Guild Wars 2

Neko.9021:

Ranger has such a terrible reputation in GW2 it’s crazy. People just viscerally hate the class for whatever reason. If Ranger is bad, they complain the Ranger is so bad and has no place in GW2. If the Ranger is good, they complain that the Ranger shouldn’t be good, and that it’s proper place is to be bad.

This is what I’m scared of.

So let’s say Irenio takes to heart all the crap that Rangers have had to put up with, and genuinely goes to town on the Druid and makes it powerful, perhaps a little too powerful compared with the other elites.

While adjustments would be warranted, everyone else would QQ like crazy (and you can lay a bet it would be the elites like ele and warrior shouting loudest) and we will be over-nerfed. It will then stay like that despite our reasonable calls for change until the next E-spec reveal.

I actually went to the gym with a friend who’s a bodybuilder today (funnily enough he’s also a gamer) to try and pass the time in a different way.

Squatting is harder than it looks

I also tried a protein shake and I’ve been passing some reeaal nasty gas ever since.

Apparently we’re doing chest and triceps tomorrow. I thought triceps were dinosaurs…

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Uh.. You’re backing yourself into a logical corner dude!

You just said you wont be happy if druid is bad, average, or great… What exactly do you want?

I know, that’s why I can’t win!

But it’s for my own silly reasons lel.

As you can tell the wait for Druid is affecting me psychologically

Couple of possibilities,

1. Druid is average or sub-par – meh to be expected, back up plan: re-roll Herald

2. Druid is the best Espec, outshining everything else and adding a completely unique or desirable facet to Ranger gameplay – omfg new meta errybaddy roll Druid. Druid is now the new Guardian and we’re all just part of the same plebeian compost heap.

No. 2 is probably only an issue for me ’cos I like to play my outsider/hipster/dark horse profession

Gav.1425:

Dahkeus.8243:

They already confirmed that druids will still have pets. As much as I’d like to see them go back on that, I doubt we’ll see it since that would invalidate the entire BM trait specialization for any druid.

Source on the druid pet claim?

And they can invalidate an entire spec line with no problem. If you spec Druid, don’t spec beast. It’s as simple as that. You can only run 2 lines anyways.

Basically the HoT trailer is your source. They show the druid casting a vine spell with the wolf running into battle alongside it. Why would they show something they don’t plan on including with Druids?

“Wow gg Anet you made pets actually work, now that Druid/Rangers have caught up to what Rangers should have been 3 years ago we all have to adjust our gameplay therefore it’s harder to beat a Ranger therefore they’re OP. pls nerf again.”

All this thread tells the reader is:

1. OP is perfectly happy with his gameplay and resents others for finding fault and talking about it in anything but a positive light, as though everything is hunky dory.

2.

Nice thread. I liked the part where you thinly veiled your suggestion to Rangers to L2P. Such good advice.

Would be totes hilare/maje bantz/top lols if projectiles had infinite reflect.

Imagine putting two elementalists stood opposite each other, with a pewpew ranger stood behind each one…. eles pop reflect while the rangers pew at each other and watch the ping pong begin.

If you pew at someone, and they reflect… before the reflected projectile gets back to hit you, if you then get a reflect field yourself would the reflected projectile reflect off you???

So basically this is a “shut up, Rangers” thread lol

lhlawarrior.4132:

Encourage them to maybe slightly alter their build to help compensate as much as possible.

Hahahahaha

I wish Allie Murdock was still here

:(

I have never heard of Irenio Calmon-Huang.

This makes me even more pessimistic about the Druid. I’ve never seen him post on the Ranger forum nor make any other attempts at community engagement so just how in-touch with our actual needs can this guy be? You see recognisable people like Roy and Grouch and Karl and know that if they’re working on a profession they’ll engage with its community and show a decent level of understanding about its needs.

misterman.1530:

Sorry. What will happen, if the Elite spec is underpowered or useless to play, people will call it The Crapper.

This is the very first thing that came to mind when I saw the name.

I can see the thinking behind the name, i.e. a scrapper being someone who deals with scrap metal etc. while also meaning someone who gets into “scraps” or “fights”.

