I never said it would be broken. It seems you refused to read anything else beyond that point. All I have been saying is that this is not an expansion. Its not big enough.
And i see that it’s not based on what they actually said, but on the meanings that you attached to their words. You are basing your opinion not on facts, but on what you guess those facts will mean. And lot of your guesses are not really based on anything solid.
Except when you get a little older you know how the world works and how one thing leads to another. Do I have to know every specific druid skill to get the right to decide whether this expansion is big enough or not? Hell no.
Aren’t words supposed to have meanings? Aren’t we supposed to assume that what the devs are telling us are facts?
Oh I was hyped for about a minute during the PAX announcement when I heard about what we were getting as major features… Only a minute. Then I turned the fanboy mentality off and realized that most of this stuff should have been in the game already. Then I read some interviews and got some more details.
You can put a whole list of what we know and what we are getting right in front of me and I can tell you it doesn’t matter how big the region is for PVE “except devs themselves said that the region isn’t really big but has more depth to it in terms of events and function” the rest of what we are getting is pretty small.
The only things that might be awesome coming out of this paid living story content is the Stronghold structured PvP and guild halls.
Angry Joe will definitely bring his angry army over to GW2 and play the expansion for about a month then get really bored. You can tell he doesn’t play MMOs a whole lot.
PCG: This expansion is unusual in that the lead-up has been almost two years in the making. Do you think it’s going to be hard to balance the needs of players who’ve played all Living World episodes, returning players who have maybe only completed the main story, and any new players coming to the game for the first time? A lot has happened.
Mike: Well definitely a lot’s happened. One great thing about Living World: Season Two is that anyone can play Living World: Season Two. Even down the road people can play Season Two. Certainly, right now, I recommend that anybody who’s excited about Heart of Thorns should get into the game and play episode eight. Episode eight weaves right into the story of Heart of Thorns. Anybody who wants to set up for themselves what the story of Heart of Thorns is, play it now.
There it is… Season 1 and 2 was a set up to Heart of Thorns. Meaning no more Living Story and the current story is being wrapped up in Heart of Thorns.
yes we do. Its a sticky subject and no dev on the forums wants to give clarity. The multiple threads may be related but you don’t have to look at them. I didn’t tell you to click on them.
I was right. In a PCgamer interview they say that HoT is supposed to wrap up the current storyline with Mordremoth. What else could HoT be for in the lore sense?
Sure you will get into the Mursaat but the Mursaat may be the key to killing Mordremoth during the storyline in the expansion in which you use that key to kill the dragon in the end.
So you consider: feature titles, a brief description of each feature and a handful of examples a lot of information? No wonder you are jumping to conclusions.
You do indeed have the right to be disappointed about things you imagine to be true.
I can see now you are not interested in looking at this with a clear understanding of all the facts.
Imagine? How can I imagine when Colin said these things at PAX? So what you are saying is that Colin lied to us when he stood up on stage listing all of the Major Features….
You imagine, because at that point there’s really nothing to tell us how much breadth of content is hiding behind this bullet list of major features. You have constructed in your mind your belief of what the expansion will look like, and are attacking it, while forgetting, that at the moment you are just guessing. You are at the moment the guy that keeps insisting that everything will be broken, because nobody said it won’t be.
Take a breath, move a step back, and try to separate what you know about this expansion from what you believe it will be. And in future arguments try to keep this separation in mind, so you won’t start again attacking things that may not even exist in the shape you see them.
Do I have to know what every skill for the Druid to be to be able to make an informed opinion on the matter? I don’t think so.
I never said it would be broken. It seems you refused to read anything else beyond that point. All I have been saying is that this is not an expansion. Its not big enough.
Guild halls, and structured GvG definitely should have been in the game in 2012. You cannot argue that.
Why? Gw1 had guild halls and GvG at release. GW1 even had multiple pvp modes at release, even though they were flawed and some were removed from the game.
GW1 veterans were disappointed because of these reasons and more. These were good features that existed in GW1 from the start and they are only making their way to GW2 2+years later!
Yes, but at release that is pending. I might be waiting for it to be thrown into a bargain bin depending on the price vs quality.
Right now it seems the expansion will be very small in terms of actual content and features. 1 wvw map, 1 map and game mode for spvp, and a region thrown in, 1 profession, specializations that are double edged swords, Guild Halls (should have been there at release)
When it comes to regions , sure they can be big but there are some zones out there that are just barren and have nothing going on (dynamic events).
