only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Many people are leaving WvWvW in disgust because of god mode thieves. One guy last night " I am not going to waste my time complaining, I will just go play something else…" He’s not alone. I’ve heard this many times in the last few weeks.
Highest dps, perma stealth due to culling and best mobility in ONE class? I’ve never seen a worse implementation of stealth in any game. I
While you are trying to fix culling in WvWvW, please lengthen stealth cool down times. You are losing customers. Many of us refuse to buy from your store to support such a poorly balanced system. Thank you.Culling and rendering aside… WvWvW is inherently imbalanced… They’ve always been honest about WvWvW balance being an after thought.
You went into a deliberately imbalanced game mode and are upset about the imbalance, maybe try sPvP? If imbalanced combat isn’t your thing.
They requested my feedback. I never read that perma stealth was a WvWvW design feature. Where was that stated? The rest of the classes are balanced. Why should this single class be so far off?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
They hate us because 90% of the users in this game play warriors that can hit another player for 24k damage one hit and cry when they get hit for anything over 4k
I’ve been hit for >10 k may times by thieves, despite all exotics and toughness upgrades. I’ve never been hit that hard by a warrior. Why? I can see the warrior and dodge the 4 s cast time shot, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Depends whether its factual and constructive. Anet specifically requested our facts.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Yes , the non thief players should get a refund for having to deal with high dps perma stealth enemies in WvWvW. Good idea, thanks,
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Just give everyone a refund as you dont care about thiefs and want them made into support classes with low dps so just give everyone a refund so everyone can be a warrior as its the only class you seem to care about.
Obviously they do care about thieves since they are taking their time to balance them, at the risk of alienating other players.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
No, people hate thieves in WvWvW because they often die without ever being able to fight back.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It’s been over a month since fractals released. When can those of us who hate dungeons have a chance to play on an even playing field with the gear grinders? Thank you.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The culling bug makes stealth god mode in WvWvW. That’s why thieves are hated.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Many people are leaving WvWvW in disgust because of god mode thieves. One guy last night " I am not going to waste my time complaining, I will just go play something else…" He’s not alone. I’ve heard this many times in the last few weeks.
Highest dps, perma stealth due to culling and best mobility in ONE class? I’ve never seen a worse implementation of stealth in any game. I
While you are trying to fix culling in WvWvW, please lengthen stealth cool down times. You are losing customers. Many of us refuse to buy from your store to support such a poorly balanced system. Thank you.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I can’t blame them for leaving because of god mode thieves infesting WvWvW. Many of us leave WvWvW after multiple occasions dying to perma stealthed enemies within seconds. I have never seen a worse implementation of stealth in any game. Who thought it was a good idea to give one class the highest dps, best mobility and perma stealth? Seriously?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Yep, and unrendered thieves I cannot target.
Tab target.
Nope, they don’t target. So perhaps they are actually perma stealthed? Lol, not sure that’s better.
A thief that has dropped out of stealth but isn’t visible due to culling is absolutely able to be targeted via tab targeting. Watch for the black swirl effect, hit tab, there’s your thief. I do this multiple times in every WvW session. It’s even easier when fighting P/D thieves since the bullet trails from Sneak Attack will tell you exactly where the thief is.
Well then, they must truly be perma stealthed then. That’s balance!
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Highest dps, permastealth, best mobility, decent ranged dng. What’s balanced about this? Thieves are in abject denial of god mode.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Yep, and unrendered thieves I cannot target.
Tab target.
Nope, they don’t target. So perhaps they are actually perma stealthed? Lol, not sure that’s better.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The stealth in GW2 is hands down the worst implementation of stealth I’ve ever seen in any game.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
i cannot target unrendered players, lol.
Wrong again.
You don’t even play the game do you…
Yep, and unrendered thieves I cannot target. or they are perma stealthed. Not sure the root cause really matters, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
unfortunately, they’ve indicated that more 20-50% gear is coming via fractals. armor and weapons. you wont have a choice. I hate it too.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
In WvWvW, thieves can exploit the culling bug to remain perma stealthed and dish out the highest dps. They also can move the fastest. Literally, some thieves can never nbe seen for entire fights. God mode.
You probably believe they can shoot fireballs from their eyes and bolts of lightning from their a55 too.
Plz, stop making up crap. You only make yourself look silly.
with the culling bug, thieves don’t need much stealth to be perma stealth. so perma stealth and the highest dps = god mode.
You really need to stop using the phrase perma-stealth as it implies a lot of things it is not.
