The problem is that rangers attract people who want to be a jack-of-all-trades.
That’s not what the ranger is in this game and the sooner that people accept that, the sooner the class’s best traits can be utilized.
Rangers are awesome roamers and scouts. You trait like you would for SPvP and you become an outrunner and scout for zergs/groups.
You should be on the outside rings of a large fight, using barrage and other AoE; while using your focused fire on down enemies.
Throw down traps, spirits, and springs for support; but don’t try to be part of the zerg.
My 2 cents worth.
I think the general consensus is that they are tanking on some level over there. Whether or not they think they are just facilitating a natural correction from their lost guilds; or if it’s genuinely throwing the matches can only be answered by them.
I do know that there are a lot of folks not happy with the state of affairs over there. I wouldn’t be surprised if they bleed a little more in the next 5 days or completely go to pieces during the Season.
FA has a lot of resilience, but they have been taking it on the chin for over 5 months now and there has been few signs of that trend reversing.
Also I think they got really discouraged when they pooled money together to transfer RISE over, just to have them leave for SoR just a few weeks later.u forget our history. 5 months is way overexaggerating. we dont mind losing to tc and never did. after all we got smashed by them for months in t3 and we never gave up and actually grew a lot during that time.
so we lost some guilds, so what? doesnet mean that fa falls apart. we never were the ppt kinda server, we prefer good fights.
By your own admission, your server was taking a “vacation” last week. Right as your biggest competition had fallen completely apart; you had a golden opportunity to assert your place as the true T2 server.
You still had numbers during the JQ matchup with us, fielding some impressive zergs at times.
Now you are losing to Maguuma for a second week in a row, a server that has crap for nighttime numbers? Unless UA and the others have left, I feel raised eyebrows are in order.
Unless you had a large number leave last week or at the very end of the previous week, I don’t see how this current state of affairs could even happen.
I like you guys, and don’t wish ill will. However, it doesn’t look good from the outside. You’re now either a T3 server that will have a hard time with servers like Borlis Pass, or there is some sandbagging by your casuals. It’s one or the other.
The questions I have is when will the T1 servers will feel enough is enough? The fundraisers, the out and out aggressive recruiting. Fuzzion was posting in every single matchup thread, responding to every comment that someone expressed dissatisfaction of the matchup.
ANet has done EVERYTHING to facilitate this situation. RNG matches, the Leagues, etc.
Now if you log in, there is a “pick the right world” message for the Season.
It’s bad enough with T1 buying guilds, now you have ANet doing your own advertising?
The most diabolical part of this, is that after they have stacked the top 3 enough; they can say that WvW is only played on a handful of servers and that they are going to close the format due to lack of interest.
I think the general consensus is that they are tanking on some level over there. Whether or not they think they are just facilitating a natural correction from their lost guilds; or if it’s genuinely throwing the matches can only be answered by them.
I do know that there are a lot of folks not happy with the state of affairs over there. I wouldn’t be surprised if they bleed a little more in the next 5 days or completely go to pieces during the Season.
FA has a lot of resilience, but they have been taking it on the chin for over 5 months now and there has been few signs of that trend reversing.
Also I think they got really discouraged when they pooled money together to transfer RISE over, just to have them leave for SoR just a few weeks later.
Your information is a bit dated. You would have been in Silver League anyhow at R13. (Silver league is R7 thru R15
As it is, YB has an excellent chance to compete for 3rd, being mostly between you, BP, and IoJ.
First and second will be FA and Mag unless anything changes with those two.
I may be a bit clueless but why are people saying SoS is tanking? Is it because they are below SBI in points or something else?
Some folks on SBI have long memories. We crash the party right as they were in position to dominate T1, last fall. WM blamed AGG (on SoS at the time) and trolling for their departure, so some guilt by association there.
Additionally, we didn’t have as far as a fall as they did and we stopped our drop literally upon them in T4, and proceeded to once again make life suck for them.
The truth about tanking is that two people have came on our TS3 at different times and asked people to consider tanking. We managed not to use profanity when telling them to take a hike; and that’s as far as it went.
SoS is not trying any less or more than it does in any other match. While some guilds are not as active right now, others have stepped up their game and a lot of casuals have taken up an interest.
So SoS is just fine, and if we can get SBI interested in a 2v1 on SoR this week can get a whole lot funner for everyone (means get out of OL, darnit!)
