only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Man that additional 30 points in stats I get in total from infusion and gear related nonsense sure turned the tide while I was button mashing my keyboard with my face. (note the sarcasm)
you mean the 20-30% higher stat totals? clearly not an advantage! It’s also pretty funny that people still claim that trials of atlantis didn’t affect rvr, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
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“Thanks for leaving”, “QQ more”, “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out” – such respectful and well-considered remarks in response to someone voicing an opinion or concern. I love a great community.
What does one do about the flood of tears coming from gear you don’t have to get to be usefull in other settings.
Check your math. Mandatory to compete in WvWvW
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
so why play this game vs. WoW at this point. WoW has everything this does now, and better quality. Seriously, how is this game differentiated vs wow now?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I enjoyed GW2 very much recreationally, but I stopped playing a while ago awhile at lvl 25 for some reasons:
1. All my friends said the end-game is non-existant. Thats not neccessarily bad – but it didnt meet their expectations.
2. I didnt rly enjoy the pvp…was too confusing and I got overwhelmed with a lot of concepts in the game (like crafting for example)
Now I decided to give it a try again and I see a lot of people are complaining about the new patch. I’m curious, why is that, what has changed so substantionally ?
Casual ppl like you like their games simple, gw2 just got a little bit more involved, so carebears cry that they don’t get all their shiny toys at level 1 with no work. They think level cap should equal a ceiling on how powerful your character can get.
Others feel that they want their characters to grow in power past level 80, and that it gives the game longevity. Which in my opinion is correct. Level 80 is a boring place without progression. But some ppl want instant gratification without any work put in, and they fail to see the long term flaw with that design.
way to be condescending. Casuals like us have full time jobs and prefer to fight players not mobs.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I loved DAoC, and from the start have seen how similar GW2 is, I love it! I am personally glad GW2 has grown from GW1, no gear progression means, hit max level and stop playing your level 80 toon. Gear progression means, you get to keep playing your main, and that is a good thing IMO.
Depends on how long an attention span you have. I can see yours is relatively short since you think hitting max level ended the game before this change. This just puts the carrot a little further out in front of you is all.
I personally do not equate seeing bigger numbers with progress and I would garner no satisfaction out of defeating someone I had a 15% gear advantage over either.
edit: Your use of commas borders on criminal. Please stop using them.
What do you want? To hit 80 and have nothing to do? You want to eat the carrot on the stick as soon as you roll your toon?! People like to feel like their character continues to grow past level cap, it’s called end game.
If you don’t like progression and time sink, MMO’s are clearly not for you.And for the record, I’m not from WOW, in fact, I think WOW killed mmo’s.
Go ahead and have a hissy fit and leave because of some minor issue, you’ll be back. As far as MMO’s on the market today, this one is the best. Sure you can go play your personal niche’ MMO, but face it, you’d be lucky to find ppl still playing them.
yes, hit 80 and go wvwvw to my heart’s content and create alts, not be forced to grind some dungeon to compete. get it now?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
You don’t really need Ascendant gear to have fun in PvE and and PvP. Acendant Gear is made more for the Fractals of the Mists.
In Fractals of the Mists you will be given a condition for not having any infusion gear called “Agony” where if you don’t have infusion then you’ll lose HP but if you have enough Infusion you’ll lose less HP.
Serious I remember the countless post of demanding a real endgame dungeon and some kind of gear worth grinding for before this who thing was announced it basically almost started a fourm war but now they given what what those hundreds of countless post demanded it back to ah we never wanted this.
Seriously when will you people learn there is no such thing as a Perfect MMO and a MMO will never satisfy everyone and every desire you want down to the nick and cranny of your abyss of darkness.
You need it to compete in wvwvw. sorry.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
not 20% increase in stats? many have shown otherwise.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
yes I do. Trials of Atlantis was the beginning of the end, and this ascendant dungeon nonsense is worse.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.
Time to wake up buddy.
Getting to 80 was a grind.
Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.
