It looks like FA is cracking at the seams. They fall apart too much and we might get two new servers into gold.
And from my own observations, Maguuma has Tier 1 skilled players with Tier 8 coverage. Thus is the reason why we deserve that spot, since skill is measured higher than population.
Everyone says that their server has t1 players with kitten coverage.
You didn’t read everything he said…
He also said some stuff about being entitled because their skill.
Maguuma is the best reading since Charlie Sheen claimed he was “winning”.
If we deserve diminishing returns for our NA then every other server deserves diminished points for their Oceanic.
We’re gunning for you
I meant there is a point where you can’t get anymore points typically, but it looks like you’ll put that theory to the test.
For the second matter, bring it!
Really? The unofficial Oceanic Server? I mean no disrespect to you, or SoS, or your guilds, but you if you are the unofficial Oceanic Server, then Maguuma is the unofficial NA server.
The only time SoS is ahead of FA in PPT is between 2AM and 4AM server time, on some days. Check our recent match ups. We have had 3 or 4 since Anet took away tiers.
Anyway, like I said. I mean no disrespect, but it bothers me when I read that “unofficial Oceanic Server” thing. You can’t claim that title while JQ, BG, and TC are still around.
I have no desire to hijack [RQ]’s thread with this pointless debate. While I understand the members of FA might be upset at losing a valuable guild; they have made their choice and the important thing now is that they find a new server they can call home.
hopefully those in T1 will find it unfun crushing those in T2 week after week with no competition and spread out.
With the exception of HoD, there has yet to be a server that imploded because they were winning too much.
It should be added that a lot of the former HoD people stacked BG and SoS and never left the top tiers.
My server actually had a lot of people leave after winnin 13 out of 14 match ups ’cause it was too boring for them apparently. People can have bad morale for like really weird reasons.
If tier 1 wasn’t matched up together so consistently, I think people would transfer off (and as another point, they wouldn’t recruit so hard either). People don’t wanna be in matches that aren’t fun.
I can understand if a group gets too strong that they may move to find a greater challenge. However, T1 can’t get no higher and many refuse to believe there is any other way they can challenge themselves.
I just look at what just the talk of the season has done to several servers.
You’d think Mag would hit some sort of diminishing returns on their points. I guess you guys are going to get 6th by beating the old #6.
GJ
I would be all for this idea but it seems like the Devs always come up with plans to do over T3 in a bad way as it is. Last thing we need is to get Devon thinking about what he can do to limit off hours imbalances (any of the T3-T4 servers).
I know a lot of people who are dreading the weeks of tedium if we end up in Silver.
Please keep in mind, that with all things going on, a league run will only be 7 weeks no matter where SOS ends up. We decided to go t4 back then and got stuck in it for a far longer time. It did not improve gameplay. Going against higher server gives some people opportunities to improve (certainly my trebbing practices have been heaven with a jq zerg every 30 mins on the gate) but most people dont want to tbh.
As i see it if we go up aussie pt will be happy, if we go down na pt will be happy.In the end, even if i sometimes kitten on some of the arguements some commanders bring forward on justifying the karma train, i have basically given up on some things including guilds. I am not sure if more guilds will improve sos. Maybe.
I wish our na good luck on it since some have talked about orgainsation and working together…something i think i have argued for in the past. But i have yet to see the roamers/pugs/guilds/scouts work together. And despite always having been with defense I have yet to see a commander reach out to us or to any of the small old guilds that have always been on sos but are never mentioned. It`s funny and sad when at the same time you read commander complaints about the lack of scouts.Well, i dont like mags (and that evil morning train i get to fight every time)but it seems they just have more of a “we” feeling. If they get in, i wish them a good internet connection and a lot less lag than I have with jq atm.
Bottom line: let the random roll luck decide.
Are you on our community site or go to the meetings, we were actually discussing this last week a lot.
As a commander I try to straddle the line between encouraging and getting involved, at the same time trying to respect other guilds/groups’ autonomy and playstyle.
Of course I’m usually on during NA, I’m rarely on late/early enough to make it for SEA. I do know you folks have been doing wonders with what you do have.
hopefully those in T1 will find it unfun crushing those in T2 week after week with no competition and spread out.
With the exception of HoD, there has yet to be a server that imploded because they were winning too much.
It should be added that a lot of the former HoD people stacked BG and SoS and never left the top tiers.
Right, I got it. All this time everyone had it wrong. It wasn’t about population and coverage at all. All good PvP players wanna be in tier 1 because that’s the only place good PvP players are. It should be clear to everyone when bad/lazy/bandwagon people transfer they go everywhere but tier 1.