But you can’t spell Scrapper with out “crap”.

snow.8097:

interesting, i just thought of a change of “search and rescue” to “kill or rescue” where we need to place an AoE like for guard and the pet rallys an allie or kills a downed foe.
problem is when they both are close to another, but just a random idea

Sounds good, you could probably just solve that issue by having it as a player-targeted skill rather than an AoE. That way if it’s an enemy it will trigger “kill”; ally will trigger “rescue” (obviously lol).

It’s been confirmed that we’re getting the staff and will have “more plant-based attacks”

Zypher.7609:

I read kek and stopped reading.

Okay

Oh God no just don’t, we’re all being as pessimistic as possible to avoid disappointment. i.e. if Druid sucks – “meh, just as we thought”… if Druid’s good – “FINALLY something viable woohoo”

If indeed your gyros (I kek as I write this because in the UK a ‘gyro’ is another word for a welfare cheque coming through the post from the government lol)… anyway if indeed your gyros are AI-based in the same way the Ranger’s pet is, you guys are going to have to be absolutely savage with your feedback after the BWE because otherwise you’ll not be listened to for 3 years and will be stuck with a broken profession mechanic, especially seeing as, judging by the written reveal, you will have even more limited control over gyros than the current Ranger has over its pet.

On a brighter note… totes jelly that hammer basically makes you guys Thor tho.

Heh, I was just listing people who are familiar names to me on the forum. Hope Fluffball and Tragic aren’t offended I forgot them in the list

If Tragic ^ is happy to do it that’s great… to be honest I probably could scrape the time to do it, but my posts are generally pretty whiny and pessimistic so I probably wouldn’t be the most objective person to do it.

It’s kinda sad that I had to make a thread about starting another thread but y’know this is just the way things are with Ranger, so…

Valento.9852:

Karl, are you considering centering Water Globe water field on the tempest?

I would also like to know this!

Also as a side question – Karl do you know who is working on Druid? Rangers are getting reeeeaaal depressed right now

Pink Ninja Man.4375:

Can we cut it out with all the complaints about fairness. In all honestly I kinda hope ArenaNet takes note of this and dosen’t allow for any beta testing next expansion. People should be thankful that they get a chance to test the expansion contend and have an opinion. They could be more ‘fair’ and just give us no beta weekends and no specializations until release.

In all honesty I do not hope they do a beta in the next expansion because I think it is health for the game and makes the long time form announcement to release go by faster.

I am a Ranger main and I think all this whining about ‘unfairness’ is just downright silly and should stop. If you don’t have something nice/useful to say don’t say it.

Poorly argued.

Let’s try arguing from the facts.

The fact is, the players are doing ArenaNet a service by playing BWEs.

The fact is, beta testing is a standard and integral part of any MMO development. Without it the developer is lacking the combined tens of thousands of hours’ worth of gameplay feedback that players provide.

The fact is, you pay for a finished product but do the developer a favour by trialing the unfinished version without prejudice.

The fact is, the Druid will have its abilities revealed last and will have the joint least amount of test time along with the Forge. Regardless of ‘fairness’, the fact is that Druid is at a disadvantage to other professions.

The fact is that Druid is being built upon the most broken profession in the game, and therefore this exacerbates the negatives that derive from the above fact.

You baseless-ly accuse people of being “silly” for expressing their concern and opinion, but it is concern based upon the above facts, and concerns based upon facts are reasonable. So there.

Ryou.2398:

Bryzy.2719:

Ryou.2398:

I also said thieves seem to the keyword here is seem

Wat

Edit: Now I see what you mean. Could have done with some punctuation in that sentence as it looks pretty confusing.

But yeah, you need to spend a bit more time on Ranger if it “seems” to you that thieves have more problems.

Well considering all the info from the forum they do seem they have more issues, considering they have been nerfed constantly, it happens in every mmorpg with stealth classes and this is what it is usually about just because they have stealth does not make them op.

My punctuation is fine it is not hard to understand what the word seem means in a sentence.

You’re wrong. Thieves don’t have an entirely broken profession mechanic, they don’t have.. you know what? I’m too tired to go through all this again. Jesus Christ just go read through the Ranger forum and you’ll see what’s up.

