Guild Wars 2

great video! well i also luv using that centaur rune with withdraw healing skill!

i ask you the same question… why no glory points exp. in PvE?

and if you’re using gain 2 initiative while using stealth you shud learn 4HS in black powder for perma stealth! and other thief tricks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUmrfBr1R5s

or you can watch my youtube channel and a troll HS spam at last part lol

if you’re calculation is correct! well it really needs a major buff! i tried this trait before but i didn’t like it seems like a useless Master trait. or they shud move this to adept trait.

and the only thing that makes Larcenous strikes high dmg is the http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Executioner

what? increase initiative price of infiltrator’s return 3-4? and also increase initiative cost of Larcenous 3-4? so by just initiating infiltrator’s strike 3init>flanking strike 3init>larcenous 3init = 9 and thief’s base initiative is only 12 or 15 when traited

if you’re running DPS build, youre fine with ruby orbs or scholar, ogre or centaur. i tried all of em but since i love using “Withdraw” healing skill i prefer centaur rune for perma swiftness and attack power for my D/P thief in WvW

lol i enjoyed watching your montage by just using #4 #4 reminds me of old school heartseeker just #2 #2 #2

i wanna see that 8k or 9k+ dmg in spvp! my highest crit % in PvE/WvW is 122% (with food) but in spvp 57% so thats why its possible to do that very high burst dmg in WvW have u seen eviscerate for 15- 16k? and 20k Dmg of warrior’s kill shot!?

Sensotix.4106:

i dont have to upload such a video just check the pax finale where lady nag nag nag pwns everything

well lady nag nag is a real threat hes really pro @ using his thief and just like how Helseth (mesmer) and Teldo (engineer) play they did a really great job in previous Gw2 invitational tournaments, PAX and Mist League tournaments! and imo Teldo(engie) is just Over rated!

entertaining! good video editing.

and mesmers can stealth like a boss! especially condition torch mesmers! Decoy, Veil, Mass invisibility, the Prestige and Desperate Decoy does Stealth and leave a clone of yourself behind at 25% health (grants stealth for 3 seconds regardless the effect of revealed)
and if you’re playing a tanky build (Power,toughness,Vit) u shud be ya tanky! but less or more likely very few critical damage done. and what the heck! this phantasm build (Power,toughness,vit) mesmers can still do alot of critical dmg done from their Phantasms with unlimited fury trait http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasm_Fury and take note this trait is only @ Adept Trait and ya you can do consecutive critical hits by just putting 10 points on precision trait GG

shaving off thief’s ONLY viable build for tPvP. look @ the OPness of survival rotation of mesmers and all their breakstun skills are really good! Decoy, Blink, distortion, blurred frenzy 12secs CD (invulnerable) sword #3 Swap (although not mentioned, this non utility skill is a breaks stun), and when you’re in trouble switch to Staff #2 phase retreat that teleports you away from your target 1,200 range 8secs CD (traited) to kite away+Chaos Storm and resetting fights and cooldowns

your 1.8k crit dmg with protection and tanky amulets is just fair if u have 30 critical strikes + 20% dmg from executioner trait and sword’s #1 attack speed is slow

my only complain some of stolen skill’s casting time are slow. stolen skill from engineers “throw gunk” slight damage can reveal u which is not good for stealth build and this skill is useless if you’re running a Non Condition Build. and not accurate when i throw it to a foe to atleast @ 500 or 600 distance above that distance it goes to random direction. and i cannot cancel the channeling cast of “whirling axe” there are some situation when i ran out of endurance and i really need to evade enemy burst using S/D flanking strike and when im running a condition build i don’t need this whirling axe really. so i wish by pressing escape i can cancel this whirling axe channeling animation

gj! very nice S/P montage in tpvp! when Anet see this another very good thief montage agian… they gonna nerf this thing again! cuz many Q_Q crying and complaining about the OPness of thieves? /shrug sigh…

Fahrenheit.7935:

Good job to Both Coloxeus and you. Saw the awsome duel video and i’m trying out the p/p confusion build right now(though it’ll get some getting used to). Its been a great help diversifying my options as a thief and I also saw that you took the time to answer every comment that was made.

On the otherhand, It’s actually quite amusing to find out that there will always be people to discredit you however good your intentions maybe. I was pleasantly surprised that you kept your cool on that one.

Anyways, keep up the good work.
We need more people like you

thank you for appreciating and positive feedbacks! just subscribe to my channel to keep updated . well i accept criticism and i appreciate em! it’s just i ignoring any act of discredit. waste of time replying and arguing with em talking non sense just like the previous comment here “spam more 5 and 2 skill! Zzzz..” LOL really haha

just like this?

i just back stabbed a naked rabbit for over 1m+!!