I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?
Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.
Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for meDid you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.
The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.
Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?
“big disadvantage” in WvWvW? Is 2 rings and a back, what reportedly is just a few stat points difference, max right now.
How bad are you that you have a big disadvantage because of a few stats points?
You know, you could use a consumable or two and more than make up for your woeful performance.
Use your wealth from WvW to buy yourself the power you need to equalize the disadvantage.
Do the math, pal. It’s a 10-30% advantage. It’s not trivial. Everyone has consumables, so that’s irrelevant . Nice personal attack.
lol, apparently you are terrible at mathematics. Don’t worry, I am too. But I saw someone do the math breakdown.
The reason for the ambiguity is the lower number is rough magic find math per-stat values, while the upper number is more consistent with a 40% increase on the ring and a 60% on the gem (which is approximately the stat split on various quality rings and gems). When we compare this potential ring versus the current exotic status quo, we get an ~8.9% increase. Due to not knowing exactly how magic find breaks down, I think it’s safe to call this a half-tier (two-thirds tier?), which should be a ~6.5-8.5% increase.
(5 more power / 63 power in exotics = 7.937% increase) minuscule when you take into account your total stats. Keep in mind that a single stack of MIGHT gives you 35 power, and I barely even notice it. These numbers are so anaemic of an increase that this whole thing is becoming a laughable charade. The Infusion slots are for stacking resistances to and power against the dungeon specific mechanics.
An ele with all healing power with the exception of runes will heal for ~2700 with this skill. And 8% of this number is 216. A SMALL number, none-the-less, it’s still an increase. But will that save you? The lowest base health on ANY character is 10,000 life (ele, guardian, thief). You can see how tiny that is… to heal 2% more of a player life is insignificant. And that is the base life of the lowest classes. Try scaling it with the base life of 20,000 (warrior, necro, engi). That’s 1%! A meaningless number. Power to damage scales a LOT worse than healing power and does not have a constant value.
TL:DR; Your total dps and armor will increase LESS THAN 1%.
Took math through differential equations. Hardly terrible. Others have run the math and shared their details. It’s not even close to 1%. It’s at least 8%, in some cases over 20%
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
3 points or 12% is just a different way of saying the same thing
14% is more correct. I believe the exact number that was figured was something like 13.8% if memory serves, but that is just spling hairs.
The difference is, your +3 is just plain wrong Reggy my friend. The example item shown in the announcement itself had +5 power, +5 precion, and +3% magic find. It also had an empty slot to fill with an infusion, and we’ve found that infusions (fine grade) add another 5 to a stat. For a total of +15, and +3%.
After finding more examples than the initial one in the release, we’ve learned that the typical spread is +7, +5, +5, and the extra +5 from a fine infusion. For a total of +22… and that is per item.
+22… +3… hrm, yeah… how are those the same?
Not to ruin your math but does this consider empty upgrade slots for armors/weapons?
Your question is irrelevant in the way you ask it. But to answer the question I think you are trying to ask, yes, it accounts for the total difference in stats possible, not just the difference of an empty exotic vs empty ascended.
An upgraded Exotic ring with an exotic jewel will have 22 less stats than an Ascended ring with a fine infusion.
Ok so lets go from here. Assuming what you say is true then its a bigger stat upgrade. This stat upgrade is only necessary for 1 dungeon. Once again I still don’t see what all the complaints are about.
Because it infact isent for just that dungeon. Anyone wanting to be competitive in wvw has to have this gear or be at a disadvantage.
Wrong. You do not NEED this gear for WvWvW, if anything you WANT it. And in that way Arena Net has succeded.
Simply untrue and inaccurate. 20%+ improvements are needed to compete.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
“Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.”
O.o
Dear god, the community’s collective intelligence must have flatlined after the WoW locusts returned.
Do I really have to tell you why this is really a bad statement?
