only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Do any not perma stealth?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
perma stealth is bad form too.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Has no one mentioned the culling/lag issue? He was probably owned by 5 people and never even saw it coming until it was over.
Also, the Alt+F4 issue seems to be getting worse. I’m finding it done more and more. And, I’m not even maxed out or a glass cannon build. If I’m planting a stake in you, I earned it!
exactly. one good cheat deserves another. if a thief is cheating with perma stealth he deserves to get alt-f4’d every time.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Do you guys really think that ArenaNet is going to distribute ascended items in a less grindy way outside of FotM?
What would happen to FotM then? Nobody would ever bother doing it because its boring as kitten, only reason anyone does it now is for gear don’t kid yourselves.
To all the white knights saying just wait it’ll all be ok arenaNet knows what they are doing. Yes kitten straight they know what they are doing and they know that they have already alienated everyone that isn’t a grind addict, they ARE smart enough not to alienate the last group supporting this game.
If nobody would do it, that speaks volumes. So the logic is, lets forced people,to do boring things because its good for them?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
loved it before the fractals and ascended. now, it’s a way to pass the time. there are still many good elements. sorry, but the new gear is mandatory in wvwvw. if you like to zerg, perhaps less critical.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
20-50% higher stats. Yes, we must get them now or get curb stomped in WvWvW. Secondly they are introducing many more items. This is only the beginning.
would like to know where you got those numbers. i have yet to see any official posts of any kind supporting those percentages.
easy. simply compare the items side by side. include the added stats you get from the infusion (most people thing that infusion only helps with agony resist). add up the stats and divide ascended by the base. voila. this excludes the better synergies with ascended pieces too.
The actual math shows it really doesn’t matter. Gear is less than a quarter of the stats that matter for your character. Most comes from traits and levels.
The most common ring you see adds 5 power 5 pre. That’s 1/4 of 1% crit rate and about 1/5 of 1% to your damage.
The improvement only matters if what you’re looking at is stats on items in your paperdoll. It doesn’t matter if you’re looking at in-game performance.
It depends what you put in the denominator. I exclude base stats, and I am looking at item to item stats. Thus, my point stands. I never said over character stats. I specified item stats. It’s your call on how you wish to represent the facts. I am focused on the items. Whether or not it matters is a purely subjective argument. I think these do matter.
do you think the stat increase will be significant enough to allow you to let’s say kill another player with like for example, 9 hits instead of 10? or take 11 hits instead of 10 to die?
i realize this really depends on what class is facing what class, and using what builds, but i’m talking about in general here.
the only place where ascended gear may make a difference is in pvp, namely wvwvw. considering how little gear contributes stat wise compared to traits and levels, ascended gear may have negligible impact there. the numbers will still remain the number 1 deciding factor imo. the server with the bigger zerg will still win. if i have 50 warm bodies to throw at you, and you have 40 people, even if you guys were all in full ascended gear, i will still win.
You can assume whatever you want. Not all of us Zerg in WvWvW. How about this? If the stats truly don’t matter as you claim, why not make them equal to exotics? After all, fractals are so much fun and worth the time to do all of them, right?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It’s completely legitimate against perma stealthers. Can’t see them? Alt f4!
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
ANET should remove stealth until they have a game engine that can support stealth.
Not let stealth be in the game while they try to fix their game engine.
There isnt any other MMO where they have made stealth so powerful like they have in Stealth wars 2.
Unfortunately, this may be the only way to balance then with the perm stealth problems from the culling bug.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
20-50% higher stats. Yes, we must get them now or get curb stomped in WvWvW. Secondly they are introducing many more items. This is only the beginning.
would like to know where you got those numbers. i have yet to see any official posts of any kind supporting those percentages.
easy. simply compare the items side by side. include the added stats you get from the infusion (most people thing that infusion only helps with agony resist). add up the stats and divide ascended by the base. voila. this excludes the better synergies with ascended pieces too.
The actual math shows it really doesn’t matter. Gear is less than a quarter of the stats that matter for your character. Most comes from traits and levels.
The most common ring you see adds 5 power 5 pre. That’s 1/4 of 1% crit rate and about 1/5 of 1% to your damage.
The improvement only matters if what you’re looking at is stats on items in your paperdoll. It doesn’t matter if you’re looking at in-game performance.
