Well the ascendants are only available in the dungeons. so yes, you must grind them now.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
No, it will not end well. YOu cannot alienate your most loyal customers and keep operating. RUle #1 of any business.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Honestly, I dont understand how people can compare 3 (yes 3) items to a geargrind such as WoWs or Rift or any other MMO.
I takes roughly 1-1½h per day to “grind” for it after you hit level 10. Once you have the 2 rings you like there is no more “grinding”. You can even save all the wrong stat rings for alts.
It takes much longer than that, I hate dungeons, this is only the beginning. Get it?
Ps. I don’t think fractals are fun at all.
Actually no it doesnt.
I started with a fractal 10 around 21.15 , it was done around 22.15. This is with no voice communication and just pure PuGing. Thats an easy hour or hour and a ½ that I happily do as a break from other things in the game.
And regarding whoever it was that remarked on getting this and that when it comes to cloak mats. Run ascendants if you dont wanna grind mats, you need roughly 1800 marks and you can make one with mats obtained from the fractal vendor and mist essences that drop in the fractals.
10 levels x 3 per level divided by 50% ring drop rate = 60 fractals. if you are lucky….. that’s 60 hours, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Why are people so upset with GW 2 now?
I frankly don’t get it.
It was only months ago people were having a blast
-Exploring vast stretches of land.
-Running dungeons.
-Working to make legendaries.
-Doing world events.
-PvP
-Leveling Alts, seeing the stories
I ask because I recall these were many of the things cited to do in GW 2 when people explained they were upset that there was “nothing to do at endgame”
From whatI understand, all the above listed things are still there, the only difference is for those whom wish to go to the millstone now have that option.
I do not see how gear progression has taken that away from anyone unless the people doing the above always had a preference for gear progression and as such thats what they are now doing, leaving those whom never wanted gear progression out in the cold so to speak.
Because I now must grind gear to enjoy WvWvW. I don’t like getting curb stomped by players with 20-50% better gear.
And I don’t enjoy being curb stomped by people with better computers than me, but I don’t feel I have to “grind” in real life to afford a better computer to still get stomped.
first, computer specs needed are disclosed before you purchased. secondly, that is outside the control of the game.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The math clearly shows that the stats on these items are 20-50% higher than those on exotics. don’t buy the propaganda that says that these differences are trivial. The gear grinders will throw all sorts of other nonsense in to confuse the issue.
And you are clearly trolling. And if youre actually serious then I think you should probably just uninstall the game, the community is better off without you.
So you resort to personal attacks when you cannot present a legitimate counter argument? Ok.
So did you, referring to me as a “gear grinder”. Who, mind you, has a grand total of two Exotic pieces being worn. One of which is a fricking box.
Why is a gear grinder considered an insult?
I don’t know, it’s certainly carrying that connotation lately around here. Saying basically “if you want to grind for gear, for any reason at all, you are not welcome”.
Actually, I see the opposite. If you don’t like grinding dungeons, you are not welcome.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The math clearly shows that the stats on these items are 20-50% higher than those on exotics. don’t buy the propaganda that says that these differences are trivial. The gear grinders will throw all sorts of other nonsense in to confuse the issue.
And you are clearly trolling. And if youre actually serious then I think you should probably just uninstall the game, the community is better off without you.
So you resort to personal attacks when you cannot present a legitimate counter argument? Ok.
So did you, referring to me as a “gear grinder”. Who, mind you, has a grand total of two Exotic pieces being worn. One of which is a fricking box.
Why is a gear grinder considered an insult?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The math clearly shows that the stats on these items are 20-50% higher than those on exotics. don’t buy the propaganda that says that these differences are trivial. The gear grinders will throw all sorts of other nonsense in to confuse the issue.
And you are clearly trolling. And if youre actually serious then I think you should probably just uninstall the game, the community is better off without you.
