Like I said before. Everyone is insisting on going glass cannon. I have 21K HP and over 2500 armor. I don’t even have to stunbreak but I still slot one. I eat Glass Cannon thieves, they are my favorite to kill.
I agree with you stiv, I dont want a tanky Ranger… Id rather have a tanky warrior, I try to counter thieves with traps. It works well sometimes. And its hard to think of an elementalist as a tank build.
People forget this MMO is different from others in that you can build each class as you want them, and that there are no dedicated healers. (I used to play EQ2)
Rangers in my humble opinion have the shortest end of the stick. I was looking forward to some good ranger buffs this last patch but oh well :/
If anyone has a right to complain about balance it’s rangers in general as I feel they are weak. Their burst builds aren’t as bursty as others and their tanky builds aren’t as tanky.
Honest question. How should rangers deal with Thieves? At best, I can entangle and run away, but that sucks.
That is a Ranger issue not a thief issue. Let’s nerf thieves down so a crappy class like ranger can kill them is not a good idea. Ranger needs serious work on pet. And when pets actually are viable rangers are going to be overpowered.
Did I ever say nerf thieves because rangers suck? Read again.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I still am kind of baffled this discussion is going on now that the dungeon is out. You can complete up to level 10 in the dungeon without ever seeing Agony or any reason to have Ascended gear. Period. What content is gated? You’ve seen the content. 10 TIMES. Nothing exists for someone who has all exotics vs. someone who has Ascended.
The only legitimate concern I can see here is that it’ll have an adverse (albeit miniscule) effect on WvW, and they’ve already said there will be ways to get it through WvW. How is this even a discussion anymore? We have yet to know whether they will add more tiers (in which case there’s reason to worry since there’s no more time investment gap between Legendaries/Exotics). The only thing they’ve done is keep quiet about whether or not there will be new tiers, likely because of a kittentorm like this one. I’d be paranoid to say anything is out of the question too when I know that there will be a flock of angry forumgoers to man the flame cannons if something goes not according to plan. I’d be extremely surprised to know that there are more tiers beyond Ascended but would be happy to eat my words if there ever is one.
Do the math. First, it’s just the beginning. Second the pieces are at least 20% better than exotics. how on earth is that miniscule? LOL
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Maybe he just doesn’t want to read a thread full of whiners anymore. Honestly, this community is worse then WoW’s community, which makes me shudder just typing it.
You all need to calm the hell down and stop freaking out. For a group of people who don’t want to have to do content to get better gear, you sure are acting like you NEED to get this gear when you really don’t.
lol so if the increases are so trivial, how about they just remove them? Sorry if you know anything about wvw, you’d realize your error.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Dude your over reacting on the Ascended gear part there is only 2 pieces (3 if you count 2 rings). I bet you i could still kick your kitten even if you had Ascended gear while i am wearing my full exotic gear. The stat boast isnt that high to be a concern. Learn to play your class and you can kill people who are lvl80 with full exotics even if your not lvl80. Skill > Gear. SO if you dont have skill stop whinning about the gear.
lol. these are the first of many. it’s in their blog. these are at least +20% better than exotics. please try to understand some math.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Why are people so overly concerned with the introduction of this new gear tier?
If you dont wan’t to do it (obtain, gather etc.) then don’t, simple. Or is it because you know you will do it but could not be bothered with another task?
If the latter is the case then why bother with it?
See, its a loop.
There are lots of tasks/goals/achievements to do in this game. All of which require “grinding” to complete. This new ‘Ascended’ gear tier is no different.
The point is, people are drawn towards completing stuff but hate to put in the effort – well tough luck my friend(s). The higher the reward the more effort needs to be put in.
I don’t see anything wrong with the introduction of the Ascended gear. Its not demoralising, however, what it does is add more content and cater for those who want to use it.
:)
Lol. to compete in wvwvw this gear is a must. don’t try to pretend otherwise.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
And why do you think they introduced this? Because before the forums explode because wasn’t enough stuff to do in PvE.
You don’t want that gear, then don’t go for it, its not like you need it. I understand your frustration, but its players that made Anet take this decision, if people didn’t want this Anet would not introduce it to the game.