This will get you started: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Feedback-BWE2-Druid-Impressions/first#post5471079

Ryou.2398:

I also said thieves seem to the keyword here is seem

Wat

Edit: Now I see what you mean. Could have done with some punctuation in that sentence as it looks pretty confusing.

But yeah, you need to spend a bit more time on Ranger if it “seems” to you that thieves have more problems.

Is this thread just a thinly veiled way of having a dig at Rangers and telling us we don’t have it as bad as we think?

also

Ryou.2398:

so did the thief but they seem to have way more issues right now.

Wat. Just wat.

Lord Trejgon.2809:

Bryzy.2719:

Rizo.9534:

It just can’t move and all damage made to your pet will redirected to you.

Knowing Anet I wouldn’t put something this crazy past them

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Symbiotic_Bond

they did something similar before :P
[that was.. hmmm very interesting… “shout” :P]

kek wouldn’t take that sheeeiiiit. I thought GW1 Ranqer was sposed to be good?

arnitheking.8427:

Have a day

kek’d hard

kek

Rizo.9534:

It just can’t move and all damage made to your pet will redirected to you.

Knowing Anet I wouldn’t put something this crazy past them

…To create and maintain a [Central Feedback] thread for when the Druid is released?

Considering the limited amount of time we’ll get to feed back on individual skills, the new mechanic, strengths, weaknesses and general builds, we’ll have to be completely on-point and actively converging everyone’s ideas into one concise, neat place that’s consistently updated and easy for Devs to navigate/understand (IF they read it of course).

(looks at Jcbroe, durzlla, chrispy, chokolata etc…. expectantly) Would volunteer myself but I have crazy working hours until the middle of October

People will no doubt be posting all sorts of individual threads so these will have to be c/p’d into the central thread of course.

kittenmit if the Druid sucks on release we totes need to be savage with this.

lol I’m sitting in an EUETS audit at work at the moment and I’m so bored and I’m reading through this thread and nobody can see my screen xD xD xD

Kidel.2057:

Druid was the first elite spec to be revealed, together with Forge. Someone has to be last, it’s right that the last 2 are at least the ones we knew all along.

However I don’t know what people expect from Druid. It’s going to be a supporter class, probably a healer. It’s going to spec into the spirit part of the Ranger.

It doesn’t really need much damage, since it won’t be a dps spec, similar to Herald and Tempest.

At this point I think plenty of us don’t really care exactly what Druid will bring to the table, as long as:

- It fits the theme (this is one thing that is actually looking positive)
- It brings real value to group play <- can’t stress this enough, short of going #FullCaps
- It’s not boring or a total ballache to play
- Our profession mechanic brings reliable value to gameplay

Fluffball.8307:

Kodama.6453:

And I remember some dev saying that druid will rock in PvP.

Do you have a link to an article or something?

To be fair I’m sure I’ve heard this before too, maybe on some POI, but can’t for the life of me remember when/where… then again chances are that’s probably a redundant statement now if Druid’s significantly changed since then.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Also, any connection between Heart of Thorns coming out during Halloween when Mad King Thorn is around?

ILLOOMINARTYYY

rabidsmiles.5926:

Well I can only hope (yeah, stupid I know) that this means they’ve been taking their time to work on the profession…and not just slapping more band aids onto it and it calling it a day. To be fair, the Ranger and the Engineer both needed serious work. Was hoping Druid would be next but alas…as everyone expected, we’re last. Again.

I’ll admit I had this hope too. But the more I think about it, the more naive I feel. Ranger history proves my naivite.

The best analogy I can think of is that of comparing house foundations:

You take the Tempest for example; sure it’s probably one of the worst elite specs we’ve seen so far, but it’s built on a perfect, solid foundation – the Elementalist. The result is therefore an “oh well, we’re still as strong as ever with a few neat new toys to play with as a bonus”.

You take the Ranger; they’re building the Druid elite on top of a weak, broken foundation (i.e. the profession mechanic). Just how good can this elite be? Unless (by some miracle) they have actually addressed and somehow improved the profession mechanic altogether, it’s going to be, for want of a better expression, Anet trying to polish a poo. Sure there might be some cool new features and maybe one or two new utilities – but underneath the new makeup will be the same old, rotten core.