So you resort to personal attacks when you cannot present a legitimate counter argument? Ok.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The math clearly shows that the stats on these items are 20-50% higher than those on exotics. don’t buy the propaganda that says that these differences are trivial. The gear grinders will throw all sorts of other nonsense in to confuse the issue.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I think that people are more angry about the fact that the devs stated on numerous occasions that there would be no gear grind. This is like your teaching giving you a surprise final exam half way through the course.
How can people expect to not have to grind for gear? Do they think that you just have to run a dungeon one time and get the whole set?
Because I never had to in GW1 and because I was told I could get the best gear in ways that I prefer – I hate dungeons.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Why are people so upset with GW 2 now?
I frankly don’t get it.
It was only months ago people were having a blast
-Exploring vast stretches of land.
-Running dungeons.
-Working to make legendaries.
-Doing world events.
-PvP
-Leveling Alts, seeing the stories
I ask because I recall these were many of the things cited to do in GW 2 when people explained they were upset that there was “nothing to do at endgame”
From whatI understand, all the above listed things are still there, the only difference is for those whom wish to go to the millstone now have that option.
I do not see how gear progression has taken that away from anyone unless the people doing the above always had a preference for gear progression and as such thats what they are now doing, leaving those whom never wanted gear progression out in the cold so to speak.
Because I now must grind gear to enjoy WvWvW. I don’t like getting curb stomped by players with 20-50% better gear.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Honestly, I dont understand how people can compare 3 (yes 3) items to a geargrind such as WoWs or Rift or any other MMO.
I takes roughly 1-1½h per day to “grind” for it after you hit level 10. Once you have the 2 rings you like there is no more “grinding”. You can even save all the wrong stat rings for alts.
It takes much longer than that, I hate dungeons, this is only the beginning. Get it?
Ps. I don’t think fractals are fun at all.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I just ground spiders, mosquitoes, and fire flies in the swampland dungeon. Solo.. With +180% magic find, it took me 5 hours.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Also, given that the stat differences between exotics and ascendeds are pretty low, there should be no real reason to do FoTM as high as humanly possible each time or to not do it with lower level people who might need help. I mean, the drops aren’t any better, the fractal pieces don’t drop more and other than ascended rings (which again have a pretty minor increase stat wise over exotics), people seem to think that going as high as you can with fractals is the only way to go.
But I don’t see the point in it.
Just because people think they need to fragment the community doesn’t mean it’s actually true.
the stat differences are not low. back pack is +18%, ring is +50%.
They’re low when you actually take total stat pools into account and stop comparing generalist divinity stat distributions to specialized stat distributions.
That’s irrelevant. The stats are 20-50% higher. Fact and case closed. Don’t throw base stats into this, they don’t change these facts.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
a 20% increase is still a massive one.
They say they will continue to release new pieces.
This means a complete set with 20% more effectiveness WILL be part of this game if they are not convinced otherwise.
20% more effective stat is essentially a whole new 20 trait points invested in whatever line you choose.
that is HUGE. It is not at all insignificant.
Agreed, don’t listen to the pro-grind propaganda. The new gear, as shown by the posts here are 20-50% higher on the ascended gear. Don’t be fooled by the pro-grind crowd.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
More excuses to defend the gear grind. My point stands, regardless of all the reflexive defenses of gear grinding.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Also, given that the stat differences between exotics and ascendeds are pretty low, there should be no real reason to do FoTM as high as humanly possible each time or to not do it with lower level people who might need help. I mean, the drops aren’t any better, the fractal pieces don’t drop more and other than ascended rings (which again have a pretty minor increase stat wise over exotics), people seem to think that going as high as you can with fractals is the only way to go.
But I don’t see the point in it.
Just because people think they need to fragment the community doesn’t mean it’s actually true.
the stat differences are not low. back pack is +18%, ring is +50%.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Spending much time on online commerce sites such as Amazon.com. I encourage anyone who is unhappy with these changes to post reviews early and often. Target.com, walmart.com, newegg.com, gamestop.com.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The best strategies ignore pleas that will hurt the loyal core consumers.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Trust me, the best ascended items are ‘roughly’ about 40% better than regular exotics.