Maugetarr.6823:

Coloxeus.3480:

Warrior/guardian era will start october 15 payback!.. GG thieves will be @ bottom of food chain!

They sorta are already. I dont think wars or guards are particularly overpowered, but thieves are falling behind. Other than a couple of people still complaining how thieves can instagib them, the shift in complaints has gone from “they kill me and I can’t fight back” to “when thieves can’t kill me they run away too well” (its been a subtle shift in tone). I think this is partially l2p when it comes to wars,but well see once the Oct 15th patch hits and the sigil of paralyzation is changed along with dependable stability added for engineers (longer than 1 second). This may keep the warriors in check with the ample amount of soft/hard cc engineers can bring.

you’re right bro actually. Good thieves are OP vs scrubs or average players/ignorant about thief skills (no idea how to counter thieves) . . . but against high tier tpvp non ignorant players (r40+ ish to r60 pvpers) thieves will be @ bottom of food chain.

hell no! most developers playing mesmer and warrior why the heck they gonna nerf or balancing their favorite class!

Demonts.4593:

Every good build needs to be nerfed… Not just s/d thief. Basically every class has a build or builds that need nerfs.

i guess anet developers are unware about the OPness of spike fear necros with:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dhuumfire
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Terror
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Master_of_Terror
they can drop from 8k ish hp to 0 AOE in just couple of secounds if you don’t have breakstun or multiple remove conditions your dead! + condi damage/fear dmg ignores armor what the heck!

Incurafy.6329:

I experimented with S/D + SB and 30/0/0/20/20 and a Soldiers amulet with Zerker jewel or a full Zerker amulet and absolutely loved it, but then I learned about the ICD on Lyssa runes above and realised that my QV were really a waste of a utility slot if I wanted to use BV often. If you don’t use it more than once a minute, I think it’s viable, you hit like a truck and still have great crit chance with a Zerker amulet + Signet of Agility.

I also experimented with 30 CS instead and the Signet traits sync well with Infil + Agility signets, but I really missed Mug. I’ve tried dropping Executioner for Mug, but then I feel like I’m wasting points.

just keep trying different build good luck :d

Incurafy.6329:

I’ve been attempting to craft a similar build and I honestly see now why you chose 10/10, it’s really hard to justify giving up Mug, but the extra 10-20 points are very hard to place.

i tried 20 DA too i really didn’t like it… and fire,air, leeching sigil but fire sigil works for me almost all scenario… and when theyre harassing me and my shadow step is on cooldown i just using my 3rd skill shortbow +withdraw dodging away to escape they can’t even get me lol… only way that’s killing me is fear condi necros! and spike D/D thieves when im unaware they just gonna basilisk mug backstab me

Incurafy.6329:

Try Jumper’s build for the most evasive Thief build. Double S/D, 10/30/0/30/0, Quick Pockets and Energy sigils.

most evasive build ever is double shortbow troll build haha… iv tried it once they can’t caught me not even once and i can only do slight dmg to single targets but good AOE cluster bomb dmg

Sizzle Hint.1820:

basicly it’s 10 0 0 30 30 with a slight variation.

Go 30 into acro and run S/D S/D the 10 into CS are worthless. The extra ini you gain from weapon swap far outperforms the little crit chance and crit damage you get from the 10 into CS. Not to mention you have so much fury uptime in this build you really dont need the extra crit chance.

@jakare: Mug is very very strong if you trait 30 into trickery

i wanna try that but having a shortbow with extra damage from http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lead_Attacks is really good and in team clash for me i more prefer shortbow AOE poison AOE cluster bomb.

try jumper’s build… and ya conditions is the main problem for s/d but u can deal with it by using shadow return remove 1 condition. or signet of agility. watch my gameplay, please do watch @ 720p

i haven’t tried other sigils but i wanna try em later. basilisk venom recharge i dnt think i need it that much… cuz 30 – 40% of the time im using shortbow

Nerf all you can! still i’ll keep trying new build cuz i love this thief profession!

Preparing for another Larcenous Strike Nerf which only allows to steal 1 boon and this build can provide Good Team Support cuz when i use steal it grants nearby allies Fury, Might, Swiftness for 10secs + 15secs vigor and up to two boons are also ripped from your target and granted to nearby allies (all 300 radius) + another 10secs Vigor when i use healing skill (Unlimited Vigor)! and damage won’t be an issue http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lead_Attacks

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vigorous_Recovery
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Thrill_of_the_Crime
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bountiful_Theft
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sleight_of_Hand

BUILD:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAsYVlYmiO3eS4E/JFxWhd69gsj1saFoZnCuaVA-TsAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNKYFyMEA

Warrior/guardian era will start october 15 payback!.. GG thieves will be @ bottom of food chain!

no because of this

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/68751/1367433923196.gif

http://i.minus.com/iw8rMxBrcErRo.gif

http://i.minus.com/iw8rMxBrcErRo.gif

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/68751/1367433923196.gif

4,116 armor

Steelo.4597:

4116 armor on that warrior in the video? hard to believe. also what kind of bunker build inflicts vulnerability running a condi setup? what is his exact build? i think he made some bad choices in the build so this video doesnt represent a good banner bunker spec, nvm his skill level.

