Guild Wars 2

NO. Not after they introduced god-mode gear available only via dungeons.

fix culling bugs first, and perhaps people will stop using this exploit.

Esoteric.5490:

If you are saying they did something illegitimately again, please post proof. Vid or SS would be nice so we have actual reasons. If ICoa takes Bay, it isn’t alright to say that they hacked every time they take a keep.

Indo, tonight, Blackgate dines in Garrison. Also, which Asuran commander are you? The one in the CoF gear?

was posted several times already.

fix the culling bug, then we can discuss this.

Trials of Atlantis in Dark Age of Camelot – single biggest goof in history.

The Launch of Lolhammer. ANother Mythic classic!

Culling bugs can be best exploited by mesmers and thieves. that’s why they seem favored.

When I saw the backpacks even without infusions (which does have base stats) it was closer to 20% item to item. Just curious why I got infracted for saying the items side by side showed more than a 1% increase in total stats.

I keep seeing references to +1% when comparing exotic to ascended gear. WHen I review the respective backpacks, add up the stats and index ascendant to exotic, I arrive at over 20%. I recognize that if you use full base stats as the denominator, then it’s less, possibly 1%, but the claim that the items side by side only differ by 1% is misleading.

I have to give them credit for the time invested in this and the transparency, particularly admission of mistakes. Those all go a long way. Specifically, I appreciate the admission that in hindsight they should have made these items available in WvWvW and pve from day one. That’s been my biggest gripe.

They had better have worked over Thanksgiving to be prepared for this.

TWMagimay.9057:

Columba.9730:

my point is the systems requirements don’t make nearly the difference you are intimating and that you are using a red herring to justify gear grinds.

You ever pvped with 3fps vs smb who has 60 fps? When you do, come back and tell me how small the difference is. Also, I’m not justifying it, I’m saying it’s still a matter of choice. If gear made a big difference, people wouldn’t be pvping on lvl 1-40 chars in lvl 1-40 gear…

That’s like saying that breathing is a matter of choice. Sorry if you wish to enjoy a game that isn’t stacked against you, there is no choice.

Half quit because ANET introduced a gear treadmill. 90% of the rest are getting the mandatory top end gear by grinding fractals. a few of us are still out in pve and wvwvw.

Raincrow.1840:

mystaquetz.1746:

Raincrow, these types of players who think it’s “no big deal” to the casuals will get rude awakenings when they are in WvW and get the hammer dropped on them by enemies that DID get all that “no big deal” grind armors.

Exactly right. They can fix the situation by adding in further ways to get this gear, through WvW and Crafting…. but the longer they take the further they’re digging the hole.

Have fun with your puny exotic gear when you get one shotted in wvwvw from a gear grinder.

Go voice your opinions on online shopping sites. Like Amazon. ANet will get the message.

It’s clear that they are exploiting the culling/rendering bug, but ANET isn’t doing anything to fix it for WVWVW.

juiceman.2870:

Lets say there is no vertical progression. What then is the end game that keeps people playing? Without any better gear or items assuming people are wearing cool looking items what reason do they have to actually log in for end game?

WvWvW for me. I hate dungeon grinds.

Apparently it had nothing to do with the cash shop. I spent money with them. I hate dungeon grinds, so this is my reward.

Snype Cyclos.7391:

I just want to remind you that you’re angry at a few lines of code.

If you don’t like it, don’t get it. If you do like it, work for it. You have to remember that there are people in the game that do enjoy the challenge of the Fractals, and do deserve better gear for their progress. The game wasn’t just made for you. If you play a part of any game for a long time you expect a reward, and the ascended gear is that.

MMOs are a living game in the sense that the developers have to keep changing them in order to keep up with the player base, out of expectation of said players. When you buy an MMO, you sign up for a long haul. Single players games are fine with one arc because the player goes in knowing that once they’re done, they’re done. Sure, some companies now come out with DLC for their games, which is optional and not everybody enjoys, but that’s ok because they don’t HAVE to play it. You paid one time for the game that was released. Were there a subscription fee and you were forced to pay for content you’ll never use is one thing. Getting angry on the forums about a completely optional part of the game that you’re paying nothing for is a little silly.

