Guild Wars 2

I like my hair. Long golden locks of lovely hair blowing every so slightly by the wind as I release arrow after arrow…

Seriously, no bull kitten Jimmy.

Lettuce.2945:

Crapgame.6519:

SqualZell.7813:

Earix.5684:

FrouFrou.4958:

Justine.6351:

I’m still happy with druid, maybe I am broken ;-(

Same, I’m the happiest I have ever been! Sure there are things that are wonky/bugged/I wish they would do X instead of Y but I’m not going to slit my wrists over it. I also find it funny you can’t say a single positive comment about Hot/Druid without getting labelled as a white knight and stoned to death.

Being happy doesn’t mean that the specialization is fine.

I’m also happy but not blinded. I mainly play WvW in a 15 or 20 format (GvG or GvZerg) and here, you can see most of the current druid problems:
- Generation being based on ticks instead of value healed + no generation on full HP targets + burst healing skills (required in WvW) = broken generation model
- No out-of-combat natural AF generation + no way to precharge it out-of-combat + respawn with 0 AF (while you get full AF in sPvP?!) = broken resource mechanic

Keep in mind that in WvW (with a 15/20 group) you have to heal fast, for big and as soon as the fight begins. You can’t start the fight with 0 AF. You have to top your teammates’ health fast. I’m still happy because it’s “playable” with workarounds but also unhappy because of how broken the resource mechanic is.

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Anyway, adding a 5% per sec AF generation while out of combat would be a step towards something less broken (20 sec to full). Even a 2.5% would be fine (40 sec to full).

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Next step would be: transforming the generation model from per tick to per value.

Now that we have to play druid with this poorly thought resource model, at least let’s make it right. Silence or delusion won’t help.

I have been playing healer for 17 years in a lot of different MMOs. It’s the first time I see such a badly built resource system on a healer. They got it right in their previous game, how can they be so wrong in this one?

they can be so wrong in this one because they created a game with no healer in mind and then added a healer class without changing the healerless core game.

Actually, both of these statements are true. To Earix’s point in WvW. I’m not sure if it is the format of play that is broke or the Druid and other class mechanics that are. I know you mentioned G vs. G or G vs. Zerg but from a duo vs. X, scouting, or 5 person HAVOC the overall Druid design is wonky. And to me, it all centers around the Druid and what is its roll vs. other classes. Is it a supporting class? If so, then the issue is around generating and sustaining the primary supporting tool which is Astral Force – or it is at least in my opinion.

Which then leads me to Squal’s comment about the Druid healing being added to a game that didn’t have primary roles implemented upon launch. In short – primary healing or tanking when it wasn’t originally intended or designed (note – maybe it was but never really launched or implemented much like that of ascended gear (or so they say, right))?

Personally I have been trying to find a build and armor set that works for the play style I enjoy out in WvW. That is solo, duo, or 5 man HAVOC that scouts, flips camps, and engaged Zergs from the backline. WvW is a CC and stability mess right now and finding a balance without sounding like a whiney winch is proving rather difficult. Trying to CC / Root, healing, and all around providing the “primary” supporting role is a tough nut to crack. In this case I don’t care about damage but rather focus on the party and keeping them alive while “they” finish off the target.

So yeah – I think it is a design and balance issue even though I continue to play and try. 2016 will be interesting because that is the tentative launch of Camelot Unchained. Will be interesting to see what they offer because RvR is what I’m interested in which is what WvW is similar too. If they get half of it done right I can see most, if not all, of the WvW player base moving potentially.

You honestly still can’t figure out a build? Sounds like a build issue to me.

Comfort build, no. Build/player issue, if that is what you mean, probably. Pre-HOT had two solid sPvP builds I’d run with a single WvW build. Happy. Post HoT PvE it doesn’t matter. Druid WvW, well, not found one yet.

It isn’t the build per say, but trying it out, setting up the armor, runes, sigils, and food with the associated cost. So cost is probably the whiney part. sPvP doesn’t really translate equally but still a good place to test stuff cheap.

Kondra.3860:

@anduriell.6280
Hi, I stumbled upon your topic. If you are experienced ranger and understand druid mechanics, I would recommend you to run this build.
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAsXWn0rCtqgFsC2sCEtil9ADOueX3rL3uAwojZgFwGBp8swMVE-TxRBABWcKAua/R53paCwTPAAPBAKV/xMlgkCwv9WA-e

If for some reasons you need more heal, you could try something like this.
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAsXWnMqAtqgFsC2sCEtiFGBD+pWVzqOfugVTjJc9tCAp8hwMVE-TxRBABWcKAua/R53paCwTPAAPBAKV/xMlgkCwv9WA-e

For dungeons and raids both of those are fine. However, he also had WvW tagged and I don’t think running full zerk is wise… You are not a guardian.