This pic is one of the lower quality rings, look at the difference in stats. There are ascended items that have been linked that have had vendor values of 6g
Exotic Berserker Ring total stats combined 155 +6% CTD
That low end Ascended RIng total stats combined 222 + 5% CTD + Agony Resis + MF
lol the new ring has 50% higher stats than does the exotic. wow. just wow. anyone else care to claim that the increases are “slight?”
You can’t just look at the difference between 1 ring and another, and judge based on that. For an accurate reading on the true stat increase, you must compare to the total stat pool awarded to your character, and base the increase on that number. It ends up being just under a 2% increase if using all 3 available slots.
My point stands. the new items have 50% higher stats than do exotics. case closed. Your argument is like saying that a 10% Return on INvestment can only be measured by how my wealth i have, independent of the investment. it’s illogical. the right way to compare this is item vs. item, not throwing in a bunch of base stats nonsense. my statement is factually correct.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Trust me, the best ascended items are ‘roughly’ about 40% better than regular exotics.
This pic is one of the lower quality rings, look at the difference in stats. There are ascended items that have been linked that have had vendor values of 6g
Exotic Berserker Ring total stats combined 155 +6% CTD
That low end Ascended RIng total stats combined 222 + 5% CTD + Agony Resis + MF
lol the new ring has 50% higher stats than does the exotic. wow. just wow. anyone else care to claim that the increases are “slight?”
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Did I say impolite? I just let people spot platitudes without challenging them.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
What gear do you wear? Whites? If not, why not? You’ll find the answer.
I fail to see how this is relevant, I wear exotics because I had nothing left to spend my money on. Sure, the extra stats are okay but I fail to see how its necessary or gamebreaking if I dont have them. I guarantee I can still be competitive in WvW wearing rares too.
So you are being hypocritical, since stats don’t matter. Are you saying that all exotics just HAPPEN to have the best appearance?
Clearly you don’t WvWvW much or well if you think it’s all Zerg vs Zerg.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Why should we be nice? They promised a unique MMO, a gamechanger, and within 3months made a 180, completely ruining this games future,
Game was far from perfect, but atleast the majority of players were in the world, now everyone just stands in LA and spams LFG FOTM LVLX
We have the right to be unhappy, Greed needs to stop stomping on innovation
You should be polite and mature because you expect to be treated like an adult and given honest responses. Say what you will about the game, about how unhappy you are but a little civility and courtesy isn’t beneath anyone here.
I would not walk up to someone on the street I disagreed with and go: “Hey Congressman, what the heck man, you said we’d get new jobs and instead companies moved out of state! You’re a liar and a phony!”
Actually, I have, and I would do it again. They work for us, but they forget it. I won’t let them forget it.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
What gear do you wear? Whites? If not, why not? You’ll find the answer.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Inferior to most of the players.
Inferior to some. Again, overexageration and hyperbole are exactly what this topic is about avoiding.
. If only some,then why the huge uproar? Why the 12k thread?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Not inferior. Different. Unfortunately, that different game is aimed at different player group than the original one – and one that in its philosophy is antagonistic to the original one.
I love this argument, it’s actually true in essence. The feel of the game is slightly different after the patch and some players are very upset over it. You and I might disagree on the details but thank you.
Inferior to most of the players.
You on the other hand, I love your posts for an entirely different reason. You’re blunt, definite in your statements, making this an absolute truth. It makes it so much easier to gesture to and go “and comments like these just serve to piss people off and make communication harder”.
You serve a valuable need as an example of how not to conduct a discussion. Have a cookie.
As if i care. I find these debates amusing. Even if no one agreed with me, I wouldn’t change a word. It’s not my objective to convince anyone.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I never did a dungeon. They don’t interest me.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Did you see that? He was oppressing me!
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Warhammer paid out its $100m investment too, /snicker!
The good news for anet is that they didn’t sink much cash into developing this since they owned the lore.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
No one likes to be treated as a second class citizen. Right now, those of us who loathe dungeon grinds are being oppressed.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
ArenaNet has explicitly stated time and time again since pre-launch that WvW is meant to be imbalanced. That includes numbers, gear, and whatever else you can think of.