Why should one playstyle get 20-50% higher stats? Lol @ we don’t have to get it. Personally, with 20-50% lower stats, I won’t enjoy getting curb stomped by grinding experts in wvwvw.

I went into the swampland fractal solo for 5 hours to get the vial of essence. I refuse to do any other fractals. I know I will get curb stomped in wvwvw once others get their uber gear, but by then I will have either quit or the items will be available in pve or wvwvw. I hate silly dungeons with a passion.

Ryth.6518:

Don’t agree.

Too many people here burned through the game and didn’t take their time. Meanwhile my friend and I both are only in our 50s and have been playing since Sept 25th. Play most nights and 2-3 hours. Been exploring and taking our time and enjoying the game.

I think overall too many people play MMOs way too much now and expect it to not only entertain them for endless hours, but fill whatever empty void they have with free time.

The game only requires 5 people to run the fractals. If you can’t find 5, then you need more friends or a better guild or transfer servers.

I think a lot of you should go back to the other MMO and try/see how green that grass is (and how bad the graphics are) for comparison.

The same complaints being voiced here are being voiced on the WoW forums in their own iterations. Too much grinding. Nothing to do at max level as a solo or small group player. Feels like a job and so on. Tired of running the same dungeons. Trinity fails, etc.

I didn’t like the recent content at all. I was quite happy before it released. Why on earth should I wait for even more grindy content? I don’t get it.

MrSilver.5269:

Thanks… And what does the stat jump look like? ~10%?

more. cannot recall but they were better than ascended.

MrSilver.5269:

they already accidentally showed the legendary gear stats. sorry, but you are incorrect.

Where did you see this? Link?

it was a bug last week. they quickly patched, but a few people saw the gear.

Okay, I’ve fully thought it through. My response is zero on everything. I loved the game as it was before the patch. I could actually enjoy wvwvw.

Silentstorm.7531:

Now why the hell couldn’t you read and comprehend that? That’s why i said this poll is incorrect because the poll options are biased and incorrect. Hell this is on THE MAIN PAGE. It’s not like you even need to google this which proves my point i been saying in every drama queen post you guys make. You don’t know wtf your talking about. And just don’t plainly read everything. So your pissed off on something not even best in slot good job drama queens.

You love gear grinds, we get it. He is correct, and the poll is completely valid. They haven’t given nearly enough information, and they already accidentally showed the legendary gear stats. sorry, but you are incorrect.

Carltonbanks.1754:

NaughtyProwler.8653:

Silentstorm.7531:

Oh and for the record I do vids on the fractals and literally show how much of a grind it ISN’T! It’s not hard takes moderate casual skill and you can do it slowly. I got 2 pieces doing 2 dungeons per day for the last 9 days. So people calling this a grind just plainly didn’t do it and assuming. It’s so easy it should actually get buffed so cut it out drama queens. Or you can try and fight facts fight the post you didn’t read and the vids I threw up barely trying on fractals. I am not a Anet fan boy I just don’t like lying or misinformed people and thats what is going on now.

You have a very different definition of what isn’t a grind compared to me.

So basically, your definition of a grind is anything that requires a modicum of effort?

Nope. ANything that requires repetitively doing activities that I don’t enjoy….such as dungeons.

TWMagimay.9057:

Columba.9730:

Flynch.6034:

Columba.9730:

TWMagimay.9057:

Equanox.2081:

That is such an annoying comment. If player A has better gear stats then player B then player A will always have an advantage over player B, no matter what class you play.

It doesn’t mean you WILL lose or that player A will ALWAYS win; just that there is an advantage and you want to be equal in wvwvw.