That isn’t the type of leader board I’m talking about. WvW has a ranking system although it is skewed by boosts and Edge of the Mist. Leader boards, for those familiar with DaOC, list all characters, guilds, and alliances and search capable. The main portal lists the top 25 players weekly to include alliances, guilds, and classes.

The leader board you listed is not very good if I must speak truthfully and has very little detail. My point is that Arena Net already has the data they just need to present it in ways that are meaningful and fun. What was linked or that most of us already know pales in comparison to other MMO or Player vs. Player games.

Edit: Note that leaderboards or ranks, if you want them to mean anything, must be pertinent to the format of play. They can’t be tainted by other maps and/or boosts. Example the Dragon Finisher. When you see it you know the person who did the finisher is rank 80 in sPvP. Could mean a grind, could mean they are good and/or above average. But you knew what it meant. Today when I see a silver or platinum enemy in WvW I just shrug it off since it doesn’t mean anything just like the abilities that are gained by them. Just a thought.

Hi Diku – a lot of effort went into your thread. I applaud you for taking the time, effort, and attention to detail. If nothing comes from it I only can hope Arena Net, as a company, sees how much some people care about the format of play. I think that is very important for them to look at and what I think is often misunderstood.

I’ll also agree with the person, forget their name, who said they paid $100 dollars for the expansion (yes, we could have paid basic 50 bucks) for something so lack luster. I’ll add to the fact that since the expansion has come out my play time has been maybe 25% of what it was pre expansion pack and the reason is Druid, Rev, WvW, and the whole mastery system vs. maps. In addition to that means no gem purchases nor any of my 3 children whom play asked Santa for gem cards (this is a first!). So, take that for what it is worth.

My point I guess is that server pride and playing with friends is a tough nut to crack. A bit of back ground I come from a game that started the WvW format of play, DaOC. I played that up through Trials of Atlantis in which I completed all 10 master levels. If any of you have played that I think you can see what happened once they introduced PvE to a PvP centric game And how the master levels impacted those who had master levels, how high, and their impact on RvR – roams to zergs. GW2 has similar issues more so around:

1. Server populations
2. Wall clock coverage 24×7
3. Wonky match-ups that some servers just can’t go any higher – stale week after week
4. Balance – traits being neutered between formats of play

I believe you covered and discussed my concerns which is why I believe you are at least raising a very important topic one can only hope gets attention. Some of the things I’d like to see addressed, if not mentioned in your thread(s) is:

1. GW2 game wide player portal that focuses on WvW. List top guilds, players, and of course by class. Top 25 or 50 is fine, search yields the rest. Weekly, resets monthly or so. This gives players bragging rights and could help the overall server pride dilemma and creates a ladder if you will. Can also list other basic stats such as kills, deaths, type of death (fall, height) among other things. Get creative, make it fun, people will play.

2. Alliances. This could help somewhat with the server populations. You can already join x number of guilds. Expand the format and make it an alliance. Restrict to one though. Alliances can portal to server the alliance is created on. Plain and simple, allows small guilds or servers to recruit and gain players. Also creates some political drama.

3. Remove EoTM map. Great idea but it really isn’t anything more than a place to gain karma, WvW ranks, and level alts. Honestly, the bill of goods that was originally sold missed the boat in that it was a sand box for change. Well, if truth be told you are removing a good portion of the WvW player base by having this map. In fact, it actually dilutes any WvW accomplishments such as ranks.

4. Fix obsidian sanctum. Great idea having the jump puzzles. Great mechanics with traps and rewards. However change has destroyed them. You removed requirement for map complete, removed the placement of siege, and finally made it an area with an arena (good intent) but not much happens past that turn. I don’t get this map at all anymore and what kills me is that you spent money on it to begin with

5. Swap new BL map(s) with EBG and replace old maps. Some servers can, others can’t, field players in both places. Something we, Ebay, are facing now. DH can field 2 70 person raids and we can field 25 at best. Point is, BL maps are too big and it needs to change. If it was me I would swap the maps around and replace like I mentioned but the change is all players must enter the BL map first. That is the only entrance to WvW. Passing through BL map, taking supply camps, then through main gate to new map. Passage, control, choke points. All maps have activity because to get to the new, you must first pass through old. And the roamers, scouts, HAVOC, and other players can maneuver through BL’s to aid and add value. Think of it as supply chain. Just a thought.

