated poo skill would be where the Druid picks up the poo and throws it at enemies as a projectile, where it hits them in the face and knocks them back whilst poisoning them. While throwing the poo the Druid would shout “For not letting me in dungeon!!”.

So I just finished my first round of BWE Druid testing, and all I’d say is that whatever we can do, HERALD DOES IT BETTER.

Also got kicked from 70 dungeons and my pet still stands still to cast underwhelming F2s

Fyrebrand.4859:

So what you’re saying is, Druid has to be good, or else it won’t be good..?

Not sure where you read that..?

I’m saying Druid has to be good else it’s going to be another unwanted, unviable addition to an already unwanted Ranger profession.

Yeah I get what you’re saying and I agree, but the main point is being wanted. I’m personally less concerned about what the Druid will actually do, and more concerned about how much value it brings… and of course how fun it is to play!

Now that Rev is fast earning the title of best support profession in the game (i.e. glint/ventari plus Staff/Shield), what hope is there left for the Druid seeing as the likelihood (and most wanted by Ranger community) is that it will be a support+control based elite?

Taking Raids as an example, the Druid will have to be as good, preferably better, than the support Revenant for them to stand a chance of being invited into Raiding and dungeon parties.

Druid is the one opportunity for Rangers to be finally granted a place in the “viable professions” group. if it is going to be support/control-based, it will have to be something special to compete with what we’re already seeing. In other words, when HoT is released and Raiding parties are in full-flow, Druids need to be wanted in parties – we need to be seen as the, or one of the, go-to specs for that particular role.

If it isn’t support/control… then whatever it is needs to genuinely bring some solid value to a team environment.

Yeah that’s kinda what I thought too, I really like playing glint and it seems to have great potential for the new raid content, but then being forced out of it for at least 9 seconds just to restore some energy, to me personally, does not seem fair.

I would much rather have alternative (perhaps traited, or when you “spend” glint facets for example) ways of restoring energy to allow me to stay within that playstyle.

I love the glint passives but the trade-off just feels too much.

For the (admittedly short) amount of time I’ve been playing glint, the main thing putting me off is the way I seem to have to choose between engaging in dynamic combat (using weapon skills, healing, etc) or making use of glint’s utilities. Because energy always seems to be at 0 by the time I’ve used a couple of weapon skills.

I noticed another thread on here suggesting that herald is encouraging passive gameplay, which I have been able to relate to during my play time.

Is this all intended? I get there are trade-offs in most builds, but I feel a bit cornered and restricted at the moment.

Perhaps I need to learn to switch between legends more often, or adjust my gameplay to conserve energy… but to me that just says not using weapon skills and only autoattacking while my energy restores.

What am I doing wrong? should there be more ways to restore energy? Like initiative-restore methods for the thief?

Puck.9612:

Bryzy.2719:

Sirius.4510:

Though, I uh… don’t know if this thread is about those sorts of problems. Seems like it’s mostly a celebration of people who are doing it wrong?

Of course it is, ‘cos as any gw2 nerd will tell you on here you’re playing wrong or you’re not using the right build if you have problems!

Only when someone is complaining about having problems that are mostly caused by the ineffectual build they are using, or by the inefficient way they choose to play.
Everyone here will agree there is a problem when you list an actual ranger problem, but we get too many bearbows coming onto the forum complaining about getting kicked from a dungeon party because they insisted on sitting at max range with a longbow. That’s not a ranger problem, that’s a ”I make stupid decisions” problem.

Please leave my thread. These are fun “moans” about stuff that happens during gameplay. Your critique on others’ gameplay is redundant in here, it’s for people to share their whimsical moments regardless of how much of a “noob” they are or how much they need to “L2P”, and it’s to see the funnier side of playing Ranger. I for one enjoy occasionally go all-out full zerk sniper at the back of zergs, but my main build is a settler-based condi bunker. If you’re not going to play along then leave as you’re trying to de-rail my thread.