It’s not that and some guilds have enough pride not to rush into that clusterkitten in Tier 1.
However, there is an abundance of guilds in T1 that do nothing but WvW.
Look at your own situation. Do you have presence on all maps? Do you have people who WvW every day and run in groups of 40+?
Do you have queues every day, of people who do nothing but WvW?
It’s not about skill, it’s about effective guilds running in groups vs. mish-mash of PuGs who aren’t on VoiP with the others.
I understand it may be a painful topic for FA, but did RISE really just leave you?
The queues this week in EB are not representative of a typical JQ WvW match-up. On one hand this matchup is during the extended free trail week so there are a lot of low levels trying out the game and clogging up the queue, and on the other hand PvEers are further congesting WvW to get map completion because we own 90% of the map. I can guarantee you that during a tough match-up with BG and/or SoR you will see few if any queues. We had none last week.
If you place high value in anecdotal evidence here’s some for you: no queues on any of the BL right at this very moment, and I got into EB in 20 minutes.
And when the seasons start you’ll have everyone trying to log in for the achievements and your queues will be hours long.
How much more stacking do you need?
Hi Novus,
The community over at SoS would be a good fit for you. Despite some recent transfers, we still have modest coverage in NA, only queueing 1-2 maps at the most over the weekend.
As you might know we are the unofficial Oceanic server and even have a modest EU presence, so we truly fit the bill as 24/7.
If you want to know more you can PM me here or in-game and I can answer any questions you have or we can arrange a meeting over TeamSpeak with several of our guild reps so you can find out more.
Good Luck in your search.
Cheers.
I feel no sympathy for the bandwagoneers who are going to drool themselves to death waiting for queues to pop in Tier 1.
Everyone needs to stop going to Tier 1, this crap is out of hand and ANet is 100% complicit in creating this catastrophe.
everyone is in t1 atm so they have massive queues and a massive coverage. i think t1 should be in their own league, because right now http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/1019
2 servers are being almost spawncamped on each bl.
we love to fight, but massive hammer trains everywhere u go is not really a good fight.
t2 servers wanna move down to escape atm. guilds flee or are getting paid to join kitten is getting a little out of hand.oh well… bring it!I agree with this 100%. Being a TC player, it sucks getting crushed by T1 when we fight them (which will be most of the season). What sucks more though, is not being on even footing with FA and SoS. Get some transfers so we can have even fights!
Find us a source of WvW focused guilds that aren’t going into T1 like moths into a flame then we’ll be glad to recruit them.
Not counting all the DR and DH guys who went to SBI (because gem costs were cheap there at the time) all the guilds we talked to announced they were going to TC or DB, and are either still on TC or left DB to go to …wait for it…T1.
Yeah, the rankings will go completely wobbly at the end of Season 1. T2 will all be ranked down with T4 servers and T3 will be in the T2 spots.
Not to mention what attrition will do to the lower ranked servers, we might see a crap-splosion at the end of the first season.
I know a lot of people who are dreading the weeks of tedium if we end up in Silver.
How would it be different from your past month, not counting your current match-up? SoS is designed to create tedium, not just for themselves but for anyone that plays them.
We’re working on the lopsided nature of our coverage and we have had some excellent additions to our community along with some very interesting parties expressing interest.
In regards to Maguuma we now have a much stronger NA and can fight them even better at this time. We haven’t gotten to try out the new SBI, and can’t wait to see how that matchup will play out.
but I know a lot of people who are dreading the weeks of tedium if we end up in Silver.
I personally like to get an easier match after a rough one like this week; and if we end up in 6th we won’t have those breaks. However if we end up in 6th it’s because we are the 6th strongest server and we’ve proved it by beating Maguuma 3 times now.
100% agree.
This post is a 180 of the one you removed :p
I re-read your post and realized I had misread you.
So IoJ has a little fight in them, well maybe Silver League won’t be complete tedium then.
The general consensus of our server (SoS) is that we will be happy for Mag to get 6th and be steam rolled and curbed stomped and swirlied every week. We don’t want it. We aren’t going to throw matches, but we’re sure as hell happy to let Mag gain points through currently blowing out their weaker opponents this week, to get blown out in future weeks.
We had a nice big talk about it in EB tonight before JQ dominated all 4 maps again.
There’s no general consensus. I mean, no one is going to have themselves a good cry if Maguuma gets it; but I know a lot of people who are dreading the weeks of tedium if we end up in Silver.
I personally like to get an easier match after a rough one like this week; and if we end up in 6th we won’t have those breaks. However if we end up in 6th it’s because we are the 6th strongest server and we’ve proved it by beating Maguuma 3 times now.
Mag and SoS are now 9.8 points apart. It is getting very close.