Yeah, and if player A has better PC and internet, player A will also have an advantage over player B. So, are you sending complaints to internet providers and hardware stores? Some people will always have some advantage over others. The question is, is it gamebreaking? This one isn’t. If people can pvp on lvl 40 chars in lvl 30ish gear, why can;t you pvp in lvl 80 exotic? I actually saw smb go from lvl 1 to lvl 80 without leaving wvwvw….and he was having tons of fun killing people…

Do the GW developers control ISP quality? Bad analogy.

The devs could just tear out the engine and we could play WvWvW on the Pong engine if you like – then everyone’s PC will be able to handle the engine at exceptionally high FPS. I’ll go ask the forum-goers and see if they like that idea.

Point being, plenty of things are out of dev control, plenty of things are within dev control. But the fundamental thing that affects WvWvW are the players themselves.

Can’t change them.

the gear grind is clearly within their control.

So are the min system requirements. Your point?

my point is the systems requirements don’t make nearly the difference you are intimating and that you are using a red herring to justify gear grinds.

xiv.7136:

Gehenna.3625:

TL;DR Adding gear progression took away the forgiving attitude people had towards other flaws in the game. Now people reassess and find GW2 lacking as a gear progression game.

That’s because GW2 is not a gear progression game.

3% difference in stats is utterly meaningless, it’s pretty much just a vanity item.

People who cry so hard about this just can’t do maths properly.

Try your math again, son. It’s 20-50% higher stats, without infusion.

Flynch.6034:

Columba.9730:

TWMagimay.9057:

Equanox.2081:

That is such an annoying comment. If player A has better gear stats then player B then player A will always have an advantage over player B, no matter what class you play.

It doesn’t mean you WILL lose or that player A will ALWAYS win; just that there is an advantage and you want to be equal in wvwvw.

Yeah, and if player A has better PC and internet, player A will also have an advantage over player B. So, are you sending complaints to internet providers and hardware stores? Some people will always have some advantage over others. The question is, is it gamebreaking? This one isn’t. If people can pvp on lvl 40 chars in lvl 30ish gear, why can;t you pvp in lvl 80 exotic? I actually saw smb go from lvl 1 to lvl 80 without leaving wvwvw….and he was having tons of fun killing people…

Do the GW developers control ISP quality? Bad analogy.

The devs could just tear out the engine and we could play WvWvW on the Pong engine if you like – then everyone’s PC will be able to handle the engine at exceptionally high FPS. I’ll go ask the forum-goers and see if they like that idea.

Point being, plenty of things are out of dev control, plenty of things are within dev control. But the fundamental thing that affects WvWvW are the players themselves.

Can’t change them.

the gear grind is clearly within their control.

TWMagimay.9057:

Equanox.2081:

That is such an annoying comment. If player A has better gear stats then player B then player A will always have an advantage over player B, no matter what class you play.

It doesn’t mean you WILL lose or that player A will ALWAYS win; just that there is an advantage and you want to be equal in wvwvw.

Yeah, and if player A has better PC and internet, player A will also have an advantage over player B. So, are you sending complaints to internet providers and hardware stores? Some people will always have some advantage over others. The question is, is it gamebreaking? This one isn’t. If people can pvp on lvl 40 chars in lvl 30ish gear, why can;t you pvp in lvl 80 exotic? I actually saw smb go from lvl 1 to lvl 80 without leaving wvwvw….and he was having tons of fun killing people…

Do the GW developers control ISP quality? Bad analogy.

Lost it when frectals launched.

I guess if you enjoy getting curb stomped in WvWvW, the near gear isn’t mandatory, lol.

they manufactured a gap where one didn’t exist as an excuse to create a gear grind.

too many people grinding the fractal garbage. the game is ruined now.

I used to WvWvW, now I grind for mats for the new, mandatory, backpack.

These ANET guys better have prepared for this, or all is lost. I would have made them skip Thanksgiving Holiday to prepare for this AMA discussion.

So after the 30th time, people still enjoy these fractals? Lol. Ok.

Thanks. The lynx head hit it and no tool tip came up. So i had to click around, lol.

I have a lynx as the first land pet on the list, and I cannot seem to change it out. There is no arrow to select a new pet. ANy ideas?