This game should not be a JOB. T6 mats are goign to skyrocket. These people probably bought gold (and considering how conditioned they are to it in WoW I doubt from ANet’s gem store), the dungeons are 50% boring, and this is going against ANet’s do anything (WvW sPvP real PvE dungeons) philosophy.
So wrong, so many levels.
Agreed. So I am forced to endure misery to compete in WvWvW now? Isn’t this the opposite of their promise to us?
You’re not forced. Even more, you’ll compete just as well in WvW if you don’t endure misery.
WvW is not like pvp in GW2. Your build, your gear really doesn’t contribute very much to the whole endeavor. A few stat points isn’t going to matter a lick. And if you’re the kind of player who needs every point he can get, you’re still gonna suck no matter what.
Relax and trust that by the time ascended gear gets past 3 accessory slots, by the time it makes a statistically-discernible difference, there’ll be a bunch of ways you can get that gear.
Who are you to tell me what I need in wvwvw? You don’t even know how I play. They aren’t a few stat points. it’s 20%+ improvement. Why should wvwvw players be pushed to the back of the bus for this new content? Why are you against wvwvw players getting equal treatment?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
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I can’t believe a thief is calling for nerfs, lol. You have perma stealth god mode and the highest dps in game.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.
Anet : “The only way to mitigate Agony damage is by building up resistance through Infusions.”
We can’t use exotics to do this. So, unless we join the treadmill we can’t enjoy challenging new content. Not much room for choice there.
Honey, if you want to enjoy the new content, you’ll get the infusion gear, while enjoying challenging new content.
Are you implying it is easy to get and doesn’t need to be run repeatedly?
I’m saying if you do the process of enjoying the new content, the gear you need for it will happen as a side-effect.
Sorta like how you don’t need to grind karma. I never have, yet have 2 sets of karma armor. Just go play, have fun, and it piles up, almost by accident.
Same thing with infusions. Play the game. Enjoy new content as it comes each month. Trust in the system that you’ll have what you need, just the same as getting exotic gear. You can buy it if you’re that sort of person. Or you can just play and it comes along.
I hate the new content, so there’s no enjoying it. Yet I have no other choice to get the 20%+ improved gear necessary for WvWvW, why can’t people get this?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The far future is completely unacceptable to me.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I am forced to grind dungeons I hate to get the 20% gear I need to enjoy WvWvW. Simple..
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
“Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.”
O.o
Dear god, the community’s collective intelligence must have flatlined after the WoW locusts returned.
Do I really have to tell you why this is really a bad statement?
This game should not be a JOB. T6 mats are goign to skyrocket. These people probably bought gold (and considering how conditioned they are to it in WoW I doubt from ANet’s gem store), the dungeons are 50% boring, and this is going against ANet’s do anything (WvW sPvP real PvE dungeons) philosophy.
So wrong, so many levels.
Agreed. So I am forced to endure misery to compete in WvWvW now? Isn’t this the opposite of their promise to us?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.
Time to wake up buddy.
Getting to 80 was a grind.
Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.
I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?
Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.
Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for meDid you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.
The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.
Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?
Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.
Lol what? Hw many days of doing stuff I hate? Why is that fun?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.
Time to wake up buddy.
Getting to 80 was a grind.
Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.
I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?
Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.
Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for meDid you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.
The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.
Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?
“big disadvantage” in WvWvW? Is 2 rings and a back, what reportedly is just a few stat points difference, max right now.
How bad are you that you have a big disadvantage because of a few stats points?
You know, you could use a consumable or two and more than make up for your woeful performance.
Use your wealth from WvW to buy yourself the power you need to equalize the disadvantage.
Do the math, pal. It’s a 10-30% advantage. It’s not trivial. Everyone has consumables, so that’s irrelevant . Nice personal attack.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Same goofy mechanics in all 3 dungeons: swarms of veteran mobs, or some god mode mob that one shots you. How is this fun?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.
Time to wake up buddy.
Getting to 80 was a grind.
Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.
I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?
Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.
Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for meDid you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.
The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.
Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Well, after have attended the one time event, i have to say i am not so impressed. The one time event should be something that stays in the memory of the players. The only thing that stayed in my memory was Lag,Lag and more Lag. After have participate the event in Lions Arch, i went to see the new dungeon. I must admit the new dungeon is quite interesting but it´s not something for me. I played it 1 or 2 times but that was it. After that went and played WvWvW.
The only thing that i find depressing is the fact that the ascended gear will be available only as a possible reward from Dungeon. So, i am been forced to repeat the dungeon many times in order to enjoy the new gear, since my exotic after introducing this new tier is obsolete.
Please Anet, at least give players like my self, who do not enjoy dungeon grinding other ways to obtain the new tier gear parallel to dungeon, through karma, badges etc.
Regards
Seed
100% agree! I hated the dungeons. Why didn’t they make these items available from WvWvW from day one? Why am I being discriminated against for preferring WvWvW?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
How many dungeons did he grind to finish this?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I gave up after 3 failed, bug ridden runs anyway. Let them have their little dungeons. Back to WvWvW for me.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
One simple thing they could do to please tens of thousands of players(if not hundreds of thousands) about to quit over the ascended gear, like myself. They just make wvwvw seperate from PVE. Have it have the same gear system as sPVP except you can transmute PVE skins onto them, this will make everyone happy, and by everyone I mean the real wvwvw players who care about beating someone with skill and not stat increases, the real players, the one that played this game because progression was supposed to be cosmetic only.
As far as I know, the “real” wvwvw players don’t care about stat increases cause in the end 5v3 is always better than a 1v1. No need to outmatch your opponent in stats when you can outsmart them.
Strategy is everything. Stop whining about gear. Keep playing and you will catch up in gear to the PvE guys eventually. Anet is not stupid. PvE guys will get a headstart, as they get with everything but that’s gonna be it. They will allow you to catch up (in gear) to them PvE grinders soon enough.That sounds like a wow locust zerg mindset, hands down. Yes, We real wvwvw players, do not care about stat increases to beat our opponents. But it does get out of hand when you face people with 20-50% more damage and/or 20-50% more tank, think about if your server has a dedicated wvwvw crowd, and the other has a PvX guild that gets all the new gear for themselves, the stats aren’t minor. A-net has made it clear, new gear, not fixing bugs, AOE limits, that skill cap in this game is set to low, and there is only so much a server can do when undergeared and facing a server full of new shiny ascended gear.
Real wvwvw players would take the spvp gear system, and welcome it, as long as PVE skins can be transmuted, even if it still takes durability hits on death, that way they can keep to what they PAID for, and not be forced to login to a 2nd job.
As it stands right now, the tens of thousands of posts against the ascended gear on these forums alone, then you have the same on reddit, A-net is taking this game down a path that would make NGE or SWTOR look like heaven.
Last time, I checked, it was like an overall increase of 2-3% in stats… Far from game breaking.
Not even close. Go do the math.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
One simple thing they could do to please tens of thousands of players(if not hundreds of thousands) about to quit over the ascended gear, like myself. They just make wvwvw seperate from PVE. Have it have the same gear system as sPVP except you can transmute PVE skins onto them, this will make everyone happy, and by everyone I mean the real wvwvw players who care about beating someone with skill and not stat increases, the real players, the one that played this game because progression was supposed to be cosmetic only.
As far as I know, the “real” wvwvw players don’t care about stat increases cause in the end 5v3 is always better than a 1v1. No need to outmatch your opponent in stats when you can outsmart them.
Strategy is everything. Stop whining about gear. Keep playing and you will catch up in gear to the PvE guys eventually. Anet is not stupid. PvE guys will get a headstart, as they get with everything but that’s gonna be it. They will allow you to catch up (in gear) to them PvE grinders soon enough.
Have you bothered to research the gaps vs exotic?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Stupid question. How many dungeons was he forced to run?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
the “new” gear is only needed for the fractal of the mists dungeon if u want to “progress” into its hardest modes.
so what exactly is the issue here ? you dont need this new gear for the “existing” content and you are not forced to use it to keep playing with every one else .
so time to man up every one and stop whining like little girls.