To be honest, Mag is probably going to pull ahead of us this week. I don’t see us gaining any more points than we have right now (I think all of ours are being pulled from FA ).
Maguuma is typically a pushover during the weekends and EBay doesn’t play past Sunday; so if they have racked up this much by Monday morning, their decent daytime presence is going to wrack up a huge lead by Friday.
Probably won’t be more than 10 points apart by Friday but they’ll either pull even or slightly ahead.
I don’t know. Looking at the points and the standings SOS is assured of the 6th place in the golden league. There is no reason to put that in to jeopardy by requesting a 2 week rematch with the other equally strong contenders. I am surely missing something here.
Surely TC has not had their transfers so long that they can’t remember just a few short months ago when they still had close matches with FA and DB?
The only time we get a good fight is with those two, and with all of us running for 6th out of server pride, it’s only right that we should have a showdown to fight it out.
I don’t want to get 6th with never facing SBI. Maguuma doesn’t want to coast into 6th simply because they got DB the week they completely fell apart.
Let us have a battle royale and the server that is truly the best can take the prize.
But lets be honest, SoR, BG and JQ are more skilled than any other NA server. (Another reason they need their own league).
More skilled at what? If you mean skilled at earning PPT, yea sure I can agree with that because they are the few servers that actually work at PPT.
T1 has the largest number of WvW focused guilds. This doesn’t mean that 20 people from random BG guild are better than 20 people from an IoJ guild.
What it means that they have all maps queued with WvW focused players who do nothing but WvW 90% of the time.
Compared that to most T2 and lower servers that can fully man 2-3 borderlands on reset night with 30%-50% casual PuGs.
What really needs to happen for the next two weeks of Mag-SBI-SoS have 2 weeks in a row to sort themselves out. Really ANet, make this happen for us to sort this matter out.
I know DB is in the mix right now, but Maguuma runs wild during the work week and if DB can’t handle their tepid weekend push; they are going to get ripped a new one the rest of the week. SBI will overtake them shortly.
If we don’t get these matchups, the Silver League will have an asterisk after it the entire time.
If SBI sneaks into 6th without a showdown, no one can really say they were even good enough for the Silver champ.
What will happen when Maguuma finally starts playing for PPT?
How much has changed with SoS’s new transfers?
This battle could be more interesting the entire Season.
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The worst case scenario would be SBI getting gold. Their transfers are mainly from lower tiered servers and they’d probably break from the T1 onslaught.
The only competition SoS would have would be Mags. Week after week of “coverage”, “nightime”, “but we actually won”.
SoS or Maguuma for number 6th for the collective sanity of all three servers.
And if the top of bronze league gets a last minute influx, it will be more hosed than the gold league.
If SBI gets 6th it will be a complete snore.
SoS is going to do it because every fight won is going to mean a lot more for us than it will the others.
Maguuma likewise, seems interested in testing themselves and finding new ways how to explain how they “really won” the match.
This match is hosed as it is without FA and JQ zerging the bloodlust.
FA just takes stuff from SoS as soon as they see orange swords and only NS on JQ is willing to fight with a group less than 40.
Let’s at least try to have some interesting fights.
Maguuma has lost to SoS in every matchup we’ve had. For all of Ms. Katniss’s state of denial, they can’t claim a win until they actually win. Having better roamers or holding a single keep overnight does not count in the score.
Now Maguuma, respected adversaries, stop arguing that you are better and try and prove it.
I love it, some mouthbreathers, who don’t know crap about any of the T3 servers, suggest there will be tanking and now SoS, SBI, and Mags are in a race for gold.
Besides who wants to tank in order to get the reward, which will probably be yet another backpiece skin?
Hopefully the week before leagues we’ll get a Mag-SBI-SoS matchup so we can settle it the old fashioned way.
Judgment week for the SOS Oceanics who think their the best during their time slot which all they do is run around hoping to PVD for free wxp and exp .All im going to say is good luck .
Are you a victim of their OCX +695.
You must be from maguuma
Actually im an ex SOS oceanic player that left them because of how unorganized they are and not willing to defend and i have a pic from oceanic prime time that proves my point that their not as good as they claim to be . Cya
I’m exSoS. I left because of the 6th week with TC. SoS OCX weren’t unorganized at all.
on a different note, way to pick a time to say hello Achilles LOL
This matchup is so boring ):
Where are you FA and SoS?
For starters, stop hogging the Bloodlust if you want a better fight.
Ahh im so glad to see SOS getting murdered, abused, and destroyed. Back when I was still in CD doing the ebg jp for boh before the achv pts gave us thousands of them, sos would just camp at the end of the jp attacking everyone. ALL I GOT TO SAY IS EAT ROCKS KID!!!!! JQ FTW!!!! Haha no hard feelings :P
Obviously….
so much for “SoS” SEA
SoS has SEA?