This game needs more dynamic events thrown in to existing Maps. Every poi should have an event ready to start once you walk within the vicinity.
It seems clear to me that the OP has no interest in having an informed opinion and only wants to express an emotional reaction based on incomplete information.
Informed opinion? I watched the PAX announcement, read many interviews…. So yah I have a very informed opinion on the matter.
So you consider: feature titles, a brief description of each feature and a handful of examples a lot of information? No wonder you are jumping to conclusions.
You do indeed have the right to be disappointed about things you imagine to be true.
I can see now you are not interested in looking at this with a clear understanding of all the facts.
Imagine? How can I imagine when Colin said these things at PAX? So what you are saying is that Colin lied to us when he stood up on stage listing all of the Major Features….
Once again I will say that I have read interviews on extra details on each major feature and I still stand by my OP. A lot of interviews happened during PAX and I have read many of them to get more clarity which further makes my OP a stronger argument.
The part where you say no one cares….. Sounds like you care. If I don’t buy this “expansion”/ paid Living Story I will still play GW2.
I never wanted an expansion. I wanted what Anet said they were going to do.(Make money from gem purchases and box sales , then roll out free content/feature updates). They have been doing it for 2 years and it wouldn’t be so “lackluster”(subjective term because I thought LW was cool) if they put more resources into it.
I guess people can’t get it into their heads that if the whole player base bought $40-$60 worth of gems it would have paid for expansion worthy content that would be free. " If you actually liked the game you would spend that much. If you don’t like the game don’t play it I guess."
I don’t remember Anet saying they will never make a paid expansion. For two years they offered tons of free content that was fun and engaging, and for that my hat goes off to them. I also do not begrudge them making some money on an expansion. I think they have more than earned it.
If you do not feel they have earned your money that is your problem. You say you have enjoyed the LS content but do not want to pay them money for an expansion. You either think they deserve the money or you don’t. Personally I think it is a poor show to say the expansion pack doesn’t have enough content, before we know enough details, when the company has given us so much free content.
As to the idea of every player buying gems to fund an expansion, well… it’s a nice idea but things don’t work like that. Not everyone will buy gems and many will use in-game gold to acquire it. Anet cannot guarantee an income through the gem store, and that is likely the reason why they have created a paid expansion.
I do not care whether you think the expansion pack is too small, but I do care that you created several negative threads moaning about the expansion, based on very little information, and for no good reason. Anet deserves more respect than that.
We were actually given a lot of information and I have read many interviews. Major features were announced, all major features!
I have the right to be disappointed when Anet turns their back on players who enjoy Living World and bundles up features that should have been in the game already and call it an expansion.
For all those using TV shows as an analogy; keep in mind that you are paying for a service package to watch the channel to begin with; be it cable or satellite. Even if you’re going through Hulu or Netflix, you’re still paying a fee to watch those episodes. So they aren’t technically free to begin with. The only real exception to this is if you’re watching ‘local’ channels, which is not what the majority of you are talking / thinking about.
Anywho, back on topic, I’m perfectly fine with this route – LS leading up and into the expansion story line. It’s actually what I’ve suggested they do since very early in the LS development. I rather like it, personally.
Except that you can since you are paying for your internet service already to play GW2. I can watch my TV shows on Hulu from the internet for free , all I have to do is pay for my internet service. So yah if you look at it that way you can compare.
Living Story had a rocky start and it just started getting really good, but now Anet is throwing that away because some people can’t get away from old habits.
If you are disappointed, think the expansion is not worth it or feel ripped off or in any other way offended by the new content Anet is providing us, then for the love of sanity DON’T BUY IT AND GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!!
Jesus, no one cares if you don’t like it before it’s come out. And no one cares whether you think it is enough to be called an expansion or whether you think it should be free. NONE of your whining and moaning will encourage Anet to remove the charge or make them add more stuff.
They have been giving us tons of free stuff throughout the 2 years, that many other companies would have charged for. And at the end of the day ArenaNet is a business, who’s primary function is to earn money. If they are providing content that is worth the price tag that should be our ONE AND ONLY concern. If you do not think it is worth it, don’t buy it. But I guarantee you, millions will and they will not care if you are not playing it.