In summary – like what you are thinking there OP. It needs attention and I’d support the changes. Just need some more discussion on server and/or player pride.

jewishjoyride.4693:

What is the value of having the tip of your staff light up? How does this help SNIP

To see in the dark?

I don’t know, throw me a bone – just a SWAG.

Couple reasons why WvW is failing. Lack of attention, money, priorities, balance, and the biggest reason, no competition. I should bold that but whatever.

World vs. World is a unique beast and several games tried to copy what DaOC did with R v R. In short, all games since have failed and will continue to do so. That is, unless they are only PvP oriented games. Simple fact of the matter is that you really can’t balance a PvP game when there is PvE content. Or, vise versa. DaOC failed when they tried to introduce PvE – Trials of Atlantis. No different here whereas you have PvE, WvW, and sPvP.

On the lack of competition, the developers get complacent. HoT is rather interesting and entertaining but the new WvW maps should have replaced EBG and let the original borderland maps stay. Force players to enter in borderlands and pass through gaining supplies and other things then enter the new “single” map Helps large and small guilds – also helps roamers, scouts, havoc. But no, we have 3 huge maps that most ignore.

Don’t get us all started with population balance across the server tiers. Truth be told, DaOC had the same thing with servers – population, and class population. Complex nut. What DaOC had that GW2 doesn’t is:

1. Incentive to RvR
2. Alliances
3. Risk
4. Reward
5. Camelot Herald (player, class, server, alliance, and guild statistics)

GW2 – well, has pretty much nothing of the sort. Yes, it is fun. But at the end of the day when you look at what they offer for PvE, and then sPvP, compare that to WvW, well, it comes up short. You know it is an issue when the exp pack releases and dailies still include tasks from the maps no longer available

Isn’t attention to detail a kitten?

SqualZell.7813:

Earix.5684:

FrouFrou.4958:

Justine.6351:

I’m still happy with druid, maybe I am broken ;-(

Same, I’m the happiest I have ever been! Sure there are things that are wonky/bugged/I wish they would do X instead of Y but I’m not going to slit my wrists over it. I also find it funny you can’t say a single positive comment about Hot/Druid without getting labelled as a white knight and stoned to death.

Being happy doesn’t mean that the specialization is fine.

I’m also happy but not blinded. I mainly play WvW in a 15 or 20 format (GvG or GvZerg) and here, you can see most of the current druid problems:
- Generation being based on ticks instead of value healed + no generation on full HP targets + burst healing skills (required in WvW) = broken generation model
- No out-of-combat natural AF generation + no way to precharge it out-of-combat + respawn with 0 AF (while you get full AF in sPvP?!) = broken resource mechanic

Keep in mind that in WvW (with a 15/20 group) you have to heal fast, for big and as soon as the fight begins. You can’t start the fight with 0 AF. You have to top your teammates’ health fast. I’m still happy because it’s “playable” with workarounds but also unhappy because of how broken the resource mechanic is.

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Anyway, adding a 5% per sec AF generation while out of combat would be a step towards something less broken (20 sec to full). Even a 2.5% would be fine (40 sec to full).

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Next step would be: transforming the generation model from per tick to per value.

Now that we have to play druid with this poorly thought resource model, at least let’s make it right. Silence or delusion won’t help.

I have been playing healer for 17 years in a lot of different MMOs. It’s the first time I see such a badly built resource system on a healer. They got it right in their previous game, how can they be so wrong in this one?

they can be so wrong in this one because they created a game with no healer in mind and then added a healer class without changing the healerless core game.

Actually, both of these statements are true. To Earix’s point in WvW. I’m not sure if it is the format of play that is broke or the Druid and other class mechanics that are. I know you mentioned G vs. G or G vs. Zerg but from a duo vs. X, scouting, or 5 person HAVOC the overall Druid design is wonky. And to me, it all centers around the Druid and what is its roll vs. other classes. Is it a supporting class? If so, then the issue is around generating and sustaining the primary supporting tool which is Astral Force – or it is at least in my opinion.

Which then leads me to Squal’s comment about the Druid healing being added to a game that didn’t have primary roles implemented upon launch. In short – primary healing or tanking when it wasn’t originally intended or designed (note – maybe it was but never really launched or implemented much like that of ascended gear (or so they say, right))?