Lifelike.5862:

Memnoch.2589:

So Arena Net promised not to add better dungeons or gear? Meaning once you hit 80 zero progression at all?

Yep. And some people actually think that’s a good idea. Kind of sad, really.

Some people lacked the ability to find things to do at 80. there was plenty of progression. It didn’t require mindless dungeon grinding. I think that’s much sadder – that people wanted the hamster wheel.

Naoko.7096:

dalendria.3762:

Does this appeal to you?

Colin Johanson, Arenanet Lead Content Designer on GW2 Approach to Gear:

“The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”

This is an approach to gear based on stat cap and differentiators based on cosmetics not stats. Arenanet said many times pre and post launch that they would have max stat gear and any new gear would be same stats but different looks. Arenanet explained that Exotics represented the max stat gear. They have many different Exotics with different looks and degrees of difficulty to obtain (easy to longer/harder). Many of us read their marketing and bought the product because they said it would not be based on “gear” progression mechanics.

How would you feel if you bought WOW and 3 months later they removed raids to appeal to their more “casual” players?

Their manifesto looks like it’s some of you who are the ones misinterpreting. >_<

“The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best.”

The rarest items at the moment and before the 15th November, is the “legendary tier”. Before the 15th, they have the same stats as the exotic. After the 15th, they have the same stats as the ascended. They still have sticked to their manifesto that their legendary tier is not above the stats of ascended, which is the current max stats item. Remember that it only apply to the “rarest”, nor “rarer”. That means it’ll only apply to the rarest tier, the legendary.

If it’s what some of the “rage players” interpreted, then there won’t be any needs for the five tiers of basic to exotic in the beginning. The game would only offer you one tier with the same stats for the whole gameplay during launch.

“We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional”

There… they had said it. This means, they’ve intended to make it, but it’s optional. Unlike most mmorpgs, you must have gear X to experience content X. In gw2, you can experience all 100% contents with any gear tier without a problem of being gated.

In my perspective, I interpreted it this way. >_<
I mean… why would players go after max stats when they can play the game (not gated from any fun content) with any tiers? It’s a part of human nature. People automatically go after the best stuffs. It really shows in their heart, they really like to chase after the best gears. This is why the game has to have this kind of progression to keep players anticipated and increase their player online concurrency.

Unless you enjoy getting curb stomped in wvwvw, it’s not optional. 20-50% better stats aren’t optional. they are mandatory, and the ONLY way to get them now is to grind dungeons, which many of us hate.

Shidoshi.4197:

Human beings have an inherent need to compete, it’s part of why we exist. Without struggle of some kind, in some form, you become complacent (regressive). We don’t reward all olympic athletes with gold medals because there needs to be something that seperates those who have acheived a higher level of performance from those who haven’t. We don’t call gold medalists “elitists” do we? On top of recieving medals, they get endorsements, publicity and all kinds of cash and prizes. That’s what drives them to compete.

Most games by their very nature promote competition in some form. You won’t sustain many players if they feel like everything is easy/reachable by the lowest common denominator. Even if they enjoy the content, eventually they’ll move on after becoming bored.

I see the term “fun” thrown around a lot. Well, a lot of people have “fun” through being competative, directly and/or indirectly. Gear stats provide a tangible benefit to people in game, which is why they have always been so valued.

I’m not arguing for or against the recent changes Anet made to the game, but I understand why.

I like to compete against other people, not against dungeon grinds.

I disagree with the OP entirely. The fractals are populated primarily because people have to do them now to get their gear. once you’ve done a few, they are repetitive.

Zeros across the board for me.

I agree. This fulsome patch has wrecked this game.