Sorry to come across as harsh like that, but sometimes I do not understand how some people can feel so entitled as to demand more stuff from a company that has already given us so much stuff for free. The mind boggles.
The part where you say no one cares….. Sounds like you care. If I don’t buy this “expansion”/ paid Living Story I will still play GW2.
I never wanted an expansion. I wanted what Anet said they were going to do.(Make money from gem purchases and box sales , then roll out free content/feature updates). They have been doing it for 2 years and it wouldn’t be so “lackluster”(subjective term because I thought LW was cool) if they put more resources into it.
I guess people can’t get it into their heads that if the whole player base bought $40-$60 worth of gems it would have paid for expansion worthy content that would be free. " If you actually liked the game you would spend that much. If you don’t like the game don’t play it I guess."
HoT=
~
1 area (maybe 3+ maps)
0 dungeons
1 classes
class specializations
1 wvw map
spvp map??
new armor, weapon??
= ppl say 50€?? Too much
compare gw2 content with exp content
-> 20€ max. It would be bad move to charge more than 20€ for this expansion. Sucking money from its customers is for f2p games.
compare this and their previous free releases to the average sizes of mmo expansions. Remember, when considering, all the free content we got leading up to this, that most MMOs (none that I recall honestly) don’t release that kind of free content generally.
AION , RIFT, are those MMOs?
Sure. But how many mmos do that. WoW certainly didn’t, and it’s been the biggest boy on the block.
Biggest boy on the block because of massive advertisements and being the first MMO to do a huge TV commercial campaign. Its definitely not because the game is good, because it really is not a good game imo. oh and Warframe does it too. though that’s technically not an MMO but has LOTS of players.
Please. I think it’s pretty obvious this expansion has been in the works for some time. I sincerely doubt this was a “oh crap we gotta make money somehow!”
We won’t know until we actually see the quality and polish (or lack of) in the expansion itself. The ZAM interview had some troubling comments, though:
“‘That is often the strategy that a lot of games use when they grow into an expansion,’ Colin said. ‘Our focus is instead on a smaller number of maps that have an incredible amount of deep replay value.’”
…So, expect 3 maps at most with “replay value” meaning “a lot of stuff to grind for”.
“For the launch of HoT, ArenaNet is focused on making one fantastic map for the game mode that lives up to the promise of what Stronghold can be. It is once they have that and love the map, Colin says, that they will start thinking and worrying about other maps. Right now it is about delivering one perfect map that defines Stronghold.”
…So the new game mode will have only one map.
“As for guilds overall, Colin said that they are staying really high level and will fill in the details about guilds down the road.”
…So ArenaNet likely doesn’t know itself how the guild hall system will work.
And so on. The result will tell us whether this was a rushed product as a last resource, or something carefully planned years in advance.
So wait if the Stronghold map fails then they might even take Stronghold out of the game?( moba style gw1 esque gvg hope it doesn’t fail it could be the new Esport setting!) I mean they already did take out one map. Raid on the Capricorn which IMO was a great looking map!
HoT=
~
1 area (maybe 3+ maps)
0 dungeons
1 classes
class specializations
1 wvw map
spvp map??
new armor, weapon??
= ppl say 50€?? Too much
compare gw2 content with exp content
-> 20€ max. It would be bad move to charge more than 20€ for this expansion. Sucking money from its customers is for f2p games.
compare this and their previous free releases to the average sizes of mmo expansions. Remember, when considering, all the free content we got leading up to this, that most MMOs (none that I recall honestly) don’t release that kind of free content generally.
“We hate this drip, drip, drip of the Living Story. We want a paid expansion.”
“Here’s a paid expansion.”
“What? I don’t want to pay cash for an expansion. Can I pay in gold?”
Honestly, a fine example of kitten if you do, kitten if you don’t.
They’ve stated it’s bigger than any of the current regions, the ones with multiple zones. They aren’t giving us a pocket zones like Dry Top or Silverwastes.
I guess I am the only one who didn’t want an expansion. I thought Living World was great and whatever features that came in was just bonus. I supported Anet through real money gem purchases….. Obviously buying virtual items on a gem shop doesn’t make profit for some reason.
Actually in an interview by Eurogamer the devs said they won’t be doing Living Story anymore…..
Wow, so ArenaNet is actually willing to admit that the Living Story was a failure?