I don’t remember any forum explosion. A minority of ex-wow grinders complained. the rest enjoyed the game as it is. I certainly never remember a 200+ page thread on no end game, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
you all need to stop QQ about thfs as they are getting owned in wvw now as all the GOOD players know how to kill them too bloody easy they all have the odd rotastion for them and find them a good but winable fight.. you will only find 1 of each realm on each map now roaming solo but these are the most skilled of them and they still loose half there duels only + side is they can pick there fights and yes they will go for the lower lvls. But i think they will get nerfed soon as prom players of each class are starting to roam solo and are takeing more on than a thf ever could and kill allot quicker, like big burst war that burns people down before they blink the dps gaurden that does hit run kite then hit back and uses this tactic to kill a hole group!!
me a mes and gaurd killed a zerg with it. and ofc lets not forget the pro dagger dagger kite speced ele that can kill thfs without takeing dmg its just to op for diffrence… and ofc the roaming mesmer you get one on each map the pro guy who can take on 5+.. but people dont care about these specs or even bother to look it up why they lost so easy.. but if it was a thf the pro solo guy dont matter if he has masterd his class even has a note book with every class spec rotation or w/e but wont matter if he wins and uses a stealth thats it you QQ
thfs are underpowerd but people aint noticeing and i really beleive that its not a troll
when roaming on my necro lvl 40 o killed a thf before he come out of stealth with my dots, on my war roaming close to 80 not i rooted him pounced and burnt him down really quik took me seconds felt bad. my thfs my main and yes its always going to be a thf that defends one… but if you played one you will understand im a great thf i think because im vain that i am one of the best.. but i have stop roaming solo before it was easy people didnt know my class well at launch as we was underplayed and no1 wanted to be one… so i found people easy to kill but now no i do not!! every dfuel i come across i loose or just win if they not a pants player. because of spvp everyone has learnt to play the class and has learn a counter spec on there main that is just super op towards thfs that it has made us underpowerd… we cant take on groups no more as all should have atleast 1 root in there utilitys and they rotate them and theres always 1 con speced that even if i run i end up dead down the road… anyways this is getting long!!
but my point is stop cry on forums and as your guilds class leader of your class how to beat them, and once you start to own them you can post a QQ of a diffrent class who killed you to easy in wvw and start to notice them
Lol. thieves are not underpowered. That’s ridiculous. the culling issue favors them right now, and I don’t think they need nerfs, but they are definitely not underpowered.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Does anyone know which level 1 fractal has Ice Wurms, Polar Bears, Icebrood WOlves and Alpine Skelks? I want to grind for vicious fangs and a chance to get the essence drop. thanks.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Like I said before. Everyone is insisting on going glass cannon. I have 21K HP and over 2500 armor. I don’t even have to stunbreak but I still slot one. I eat Glass Cannon thieves, they are my favorite to kill.
I agree with you stiv, I dont want a tanky Ranger… Id rather have a tanky warrior, I try to counter thieves with traps. It works well sometimes. And its hard to think of an elementalist as a tank build.
People forget this MMO is different from others in that you can build each class as you want them, and that there are no dedicated healers. (I used to play EQ2)
Rangers in my humble opinion have the shortest end of the stick. I was looking forward to some good ranger buffs this last patch but oh well :/
If anyone has a right to complain about balance it’s rangers in general as I feel they are weak. Their burst builds aren’t as bursty as others and their tanky builds aren’t as tanky.
Honest question. How should rangers deal with Thieves? At best, I can entangle and run away, but that sucks.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
just fix the culling problem. barring that, adjust stealth to compensate for the culling problem. thieves on their own aren’t the issue. If they spec for permastealth they are a minor annoyance. the dps specced ones are getting a lot of help from the culling issues.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Not literally forced, but unless we keep up with the JOneses in WvWvW and not get curb stomped, then indirectly, I am being forced.
Are you forced to grind for gold to buy siege weapons in WvW to keep up with those that do? Were you forced to server hop, when you could, to grind the jumping puzzle for blueprints like other servers were doing? Are you forced to grind up influence for your guild to keep up constant WvW buffs because the “Joneses” might be in guilds that do?