Some truths about the current T1 as seen from the #5 server:
buying guilds
1. BG has posted, on their community forums, a thread encouraging fundraising to pay for guilds to transfer over. This has been confirmed by guilds that have transferred oer.
2. JQ has admitted that they “help” with transfers. Whether or not they do fundraisers, they do pool funds to contribute.
3. SoR does not appear to have any “active” efforts to pay for guild transfers. It also should be marked that there are very few guilds open to moving that could fill their coverage gaps; most of whom continue to stack JQ.
lag
1. Lag is actually a serious issue with T1 servers and I believe anyone who says that they don’t have lag in Tier 1 matches is lying. While facing JQ 2 weeks ago and SoR this week, we always have someone who notices some lag when a large battle is happening anywhere on the map or if a large group is approaching. While it is manageable with only 2 servers’ forces on the map; it can make any 3-way fight or large 2 way fight nothing more than spamming 1
roaming
1. I have seen individual roamers from T1 servers, however I have seen very few roaming groups. I never saw any from JQ and the only time you can find them from SoR is during the early morning/ SEA hours (their weakest time zone).
blobbing
1. T1, whether by design or by happenchance (usually a bit a both) has a lot of highly skilled WvW focused guilds, and they also have a lot of scrubs who want to be carried to victory.
Most T1 guilds don’t bring more than 25-30 to a fight even on a good night, but they get a lot of people from smaller guilds or people waiting to queue up for where their guild is. The result is groups of 40+ people, all geared for WvW and experienced in mashing the “1” button when lag hits.
Why choose T2 or lower over T1
No one is going to carry you outside of T1. We aren’t going to pay your way, we aren’t going to blob up so you can chestthump by association, and we don’t fight balanced matches.
We are about fighting against superior numbers and winning out despite of it. With fewer numbers, we depend on every individual a lot more. We depend on our commanders a lot more. We depend on every scout, every person manning an Arrow Cart many times over more than T1 servers do.
I know that there are only a few left who have the guts to join any other server at this point. It takes guts to fight against numbers, but that’s what we all do.
You go ahead and make the right choices for yourselves and your guilds, but when the smoke from this Season ends; see who’s still standing and standing strong and wonder if anything you’ve gained is worth missing out on that.
Yes, I turned a T1 recruitment thread into a T2 recruitment thread; just because.
Is Mag even going to try for Gold? I know you guys don’t like playing weekends or for PPT but I thought between FA and you that you could keep CD from scoring much.
Mad props to the guilds on SoR who are trying to fight with fewer numbers. Choo and HL are two that have stood out.
I’ve seen a few TSYM tags, but we appreciate not getting the full group. Haven’t seen much of TW so no call there.
Everyone else on SoR, I suggest running in smaller groups to work on your skills. Treat this as a training week for the next 7.
SBI hasn’t padded their score at all since Saturday and has actually lost ground, the guy (to SBI’s credit only one guy)who accused SoS of tanking looks pretty stupid right now.
Something weird is happening with us; our casuals and usually PvE only folks are poking their heads out.
I’m on the record in saying that I’m not a big fan of going to the Gold League, but if the trade off is getting more of our native population active and involved with WvW; then it would definitely be worth more to us in the long run than a last minute influx of fairweathers and a new finisher.
Anet, take a look at the SoR, SoS, SBI matchup to see why Bloodlust is the worst, most horrible, terrible implementation of a mechanic in gaming history.
SoS and SBI are blob servers. Peel some folks off to deal exclusively with bloodlust, not a blob, a few folks, and gain the benefit rather then give it.
When’s the last ime you fought a true T1?
Why do you think SBI and SoS, two former WvW champions, run in groups?
What if I told you that SoR can send 20 people to cap bloodlust, and still send TWO 40 man groups to cap the rest of the map, and that they can do this 20 hours out of the day (they don’t run much early AM NA)?
Please Maguuma, get to Gold League and forever sew your lips shut on the topic of blobbing and how good your roamers are. I really want to see this pointless discussion end once you get a real education.
I wish SoS and SBI had gotten to fight without a tier 1 server acting as kingmaker here.
I think the result would be very close and would have gone down to Friday.
As it is, you get us in our 3rd consecutive week with a top 4 server and it’s hard to get folks fired up.
That said, I’m proud of how our guys are handling the double-team and are refusal to give up speaks volumes about how tough we can be.