Ya i gonna post my screen shot later after my work he really has 4.1k armor! And insane perma heal!!

Meta Banner Bunker Condi Warr!

this will also avoid s/d players to do unnecessary spamming their FS>Larcenous…

to make this balance..
Larcenous strike (2 initiavie)
Stab your foe and steal 1 boon (retain 1 inititive on hit)

- so if i were the thief i wanna make sure my larcenous will hit 100% and i won’t gonna spam 33 unnecessarily and wasting my initiative… cuz i always gonna think. i shud or i must hit my larcenous so need to think twice before using it

i agree on this ranger’s stealth reveal i think they deserve a buff ! and wow the only class that can to stealth reveal how cool is that…. im a thief user but this is just fine.

i’m glad this thread is now getting morethan 2.2k views lol

i use superior rune of centaur (withdraw healing skill) on my D/P and shortbow in wvw…. sometimes double S/D Lyssa rune

Tonikor.5637:

The mini-heartseeker are not worth doing.

Losing awareness of your enemy’s location during a fight just for one extra heartseeker is NOT worth it.

He probably would have won more duels if he didn’t do it.

I’ve met all sorts of “perplexors”, from the s/p asuras with the ranged daze and 30 trickery to the p/d+d/p stealth spammers that also add bleeds and torment to the mix (hardest so far). Not one of them won though.

Beating perplexity thieves is easy, especially as a condi-removing-superhero-30SA-d/p.
All you need is constant pressure, knowing where the other thief is by not moving ur camera to show only yourself while you spam mini heart seekers is a start. One tip: Shadowshot.

- i always want to land my shadow shot with perfect backstab i dnt want to waste my 4 initiative without landing my backstab

- i do 4HS in BP when he goes invi or shadow refuge i just want to outlast his invisible duration

- a real good/skillfull player doesn’t want to prove to anyone or in this particular forum that hes better to this or that guy. if you are really that great player.. prove yourself in a good way

i run perma swiftness with my Superior rune of centaur + withdraw healing skill… +165 attack power.

P/D D/D Condi. easiest thief build to play but the effectiveness is really good in sPvP. just land your Cloak and dagger at right moment. . . check the video description for build.

jumper’s Double S/D this explains everything. http://intothemists.com/guides/250-sd_the_flanking_acrobat#comments

Doggie.3184:

AikijinX.6258:

Doggie.3184:

AikijinX.6258:

Doggie.3184:

How do you do those mini heartseekers in BP? .-.

Coloxeus does the Mini HS as you say. By zooming into his camera, and loking towards the ground, then heartseeker threw BP, as soon as you’re in HS animation turn your camera, and repeat.

Ah, I see! I been using D/P all this time without knowing how to do this exploit. I feel like a noob now. Time to be a kitten in wvw.

Haha it’s not easy by any means. Lol, but good luck

All I had to do is know where to move my camera. Feels easy to me. This on top of already being amazing and sexy with D/P without this tactics only makes me stronger.

please do watch the art of thievery, cheating, technique, skills, exploiting or whatever other ppl calling it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUmrfBr1R5s

HS spam + quickness haste ! GG!

UrMom.4205:

Coloxeus.3480:

Void.4239:

Marduh.4603:

Permastealth vs Permaconfusion.
Exploit vs Exploit.
Certainly interesting to see. But normal people just run past.

so true

this video is a nice example of 2 things that dont belong in pvp.

-1) first of perplexity is to strong atm. ( and its never gone get into spvp seeing they are trying to nerf condition meta …., )

-2) CLEARLY shows what is wrong with BP/HS combo. ( trait should change to : get 2 ini when you enter stealth by using a skill, not when you already in stealth)

CLEARLY shows BP+4HS really takes skill… very very few can do this stuff though, another Nerf for thief? ah i don’t think so… better Nerf the player’s skill

I’ll agree with this. I can get off three HS’s but 4 is a bit tough…however doing all this in WvW watching for enemies and everything is tough too. The amount of micro managing it requires to keep the stealth up is tough.

initiative managing, this “Signet Use” trait saves me alot when i messing up my initiatives while doing BP+HS i gonna use Signet of power instant +2 initiative and rdy for burst

+120 condition dmg
30 secs cooldown
when use, burn nearby foe for 4secs (300 radius)
OR when use, Burn targeted foe for 4secs (600 range)