Culling and rendering issues, might not make you visible in combat but they do not also give you all the other additional benefits of stealth. Such as shadow art traits, untargetability and the stealth 1 skill.
Whether deliberate or not, what you are doing is over stating the issue considerably. Please stop doing this, you aren’t really helping your point by making it intellectually dishonest.
Culling and Rendering is an issue that needs dealing with, it really doesn’t need a ton of spin to further confuse matters.
Perhaps in future call it permanently unrendered… As this correctly states the actual issue.
i cannot target unrendered players, lol. so it really doesn’t matter. call it what you want. Because thieves can best exploit the culling bug they get the most advantage from it. so whatever. Anet will get enough complaints and threats of not buying gems that they will do the right thing.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
for some reason, they believe that highest burst dps, perma stealth and highest mobility is balanced, lol. this is hands down the most imbalanced stealth class I’ve ever seen. ridiculously broken.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Just got out of WvW… BAM BAM BAM poof BAM BAM BAM poof … Ya, I’m all done with that. Thief needs SERIOUS looking at with stealth. Revealed does absolutely nothing. Should be 10 seconds at least between stealth abilities. I thought this game wasn’t going to have perma stealth rogues. Guess not…
complain to anet. enough complaints and this class will get what it deserves,
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
In WvWvW, thieves can exploit the culling bug to remain perma stealthed and dish out the highest dps. They also can move the fastest. Literally, some thieves can never nbe seen for entire fights. God mode.
You probably believe they can shoot fireballs from their eyes and bolts of lightning from their a55 too.
Plz, stop making up crap. You only make yourself look silly.
with the culling bug, thieves don’t need much stealth to be perma stealth. so perma stealth and the highest dps = god mode.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Best to post in this thread, Arenanet is actively looking for feedback on the thief since the last major new build.
Unfortunately, the thieves are drowning out any complaints with the L2P mantra.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Honestly the worst part imo is their ability to escape which negates any consequence for their actions.
Invisible for 99% of any fight (annoying as hell but not their fault)
Extremely high damage output (difficult to deal with but its what they do)
Very mobile (also difficult to deal with but doable)
Being able to sprint away without a care in the world when their outplayed/skilled (pure BS)
This captures it well. I’ve never seen another game where stealthers can remain stealthed while being attacked or attacking others. It’s a terrible design choice.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Thiefes. It is not even their dmg it is just the fact that it can take 5 sec for them to render and then they invis again and run. THAT is the annoying point. So in the end you got tons of ppl running glasscanon thiefes running around and if you clash with one he either runs and denies you farm like no other class could ( Mesmer are annyoing but they can stealth/ heal, stealth again and have mulitple blinks( the fact theat they are blinks and not dashes is the annoying thing) is making it pretty much the most unfun class to play against in WvW.
Yes, this class gets enormous benefit from the culling bugs. If that cannot be fixed, stealth needs major changes.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Math is wrong and infusion slots have stats too. Compare the backpacks, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
In WvWvW, thieves can exploit the culling bug to remain perma stealthed and dish out the highest dps. They also can move the fastest. Literally, some thieves can never nbe seen for entire fights. God mode.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Thieves have god mode in wvwvw due to perma stealth. Badly broken class.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
They do. Do the math.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Give pets the ability to attack stealthers.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
jesus.. its about 2 rings atm, so why would actualy start to QQ about them not beeing obtainable in WvW atm
its not like your power gets to >9000 cause you have one
20-50% higher stats item to item aren’t minor differences.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Fix perma stealth exploits. Simple
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I’m not reading at all so I can’t be wrong. Check and mate.
Well read the entire thread then get back to us. Thanks.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
everyone is actling like every player is going to have ascended gear and that its going to ruin wvw etc? really? i don’t see the big issue when in reality that ascended gear is going to be used for running a a dungeon/pve content. how is that really a huge issue with everyone? you just want the best gear no matter what? ^__^ there is only a ring and a back item. both of which i have but still, it wasnt a huge inscrease in ANY dmg.
20-50% higher stats than exotics tells me that they aren’t just for fractals, lol
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Highest dps, perma stealth and best mobility all in one class with one build? Don’t you think that’s a bit imbalanced? Oh, don’t forget decent cc too.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Rng isn’t really random.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I am sick and tired of people making it sound like thieves have an auto perma-stealth button. Its not that easy to maintain stealth AND you can’t attack and stay stealthed. This class is NOT BROKEN. Go get some better armor and learn to play the game.