After SOR has put WP’s in all your keeps, stripped you of your determination, removed your Will to challenge us, shattered your desire to even login to WvW. The cross server Karma Train will begin to take form. It is then, that WvW will call out to you once again. Flip, do not hold, do not engage, flip again and again and again.
Can all three servers maintain the desire to keep up the good fight until later in the week? Stay strong, keep it classy out there.
What? If this is the future of the Gold League I’m out.
Ah, the crushing realization has hit, and why all the Tier 3 servers have been cheering you on to push hard.
Mag, you are dirtying up our roadway, go back under your bridge.
Mag has issues with letting go. If you hadn’t come along they’d still be posting in the thread from our last match in September.
All things said, SoR is still massive but I’ve always liked SoR. They were second in our guild’s voting when we left our original server and they don’t have to defend their history to the people in this thread.
SBI, you guys have gone and gotten scary again. Hopefully there will be a 4-5-6 match in Gold League so we can see how you measure up to TC. You guys don’t have the skill to beat them (sorry, being honest) but you have the numbers to make it interesting.
If I had to pick a server to pick up numbers (that wasn’t SoS of course LOL) it would be SBI.
Let me clarify, I think it will be SBI and Maguuma in Gold.
While FA enjoys a substantial advantage in night coverage, it is somewhat blunted by CD (so no 600 ppt). Maguuma has the best daytime outside of the top 4 and a better NA than FA.
The only question is if they are going to break tradition and push on the weekend.
Since SoR follows the down rolled T1 pattern of attempting to distribute misery equally, The score changes as they stand right now are likely to hold. The only x-factor is how their lower tier transfers will handle SoR’s numbers and coverage. So far they are doing well, so we’ll see. They also got an infusion of numbers from somewhere at the end of last week. I hope they didn’t join for Silver League play.
No it isn’t pointless. How about, whenever one of the top 3 teams faces two of the bottom 3 teams, the bottom 2 double team that top tier team the whole week. Us bottom 3 might not have a chance to win, but we sure can cause havok for the top 3.
Also, if we double team, there is a better chance for one of the 2 lower servers to pull out an upset that week. Just need to make sure that we don’t turn against each other, and focus fire on the higher server.
They can be beaten. But it will take effort on our part. It sure would be fun to try.
We saw how well this worked last night when your EB crew made a beeline for our 3rd of the map right at reset.
The only server that has ever had the discipline to do a 2v1 is Maguuma.
Too early to call, but it’s looking like SoS and FA at the moment.
Fun fact, did you know that SoR ticked last at one point (over 1 hour after reset)?
SoR, we understand that there has been a conversation and that you have decided that SBI would be better for gold league; and having seen their numbers there are no small number on SoS that agree with you.
However, if you keep pulling your punches on them this much; they are going to develop false expectations and when you go after them for real it’s really going to crush them. So do them a favor and kick them around a little, or at least don’t let them upgrade their camps on EB (really, what was that?)
Come on Anet, it’s been like so long since SoS has got a decent close matchup. Please Give us SoS vs SBI vs Maguuma or SOS vs SBI vs FA
If ANet sends us to Gold League without letting us get a piece of SBI….Well, let’s just say that I live near their offices and know someone who runs a porta-potty business….nuff said.
Seriously though, either roll us low for Silver, or give us the match we desire to keep us smiling through the T1 drudge-fest.
? Speaking well of DH is against the code of conduct ? I was “taken to task” for saying good things about another server as well.
I guess good sportsmanship is not cricket anymore.
Oh, and to stay on topic; Darkhaven rocks and could use more people!
What I think Luvpie means, that if/when T2 gets close to balanced; do not pull a JQ and do a mega-recruitment.
The problem with 1-3, is that they would be forced to admit that there is no competition from anything less than the top 3; and in admitting the problem they admit their complicity. From there, they have to give a reason for continued inaction; and in the end they have to admit that they are going to take all the money from gem sales and spend it on hookers and blow. (j/k, plz don’t infract me)
SoS no longer has the numbers to compete with T1 servers, so we fought back the best way we could and sent Night Hawk to you.
Best transfer EVAR!
I know nothing about your servers (except for one match with pre-exodus DH) but that looks like an awesome finish you are having today.
Glad someone is having a close match!
Longbow warrior, ele, and necro are all viable for ranged fighting.