I’m in Europe (England), I work 8am-6pm and the BWE timings suit me just fine. I don’t get your problem unless you’re a super-duper big-bang-theory-inspired let’s-stay-up-for-48-hours-playing-MMOs kinda nerd.

Sirius.4510:

Though, I uh… don’t know if this thread is about those sorts of problems. Seems like it’s mostly a celebration of people who are doing it wrong?

Of course it is, ‘cos as any gw2 nerd will tell you on here you’re playing wrong or you’re not using the right build if you have problems!

Raven.9603:

Back on topic:
Getting invited to groups of thieves and mesmers that I killed so they can curse me out for using Sic Em

Ahahaha so much this. Jeeeeesus christ, I have had some seriously obscene PMs from roaming WvW thieves after using Sic Em. The last one involved my mother dying of cancer! Safe to say Sic’Em has a permanent slot now right next to my heal

Also,

>When you roamin’ with da boyz and you wanna “contribute” to the group but can’t ’cos your jungle stalker is stood 5000000 metres behind casting his F2

Killyox.3950:

Bryzy.2719:

GW2 has been out for 3 years and people still haven’t learned that an MMO can’t function without even a small level of trinity.

Guardians and warriors are tankiest
Elementalists, Guardians (and close second, Rangers) are the best healers
Thieves and warriors are the best DPS
Necros are the best at applying conditions (aka best debuffers)

Except you are wrong :P Condi engineer with sinister gear on 14th second outdpses everything in the game atm.

Necros are far from best condi applicants, Ele and Engie make them jelly in that regard.

How do you measure tankiness? Sure warriors got armor and HP but many classes got invuls and lots of blinds too and necros have Death Shroud.

Yeah yeah okay whatever, you’re may be right but it doesn’t matter who is this tankiest and best DPS or whatever, my point about there being a certain level of trinity still stands

arenta.2953:

Bryzy.2719:

Given that;

- There are 2 beta weekends left, meaning there will have been less overall player-test time for the Druid.

- Ranger has always been the most broken profession in the game, particularly with regard to its profession mechanic, the pet. (If you disagree I dare you to argue that on the Ranger forums…)

- If Anet are delaying the reveal and/or testing availability for the Druid because it’s not “ready”, this is worrying considering a 2015 release for HoT, and spells all too familiar territory for the Ranger profession.

- There are 3 years’ worth of decent profession feedback on the Ranger forums, most of which has not come to fruition. Now’s a big chance for Anet to show they’ve listened.

It’s currently being acknowledged within the Ranger community (perhaps not by all, but certainly by a noticeable number) that this could be the make-or-break for the Ranger. For me, I think even if Druid is underwhelming I’ll still play it just because it’s always been my favourite archetype in MMOs.

ranger’s always been the most broken?

uh…no

at release i think that was the engineer
following the buff to engi it was necro

and since then, its been more or less necro ever since.

rangers fine right now. it has to rely on AI less than forge and necro.

LEL, wroooooooonnnng.

>Rangers fine right now

Troll confirmed.

>It has to rely on AI less than forge and necro

Forge isn’t even released yet, and AI is the entire Ranger profession mechanic. And it’s broken. AI is optional for Necros. Troll double-confirmed.

Bored at work again so I’ll start.

>When you see a squishy in WvW and you set up SoTW, Quickening Zephyr, RaO, Call of the Wild and then hit rapid fire to pewpew a quick snipe but they hit reflect

>wen u need ur pet 2 save ur kitten wen u downed but he has to run from 10 billion metres away

roamzero.9486:

I cannot fathom why they haven’t fixed the issue of pet F2’s that buff, where instead of running to you they base their positioning on the enemy…

wen u with da boyz in yo zerg and u runnin along and u wanna gib them sum might from da jungle stalker but u can’t cuz he’s 50000000 metres behind u casting Mighty Roar

Linfang.1087:

And what about the Engineer? They did a poll on reddit not too long ago, and Engineer was the least played profession, and Ranger was mid/top.