Let’s see just how far they’ve dug with the Ranger/Druid.

Dadnir.5038:

Probably it’s more like : “Druid still not ready”

At this point that’s my best guess :’)

The 3 year history of the GW2 Ranger would back that up too.

Sephas.8793:

ha, Druid is last.

Well let’s face it Rangers are at the bottom of the pile for literally everything in game so this doesn’t come as a surprise :P and at this point it’s too naive to suggest they’re ‘saving the best till last’ since how can ‘the best elite’ be one that’s built upon the most broken profession?

1 BWE to test and less time than all other professions to get feedback to Anet. It’s GW2 Ranger all over again. Here’s to re-rolling a shiro/glint revenant main

It’s almost funny

Ganathar.4956:

Bryzy.2719:

Ganathar.4956:

Bryzy.2719:

Azumi.9572:

Tempest is dead before arrival. It’ll be a rotten corpse at arrival.

The only way to make people use Tempest is to nuke the Ele into oblivion and if you do that, people will simply abandon the class.

I’m willing to bet a Legendary weapon that Tempest users make up less than 2% of the total population of Ele in this game 5 months into HoT.

While you’ll see boatloads of Heralds, Berserkers, Reapers, etc. Tempests will be virtually nonexistent.

It’s an extremely bad specialization. No amount of feedback is going to change that. It’s dead already.

Not that anyone cares of course since Ele is already the best profession in the game.

That’s a pretty bad excuse to release a broken elite spec. In that case Anet may as well say: “We apologize, but your profession is the best in the game at the moment so you will not be getting an elite spec this time.”.
Then they wouldn’t have to spend their resources on something that a minuscule amount of players will use.

What you don’t understand is that elite specs are one of the selling points of HoT, so they need to be useful at the very least. Unfortunately, the dragonhunter is not faring much better than the tempest right now and the druid and forge will have minimal testing time. I really have to wonder if HoT will launch with almost half of its elite specs in a bad state. Remember, these elite specs are the only significant expansion to our professions since release.

The Tempest isn’t broken. I think by “broken” you mean “not as powerful as I wanted”.

There are 8 other elite specs to choose from if you don’t like the Tempest :/

Oh of course, as a Ranger you don’t have to spell that last sentence out for me – I’ve been playing the legit most broken and unwanted profession in the game since the release of GW2. This is compounded by the fact that Druid hasn’t been revealed yet, and that we will have just 1 BWE’s worth of testing (though even that’s not confirmed). This is worrying seeing as Druid is the last potential lifeline for the Ranger profession, particularly in the context of the new Raid content. The only reason I’m hanging onto my Ranger is to see what Druid brings. If it’s not absolute king of the elites at support and/or control then I won’t hesitate to delete and re-roll a shiro/glint Revenant as my main. As a Ranger and active forum participant over the three years GW2 has existed, what I’ve learned is that no matter how loud you shout, it is at Anet’s whim to look into any given aspect of our profession. It’s a complete roulette. Therefore there is no point in clinging onto my main in the naive hope that it will someday be fixed. Time will pass and the next round of elites will be rolled out. If it continues with the Tempest in the same vain then I’d advise you take a similar approach.

It’s pretty broken in that it doesn’t have any synergy with the core elementalist specs. The tempest traits don’t even have much synergy among themselves. Another bad thing about the tempest is that its overloads offer effects that the ele could already do well. If you noticed I didn’t even mention if the tempest is powerful or not in this post, because it does many things wrong besides being a bit weak. I could continue writing about the flaws of the tempest but they have been stated many times before.

Of course I will likely choose other elite specs. It’s just that I feel pretty bad that my main likely got nothing new out of the expansion. As a ranger, you have it the worst out of all of us so far, that much is true. I have played my ranger all the way to 80 and seen all of their crappy utilities and their counter-intuitive trait choices. I also know about your broken profession mechanic. (Edit: Maybe I should say seriously or incredibly broken here. I haven’t seen anything working this bad in any other profession )

Rangers should be the priority profession in terms of a re-work. It really makes me wonder why other professions got more attention in the June 22 patch. However, that doesn’t mean that Anet should ignore other professions and I still believe that the tempest is an incredibly flawed elite spec.