Rangers are good in small groups, but are not in big fights.
Just some quiet advice for SoS in preparation for Gold League: Try to convince your players that running zerkers = bad. Your zergs basically evaporated in every battle I experienced because the majority of your players are wearing burst stats.
Every time a friendly dies, they rally enemy downed. Running burst stats in zerging guarantees you will lose, no strategy needed.
Wow thanks, we never thought of telling our militia about that. We were also thinking about all rolling upleveled sword/sword mesmers with Shaman gear; have opinions there?
While I agree that it should be BG, SoR, JQ in their own league, you do see that there are 3 or 4 servers fighting to get INTO the Gold League. They’re not tanking to drop down to the Silver. I would much rather be #6 than #7.
Regarding 2v1, I’ve written about it many times before. No idea why people refuse to do it. Sure it would be nice if there were some incentive to gang up on the stronger server but there’s not. So we should just do it for the fun.
If we both get into Gold or we roll TC or higher tonight (but I repeat myself); let’s open some dialogue on that. I’d rather see us team up than tear each other apart.
I see both sides.
Yes it sucks the top 3 servers are so stacked that 4/5/6 will get pummeled.
But competitions and sports are like that.Look at the NBA. Over the course of a 80 game season, does anyone think teams like Miami, Oklahoma City, San Antonio will ever finish behind teams like Toronto, Phoenix, or Milwaukee? No, but they play the season anyways.
Sure on any given night one of the weaker teams in basketball will prevail, much like in WvW the weaker side may hold a PPT advantage for an hour or two… but in the end, inevitably, the stronger side will prevail.
Getting beaten down isn’t the awesomest thing ever, but it’s certainly better than being the one doing the beating in WvW. At least when you’re losing there’s always a fight to be had. It really stinks getting home from work and ticking for 600+ all week like last week when we faced Yak’s Bend and NSP. It’s not like winning is a glorious feat. Anyone can transfer to tier 1 if they want. Go out for the fights and the chance to learn and see new things. Whichever 2 of FA/SoS/Mag/SBI make gold league, it’s a good chance to farm bags for 7 weeks!
In professional sports they don’t let the winners of the SuperBowl play junior college teams.
I think I speak for all 4 servers in that we’d like to be removed from Leagues all together (keep your achievements and rewards) and just have us beta test a new 4 way map.
Kthx
- I can dream, can’t I?
Rewards for supply carvan escorts were removed because people were collecting vast amounts of XP, karma, and gold just by walking around dolyaks at quiet times (auto follow).
Now that we are over 1 year from launch, and that it’s so much easier to gain these things in PvE; shouldn’t we bring back rewards for this?
Still worried about people abusing this system…a little silly, but I can understand that. Make the reward a token that can be traded in at the citadel or border. You need 10 and you get a back that gives a sip of karma, x amount of gold, a Skill Point scroll, and a random resource (5 mithril, or 6 seasoned wood logs, etc).
Rewards without instant gratificiation, all should be happy.
This is probably pretty down on your “to-do” list, but with all the time over the season and with a lot of Halloween and Wintersday being repeatable; I dare say you’ll have time and resources.
Thanks!
Make defending things give more rewards than capping.
Give no wxp/loot/exp when someone kills a player while on an ac/ballista
Under Mutually Exclusive the definition is explained as……
NA servers might be an option if you are looking for small group actions. Servers like SoS and Maguuma have some EU groups and is perfect if you are looking for small ops.
Not much chance of the system changing it. Heck, my login screen was encouraging server transfers last night.
ANet is pulling an Enron on us.
Am I alone in wanting to see FA vs DB this coming week? It’ll be a laugh riot as FA has to decide whether or not to continue tanking, or to finally kick their long-time rival when they are down.
I find this to be the reason why wvw is more appealing than any part of gw2 because of the ultimate manner of team work required compared to any other part of the game, and that it builds the community,
+1
Every server has/had those commanders. The guys not on voice, who don’t work with other commanders, who type everything (usually insults) in all caps. Luckily all of ours have moved elsewhere.
I’m the only jerk commander left on SoS, and I’m a lot nicer and respectful in game. I’m only a kitten here on the forums LOL.
There hasn’t been a reset this tense since the end of free transfers.
It’s hard to say what will happen during and, more interestingly, at the end of the first season. There might be a move to further stack the season champs, only to have that backfire, or we might see servers break, etc.