Let’s not muddy the waters here…

:’)

I can tell you what I won’t be doing, and that’s playing my Druid. Because it’s not out yet. With 1 potential beta weekend left to test it, and just 50 days to go until release, things aren’t looking too great for us naturalists!

Mitch.4781:

Bryzy.2719:

Mitch.4781:

Especially given the new Raids. i want to be able to make sure I’m bringing decently geared and specced people. If I don’t like the build, I want them out of the group. Same deal if your dps is not cutting it. With raids and legendary rewards, group leaders need to be able to cut the dead wood or weak links.

I hope Anet updates the UI and gives us these much desired and demanded features.

Laughed my kitten off.

>Implying someone with full DPS ascended gear means they’ll be a decent team player in a raid

You might as well ask Anet for “IRL people-inspects so that we can read their mind to see how good a player they are”. Because the likelihood of getting either would be the same.

These are the rules for my raid. If you do not meet them, then you can’t join us, sorry. Hopefully you can find another group to carry you.

LOL

Good luck enforcing those rules when Anet don’t give you gear inspects

GW2 has been out for 3 years and people still haven’t learned that an MMO can’t function without even a small level of trinity.

Guardians and warriors are tankiest
Elementalists, Guardians (and close second, Rangers) are the best healers
Thieves and warriors are the best DPS
Necros are the best at applying conditions (aka best debuffers)

There are hints of trinity in GW2 already whether you like it or not.

Sure, the game functions well enough without full-blown trinity. But it can still have the current “individual professions have control over their own healing, CC, DPS etc” whilst also boosting the healing, DPS, condition, CC abilities of certain professions to make them particularly useful, though not necessary, in certain situations.

If Anet really does want to absolutely poo-poo trinity altogether, then they might as well scrap all professions apart from the d/d elementalist and name this EleWars2.

Mitch.4781:

Especially given the new Raids. i want to be able to make sure I’m bringing decently geared and specced people. If I don’t like the build, I want them out of the group. Same deal if your dps is not cutting it. With raids and legendary rewards, group leaders need to be able to cut the dead wood or weak links.

I hope Anet updates the UI and gives us these much desired and demanded features.

Laughed my kitten off.

>Implying someone with full DPS ascended gear means they’ll be a decent team player in a raid

You might as well ask Anet for “IRL people-inspects so that we can read their mind to see how good a player they are”. Because the likelihood of getting either would be the same.

“you can ONLY avoid the damage by LOSing the ranger, using a longer-duration invulnerability or block (all of which have longer cooldowns than Rapid Fire) or a dedicated anti-projectile skill, and projectile-destroy skills, and projectile-destroying traits, and reflect-projectile-duration-increasing traits and dodging.”

Lol’d hard. Your entire post is flawed showing complete lack of Ranger experience, but that particular paragraph made me laugh the most. Although the “I’m not sure I’d go so far as to say that the ranger should be nerfed…” got me too.

I imagine you’re probably trolling but if not I’ll put it simply. In every game mode, there is another profession(s) that can do what the Ranger does, only better and more of it.

to something that actually works pls like 900 or 1200….. or 5000

Seriously though, F2-traited heals and 240-radius boons like protection from the Blue Moa are almost useless in group content like WvW because of constant player movement and re-positioning. Small fix would give us a lot more support value.

TheFantasticGman.9451:

(FOREVER UNTIL YOU SWAP ASPECTS, PLS ANET) and gain better damage coefficients, etc.

Mega lolz :’) I agree pls anet sir gib us da pet stow

Would be nice, and allie murdock, when she was taking on the Ranger improvements before she left the company (typical Ranger luck), got well behind the idea of gaining an aspect/boon when stowing a pet. But then again the devs have always been stubborn and all like “LEL gg we’re neva giving le perma pet stow deal with it”. So expectation shall remain low on that front. Whether or not they’ll let us have a semi-perma stow, i.e. being absorbed by an aspect for like 5 mins or some kitten as you suggest, remains to be seen.