Personally I have been trying to find a build and armor set that works for the play style I enjoy out in WvW. That is solo, duo, or 5 man HAVOC that scouts, flips camps, and engaged Zergs from the backline. WvW is a CC and stability mess right now and finding a balance without sounding like a whiney winch is proving rather difficult. Trying to CC / Root, healing, and all around providing the “primary” supporting role is a tough nut to crack. In this case I don’t care about damage but rather focus on the party and keeping them alive while “they” finish off the target.

So yeah – I think it is a design and balance issue even though I continue to play and try. 2016 will be interesting because that is the tentative launch of Camelot Unchained. Will be interesting to see what they offer because RvR is what I’m interested in which is what WvW is similar too. If they get half of it done right I can see most, if not all, of the WvW player base moving potentially.

Vox Hollow.2736:

Nice to see somebody else rocking the druid shoulders, OP
Those are tricky to find things to pair with.

Nice job.

Of course I can’t help but ask your little Asura if that helm causes a lot of drag or maybe gets caught on things running around the map exploring…

That is actually a good point about the ‘hard-slog’. If it is fun, and feels right, it really isn’t a grind, right? I think I’m somewhere in the 40 something range playing it here and there.

Sometimes you get on a roll and stay longer. Others, the wait time can get in the way. Still, congrats and good data for those looking for an estimate or idea of what they could be looking at. Can’t go wrong with more data/numbers

Grats.

Any boosts, PvP weekends, etc?

And people say gw2 isn’t a grind

Tragic Positive.9356:

If anyone likes that hybrid playstyle, give it a thought and adjust it for your own benefit. For the rest – don’t try it at home. It’s not meta.

I’d be tempted to give this a go out in WvW but the double melee can be difficult to master. Especially coming from using the LB for a while. Range, while nice, becomes a crutch over time

Holland.9351:

The silence on WvW forum is much worse.

Camelot Unchained can’t come soon enough…

Prophet.1584:

this is most likely how i’m going to gear my druid, I’ve been working on an engi for raiding and that was going to be my raid toon only. I think I may make my ranger my raid toon and craft exotics for PvE. it seems like everyone wants ppl in ascended for raiding.

Interesting point – but they will never know one is wearing what level of gear.

I think most people try and gear accordingly especially for more formal raids though and see the point you are raising.

Kazi’s build – here is the URL.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/PvE-WvW-Bleed-druid/first#post5742608

Bleeds and CC comes to mind. In fact, I believe someone posted a build specifically for the Druid with short bow. Let me see if I bookmarked it.

Rym.1469:

Minstrel’s gear tends to be even more expensive than Zealot’s, has less healing and more toughness than Cleric’s, you barely make use of that Boon duration as Druid and has no offensive stats whatsoever. This gear was meant to be most likely for boon-heavy supports like Revenant, Tempest since they get best value off that Boon Duration.

But since it has Toughness instead of Power, it’s rather poor choice for anyone.

Makes sense when you put it that way.

So…is there a general consensus here?

To me it almost seems that Celestial armor is ideal and use weapons, rings, accessories, and neck to fill in the gaps. That is if you already have it.

Otherwise it is hit or miss until the changes steady out and go for exotics. And that sounds like Clerics or something so I guess I’m not sure. I was actually going to build a set of Minstrel but that is on hold.

Curring.9752:

The less healing power and toughness you have, the more AF you generate. If you spam sources of Regen and use SotW you’re going to generate AF much faster than if you focus on healing skills that heal for more. That in itself is a massive design flaw no matter how you look at it.

You should have bolded that. Somehow I don’t think someone is getting it.

vespers.1759:

I hope i never get some of you in a raid. There is literally no reason for a druid to run nomad’s or clerics. Their DPS DOES help and if every other kitten class can run a glass build including condi ranger there’s no excuses for a druid to not do the same.

Running zealot’s in no way affects your ability to heal or give party buffs. You also contribute far far more by doing some dps while you heal.

As for alternatives, there aren’t any that are good. Everything else is just subpar. run cleric’s until you can get zealots and never touch nomad’s.

What about Minstrel’s – seems that is something the devs hinted at. At least on the staff stat options when given the staff. I don’t know, just wondering why all these stats are in the game if not required. What are they for (serious question)?

How is Minstrel’s fitting in or is that too much toughness?

Try generating a steady state of AF in WvW…

Raid, NPC, inanimate object is one thing. Trying to do things in a duo, trio, HAVOC squad, or even later a Zerg with CC and stuff flying around it has been difficult to get a steady state of AF.