/thread
Where exactly did they state that end game WvWvW gear is supposed to be imbalanced? Show us all!
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Inferior to most of the players.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
why would they violate their own principles and change 180 degrees unless they were in trouble?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Read the manifesto. It’s plain as day.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
A month ago this game was attractive to casual players which play max 2 hours a day.Now its more attractive to people who love the gear grind which usually play their games for 10 hours a day.
That may be, but it means Anet has lost a significant part of their target audience. What they are left with is a player base that prefers a style of rpg that Anet did not set out to cater to: grind and gated content.
So there could 5 times less players but the servers look equally full.
In actual fact there are less players -and- the servers are less full.
Anet has no one to blame but themselves.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I don’t care if I endear myself to anyone, honestly.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
IF Ascended gear will not be made available through any other means but dungeons. I will drop this game so fast the only thing you will see before it dropping the ground is a dustcloud.
There are some exceptions:
– Ascended gear is fully craftable via materials found OUTSIDE of dungeons
– Considering the last one this means you should be able to buy them on TP
– Via some sort of Karma/Badge payment
If they are going to try and make me run the Fractal thingy, I’m out.
I give you the ascended back pieces:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vial_of_Condensed_Mists_Essence
It requires a vial of condensed mists essence that is account bound and only obtainable from the chests at the end of fractals.
These aren’t minor upgrades either.
This is somewhat incorrect. Any fractal mob can drop them. I got mine solo, after about 20mins of grinding mosquitoes and spiders.
It took me 5+ hours with +180% magic find.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I’m probably in the minority here but I believe the best gear should be obtained by a mandatory mix of PvE AND W3. I believe people that play the WHOLE game, opposed to just a part of it exclusively, deserve to have a little fistbump by the progression/gear gods. Nothing major, but a little stat prestige that says “Hey, I actually participate in the entire experience of the game.”
Probably just me though, and yeah it’s for sure a little biased since I do participate in all facets of the game (PvE, TPvP/SPvP, W3).
Why do you think it’s right to force people to do things they don’t like?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
What does over time actually mean? 5 years?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Crafted/dropped exotic armor has equal stats with dungeon armor.
Beside the stats difference between rare and exotic is not much.
WRONG. Dungeon grind gear is at least 20% better than the best exotics. Yes, it’s pathetic that we are forced to grind miserable dungeons for the best gear.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
clearly it’s the players’ faults! We all promised one thing then executed the opposite. Yes, we wrote the code, designed the game, etc. lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I suppose people who like grinds don’t accomplish much in real life, so they need a grind to feel like they’ve done something. The rest of us can point to real life accomplishments and don’t need to toil through grinds.
Such a silly suggestion. I like to work for things in Rl as well as in my leisure and play times. In Rl, I am a 22 year Naval vet. I was a Masterchief and veteran of 3 wars. I worked so myself, my family and millions of other people have the freedoms they enjoy today. Lord knows I didn’t do it for the pay. During that time, I saved and invested responsibly while other people wasted their income and now am retired at the ripe old age of 40 very well off financially.
As a masterchief and COB of a US submarine, I have seen hundreds of young men come into the service with the attitudes expressed here in this thread. Boy were they mistaken. As in my above post, no one is equal. How you work to achieve a goal in this life is the only thing that matters. That boys and girls is the truth in its most basic form.
Don’t take it personally. It’s an observation. Some of us have sufficient challenge and accomplishments in real life that we turn to game to relax and have fun, and we find little enjoyment in grinding things. Remember, this is a game, and no amount of macho behavior will change that.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Some of us need greater mental stimulation than gear grinds I suppose.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I love this game still and hate the community and how they behave… Or at-least the community on the forum.
It reminds me all too much of what I see in other games, players not actually reading what developers write, thinking about how changes actually impact them or responding in sensible manners.
But then again you are all the 90% right, whatever your idea is EVERYONE holds the same idea.