They did say a while ago that if Living Story was a success then they wouldn’t have to come up with a traditional expansion. So yes it basically means they think that their creation was a failure.
At least in Living Story is was like watching your favorite TV series every sunday or Saturday for 30 mins. Now when you buy the expansion you will blow through everything .
You already got far more worth than what you paid for, what are you complaining about?
$60-70 AAA game usually has around 60-100 hours, sometimes even less.
You can’t compare Dragon Age: Inquisition to Guild Wars 2 let alone any MMO, different beasts.
In terms of money spent to time played you can. Many people have at least 1000 hours, which is far more than the cost of the game.
No, you really can’t. MMOs are ever changing, ever expanding worlds. Also how many of those hours are spent by people just standing around in town socializing with their friends. Many people use MMOs as a social network, that’s not game “content” provided. They’re completely different beasts.
Technically it is game content provided, as it is inside the game. Try to argue as much as you like, people got far more value out of the game than what they paid for.
How so? Maybe games were meant to be this way from the start?
Actually in an interview by Eurogamer the devs said they won’t be doing Living Story anymore….. So that’s that and another sad time in the gaming industry where this living story innovation should have stayed.
SO basically what anet wants to do is do free living story all the way up to the climax and then put the end behind a pay wall.
Brilliant.
That’s not really what happened, I think.
The Living Story pretty much failed. ArenaNet focused a lot on the China release but it was worse than expected. The number of players has been falling, they have made changes to their business model (selling Living World chapters) yet profit has not risen; in other words, the future doesn’t look bright for ArenaNet.
They probably decided to make an expansion simply because they have no idea what to do now. This is nearing a desperate move. And it remains to be seen how well planned and how well implemented the promised features for the expansion will be.
Living Story failing is a matter of opinion. I actually liked the Living Story and how it delivered lore. Living Story was about lore obviously and anyone who played it and actually paid attention knows the full story up to this point. So actually Living Story was a success to me.
You buy a ew $60 game , you get through 3/4 of the game with tons of lore. The last 10% is blocked off behind a pay wall.
Yes! How dare Anet charge money for the content they create! I’ve already gave them money a few years ago, so now I should have access to everything!
/sarcasm off
CDPR and some more characters
Didn’t realize Witcher 3 was free after purchasing Witcher 1 or 2.
Its not and it would be stupid to think that the Witcher 3 is an expansion.
Anyway , Witcher 3 will be getting free DLC and they said they would wouldn’t ever charge for anything small, but Anet over here wants to charge for features that should have been in the game already and a new region that basically equals all of the new zones we have been given over the course of 2 years.
Maybe anet should have just stuck with living story and rolled out these features on the bi-weekly basis , or if they couldn’t handle the work load go monthly basis?
So basically the smaller dlcs are free (living story cough), but when they want to pump out much larger content all at once they pump out a b2p game? Or maybe CDPR should just keep pumping out their free content for Witcher 2 and forget about Witcher 3.
except that this expansion is actually going to be small despite the region we are getting and actual features. Adding a new map to WvW was probably a mistake. One single new spvp mode? ONE! ONE new profession!
Maybe if Anet was working harder on Living Story quality instead of secretly putting their resources into an expansion they probably would be better off.
Also Anet isn’t doing LW/LS updates between now and release. Who knows if they will actually do LW ever again.
You already got far more worth than what you paid for, what are you complaining about?
$60-70 AAA game usually has around 60-100 hours, sometimes even less.
I wasn’t complaining. Just know what we will be expecting from Anet in the future.
You buy a ew $60 game , you get through 3/4 of the game with tons of lore. The last 10% is blocked off behind a pay wall.
Yes! How dare Anet charge money for the content they create! I’ve already gave them money a few years ago, so now I should have access to everything!
/sarcasm off
CDPR and some more characters
Didn’t realize Witcher 3 was free after purchasing Witcher 1 or 2.
Its not and it would be stupid to think that the Witcher 3 is an expansion.
Anyway , Witcher 3 will be getting free DLC and they said they would wouldn’t ever charge for anything small, but Anet over here wants to charge for features that should have been in the game already and a new region that basically equals all of the new zones we have been given over the course of 2 years.
Maybe anet should have just stuck with living story and rolled out these features on the bi-weekly basis , or if they couldn’t handle the work load go monthly basis?