It depends what you put in the denominator. I exclude base stats, and I am looking at item to item stats. Thus, my point stands. I never said over character stats. I specified item stats. It’s your call on how you wish to represent the facts. I am focused on the items. Whether or not it matters is a purely subjective argument. I think these do matter.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
20-50% higher stats. Yes, we must get them now or get curb stomped in WvWvW. Secondly they are introducing many more items. This is only the beginning.
would like to know where you got those numbers. i have yet to see any official posts of any kind supporting those percentages.
easy. simply compare the items side by side. include the added stats you get from the infusion (most people thing that infusion only helps with agony resist). add up the stats and divide ascended by the base. voila. this excludes the better synergies with ascended pieces too.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
20-50% higher stats. Yes, we must get them now or get curb stomped in WvWvW. Secondly they are introducing many more items. This is only the beginning.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I certainly hope so! The game is broken the way they can perma stealth.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I always ask people to do a Warrior sweep after capping keeps/castles. Wouldn’t want them 1v1ing people to death. >_>
yes, clearly those warriors are devastating inside a keep!
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Thieves. Highest dps, best ranged, fastest, perma stealth. Too opd right now.
I find this pretty lulzy, considering that both powerful thief ranged skills, Cluster Bomb and Sneak Attack, are almost always used at melee or near-melee range. If you’re getting killed by thieves at a range they’re either amazing or you’re standing very very still. Heck, thieves only have one max-range weapon skill, and it isn’t very viable to use from 1200 range.
at least their ranged attacks aren’t obstructed half the time as rangers’ are.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
just wanted to ask.
in wvwvw, how do you tell if your opposing team is rolling with groups of players with full ascended gear? it’s not something you can tell by simply looking at a character.
tbh, it just sounds like a convenient excuse cos someone got roflstomped and had to blame something other than him/herself.
It’s pretty obvious.
No.
Its the same as full rares going up against full exotics. Ascended is the new “exotic” and exotic is the new “rare.”
Wvw isnt going to be any different.
Not sure why noone understands this.
except that exotics take about 1% longer to get than rares. ascended take about 20x longer to get than exotics. big difference.
No. Again.
Ascended gear is going to be rolled out into other aspects of the game. Im assuming you, me, and everyone has no real idea how long it will take to get the gear when that happens. So the difference can’t really be known now can it?
Currently, getting that one ring is pure RNG so just as well everyone has an equal chance of getting that piece. The back pieces are somewhat difficult to make, ill give you that, but again everyone has the tools in front of them to do what’s necessary to acquire it. Its just a matter of how much time a player has or wants to spend doing so.
Just like when making the jump from rare to exotic, albeit taking a little less time.
If you’re taking forever that’s YOUR experience.
And again, once the gear is distributed as a reward across the game, WvW will be no different. As i said above, player to player balance was never the point of that mode and if youre only concerned with 1v1 scenarios then youre no good to your server and should instead play SPvP where 1v1 happens alot and everyone actually IS on an even playing field gear-wise.
So no, length of time does not matter.
Umm, since getting non ascendant gear takes the shortest time in dungeons, then it’s logical that the ascendant gear from other venues will take at least as long as the fractal grind. 20-50% higher stats also make this tier a much bigger jump than the rare to exotic one.
There’s hardly any difference in the time to get a rare vs exotic, plus I can buy both. I cannot buy ascended. So again, the comparison is laughable.
You’re right the comparison is laughable.
Because it doesn’t matter.
Maybe i should’ve specified precisely where I was going with all this but my main point is that WvW is not meant to be balanced player to player. It never was supposed to be.
We knew this prior to launch and the introduction of this new gear REGARDLESS of the jump from exotic and REGARDLESS of the time it takes players to acquire it, isn’t going to make a lick of difference in WvW.
That’s why I don’t understand why people are so worried about it. Obviously it won’t matter in SPvP either because it won’t be included or because if it is, everyone will just be bumped up on an even spread as normal.
I also don’t understand why you brought up the length of time it takes to get ascended gear as a counterargument to the fact that it doesn’t matter in WvW.
Gear never mattered in WvW. Ever. It was never meant to be balanced and it wasn’t before ascended was added.
Just the strength of your team/zerg and how well your server coordinates is what matters in WvW. Gear’s never been balanced in that mode. So why go crazy when ascended is added into the mix?
Again, if you’re concentrating on 1v1 scenarios, go play SPvP because why in the heck are you in WvW trying to kill individual players and not trying to team up and take keeps and castles?
And also don’t assume that because you can go from rare to exotic lickity split, everyone else can.
But again, that doesn’t matter in WvW.
Perhaps it doesn’t matter the way you play wvwvw. It matters for others.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
just wanted to ask.
in wvwvw, how do you tell if your opposing team is rolling with groups of players with full ascended gear? it’s not something you can tell by simply looking at a character.
tbh, it just sounds like a convenient excuse cos someone got roflstomped and had to blame something other than him/herself.