With th culling bug, you can perma stealth, sorry. You are incorrect.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It’s been a month and this gear still requires dungeon grinding.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Fix the culling bugs before doing anything to thieves. If that cannot be fixed increase stealth cool downs.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
The execution of stealth in this game is the worst I’ve ever seen. Doesn’t break on damage, can instantly stealth while under attack and can perma stealth thanks to culling bugs. Horribly broken.
If more thieves would admit that the stealth mechanic is broken, I’d be sympathetic. However, just do the l2p chant, so I will root for nerfs.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I notice a big improvement in t6 material drops with magic find.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Mesmers have 3 s stealth with long cool downs. Not perma stealth.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Great Idea, let’s nerf the thief because of a few awful players not being able to counter them. Come to the message boards and ask for nerfs that would not only make their lives easier but also seriously hamper pve abilities. I know you want to win against everyone with no effort whatsoever, but you are wanting to completely ruin an entire gaming experience for a class because of your rage over wvw/pvp frustrations. What about all those thieves that dont play any pvp at all that are going to find themselves unable to be viable in pve because you want to essentially remove them from the game? If you want balance try something else, because nobody plays this game the same, period. There will always be someone that can beat your strategy, that’s why you have to adjust your playstyle. But no, you can’t evolve at all and scream for a nerf, not just one, but reams of them, from stealth, to damage, to healing, to steal, to backstab, to daggerstorm, to condition removal, etc etc etc.
How about we remove all classes from the game and everyone has just one. No customization allowed for anything but completely cosmetic reasons, maybe just a colour difference only. Everyone has to be the same size, come from the same starting locations, do the same quests, and get the same equipment. Aw heck, let’s just have online Pong, that’s the only way it will really be balanced but you are sooo going to complain if you can’t win that game all the time too. Right side is OP!! NERF!!
Perma stealth vis a vis culling bugs is pretty inexcusable. I hope they fix it or the screams will get worse.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Okay im getting sick of people saying Thieves are OP. Thieves are meant to be unbeatable 1v1, read the in game description about them, it mentions they are the best for 1v1. I play a thief and i get ate up easily if i go against a group of enemies. Usually if im running with the zerg i pull out my Shortbow and spam long ranged spells. If people knew how to face a thief everything would be okay, but they dont. Example, if thief goes invis with Shadow refuge spell, use your aoe attack in the circle the thief created. Thief is dead within a few seconds. Im sick and tired of people complaining about thiefs, they are perfect how they are, and they are meant to do the most damage out of any class because they are squishy.
Show us all where they said that thieves are meant to be unbeatable 1:1.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I can’t dodge what I can’t see. Because of the culling bug, we never see them.
That would only be true for the first heartseeker, not subsequent ones, and let’s not talk about opening with HS out of stealth.
So you just stand there and let them pound you ? Get damage from an invisible foe and never once try to dodge away at all ? I mean.. this isn’t Aion. You actually CAN and SHOULD dodge…
Sure I do dodge. However, I can only dodge so many times. I still can’t see the thief during the entire fight. I constantly move and turn. Still get hit with high damage repeatedly from an invisible enemy. How is this balanced?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
What if I tell you, that you don’t need ascended items anywhere besides the fractals.
And if you wanna do fractals, it means you like them, means it’s okay to repeat them over and over.
And agony resistance is not that necessary to progress there. Just dodge and you’re good.
So again – people criticize GW2 without actual reason, just for kicks.
Stats are 20-50% higher than comparable exotics. Yes, you do need them.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Highest dps, best mobility, stealth. All in one class. Broken.
Sigh. Columba. Is Thief now the new EZMode ?
They have low HP, 2-3 moderate crits drop them already. You can dodge their cloak and dagger, making them waste lots of initiative, which hurts those setups more than anything, especially if you’re dealing with HS spammers that are just plain boring.
Yes, a well-played thief can own, but so can any other class if it’s well played.
Best advice was still to roll one yourself, learn the strengths and weaknesses, learn how their mechanics work and you’ll know how to counter them.
I can’t dodge what I can’t see. Because of the culling bug, we never see them.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Highest dps, best mobility, stealth. All in one class. Broken.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I’ve never seen a worse implementation of stealth in a pvp game. Stay stealthed while attacking? Really? Insta stealth while being attacked? Really? Badly broken mechanics.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Did the class not wear underwear?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I am happy with the way it is. Stop trying to make this game a grind fest.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.