I can tell you that the current T2 and contenders are AMAZINGLY resilient communities.
SoS has had many ups and downs, but the folks here have put down deep roots and there are no fairweathers left.
Maguuma may act in a certain way on the forums, but they bring amazingly organized play to the battlefield.
FA has been constantly a force to be noted, spending almost the entire last 12 months in either T2 or T3; never dropping, never taking the easy way out.
Even SBI, which seems untested in the true heat; has a core of T1 veterans who simply don’t give up.
All these servers are looking for some good people to join them, but people scared of a challlenge need not apply.
We aren’t speaking as much to defensive specialists like yourself, but people who want to zerg up and follow commanders in the open field.
Those kind of fights require coordination and a willingness to play as a team. That means clicking on a program and listening in while you are doing these activities and you can turn it right off if you want to do something else.Folks running uplevelled at the front of the zerg, with no TS up and running….it just ain’t cricket!
Play how you want, but a lot of us care about the experience for everyone on the server and voicecomms is a tool to improve that.
GvG? Sorry you lost me there. It will always happen that you have uplevels or such with you. That is the way with militia. You will never be able to convert the whole world. You could of course assign another commander to pull the pugs while everyone on ts would follow your commander and you dont need to tag up. Problem solved on at 99% scale. I wonder tho, how is such an interest attracting small scale guilds if in the ends you are mashing into a big blob like t1.
You think defense requires no coordination (considering we are dealing with a lot harder circumstances than just a few uplevels….preferable a dedicated tc who drains our supply everytime before an inc…no its not an indcident tc, its happening everday now)? Thanks for the flowers i do love you too but as said I was on ts. So much for small group play.
1. I’m not talking about GvG, I’m talking taking the towers we ask you to defend.
2. You are right, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to educate militia and help them learn better ways to WvW.
3. I am not knocking defense. It’s a crucial part of the game and I wish we had more folks like you.
What I mean is that defending an open-field/offense are completely different; and the latter requires large numbers on TS3 to be effective.
One thing I can say I feel some pity on TC because they get these huge numbers against smaller servers, but those mega-zergs disappear when T1 gets involved. I’m not saying that if all those folks got on that you could beat any of them; but you’d have a lot better of a time when you face them.
A tier 1.5 server is such an odd thing.
If anyone’s out there on DB or SoS, could you recap some stuff? Haha
oh so witty laughs behind white gloves.
forum rules prevent me from giving my standard reply to such comments; though it could be considered in historical context that I quote our last Vice-President.
Just want to karma train a bit, man. Relax a little
Give them some room. After you flattened our stuff with you omega golem rush (okay, we got sloppy on the scouting but we do this with 10 people, try to match that) you kept downing all tries of a retake.
Be lucky our bl commaner feed you some.Also Chris, have i overlooked you on the map? I have not seen you on. Dont get me wrong but the last time i got onto ts i had a nice listening of how everyone not on it is a noob. Bite me as you wish on weekends, but with attitue like this and that here showing no understanding or tolerance of a point of view of someone else i rather be the noob that hears when the enemy starts killing our canons and outer siege without getting the keep contested. I am not a ts or voip or whatever enemy but how about you guys try to come to terms that not everything is black and white. Especially considering what you guys are looking into atm regarding need.
Feel free to involve the people with a different perspective.I got no issue going onto ts again.I have been with you guys before. But just listening to “push push, pull, push back” is not really that interesting for me. I dont hold a grudge or something. Its just a rational thougth….just saying.p.s. almost forgot: hearty wishes to the tc (not your raging kiddies but the other ones ) that did not only the small but althought big scale battles with us. Was really nice. If only db would have been a little bit more on the uphill drift this would have been even more interesting.
Do you know we have lost quite a few individuals over the unwillingness of our militia to use voicecomms?
We aren’t speaking as much to defensive specialists like yourself, but people who want to zerg up and follow commanders in the open field.
Those kind of fights require coordination and a willingness to play as a team. That means clicking on a program and listening in while you are doing these activities and you can turn it right off if you want to do something else.
We’re now a Tier 2 server, but we have folks who are bringing T6 play to the table, and it’s making life heck for those of us who still give a rip.
Folks running uplevelled at the front of the zerg, with no TS up and running….it just ain’t cricket!