Untrue. Better stats means that I will get stomped in WvWvW without it. Why can’t you understand this?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The problem is, this is stagnant. Some of us want something more substantial than ‘ooh, pretty colours!’ with an update. Something that changes the way the game is played at a meta level.
But equipment with higher stats doesn’t change anything. New content will always be designed to be at an appropriate level of challenge relative to the strongest that a player can be. If your damage goes up by 15%, the next boss’s health will go up by 15%.
The only thing that changes is that your gear, which used to be 100% of the maximum power, has been downgraded to only 87% of maximum power, and you have to grind out the new upgrades just to get back to 100%, which is exactly where you started.
I would agree with you, but the way fractals are being handled is already showing that they allow more manipulation of stats than regular gears, due to offering a larger range of different stats through the whole infusion system. Yes, it is power creep. However, I’m very interested to see how certain builds will evolve based on this power creep.
It’s too late to ask for UNIQUE stats on new gear/weapons in this game, such as the way weapons worked in older MMO’s like Ragnarok online. Since this is not possible, upgraded stats on gear will be the closest thing.
In the end, I really don’t think it’ll matter much. Players will eventually get infused gear, and everyone’s numbers will go up across the board, offensively and defensively. The only people truly getting left behind will be the lazy ones who don’t really play the game.
ANd then they put out the above ascendent gear, and after the godly gear… Dont talk for the other players… i dont consider myself a lazy one, but i dont want to LOSE time to farm for stats! if i have to farm its because I WANT TO FARM (like on GW) , and not because im forced to.
You’re not losing time to farm for stats…you are experiencing the new content offered in order to seek new rewards. It’s only boring and a chore if you allow it to be 9_9
Do you seriously think it’s satisfying to max out a tier of gear and then go “ok, done. Never have to work for gear ever again, zzz.”
No, I cannot see the satisfaction that comes with having nothing more to aim for. Right now, it’s the casual players who want to grind for aesthetics who are being selfish. At least they have a viable option of something to waste their time on – an aesthetic upgrade that doesn’t really contribute much of a reward other than as a vanity item. Those of us who want more progression are left in the dust after Exotic gear, with nothing to really aim for beyond that. Nothing but making gold…to do what with?
Anet said in the manifesto that they would be making the game to cater to both the casual and the hardcore crowd. Somewhere along the line, entitled GW1 players interpreted that as “casual crowd only.” it seems.
I don’t enjoy it. I hate the dungeons. Why must I do them to remain competitive. The differences vs exotic are large. Why aren’t they available in WvWvW now?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
You made up the running analogy, lol. Shoes can’t make you run faster irl. Ascended gear can make you hit harder. End of story.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Irrelevant. Try again. This isn’t a sport. It’s a game. It’s a game that boasted that people who grinded longer wouldn’t be more powerful than those who have jobs.
Sports are a type of a game too, and like any game in order to be competitive you actually have to play the game. So if you expect to be competitive at anything by putting minimal time into it then you have no idea what you are doing at all.
so where are my rocket boots for putting time into it, lol?
I put time into wvwvw to learn my class, not so that I am given better gear. I think my analogy fits sports far better than does your.
I hate to quote myself but here you go
If you want to be competitive then you are no longer a casual player and I’m not talking about gear.
If you want to be competitive then you need to buy rocket booster for your shoes?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
no. it’s no longer casual friendly. 90 hours per piece of gear to be competitive isn’t casual friendly.
If you want to be competitive then you are no longer a casual player and I’m not talking about gear.
I don’t play games to be cannon fodder either. that’s not my idea of fun.
You play any sports?
Irrelevant, but I am a long distance runner. I don’t consider this a sport. I consider this a game.
Oh it is relevant, would you say you would be able to be a competitve long distance runner just because you got amazing running shoes?
If the shoes had +5 to run speed on them, sure.