What about grinding commendations for WvW gear that has stats which can only be found there and with dungeon tokens, do you have a full set of that like the Joneses?
Of all the things that would have an actual impact in wvw, you say you are being forced to grind for items that mean next to jack and nothing when running around with a zerg or sitting on a tower wall.
Some of you people are seriously like the Risen of the forums. Having a very single minded, narrow perspective on things with no regard to anything else in the system. “Gear…bad….”, “Essence…die”, “Trolls come”.
Some of you had to have realized by this point that its not as bad as everyone was hyping it up to be and are just clinging on as a matter of pride. Let it go.
The difference you fail to comprehend is that some of us love wvwvw and hate dungeons. Why should we have to grind dungeons to compete. who are you to tell me what is or isn’t necessary for wvwvw? Lastly, speak for yourself, but not all of us sit in towers or zerg, lol.
All I am asking for is an opportunity to get the same gear, which is currently +20% vs exotics, through wvwvw. WHy do you care unless you want the dungeon grinders to be able to lord it over the rest of us?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The drop rates are better when you’re not playing at the first tier (1-10)
swell so I am forced to grind to get better drop rates.? This patch just gets better and better.
You’re not forced to do anything,arena still isnt pointing a gun to your head forcing you to grind,if you dont want to then simply dont do it,because its obviously not for you.
Not literally forced, but unless we keep up with the JOneses in WvWvW and not get curb stomped, then indirectly, I am being forced.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Swell. So to get the superior back items (much much better than current exotics), I must grind dungeons. man, this sucks.
Columba!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hi
Lol. Hello. Someone found a way to deal with this nonsense. go solo the swampland fractal. farm the spiders, fire flies and the mosquitoes. the latter two don’t aggro. RUn from moss man who de aggroes pretty quickly. equip magic find gear up to 125%. took me 5 hours. others have done it in an hour or so.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I find it rather funny that people whine and moan about hitting 80 and not having anything to do, no gear progression, no progressive dungeons, etc. So ArenaNet decides to add ONE DUNGEON for these people that wanted to pursue that, and now people piss and moan that they added content for a group of people that were lacking that content. What’s even funnier is the fact that the people complaining act like the other 99% of the game no longer exists because of one dungeon.
Get over it people. It’s one dungeon. There are plenty of groups you can get into to do it without being on dungeon level 7+. Tons. I stand in Lion’s arch for 10 minutes and I see 20+ calls for LFG Level 1-3.
Lastly, you act like there won’t be other methods for acquiring Ascended gear. If I know ArenaNet, there is never just ‘one way’ to accomplish goals in GW2. While FotM might be the only way to get Ascended gear currently, I have faith that it will be expanded upon and new methods will be introduced as time progresses. For example, mystic forge, random chests, events, renown, etc.
The dungeon literally JUST came out. Stop having a panic attack and give things time to settle before you start screaming the sky is falling.
Oh, and btw? Did you check stats on Ascended gear? It’s not that big of a gap to complain about. +2 over the stats of an 80 exotic? Not to mention that infusion ONLY effects Agony, so it’s not like it’s some super powerful godly item with ultimate usefulness UNLESS you are fighting against enemies that cause agony.
I never complained, and the new gear is at least +20% better than current. do the may.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Wow it keeps getting better… I just found out that because I couldn’t log in 7 hours ago for the final event, I missed out on a free, one-time uber accessory which will cost 1000 shells or about 20 gold (based on current trading post prices) otherwise.
So now, you not only have to be a “dedicated player” running FotM 24×7, you need to log in at specific times too? Seriously… what the hell happened.
Wow. Just wow, I have no words anymore for the amount of fail I’m seeing from this company.
The over-reaction to this gear is hilarious. The stat difference between Exotics and Ascended is pretty darn small and will make next to no difference in regards to WvW or content already released.
The big thing here is the Infusion Slots, which are not so much gear progression as they are an additional mechanic being implemented into PvE. While these can act as a gear gate, it seems that Anet realizes that Ascended gear need to come from all types of gameplay in order to avoid the “gear-treadmill”.