Lols. Would be #MadBantz if Anet DID implement a ton of new pet-based or pet-reliant gameplay while not fixing or improving pet AI at all.

They turk urr jerrrrbs

MattyP.6954:

Bryzy.2719:

Please tell me what part of my thread is QQing? I’m not expressing personal opinion over the “make-or-break” case, I’m presenting the vibe from the Ranger community. At worst I’m putting forward a pessimistic outlook for what could be the case upon the release of the Druid, and the less-than-optimal conditions leading to its reveal. I have nowhere in this thread moaned about it though.

Firstly, you’re entire OP was generic Ranger-whine. Secondly, the forums are a great place to get an outsized view of the QQ segment of any given profession playerbase.

What you conveniently leave out of your OP is the fact that, for every QQ post on the Ranger subs, there are a sizeable number of posts that, eloquently or not, refute the QQ. Of course there are bugs—there are bugs in every profession. That doesn’t mean that Ranger is “broken” or not fun.

My guess is that confirmation bias lead you to believe that the Ranger subs are all in agreement with your opinion, enabling you to appoint yourself their representative.

I don’t care what biases you suggest I have; of course I have biases – I main a Ranger. The fact you point that out is completely irrelevant because I can give you cold hard facts as to why the Ranger profession mechanic is broken; you clearly don’t play enough of the Ranger to notice the same things others do.

- Pets do not track intended targets properly nor efficiently, particularly when terrain is uneven

- In fact, pet AI is completely broken; the time lag between controlling your pet and the desired effect (whether it be F2 skill activation or physical re-placement) is entirely game-changing

These two points alone are all that’s needed. If you want to get into the whole comparison-of-inter-profession CC, AoE availability etc. there’s a host of info on the Ranger forums. But I doubt you’ll look on there. I’m not QQing; I’m pointing out what’s happening. For you to suggest this is Ranger “whine” is completely wrong. I’m pointing out facts.

Vayne.8563:

Bryzy.2719:

MattyP.6954:

Bryzy.2719:

It’s currently being acknowledged within the Ranger community (perhaps not by all, but certainly by a noticeable number) that this could be the make-or-break for the Ranger. For me, I think even if Druid is underwhelming I’ll still play it just because it’s always been my favourite archetype in MMOs.

This perfectly illustrates my issue surrounding how Rangers are discussed on the forums. The class isn’t ideal, but it is fun, at least for me. If it isn’t fun, then why are you playing it? Are you some kind of sick gaming masochist?

You see all of this hyperbolic rhetoric about how “broken” the profession is (there are bugs, and pet AI can be improved, but it is far from “broken”), with some even complaining that it is unplayable, but these people still play (and presumably have fun with) it.

So no, if you are going to continue to play Ranger if you don’t like Druid, it’s not make-or-break. It could be a disappointment to you based on your expectations, but you’ve already indicated that it is still worth playing despite an underwhelming Druid.

So stop QQing and just play the kitten game…

Please tell me what part of my thread is QQing? I’m not expressing personal opinion over the “make-or-break” case, I’m presenting the vibe from the Ranger community. At worst I’m putting forward a pessimistic outlook for what could be the case upon the release of the Druid, and the less-than-optimal conditions leading to its reveal. I have nowhere in this thread moaned about it though.

I don’t think there is a ranger community. There are probably tens of thousands of people who play rangers. Many are quite happy with them. I main a ranger, and I’m quite happy. It’s my favorite profession in the game. I don’t seem to have the issues you do.

Maybe the ranger “community” is smaller than you think.