You buy a ew $60 game , you get through 3/4 of the game with tons of lore. The last 10% is blocked off behind a pay wall.
Yes! How dare Anet charge money for the content they create! I’ve already gave them money a few years ago, so now I should have access to everything!
/sarcasm off
You buy a ew $60 game , you get through 3/4 of the game with tons of lore. The last 10% is blocked off behind a pay wall.
This is what the expansion feels like in terms of story.
Living Story since the beginning has lead up to Mordremoth.
Does this expansion let you kill Mordremoth? It feels kind of messed up to play Living Story all the way to the climax and then be blocked by a pay wall.
IMO Living Story was a success because even though it was tiny 2 week updates it matches the amount of time to push out an expansion. Like pushing out content when it gets finished instead of building up to a release date to vomit all over the game.
It was like the players were on a ride with the developers with Living Story , now its like the developers are sitting back watching the ants in their new ant farm theme park. Living Story has improved greatly and it feels like we won’t be getting any more LS because some conservatives wanted an expac.
The option for it to be totally free, or the option to pay $100 for it to support anet(since people out there think they should really support anet this way instead of buying Gems with real money from the gem store). Either one you choose will not give you an advantage over the other.
What is actually going to happen :
Price range $20-$40
What worries me is not the fact that we are here speculating how many maps we will get……….
It is the fact that Anet is reading this and they are not saying anything about this…………………….
Why the silence? Maybe we are right?
They’re saying nothing because this childish, entitled tantrum isn’t worth a response, lol.
You all act like we know everything there is to know about this expansion. Take a breath, dry your eyes and calm down. It’s going to be okay. I promise.
Anet’s reason for not adding a new race seemed like they were either lazy or did not have the time or money.
A new race = new starter zone + events, new capital city, new racial skill, new Personal Story complete with audio dialog. That’s not everything and even that looks like a lot of work. (The events, new zone, and personal story with voice acting)
CoH was running what, 8 years or something? Compared with GW2, which is just beginning at 2.5 years. Its also 99% likely that there is a Guild Wars 3 in production as we speak, although I dont expect any announcement on that for another year or so. IE GW3 is highly likely to release before GW2 is as old as CoH was.
Lets not forget that GW2 is also fairly unique and draws a crowd, while CoH was a generic “hero game” that easily got trumphed by DCUO. Its all about the lore
Gw3 in production as we speak… That’s a joke right? There is no reason to make GW3…. GW2’s lore and potential future lore is far from finished. Those other dragons we are supposed to kill haven’t been killed yet have they? It would be stupid to just forget about whatever GW2 lore had and simply do a 180 in the other direction.
The expansion for GW2 is enough evidence to deny any GW3 production. To me GW2 is still an unfinished game that has not realized its full potential to be a B2P game.
I agree, kitten price tag is ridiculous. Big PvE changes , but hey pve needed fixes and I say this expansion is a fix because it adds things to the game that should have been in the game at release.
1 new structured pvp mode. 1 new wvw map and no alterations to existing wvw maps.
$10-$20 reasonable price
$20 dollars? For 2 1/2 years of hard work, this is a completely unreasonable price. I think you’re really ball-parking super low, at least it will be $30 dollars, at most $60 dollars (standard edition with original game included ). To credit this,the staple price for most brand new expansion packs are priced around $40 USD.
SO you think that they have been working on this expansion for 2 1/2 years? It may have been hard work nonetheless , but (read my post again). Should have been in the game already.
and No, brand new expansion packs can be priced from a range of $10- $40. Why should we settle for imaginative staple price if what we are getting doesn’t even give as much as (insert other AAA MMO here). Why do we compare? We compare so companies compete against each other for better quality , and quantity. Why was GW2 made? Id like to think that GW2 was made to reinvent MMORPGs , but now GW2 is slowly going back to the old grindy MMO way. Conservative community’s fault I believe.
The focus of this thread is to discuss what core players(those who do not buy the expansions) get out of this.
Do core players get access to the new WvW map?
Do core players get access to the stronghold pvp mode?
Guild Halls? Some people in the guild might not have HoT while others do.
Obviously core players will not be getting Specializations, Masteries, or access to the new maps or living story(if there will be any more LS) that is in the new maps.
I will buy Hot, but it will just suck to start a party with guildies/friends and find out one of them doesn’t have the expansion.