I don’t have this attitude because I’m some sort of elitist. I like playing games, WITH other people. It’s even better when we can talk, just like if we were playing over a table or in the same room.
I like talking with people and playing with the great people we have on this server. I like to fully engage.
The people who don’t talk or listen, who just blob around the blue nachos…there’s no soul to that.
Play how you want, but a lot of us care about the experience for everyone on the server and voicecomms is a tool to improve that.
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If anyone’s out there on DB or SoS, could you recap some stuff? Haha
oh so witty laughs behind white gloves.
forum rules prevent me from giving my standard reply to such comments; though it could be considered in historical context that I quote our last Vice-President.
SBI is beating Mag by 30k, in a matchup involving a server that is admittedly trying to not gain rating… don’t brag too much.
Also complaining about necros…yes Maguuma has some excellent Necro tactics (shout out to Ark) but if you found a guild of 20 people who run necro heavy to be a show stopper, then you’ll last about 30 seconds against SoR. Seriously, they can paint a tower black with marks and if you haven’t learned how to dodge against Maguuma; you’re going to embarrass yourselves when you meet them.
Anyways, early congratulations on your victory all the same. Just tone down your PvF, Maguuma gets away with it because they’ve proven they don’t give a rip either way.
You know what? This wasn’t a bad tier 3 matchup. I wonder what the score would be if we showed up on Saturday and Sunday.
You’ll undo the space-time continuum if you do that!
TC / Mags / SBI
^^ Would boost SBI & Mags likely into gold leagues.
Match up I’m hoping for anyway.
I would really like to see the FA/SOS/SBI … which basically would be a tale of who wants it more? I believe FA will be playing light until leagues.
SoS on the other hand, would be a good challenge for SBI.
I like this potential matchup, as it will really put FA in a tougher spot than they were in this week. They claim they were on vacation (read tanking their score) this week but they’ll be in a bind if they roll us and someone else because A. They can’t play the map in favor of the stronger opponent (how they’ve always approached our fights; and B. If they tank too hard, SoS will look like a sure bet for Silver and FA will not get any last minute transfers.
Whatever happens, we’ll roll with it but that would not be a bad outcome at all.
ppt roamers r best roamers
This week I cant, JadeBlob and Sanctum of Bags are zerging everywhere lol
Point invalidated by OP.
The only time anyone ever solos anything in T1 is because there are no less than 4 sets of orange swords elsewhere on the map calling all zerglings back to their motherships.
Warriors are the best long-distance sprinters but several classes have faster gap closers.
Dear SOS,
You’re not getting Durios back!
Warm regards,
TC
We ported over from SoSBL later in the evening and we had a facepalm moment when we saw that you had Durios with walls, gate, and even cannons. We still flipped it, but it’s just another reminder that we got to work with our PuG commanders a lot more.
We have some folks that think VoiP is the cursed black arts or something.Small correction,only person on SoS highly “against” ts3 etcetcetc is me because people tend to cling to commander to tell them what to do and they dont use theyr own brain.
The rest are just lazy,heck they dont even use text.
.Yes, because it’s so much better to have the people who don’t use their brains waiting for people to type out directions.
#partoftheproblem,notpartofthesolution
Information easier to backtrack and review on text instead of missing it because someone stuck his mic into his rear and took a series of long wet farts while moaning.
Or not hearing the rams on valey wg despite you can hear them clearly all the way from langor when you dont have blah blah spammed into your ear.
TS may be a decent assault tool,but it has a good number of drawbacks.
Not to mention eula doesnt say anything about enemy jamming your (3rd party) communications,thus makeing it a quite legal tactic to have it turned against you.
And its not about the typing vs ts,its about teaching people how to fish instead of feeding them each and every day.
The problem is when groups like Fang, GotM, and Rend try to work with our militia, we try to step up the tempo with tactics and calling spikes,etc. it’s not possible to do that via chat and our militia get curb stomped by organized guild groups who are on comms coordinating.
/Team chat commanding only works for karma trains.
Trying to break our guys out of those bad habits is frustrating. Then I hear someone talking about how they miss Patone and I have to resist the urge to bludgeon myself.
BP needed a nighttime force. Glad they got it
Only a full implosion will cause people to move since the achievements are locked to your server at the start of the season. I think the next week is going to see a lot of movement though.
I don’t think they’ll be much movement during the season, but I expect a lot of shuffling the week after it ends.