It is a lot like the lag on a car with a turbo…mash the foot on the gas and you wait for it to spool up. Not like a super charger where it is instant.

Substance E.4852:

Retsuko.2035:

But in certain content like WvW, which is the main reason I made a druid it is an awful change.

Look on the bright side, in a another few months there won’t be enough people playing WvW for it to matter anyway.

Hoping Camelot Unchained gets it right for this very reason.

GW2 is a pretty game. Has some nice potential. Not sure what happened since retail to now. I’m still pondering the loss of potential with the obsidian sanctum jump puzzle or interaction with WvW in general.

StickerHappy.8052:

sevenDEADLY.5281:

I’m 100% aware nothing I say will change how anyone here thinks or acts. This is the internet after all.

I’ve been on these forums reading silently for years and it never changes. Every time there’s even a slight nerf there’s an outpouring of trolls who act like someone from anet has come to their home and personally spat on them. “A slap across the face!” and what not. So ridiculous, how detached from reality must a person be to actually believe people making balance changes for a video game have a personal vendetta out for them.

These same people will 100% ignore anything positive they get though. They’d rather hyperexaggerate the reality of the game to lobby for outrageous buffs for their class of choice, while simultaneously calling for nerfs to everything else.

You use to be able to the forums to get productive and beneficial information about the class, but now its almost entirely pages upon pages of either the same exact topic in 20 forum threads of people whining, or people declaring they’ve “quit the game for good this time and I mean it!” when everyone knows they haven’t.

I get your point, but the thing is you cant filter out hyperboles here. But the aggravating part is that (which most of you will agree with me, including you) is the lack of tweaks for the ranger class. Even just the pet.

3 years.. You cant even save pet names.. How hard can that be? But when it comes to nerfs.. 24 hours is all it takes.

Forums can be toxic. If that is what Seven is trying to say, I’d agree. But as you pointed out a lot of the current banter is because of the constant change. Someone said it here, or maybe another thread, that they get that strange feeling every time they see the “new build message in 10 minutes” message. What are they going to do to the Druid this time…

Meh – whatever, it is just a game.

sevenDEADLY.5281:

Well no, to be fair, most of the druid community is in the game, enjoying it. Most are probably like I was; silently reading the forums. The forums are and always will be a minority of the actual playerbase. Lately however, it seems to be a very paranoid, very “pitchforking” as someone else so eloquently put it, minority.

Probably because of the constant changes, you think?

Or do you honestly believe they have nothing better to do than create threads bashing the publisher and developers. No, they are probably tired of the constant patching which includes documented and undocumented changes bugs or not. Not sure why you are having an issue with that concept.

sevenDEADLY.5281:

Crapgame.6519:

To your second question about is it unplayable. Actually, it is outside of sPvP and WvW.

Thats a quote FROM YOU. How is that putting words in your mouth? Unless the English language changed suddenly, you just said Druid is unplayable outside of spvp and wvw.

Context Seven, context. Do you craft for gear in sPvP? You pick rune, sigil, neck. Static map, players. Bigger picture with the wall of text above and below the comment. Rapid change or patching makes it difficult to build and/or craft.

If you are happy with the constant patching and adjustments – more power to you.

sevenDEADLY.5281:

“White Knight” <— this is a term you throw at someone when they don’t agree with you and you have no actual tangible argument against what they’re saying. Sort of like the opposite end of the spectrum if someone were to call you a “forum whining scrub” without actually saying anything towards the argument at hand.

And already here two people trying to argue that Druids are bad are in complete and absolute contradiction of one another. Crapgame claims druids are good in spvp and wvw but horrible in pve. Stickerhappy claims pve is easy and EVERYONE should be great in pve but that apparently druids are really bad in spvp. So which is it?

And the only fact I need to know is that while you troll the forums all day attacking anyone who says druid’s are actually viable and no way near the unplayable, broken, bug infested, give me all the buffs I want class you pretend to claim it is, I’m over here enjoying mine with absolute success in pve and pvp.

Just as fast as anet can “knee jerks” balancing, you’re sure to be on the forums “knee jerking” some “They’re out to get me and my class! THEY DON’T RESPECT ME!!!!!” bs forum post. I mean seriously “They don’t respect us?” You want christmas card this year from them? You think its some personal slight against you that a balance change goes the other way and not in your favor? Get a grip on reality man.