What do you think the difference between $20 shoes and $200 shoes is?
not rocket boosters.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Irrelevant. Try again. This isn’t a sport. It’s a game. It’s a game that boasted that people who grinded longer wouldn’t be more powerful than those who have jobs.
Sports are a type of a game too, and like any game in order to be competitive you actually have to play the game. So if you expect to be competitive at anything by putting minimal time into it then you have no idea what you are doing at all.
so where are my rocket boots for putting time into it, lol?
I put time into wvwvw to learn my class, not so that I am given better gear. I think my analogy fits sports far better than does your.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
no. it’s no longer casual friendly. 90 hours per piece of gear to be competitive isn’t casual friendly.
If you want to be competitive then you are no longer a casual player and I’m not talking about gear.
I don’t play games to be cannon fodder either. that’s not my idea of fun.
You play any sports?
Irrelevant, but I am a long distance runner. I don’t consider this a sport. I consider this a game.
Oh it is relevant, would you say you would be able to be a competitve long distance runner just because you got amazing running shoes?
Shoes in real life don’t add +5 to run speed. In this game they do.
touche, my friend.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I think he’d like you to prove that stats never matter unless you run solo. can you share your monte carlo simulations please?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Irrelevant. Try again. This isn’t a sport. It’s a game. It’s a game that boasted that people who grinded longer wouldn’t be more powerful than those who have jobs.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
no. it’s no longer casual friendly. 90 hours per piece of gear to be competitive isn’t casual friendly.
If you want to be competitive then you are no longer a casual player and I’m not talking about gear.
I don’t play games to be cannon fodder either. that’s not my idea of fun.
You play any sports?
Irrelevant, but I am a long distance runner. I don’t consider this a sport. I consider this a game.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
no. it’s no longer casual friendly. 90 hours per piece of gear to be competitive isn’t casual friendly.
If you want to be competitive then you are no longer a casual player and I’m not talking about gear.
I don’t play games to be cannon fodder either. that’s not my idea of fun.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
not all of us zerg in wvwvw. lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
no. it’s no longer casual friendly. 90 hours per piece of gear to be competitive isn’t casual friendly.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
These new items are must haves to compete in wvwvw, and there is only one way to get them – crappy dungeon grinds that many of us Hate.
Wow, it’s not very often that I would do this, but I’m actually going to encourage you to quit the game. Please.
Weird that players of any decent skill can compete in WvW with level 20 characters, and level 20 gear, but apparently you can’t even compete without top-tier weapons.
If you actually examine the game’s mechanics, I think an enormous facepalm would be in order. I mean you do realise that the majority of stats are actually innate to a character based on the distribution of attribute points, right? All gear actually does is let you further specialise your stats in whatever direction you want to take. I have no doubt whatsoever that I would be able to beat a less-skilled player than me with gear that isn’t even max level, let alone top-tier. A big part of that is my character’s innate stats and being able to distribute my attributes into a well-thought-out build, and an even bigger part of that is player skill. The idea that someone could care so kitten much about a tiny difference in gear stats says to me that that person probably doesn’t even understand how this game fundamentally works, let alone have any skill at it.
lol have you closely examined the stats of these items? they aren’t small improvements. Yes, stats Do matter.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
If you’re all just going to cry over a new tier of items, why even have god kitten items in this game? Why have fine, masterwork, rare, or exotic tiers? It’s too unfair for those who only have lower tier items! We should just eliminate all items for ever so the babies don’t have to collect a single piece of gear forever.
That is a very valid concern, even if stated in a very childish manner.
Childish? Look at all these other posts by the people crying over ascended. They want everything handed to them and when things went in a different direction they all act like its the end of the world. I swear some of these people are crying themselves to sleep.
Compared to some of the posts by all these other people this was hardly childish.
We understand that you feel entitled to a gear grind game.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
If you’re all just going to cry over a new tier of items, why even have god kitten items in this game? Why have fine, masterwork, rare, or exotic tiers? It’s too unfair for those who only have lower tier items! We should just eliminate all items for ever so the babies don’t have to do a single run forever.