It’s pretty obvious.
No.
Its the same as full rares going up against full exotics. Ascended is the new “exotic” and exotic is the new “rare.”
Wvw isnt going to be any different.
Not sure why noone understands this.
except that exotics take about 1% longer to get than rares. ascended take about 20x longer to get than exotics. big difference.
No. Again.
Ascended gear is going to be rolled out into other aspects of the game. Im assuming you, me, and everyone has no real idea how long it will take to get the gear when that happens. So the difference can’t really be known now can it?
Currently, getting that one ring is pure RNG so just as well everyone has an equal chance of getting that piece. The back pieces are somewhat difficult to make, ill give you that, but again everyone has the tools in front of them to do what’s necessary to acquire it. Its just a matter of how much time a player has or wants to spend doing so.
Just like when making the jump from rare to exotic, albeit taking a little less time.
If you’re taking forever that’s YOUR experience.
And again, once the gear is distributed as a reward across the game, WvW will be no different. As i said above, player to player balance was never the point of that mode and if youre only concerned with 1v1 scenarios then youre no good to your server and should instead play SPvP where 1v1 happens alot and everyone actually IS on an even playing field gear-wise.
So no, length of time does not matter.
Umm, since getting non ascendant gear takes the shortest time in dungeons, then it’s logical that the ascendant gear from other venues will take at least as long as the fractal grind. 20-50% higher stats also make this tier a much bigger jump than the rare to exotic one.
There’s hardly any difference in the time to get a rare vs exotic, plus I can buy both. I cannot buy ascended. So again, the comparison is laughable.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
just wanted to ask.
in wvwvw, how do you tell if your opposing team is rolling with groups of players with full ascended gear? it’s not something you can tell by simply looking at a character.
tbh, it just sounds like a convenient excuse cos someone got roflstomped and had to blame something other than him/herself.
It’s pretty obvious.
No.
Its the same as full rares going up against full exotics. Ascended is the new “exotic” and exotic is the new “rare.”
Wvw isnt going to be any different.
Not sure why noone understands this.
except that exotics take about 1% longer to get than rares. ascended take about 20x longer to get than exotics. big difference.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
there is no issue with the downscaling. if u want it to be more diffcult turn up in blues or something jesus
It’s really disheartening how many people waltz into this thread and offer this pointlessly flawed “solution” without thinking it through. As if nobody else was capable of coming up with this suggestion in seconds, or that it wasn’t promptly dismissed for legitimate reasons. I would honestly be too embarrassed to operate this way in any discussion.
I dont believe that there is a problem in the first place. Go to lost shores if you want a challenge, lol.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Thieves. Highest dps, best ranged, fastest, perma stealth. Too opd right now.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
just wanted to ask.
in wvwvw, how do you tell if your opposing team is rolling with groups of players with full ascended gear? it’s not something you can tell by simply looking at a character.
tbh, it just sounds like a convenient excuse cos someone got roflstomped and had to blame something other than him/herself.
It’s pretty obvious.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Ranger is much much weaker now than it was in beta, and the pets are still bugged.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Prevent perma stealth by fixing culling.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Play naked if you feel too powerful.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
It would be nice to know why thieves have higher speed, better me lee and ranged dps and better condition attacks than do rangers, in addition to perma stealth?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Perma stealthing thieves. High dps and cannot be hit. I just alt f4 on them.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I think some people are doing the math wrong. A 0.5% increase in equipment stats across all equipment is still only a 0.5% increase in stats. Multiplication is distributive…
Even if you had 40 people in Exotics vs 40 people in Ascended, the power difference is still 0.5%.
item to item it’s more like a 20%+ improvement. the math you reference includes base stats in the denominator.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I’ve found the best way I can play Guild Wars 2 currently and not quit is to simply pretend that Ascended Gear and Fractals do not exist.
… This is what I have been doing and it has caused me to become very happy with this game lately.
Sadly, I can only do this for so long. Once I get my equipment to pretty looking dungeon exotics, my story finished, and map completion…
After I reach that point it is just sPvP and Fractal Dungeons for me, I guess. I don’t enjoy WvW as much as I do sPvP, so I rarely participate in WvW.
We are already seeing the effects of roaming ascended gear groups in wvwvw. It won’t be long until it’s mandatory to get this.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Those of us who hate fractals are now nearly a month behind the dungeon grinders to get the best gear
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Wait until she gets to 18 before doing anything….