What issues do I have exactly? Other than the fact that I’m pessimistic about the release of the Druid, I’ve already said I’ll personally play it regardless because it’s fun. I’ve nowhere said “Oh boohoo I’m quitting Ranger if Druid sucks”. Ranger is currently sub-optimal but that doesn’t stop me playing it personally because I enjoy the archetype and find it fun. Which is what it should be about as the person above me said (though somehow seemed to think that saying that was a rebuttal to my post..)

MattyP.6954:

Bryzy.2719:

It’s currently being acknowledged within the Ranger community (perhaps not by all, but certainly by a noticeable number) that this could be the make-or-break for the Ranger. For me, I think even if Druid is underwhelming I’ll still play it just because it’s always been my favourite archetype in MMOs.

This perfectly illustrates my issue surrounding how Rangers are discussed on the forums. The class isn’t ideal, but it is fun, at least for me. If it isn’t fun, then why are you playing it? Are you some kind of sick gaming masochist?

You see all of this hyperbolic rhetoric about how “broken” the profession is (there are bugs, and pet AI can be improved, but it is far from “broken”), with some even complaining that it is unplayable, but these people still play (and presumably have fun with) it.

So no, if you are going to continue to play Ranger if you don’t like Druid, it’s not make-or-break. It could be a disappointment to you based on your expectations, but you’ve already indicated that it is still worth playing despite an underwhelming Druid.

So stop QQing and just play the kitten game…

Please tell me what part of my thread is QQing? I’m not expressing personal opinion over the “make-or-break” case, I’m presenting the vibe from the Ranger community. At worst I’m putting forward a pessimistic outlook for what could be the case upon the release of the Druid, and the less-than-optimal conditions leading to its reveal. I have nowhere in this thread moaned about it though.

munki.6402:

Bryzy.2719:

For me, I think even if Druid is underwhelming I’ll still play it just because it’s always been my favourite archetype in MMOs.

If this is what you intend to do, then why start the thread?

Because I’ve not made the thread on behalf of myself alone.

Given that;

- There are 2 beta weekends left, meaning there will have been less overall player-test time for the Druid.

- Ranger has always been the most broken profession in the game, particularly with regard to its profession mechanic, the pet. (If you disagree I dare you to argue that on the Ranger forums…)

- If Anet are delaying the reveal and/or testing availability for the Druid because it’s not “ready”, this is worrying considering a 2015 release for HoT, and spells all too familiar territory for the Ranger profession.

- There are 3 years’ worth of decent profession feedback on the Ranger forums, most of which has not come to fruition. Now’s a big chance for Anet to show they’ve listened.

It’s currently being acknowledged within the Ranger community (perhaps not by all, but certainly by a noticeable number) that this could be the make-or-break for the Ranger. For me, I think even if Druid is underwhelming I’ll still play it just because it’s always been my favourite archetype in MMOs.

Thanks for the links

Oh nice, do you have any links for the datamining info? or is it too early days yet?

Bored at work so started this thread.

Like to see/Think they’ll put in place?

I thought something along the lines of a seasonal spellbook would be kewl. Similar to the Elementalist, wherein you can switch between elements; with the Druid you’d be able to switch between Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter-themed spells. Additionally, I would like to see that “aspect of the pet” idea proposal added, so when your pet is stowed you take on their specific “aspect” as a boon or passive trait etc.

Random.4691:

You’re both arguing over assumption.
Neither one of you have facts.
Neither one of you is right.
Neither one of you are wrong.
You’re both dragging out an argument that can’t be answered factually.
Stop the slap fight, you both look silly.

I’m too tired now. I’m just gonna go run round WvW on my boonkitten Ranger pretending like I’m useful by giving out free boons.

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Also, please answer why you think: “But on the other hand do you really think anet is going to get any usefull and valuable feedback if they release an unfinished spec? (assuming it’s not ready)”

When this is EXACTLY what they did with the Revenant and “useful and valuable feedback” is EXACTLY what they got from an unfinished profession.