I find it funny that people talk about grind in ascended gear, the rings drop and fairly easily with one guarenteed and if you cannot afford a black slot after doing over EIGHTY fractal dungeons I have to ask… How bad are you at this game… I mean seriously I get what 60silver roughly per three dungeons at LOW LEVEL DIFFICULTY in those dungeons… You get through 80 dungeons + to the level you are required to actually use the back slot item and you get a ring AND can afford a backslot item… It is that simple.
The stats on the item make a 1%-2% difference to your OVERALL character strength which is NOTHING and a lesser difference than rare to exotics. And makes no difference in world vs world, especially if we cannot select runes and have rune effects in play (and people who use runes for their stats only and don’t work with the effects are just bad players, like the glass cannon only groups, lacking in intelligence)
There is still no gear grind in the game that isn’t optional, none that effects the gameplay in a meaningful way and ascended isn’t even a grind atm due to how they implemented it.
All I see is a bunch of people having a kneejerk reaction without actually having a closer look at how it will effect them and the way the game is played.
lol i have looked closely. it’s hours and hours of a grind in content some of us hate. How difficult is that to understand. the rings don’t always drop. How can you say what is a grind for some of us? It’s not optional. stop saying that. the stats are at least 20% better than exotics. not optional.
Buutttt you don’t need them, the stats are 8% better than an exotic and you don’t need them outside of fractals and even then only after level 11…
That 8% stat bonus is a 1-2% character power bonus at best and even less as you cannot get a full set yet.
Multiple analyses have shown its at least 20%, lol. This is only the beginning.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
now that i think of it, i made a thread back when the new big patch was annonced, i was happy with the changes thinking i would have fun, but now i see, it’s the community that ruined it, everybody is just fractals and fractal level limits are starting to appear(if you’re level 2 it’s hard to get a party since everybody wants higher)….i want to do something else and i’m not able.
The community didn’t ruin it. The design did.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I suppose people who like grinds don’t accomplish much in real life, so they need a grind to feel like they’ve done something. The rest of us can point to real life accomplishments and don’t need to toil through grinds.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
They promised no gear grind. This requires grinding. I hate dungeons. I must grind dungeons to get the best gear. Not that complicated.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I think it’s appalling that people are calling this guy a liar. Sad.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I didn’t want a gear grind, and neither did any of the players who hate this. Don’t put words in my mouth.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I know my post is the last one on page 1 but, it might help if you realize it’s only a 10% boost. NOT the 20%-50% some are making up.
Orichalcum Rings are +67/48/48 points with an upgrade slot for a jewel. Jewels are +25/15/15. Totaling 92/63/63 or 218 points.
Acsended rings are 103/68/68 or 239 total points with an Infusion only upgrade slot. Which is about a 10% increase, right?
Now, the new back items are about an 18% increase. Though back pieces needed a boost as they have been under powered. I’ve never even had enough Gold to purchase a Guild Back pack yet. So, the new items having a plentiful drop rate was welcomed.
Yes, I agree I do not like being forced to run Fractals. But, it’ll only be for a couple of weeks I tell myself. Though I’m aware I’ll be forever feeling without and near hopelessly grinding away to play catch up to the wealthy in this game anyway. This market functions around on a “winner take all” mentality when it requires more of a perpetual game theory enacted. Fun or entertainment rarely enters my mind anymore….
It is actually higher than a 10% increase if you had a full set, which is where that figure comes from. Ascended has 10% higher base stats without infusions, this is true. But you are is not accounted for is the higher base damage on a weapon (which they have said they will be including). That base damage, plus the extra stats from infusions, plus the way stats work (for example a crit will grow exponentially with higher stats and weapon damage) and how the 10% works out means you will be doing closer to 20% better when you do the math and have a full set.
Someone did a good post mathematically analyzing all this, which is where the 20% comes from, but it got lost in the big thread.
Yep, I’ve seen several detailed posts all saying the same thing: 20%+ higher stats, and that’s before additional stats that come along with infusion. Scarier still, the infusions are fine quality only. Just wait for the better ones. Lastly, they’ve already said that more powerful tiers are coming.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.