I agree, despite the position Ranger is in other professions shouldn’t be ignored. Who knows, maybe it’ll be different for the Tempest? Maybe it’s just that Anet are too overwhelmed by the avalanche of broken that is Ranger to want to tackle it? Sure, Tempest needs its tweaks like all the other elites – maybe you’ll get them in good time and you won’t have to worry anymore. If not, and Anet take a similar approach (i.e. hands over ears chanting “na na na I’m not listening!”) as they did with the Ranger, I’d just recommend leaving your options wide open. I’m just disappointed in myself that I didn’t switch to something else much, much sooner. And yet, despite all that negativity there is still some hope as to what Druid might bring – but maybe that’s just me still being naive. After all, would you rather own a house (read: elite spec) built upon a strong, finished foundation – or a weak, broken one?

Ganathar.4956:

Bryzy.2719:

Azumi.9572:

Tempest is dead before arrival. It’ll be a rotten corpse at arrival.

The only way to make people use Tempest is to nuke the Ele into oblivion and if you do that, people will simply abandon the class.

I’m willing to bet a Legendary weapon that Tempest users make up less than 2% of the total population of Ele in this game 5 months into HoT.

While you’ll see boatloads of Heralds, Berserkers, Reapers, etc. Tempests will be virtually nonexistent.

It’s an extremely bad specialization. No amount of feedback is going to change that. It’s dead already.

Not that anyone cares of course since Ele is already the best profession in the game.

That’s a pretty bad excuse to release a broken elite spec. In that case Anet may as well say: “We apologize, but your profession is the best in the game at the moment so you will not be getting an elite spec this time.”.
Then they wouldn’t have to spend their resources on something that a minuscule amount of players will use.

What you don’t understand is that elite specs are one of the selling points of HoT, so they need to be useful at the very least. Unfortunately, the dragonhunter is not faring much better than the tempest right now and the druid and forge will have minimal testing time. I really have to wonder if HoT will launch with almost half of its elite specs in a bad state. Remember, these elite specs are the only significant expansion to our professions since release.

The Tempest isn’t broken. I think by “broken” you mean “not as powerful as I wanted”.

There are 8 other elite specs to choose from if you don’t like the Tempest :/

Oh of course, as a Ranger you don’t have to spell that last sentence out for me – I’ve been playing the legit most broken and unwanted profession in the game since the release of GW2. This is compounded by the fact that Druid hasn’t been revealed yet, and that we will have just 1 BWE’s worth of testing (though even that’s not confirmed). This is worrying seeing as Druid is the last potential lifeline for the Ranger profession, particularly in the context of the new Raid content. The only reason I’m hanging onto my Ranger is to see what Druid brings. If it’s not absolute king of the elites at support and/or control then I won’t hesitate to delete and re-roll a shiro/glint Revenant as my main. As a Ranger and active forum participant over the three years GW2 has existed, what I’ve learned is that no matter how loud you shout, it is at Anet’s whim to look into any given aspect of our profession. It’s a complete roulette. Therefore there is no point in clinging onto my main in the naive hope that it will someday be fixed. Time will pass and the next round of elites will be rolled out. If it continues with the Tempest in the same vain then I’d advise you take a similar approach.

Azumi.9572:

Tempest is dead before arrival. It’ll be a rotten corpse at arrival.

The only way to make people use Tempest is to nuke the Ele into oblivion and if you do that, people will simply abandon the class.

I’m willing to bet a Legendary weapon that Tempest users make up less than 2% of the total population of Ele in this game 5 months into HoT.

While you’ll see boatloads of Heralds, Berserkers, Reapers, etc. Tempests will be virtually nonexistent.

It’s an extremely bad specialization. No amount of feedback is going to change that. It’s dead already.

Not that anyone cares of course since Ele is already the best profession in the game.

lordkrall.7241:

^ I would say we have rather active communication at the moment.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/devtracker

Oh I get your point, but how many of those are communications surrounding profession feedback? (Apart from Roy’s of course, he’s setting a serious example in the Revenant forum). The reasons why the topic of profession feedback is particularly important I’ve covered in the OP.