The difference is 20+%!!!! not small, lol. if it’s so “small” why have it at all? lol
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
“Normal” players? As in, everyone who isn’t like me is one of those evil Others that should get out of MY community?
Gamers might play computer games more than you personally like, but that doesn’t mean they are any more aberrant or mal-adjusted than someone who plays a lot of golf, or watches a lot of television.
I think the hostility that arises from this casual/hardcore divide is poisonous to any community. Casual players should be welcome to come and go as they please without being criticised as lacking in either commitment or skill just because they don’t play quite as much. More invested “hardcore” players should not be criticised for enjoying the activity that we’re all here for, or for having no ‘real’ lives.
well the hard core elite brought this on by demanding grinds and by dismissing concerns.,
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Sadly, if you can’t grind often, this game isn’t for you.
They should have told me that before i bought it, not lying to us. There are other game with are better if grinding is all you do.
I encourage you to get a refund. It is very easy to get one on the grounds that the game is not what was advertised at the time of purchase.
u are a big hater i can see it from your sign too..
btw i dont think there is nothing to complain here, it is still full of ppl needing the first lvls of fractals and this is just a normal progressing line NOT dependant from gear, just the lvl where u arrived.
it’s just more difficult now to find party cause it’s a new thing. but it is harder if u lvl up in difficulty (way harder).
about the “i cant see al content” i cant understand this statement.. i mean u can see the same fractals at lvl 1 or lvl 20, it is just a change in difficulty. do u want a game where good players or players that have more time cannot progress further or have nothing to do?
having more time to grind doesn’t make anyone good. Yes, I don’t really care if they lack the imagination to find things to do beyond exotics.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It doesn’t seem that GW2 is the money making machine NCSoft and Nexon expected, and they seem to be trying to revamp the allure. I think the direction is a wrong one. There could be other ways to do this without compromising the manifesto, but the higher ups might still be obsessed in seeing WoW cloning as a path to greater success.
I’m really sorry for the ArenaNet staff who dedicated so much of their time and passion into making the new evolution of MMOs, and now having to conform to a distortion of that vision. As the higher ups get desperate for results, I expect more distortions to come about.
I’m just a player who came along because of ArenaNet’s original vision. Thank you ArenaNet, for the overall positive work you’ve done up to this moment. This recent patch produced a fundamental change that I don’t agree with and will therefore stop spending money and time with GW2.
I hope for better days.
so a kid with 9 years of experience after college came in and told seasoned people what to do. a 30 year old kid upends the game entirely. nice.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I’m still hoping that they will read our feedback and rethink their stance on ascended gear. I wouldn’t even mind if they kept the rings and the back pieces which are already in the game. Since there are no exotic back pieces, as far as I know, the ascended pieces wouldn’t be much of a game breaking issue. The rings probably wouldn’t make much difference either.
But adding ascended weapons and armor is the absolute wrong way to go. Especially with how depended on the RNG this whole thing is.
actually the ascended gear does not rely on RNG at all, atleast not to the extent of the legendary precursors
the essence required for the backpack is 100% rng. I’ve been farming in there for 4 hours with +125% magic find. no luck.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
lol. what we have here is a failure to communicate. read carefully. all other things being equal -traits, etc (everyone gets those), the gear gives significantly better stats. stats matter esp in small scale wvwvw. I should be able to get those stats by doing things other than dungeon grinds.
How is that a failure in communication. People wanted to have gear adventage in wvw. And now they have.
through forced pve gear grinds….lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The people that picked up the game blindly without researching it at all want gear progression. Whatever will tide them over until the next WoW patch or FF14 or whatever comes out next.
The GW1 fans and the crowd of people that don’t want to play another version of WoW (people who have been following the game for years) did not want this. And we would have been way more vocal earlier if we had -any- reason to expect that this could possibly get dropped on us out of the blue.
But with ascended gear idea both sides are satisfied. Content locusts will farm fractals while everyone else will work on their exotics. Isn’t that a beautiful design?
exotics aren’t nearly as good as the ascended. why bother to work on exotics now?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Gonna play a white knight’s role this time. You don’t have to do those dungeons. You have plenty of other content to do. They might be a little deserted but you can always bring your friends/guildies! That’s the beauty of the game without a necessary grind and whole game being the endgame.
lol. no, unless you want to get stomped in wvwvw, this is mandatory. sorry.