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
45 minutes for me tonight and we were heavily outnumbered. i don’t get it.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Stats of +20-50% better per piece are not trivial increase. Last time I checked, fail is a verb too.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Whatever reason others Alt+F4 for I do it for one reason, I will not give a single honor badge to a thief class if I can help it. When that troll class starts crying about never getting badges in WvW Anet might do some fair adjustments (fair to the thief and their victims).
I agree with this. As long as they can exploit the culling bug, I will just alt f4 on them.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
If want great ranges damage then give up your stealth and portals. You can’t have everything.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Stop telling us that fractals are fun. Some of us hate them, some people find them fun. An absolute statement that people find them fun is misleading.
I’m just saying people find it fun, I didn’t say all find it fun. Some do some don’t. Point being, there are many people who play this game, they all find different aspects of it enjoyable.
Ok, so some people find them fun. We agree. We also agree that different players want different things. Some of are frustrated that because we hate dungeons we are 2 weeks behind the grinding curve…..and counting….
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Stop telling us that fractals are fun. Some of us hate them, some people find them fun. An absolute statement that people find them fun is misleading.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Hint: portals can be used in sieges. Mesmers don’t need anymore help.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
ANET needs to make the game solo friendly. Maybe they should look at GW1 for inspiration.
In what ways is GW2 NOT solo-friendly?
Dungeons.
I just don’t understand the mentality of people buying a game marketed as a massively multi-player online game and then complaining you can’t do everything solo.
Some of us see the value of other people in MMOs as more targets to kill.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I play the game about as much, and these forums are as bad or possibly worse than Diablo III’s forums. Congratulations.
Fractals are great, Southsun Cove has the best farming in the game, and with world completion done and my alt complex out of the way I’ve found a new love for my main; I have been making at least 20g a week for the last two weeks, had a reason to actually use the mats I’ve been hoarding (quiver), and have been doing a lot more dungeons.
I guess the difference is I play the games I have, not pine for the imaginary games that others want.
I found the fractals the worst gaming experience I’ve had in many years. I have yet to see when the benefits will be available outside fractals, and I am disappointed that anet invested so much in a facet of the game that I personally abhor.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I am currently forced to grind dungeons so that I don’t get curb stomped in WvWvW. They haven’t announced when I can get the much better gear outside of dungeon grinds. Until I see it live, my position won’t change.
No matter if you are BiS slot or not…
You are going to find there are people that are going to curbstomp you.
Class balance and player skill have a far greater impact on PvP then gear.
And there is never going to be class balance.
And there are going to always be players that are just flat out better players then you.
Just as there are going to be players you meet that you are going to curbstomp when you are lesser gear because you are better then them skill wise or your class has inherent advantages over them.
My point is that I don’t like playing at a clear gear deficit. What you think I need or how well you think I play are irrelevant. They are extraneous excuses meant to make me accept the overpowered gear that currently is only available through grinding. I don’t accept it, your opinions notwithstanding.
The OP asked a question. I answered it and provided my rationale. I am not here to argue what I NEED to enjoy a game. I know what I need.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Fix the culling bug, and perhaps will happen less often.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Oh that’s right, portals aren’t used in WvWvW?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Since when are portals useless?
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
My idea of progression is improving my game play, not grinding dungeons to get a piece of gear with 20-50% higher stats than my current piece.
What does that mean exactly?
Can you give me an example of what is meaningful progression to you.
WvWvW kills, accomplishments, server wins, server progression, for example. I hate gear progression where each new treadmill requires pve grinding.
What you list… how is that any of that different then what you already have?
And how did putting some new gear into the game prematurely (giving them credit that they are going to actually put alternative methods to get that gear at a later date) remove that from the game?
I am currently forced to grind dungeons so that I don’t get curb stomped in WvWvW. They haven’t announced when I can get the much better gear outside of dungeon grinds. Until I see it live, my position won’t change.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
My idea of progression is improving my game play, not grinding dungeons to get a piece of gear with 20-50% higher stats than my current piece.
What does that mean exactly?
Can you give me an example of what is meaningful progression to you.
WvWvW kills, accomplishments, server wins, server progression, for example. I hate gear progression where each new treadmill requires pve grinding.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
My idea of progression is improving my game play, not grinding dungeons to get a piece of gear with 20-50% higher stats than my current piece.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
20-50% higher stats per piece of gear definitely makes a big impact.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Too steep a gear grind to compete in WvWvW. I’d recommend dark age of Camelot for them, instead.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
I play mmos so that I can dress in female clothes.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.