On another note, did everyone forget that ascended were going to be able to acquired by other methods eventually?
And krookie, I don’t know how you managed to spend 6+ hours for only 25 tokens. My first try there was barely over an hour to finish all 3 fractals. I’d say you just had a terribad group.
Because some of us hate being forced to grind dungeons. we spent 2 hours and didn’t get crap done.
Then you are fools to play an MMO with a tiered item system. What you want is a game where every kitten will always have the same stats so no one is disadvantaged, ever. Regardless of what ANet ever said about their stance on grinding better items, the fact that a tiered item system existed always contradicted that.
So now you can either:
1. Deal with it, quit your crying.
2. Wait for alternative methods of acquiring ascended to be implemented.
3. Quit and find your magical game where no one ever has to face an opponent with ‘better’ gear.
No. Read again. I don’t want to be forced to do dungeon raids. I want to get it in wvw. I will deal with it by never spending another dime on this game until I can have fun again.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Can you please tell us When this gear will be available via wvwvw? I just cannot do another dungeon. I hate them with a passion.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
most of us never complained about nothing to do at level 80. my entire guild, all employed irl, had no problem with the game.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I really don’t understand what the big deal is? They’re giving us more game to play, what’s wrong with that? If you hate progressing your character then why don’t you just sit at level 1?
You people complain about anything. If Anet bumped max level up to 85, you’d complain then too about “hey you said no grind!” Seriously they’re giving us new content, totally for free, and you complain? What the hell is wrong with you.
Have a look @ GW2 manifesto, the core principle of the game. We bought the game for what it was.
Aanet is putting in a content that is a complete 180 degree backflip from their original design of the game.
Free, yah. But it’s a whole different game now, ala World of Warcraft alike.
If u liked grinding ala WoW, why on earth were you playing GW2 (referring to prepatch)?But the entire game is a progression of your character. You climb 80 levels then work on maxing slots and legendaries. Did you seriously think Anet was just gonna leave it at that and let the game end after that? What developer would put millions of dollars into building an MMO and then not expand it? What do you have against them adding new stuff anyway? Haven’t you seen all the old content yet?
No it’s not about progression. I got to 80, luv exploring and leveling, took me 3 weeks to get there. And then i had fun doing dungeons with my guildies. Hunting for skin. It’s not about progression, it was about “FUN”.
Come again.
Some of us don’t consider this fun, yet we have to do it to be competitive.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
If you’re all just going to cry over a new tier of items, why even have god kitten items in this game? Why have fine, masterwork, rare, or exotic tiers? It’s too unfair for those who only have lower tier items! We should just eliminate all items for ever so the babies don’t have to do a single run forever.
On another note, did everyone forget that ascended were going to be able to acquired by other methods eventually?
And krookie, I don’t know how you managed to spend 6+ hours for only 25 tokens. My first try there was barely over an hour to finish all 3 fractals. I’d say you just had a terribad group.
Because some of us hate being forced to grind dungeons. we spent 2 hours and didn’t get crap done.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I just did three of these dungeons. didn’t finish one. I hate this garbage. Hate it with a passion. I can’t believe I am being forced to do this stuff that I loathe just to be competitive in wvwvw.
You best get em now. In 4 months you’ll have to come back for your ascended britches.
I’m with you…screw this garbage..
I will uninstall before I put myself through that garbage again. Some of us dont find dungeon raids fun. Why isn’t this crap available in wvwvw?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
These new items are must haves to compete in wvwvw, and there is only one way to get them – crappy dungeon grinds that many of us Hate.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I just did three of these dungeons. didn’t finish one. I hate this garbage. Hate it with a passion. I can’t believe I am being forced to do this stuff that I loathe just to be competitive in wvwvw.
Please tell us when this will be available in wvwvw? If I have to do another dungeon I will shoot myself, seriously.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
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