Simple, you’re assuming i’m talking about a missing traitline or weapon, but if the class as a whole isn’t finished (aka energy management, interactions of legendary stance switches) than you’re feedback is gonna be pretty useless.

btw a missing traitline for an elite spec is quite a big deal actually since that’s kinda what it’s about, the traitline/weapon/utility skils and class mechanic change/addition. It’s kinda important to have all those to be tested together, just like the revenant had it’s trait lines, it’s corresponding legendary stances and weapons and ofc class mechanic, instead of, just a traitline and a weapon without legendary stance or even a class mechanic.

What?? I’m not assuming anything. I’m making a direct reference to the fact that you said “unfinished”. Again, you’re making things up.

And you’re completely wrong by saying “if the class as a whole isn’t finished (aka energy management, interactions of legendary stance switches) than you’re feedback is gonna be pretty useless.”, since the Revenant was FAR from finished when it was released, yet all the feedback on the UNFINISHED Revenant was useful to Anet. I think you’ve completely misunderstood what I asked you here.

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Well i guess just trying to flip the question and ignoring what’s actually said is one tactic. A pretty bad one but sure , have fun with that.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, you can look up any , and i do mean any, article where someone asks about some futureitem/change/etc they’ll mostly have the answer that they’re not ready to reveal it yet/ only reveal things that are ready. But you can willfully ignore that to suit your own little theory ofc.

It’s not that hard to use logic if you really try too.

So you’re making an assumption based on the fact that they’re not released yet? There are multiple possibilities as to why they haven’t been released, such as ArenaNet’s subjective content-reveal schedule to maintain a mild level of anticipation leading to release. You criticised my assumption that ArenNet’s meaning behind the fact that Druid is the spec they are most “confident” in meant it is likely to be more ready than the others, yet you make your own.

Actually i’m basing all my reasoning off of what anet has said over and over again when it comes to not revealing content before it is done. While you are basing yours on .. what exactly? you “feel” that it’s ready?

Oh and not to mention to siliness of your whole “i prepurchased i’m entitled to test whatver i want” line. No, you prepurchased a game, you have gotten everything they said you would get, aces to the beta weekend. Prepurchasing does not entitle you to decide what is in said beta.

Now you’re putting words in my text. Please tell me where I said “I’m entitled to test whatever I want”. I said nothing of the sort, nor was it even implied. Though I guess this proves the illogical lows you’re willing to stoop to in arguments. Well done, you’ve entirely lost argumentative credibility.

I’ll correct your quote for you: “I’ve pre-purchased just like anyone else, so why can’t I play my Druid at the same time others can play their elite specs?” This asserts that players should have equal access to content they prefer to play, but this unfortunately is not the case. I am not replying to you any further in case I’m deliberately mis-quoted to suit a failing argument again.

Hint: you quoted the part where you implied to be entitled to test the druid regardless of whether it’s ready or not.

But pretend that my arguments lost validity if it makes you feel more confident about yours. I don’t mind.

So now you’re implying that all the currently revealed elite specs are ready? Yet people are entitled to play those despite them not being? Keep going. Edit: I retract my previous statement of not replying to you any further as I can’t let such fallacy go unchallenged.

Also, please answer why you think: “But on the other hand do you really think anet is going to get any usefull and valuable feedback if they release an unfinished spec? (assuming it’s not ready)”

When this is EXACTLY what they did with the Revenant and “useful and valuable feedback” is EXACTLY what they got from an unfinished profession.

dsslive.8473:

But on the other hand do you really think anet is going to get any usefull and valuable feedback if they release an unfinished spec? (assuming it’s not ready)

So what was it they did with the Revenant in the first BWE then hmm?

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Well i guess just trying to flip the question and ignoring what’s actually said is one tactic. A pretty bad one but sure , have fun with that.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, you can look up any , and i do mean any, article where someone asks about some futureitem/change/etc they’ll mostly have the answer that they’re not ready to reveal it yet/ only reveal things that are ready. But you can willfully ignore that to suit your own little theory ofc.