Pustulio.8207:

Columba.9730:

Pustulio.8207:

Seriously, everyone needs to go do something else. This is getting really old, really fast. You keep complaining about “Gear-Treadmill”, but, what if Anet makes alternate methods to acquire “ascended” gear?. What if they make it so you can get an “ascended” weapon by putting 4 exotic weapons of the same type into the forge. Considering all the stats are built in, the chances of getting what you want are pretty low. So what do you do with it?. You put it on the TP. Since it’s “game-wide”, there will be a flood of “ascended” gear up for grabs, and the more there are, the cheaper they will BE. How hard did you have to “Grind” to buy the gear off the TP. If you’re like me, and have a lot of gold just sitting in the bank, then, not very hard. And, what if they add MORE ways. What if the add a way to get them through “crafting”?, or drops from “World Boss” chests??. The point is, we (which includes YOU) have NO IDEA what their plans are. So, if you gotta cry, then cry up a storm. Just don’t expect anyone to really care.

why haven’t they made alternative paths available by now>

You seem to have missed the point, so, I’ll say it again (this time in caps.). WE (THAT INCLUDES YOU) HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE. We don’t know KITTEN. For all we know, they could be planning something. But, like I SAID, if you HAVE to CRY, then do so. That’s your right as a player, after all. Just don’t forget: “We know NOTHING”

so if their credo is that multiple paths will be available, why again aren’t these items available via multiple paths? Pray tell.

Pustulio.8207:

Seriously, everyone needs to go do something else. This is getting really old, really fast. You keep complaining about “Gear-Treadmill”, but, what if Anet makes alternate methods to acquire “ascended” gear?. What if they make it so you can get an “ascended” weapon by putting 4 exotic weapons of the same type into the forge. Considering all the stats are built in, the chances of getting what you want are pretty low. So what do you do with it?. You put it on the TP. Since it’s “game-wide”, there will be a flood of “ascended” gear up for grabs, and the more there are, the cheaper they will BE. How hard did you have to “Grind” to buy the gear off the TP. If you’re like me, and have a lot of gold just sitting in the bank, then, not very hard. And, what if they add MORE ways. What if the add a way to get them through “crafting”?, or drops from “World Boss” chests??. The point is, we (which includes YOU) have NO IDEA what their plans are. So, if you gotta cry, then cry up a storm. Just don’t expect anyone to really care.

why haven’t they made alternative paths available by now>

God mode. Working as intended.

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

The real question begs, how long before we start to see in-game protests? Like my signature states, I’ve seen games with alot less problems have many many players protest such as EvE and this is very effective in getting developers to actually listen to the players, because lets face it ~ most developers are pretty arrogant sometimes, the famous story of a certain ‘developer’ having a Monday morning staff meetings to discuss forum suggestions, or should I say laugh at them?

Just go flood the ecommerce sites with negative reviews. just before the holidays, they will have a big impact. If they see their Holiday sales miss expectations, someone will get fired, and the game will improve direction.

StormGryffen.7638:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

StormGryffen.7638:

Columba.9730:

No, it will not end well. YOu cannot alienate your most loyal customers and keep operating. RUle #1 of any business.

I keep seeing language like this being thrown around. A lot. While this statement is on its surface true, how are you more representative of the loyal customer base than the folks still happily playing the game and who do not feel alienated? It would seem a contradiction, because those players are, after all, being some measure more “loyal,” if such a thing were to be measured, or at least it would seem so, right?

Please . . . don’t get into a system of trying to measure loyalty . . . THAT is something that never ends well because then you get people saying they’re the TRUE fans because of A, while a bunch of other people say THEY are the REAL fans because they oppose A.

They both care about the game, and disagree vehemently on one point. They are both loyal to the game, but not in agreement.

I apologize. I now recognize the bad taste in the question. Its only that I see two or three people acting like they’re the exclusive loyal playerbase and it flies in the face of logic to me. I’ve conceded before and I’ll concede again that there are some good points to be made about the criticism regarding changes inherent in the recent update, I suppose I’ve just made myself wary of all the heavy-handedness by reading these forums too long. I’ll delete the post, and I hope that no one will take the question personally.

I refer to the people who stayed loyal to GW1 and purchased this game based on what was promised. Not the people who had no idea what the game promised, no experience with GW1 and asked the game to be something other than what it was. I consider the former brand loyalists.

Yet, they didn’t change the specs post purchase.