Emp better report this miracle with their infamous score updates!
HAHAHA this screenshot is classic. I remember this post like it was yesterday soo many lulz.
Chris.3290 I appreciate the kind words but don’t complain about SF and NS pushing together. You must have forgotten the before that fight when NS was alone fighting you guys back to back at garry for about 2-3 hours.
You misunderstand. I was commenting about SF not pressing without NS. We had some great fights (win or lose) when it was just NS.
Don’t worry SBI, SoS is committed to keeping you out of the top 6 :P
Well this is exciting. :|
Not to sure what you expected. Whenever you have a large number of WvWers flocking to the one server it takes time for that server to rise to its appropriate rank & opposition. I expect that the current SBI would fit in at about Rank 6 on the ladder.
How would you know where SBI fits, they haven’t faced anyone higher than T4 since the transfers?
Until they face SoS or Maguuma, it’s all pointless speculation.
Actually im an ex SOS oceanic player that left them because of how unorganized they are and not willing to defend and i have a pic from oceanic prime time that proves my point that their not as good as they claim to be . Cya
I’ve heard some truly wonderful and ridiculous things from our Oceanic players; but I’ve never once heard them brag about how good they are or anything like that.
All the Oceanics who had that attitude left....*looks at Aphs*
I guess DB really did lose all it’s fairweathers. Sorry to see it go down this way for you guys.
please be kind and not hijack our thread.
SoS’s attitude since we lost our bandwagoneers has been that we’ll be placed at where we belong.
Some of us would rather not be in Gold League, but if we really are the #6 server then perhaps we belong there.
Judging by last night (as well as we could) we’re pretty close to FA in strength and with a little more in NA we’ll be at the strength we’ve been aiming for.
You could just look into things before accusing a server of tanking on purpose. Bad enough all their guilds got bought by T1 recruiters, now they get to enjoy being accused of crap by dumb people in the process of settling towards the bottom.
After a nights sleep I feel really bad about what I said. I had heard that a lot of the older guilds on DB were staying, but I didn’t realize it had reached this point.
How did we get from “this is my story”, to being strapped to a chair and having a funnel rammed into our mouths to be force-fed whatever garbage comes out.
As for the match, thanks for pushing the open field NS; you remain classy guys. I have to ask, are you fighting us one-handed because it seems you had to hold SF’s hand to get them to push out.
I admit that it’s been a long time now since we’ve tussled with SF, but they were never shy about mixing it up back in the day.
FA, keep being yourselves. I don’t know what we would do without you attacking us elsewhere every time orange swords pop up.
We took Lake while you were defending Hills as an explanatory gesture; but apparently that’s considered a “smart move” over there.
Whatever, it was still a fun reset night!
SBI keeps rolling downward so no one has a true picture of how strong they are. They haven’t fought anyone higher than BP since gaining transfers.
Most of their transfers are from low rank servers and I think many aren’t prepared for the increased level of combat even from their T3 competitors, let alone T2 and T1.
Plus the rumors are that things are not all bliss and flowers with the integration of so many different guilds, many of whom were hoping for a lower league competitor
So if DB is legit in it’s dropping, it’ll be a race between SoS and Mags to fill the vacuum. SoS NA isn’t thrilled with the idea of Gold League, but our Aussies are equally disdainful of the tedium Silver League will bring them.
Maguuma’s forum presence seems all for going for the gold, but who knows how their rank and file feel about it. I think they’ll be burnt out at the end of the season; but they will have a fun time in the meanwhile.
No, we have class and pride unlike DB apparently. Give it to Mags, they aren’t going to take the pisz either.
IoJ and YB are running around, screaming “game over man, game over!”
gl, may RNG smile upon you
Devon if you are going to be going ahead with a 4 league system Please for the love of god give us a chance to prove to overtake DB’s spot in t2. I don’t want to be pvdooring 7 weeks straight 600+ ppt oceanic time.
I have to admit that giving medals to effectively 50% of all the NA servers is a little odd. Plus what will the 4th league be called, without insulting them? My vote is for Iron League, give them some dignity.
WAIT, I got it. I hope this is what they do. Gold league; Tier 1 only. Silver can be 2-5, and bronze can be 6-8.
I know it’s cruel to bring tier 5 up, but YB, IoJ, and maybe NSP are pretty high powered for the lowest tiers.
We need that post today, the fate of world democracy depends on Luvpie not being distracted.
(sorry, only SoS members are allowed to understand that reference. Join our server to find out more)