It’s not that hard to use logic if you really try too.

So you’re making an assumption based on the fact that they’re not released yet? There are multiple possibilities as to why they haven’t been released, such as ArenaNet’s subjective content-reveal schedule to maintain a mild level of anticipation leading to release. You criticised my assumption that ArenNet’s meaning behind the fact that Druid is the spec they are most “confident” in meant it is likely to be more ready than the others, yet you make your own.

Actually i’m basing all my reasoning off of what anet has said over and over again when it comes to not revealing content before it is done. While you are basing yours on .. what exactly? you “feel” that it’s ready?

Oh and not to mention to siliness of your whole “i prepurchased i’m entitled to test whatver i want” line. No, you prepurchased a game, you have gotten everything they said you would get, aces to the beta weekend. Prepurchasing does not entitle you to decide what is in said beta.

Now you’re putting words in my text. Please tell me where I said “I’m entitled to test whatever I want”. I said nothing of the sort, nor was it even implied. Though I guess this proves the illogical lows you’re willing to stoop to in arguments. Well done, you’ve entirely lost argumentative credibility.

I’ll correct your quote for you: “I’ve pre-purchased just like anyone else, so why can’t I play my Druid at the same time others can play their elite specs?” This asserts that players should have equal access to content they prefer to play, but this unfortunately is not the case. I am not replying to you any further in case I’m deliberately mis-quoted to suit a failing argument again.

Obtena.7952:

fluidmonolith.3584:

Would it be better if they delayed the BWE2 by 2 weeks in order to include Ranger and Engi elite specs?

No, because according to the OP’s logic, it’s already ‘too late’ since 4 professions have the ‘advantage’ of the first BWE that Engi/Ranger hadn’t. Not like anyone understands why that’s a massive issue in the first place ….

I explained it in my first post, I’m not sure what’s so difficult to understand? The basic principle is that it’s unfair that I pay the same as everyone else yet have to wait significantly longer to be able to play my profession. Edit: judging by your posts I’m going to make the assumption that you main a Guardian, which would explain why you would not share empathy to the situation of Rangers and Engies considering your profession was one of the first to have it’s elites revealed.

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Well i guess just trying to flip the question and ignoring what’s actually said is one tactic. A pretty bad one but sure , have fun with that.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, you can look up any , and i do mean any, article where someone asks about some futureitem/change/etc they’ll mostly have the answer that they’re not ready to reveal it yet/ only reveal things that are ready. But you can willfully ignore that to suit your own little theory ofc.

It’s not that hard to use logic if you really try too.

So you’re making an assumption based on the fact that they’re not released yet? There are multiple possibilities as to why they haven’t been released, such as ArenaNet’s subjective content-reveal schedule to maintain a mild level of anticipation leading to release. You criticised my assumption that ArenNet’s meaning behind the fact that Druid is the spec they are most “confident” in meant it is likely to be more ready than the others, yet you make your own.

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Obtena.7952:

You have no idea how many BETA weekends there will be that will include Engi/Ranger. You’re assuming we are close to release. kittenumption.

Bryzy.2719:

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

Even if every prof has 2 more than Engi/Ranger, its irrelevant. Anet only needs as many BWE’s as is necessary to make the changes they want. Frankly, you’re being presumptuous and it’s making you look silly.

Regardless of the aspect of feedback, it’s still 2 more BWE’s worth of playtime.

Thanks for the ad hominem. Do you tend to rebuke arguments solely with logic and facts, or do you simply feel the additional inherent need to call everyone with whom you disagree in an argument ‘silly’?

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

Most other profession elite specs will have had 2 beta weekends’ worth of play time over Druids and whatever the Engi elite is. I’ve pre-purchased just like anyone else, so why can’t I play my Druid at the same time others can play their elite specs?