Stomped? Ascended gear is slightly more powerful, won’t make you pew pew others in zvz (zerg vs zerg).
lol +20% better is hardly what I’d consider slightly more powerful, and this is just the beginning of the treadmill. some of us don’t run with zergs either.
I like how that percent keeps changing… first it was 8% better then in another thread it was 40% better now according to you its 20% better lol.
You don’t have a clue to be perfectly honest…. no one does theres so much crap flying around right now facts are merely opinions.
To OP:
Start your own group. Theres plenty of people.
If you can’t start your own group…. well what do you expect.
Its the same thing with other dungeons in this game LF2M Arah. Applys for group Poster whispers have you run it before?
Uh no first time.
Sorry I don’t want to take someone new through.
But people want to believe the new content is the ultimate evil and these things weren’t already present in game. Blame the players.
It’s not my problem that Anet didn’t release the details. people have done the math. the items range in superiority. facts are facts, sorry to rain on your parade
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
lol. what we have here is a failure to communicate. read carefully. all other things being equal -traits, etc (everyone gets those), the gear gives significantly better stats. stats matter esp in small scale wvwvw. I should be able to get those stats by doing things other than dungeon grinds.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Gonna play a white knight’s role this time. You don’t have to do those dungeons. You have plenty of other content to do. They might be a little deserted but you can always bring your friends/guildies! That’s the beauty of the game without a necessary grind and whole game being the endgame.
lol. no, unless you want to get stomped in wvwvw, this is mandatory. sorry.
Stomped? Ascended gear is slightly more powerful, won’t make you pew pew others in zvz (zerg vs zerg).
lol +20% better is hardly what I’d consider slightly more powerful, and this is just the beginning of the treadmill. some of us don’t run with zergs either.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
All this outrage and whining is depressing and ridiculous. The sky is falling! I hate dungeons! Why won’t Anet keep me appraised of their every intention!? Everyone should be identical!!!!
At this point, for all you know the tokens and karma from WvW could make ascended gear perfectly accessible without ever set foot in PvE (god forbid). How about we wait a little bit before getting our panties in a bunch and sharpening our pitchforks?
And you know what else? The advantage of being a skilled player dwarfs any advantage from armor. I’m not worried. I’ll battle in any armor.
Chin up lads.
- Rockrain, FA
so why is the wow crowd getting them first? Why not launch with the ability to get in wvwvw from day one. WHy are we second class citizens?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Gonna play a white knight’s role this time. You don’t have to do those dungeons. You have plenty of other content to do. They might be a little deserted but you can always bring your friends/guildies! That’s the beauty of the game without a necessary grind and whole game being the endgame.
lol. no, unless you want to get stomped in wvwvw, this is mandatory. sorry.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Not the whole fractal but the mobs I’m talking about can be soloed. They aren’t elite or veteran or anything like that.
Just make sure you reenter until you get to the swamp zone. I don’t remember the name but it’ll be a swamp and the NPC voice will say something about hating swamps.
it’s called swampland and the mobs are on the perimeter where the quests start. thanks a bunch for this. I only have 30% magic find food so I hope it works.
swampman pops up, just run him off. watch for traps – bear traps and sticks with wire.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
the +5 vitality will not make or break your character, and the agony resistance is useless outside of FotM since agony is not found anywhere else. Most of these infusions follow this pattern of +5 X state, +5 agnoy resistance.
so clearly more than 9% and it’s just the beginning. 9% is not trivial.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
before it was easy people didnt know my class well at launch as we was underplayed and no1 wanted to be one… so i found people easy to kill but now no i do not!! every dfuel i come across i loose or just win if they not a pants player. because of spvp everyone has learnt to play the class and has learn a counter spec on there main that is just super op towards thfs that it has made us underpowerd… we cant take on groups no more as all should have atleast 1 root in there utilitys and they rotate them and theres always 1 con speced that even if i run i end up dead down the road… anyways this is getting long!!