Vayne.8563:

Ehecatl.9172:

When I look at the revenant forum I get really jealous. Roy Cronacher is constantly talking to the players, listening to their suggestions, and keeping them up to date on what to expect. At one point a player suggested adding a mist effect on dodging and, within a short time frame, Roy took the suggestion and ran with it and now it’s a neat class feature. It is incredibly refreshing to see that kind of transparency.

On the other hand I don’t even know who’s working on the druid. Or who’s suppose to be responsible for the ranger for that matter. It bums me out.

The problem is not everyone who codes is great at communicating. Roy is, and he chooses to do this, but it’s not really part of his job description. It’s not as easy for other people.

Some people who program sort of live in their code, and breaking to keep in contact with fans would affect their productivity.

I applaud Roy for what he’s doing/has done, but not everyone is cut from the same cloth.

That’s why Anet employ community engagement personnel. Sadly, we’re just not seeing it.

OP is clearly an elaborate troll.

Only someone with ‘difficulties’ would suggest the Elementalist needs more of anything right now.

@nagymbear

Does your name mean North American Gym Bear?

I like turtles

Zok.4956:

Bryzy.2719:

With the release now 42 days away and just 1 confirmed beta weekend left for testing

Where is a BWE3 confirmed?

PAX.

With the release now 42 days away and just 1 confirmed beta weekend left for testing, community hype appears to be being replaced with frustration in the face of the lack of profession-specific forum communication from the ArenaNet team.

It is entirely understandable that the team are concentrating their efforts on polishing the expansion release, but the lack of forum acknowledgements are creating a sense of distance, and perhaps ignorance felt by some, between the Dev team and the community for which they are building the expansion. Given that there is a wealth of invaluable feedback on the forums into which the playerbase has put a lot of time and thought for the benefit of ArenaNet’s development, and the fact that it takes a matter of several minutes to post topic-acknowledgements (for example, “We have seen your thread and your ideas are being considered”), community frustrations are becoming more and more justified.

Profession mechanics and interactions are the front line of Guild Wars 2 gameplay. It is what players are immersed in for the large majority of their play-time, and as such holds arguably one of the largest influences on an individual’s gameplay experience. When thorough, legitimate feedback on profession gameplay** goes unacknowledged on the forums, it places worry and doubt in the minds of the player community because of the lack of clarity surrounding the future of their professions.

ArenaNet cannot be expected to invest time in bespoke replies to every thread, every requested fix or every concern. But it should be expected that a developer acknowledges the ideas and discussions its community is putting forward. The Engineer elite and the Druid are a particular source of worry for the community; there is no indication of who is developing them, no indication of whether they will receive beta testing time, nor any indication that feedback will be responded to before HoT release.

**particularly in the case of the Ranger, which as we have seen recently through Jcbroe’s ironic yet accurate thread that was inexplicably locked, is still a profession whose base mechanic and general skillset is in a comparatively poor place.

Belzebu.3912:

Wuselknusel.4082:

That we would get a devpost detailing the future of the Ranger.
That’s how desperate I am. It was a good dream by the way, I remember no details tho.

The bold parts makes sense for how things run here hahaha
A “detailed” devpost here would probably have not much details

+1 Hearty lols

borya.2964:

Bryzy.2719:

Borya ^ makes a lot of redundant and menial points, would advise OP ignores them for the sake of keeping a useful thread on track.

The OP is able to know what he has to do or not. I am discussing and asking questions, mostly about something that is not clear to me. Who do you think you are ?

I am someone who will argue against drivel when he sees it. How about asking questions relating to the logistics of OP’s proposals rather than asking things about secondary non-issues? I am not replying to you any further for the sake of keeping this thread on track.

Holland.9351:

Warrior has King or Fires

Ranger gets King of Cripples
Increase the duration of Cripple you apply. Critical hits apply Cripple to nearby foes.
2s Cripple
240 radius
+100% cripple duration
(2s cooldown)

I know I shouldn’t read it like this… but yeah King of the Cripples pretty much sums up the Ranger profession LOL

Borya ^ makes a lot of redundant and menial points, would advise OP ignores them for the sake of keeping a useful thread on track.