Seven, please do not put words in my mouth. If you are going to quote me or say I said something, please try and be somewhat accurate. Fair? You can go back and read what I said, it is right there for all of us.

I asked are other classes getting as many hot fixes or patches as the Druid. I alluded to the constant change due to the lack of external testing and one beta weekend. I also said sPvP, Raids, HoT expansion, and WvW are also factors. It is my opinion. Maybe it is just a complex class and/or design since Healing was not really part of the original launch just like raids are not. Design issue? Who knows.

You asked if it is unplayable. No, it isn’t. I still play it. But if you ask me is it frustrating, then yes. It is very frustrating. Not because I am mad or throwing a hissy fit but because it is difficult and costly to change builds around a “moving or changing” mechanic. Thus my comment about exotics, accessories, armor, crafting, stats, etc.

Maybe let it roll off like a drop of water off a ducks back and wait. Let the dust settle then craft or purchase something. Maybe that is the right idea. Druids and healing really isn’t necessary for the first Raid boss anyway. But it would be nice to try the support Druid in Raids and in WvW.

Just my take on it.

Probably too busy playing Tomb Raider or Fallout 4…

sevenDEADLY.5281:

Since we’re going to make ludicrously wild exaggerations; do you believe the ranger class is the worst class in the game, FAR beyond worse than anything else, nigh unplayable and that anyone who attempts to play one can’t complete anything in any game mode?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Exaggerate? Was there more than one Beta Weekend for the Druid? Right, pretty much what I thought too.

Are there documented, and undocumented, changes to the Druid as recently as last night? Was there a patch prior to that no more than a 24 to 48 hours earlier?

Look, if you are happy, great. That doesn’t take away from the fact there are constant changes to the Druid that are more than likely due to it being publicly played for one weekend. Furthermore, there are now other HoT changes, WvW, sPvP, and now raids that will further complicate the balancing act. Is it a healer, is it a sustain healer, is it a burst healer, what gear is best, no +heal, lots of +heal, what sigils, runes, or armor….

Yeah, you want to invest now in a raid set of armor, accessories, runes, and sigils? Go for it. Personally I would wait because the changes happen fast and furious whether we both agree on the pace or not. They are happening and it is a pretty wide swing each and every time. How does one generate astral force and at what rate appears to be the magic question and focus.

To your second question about is it unplayable. Actually, it is outside of sPvP and WvW. Currency, regardless of what type, is necessary to buy, gear, or craft for the Druid. With the constant change it makes it a money pit even if you are crafting exotics. You want minstrels? Ok, sure. How many air craft parts is that going to cost you. Ascended? Might as well say 500 per piece. See the pattern?

Ok, maybe you will wait. Maybe gearing isn’t necessary for the first raid boss, neither is a druid really. Are we a bit over the top with saying the sky is falling? Probably a little.

But show me, or the forum, any other class that has been patched as frequently then we’ll talk.

Seven Deadly….so you believe everything is golden bombs of light and love with just one Beta Weekend? You don’t see anything wrong with daily and/or nightly patching specifically for the Druid among other things?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Camelot Unchained can’t come soon enough. At least that will give the WvW players something to do. PvE – I’d suggest just go back to WoW and be done with it. GW2 had huge potential but somewhere along the long totally lost focus.

Dumb question but before you start T1 don’t you have to have the proper mastery for legendary or whatever it is called?

Ditch the Druid and pick up the medic / first aid kits near said Sentry. You will be better off.

Druid is dead. Once we saw only one beta weekend we knew it was going to be an up hill battle.

Honestly, this sort of constant change supports the theory that the game wasn’t designed to support any type of healing stat or mechanic.

Run berserker, learn to dodge, or go home.

Seems rather ironic but that is the game mechanic in a nutshell outside of condition clearing or playing Dress Up Barbie.

Yup – the rate of change is making crafting even exotics a mistake.

Actually, on a serious reply to this thread just in case a dev actually reads it.

This is actually making the game difficult to play. Difficult with regards to building a set of armor and accessories matching a build. Seriously, please take a step back and consider the cost of badges, materials, tokens, or any other form of currency that we use to make something. Then in comes a change, and there goes our build. Do we need healing power, no healing power, or some other stat. Yet you guys and gals are playing pick up sticks and changes are occurring daily.

That isn’t right. And it is only happening to our class.

Remains to be seen but could you imagine crafting clerics or minstrel or some other ascended set? This makes it too kitten expensive and difficult when the developers are playing Pick Up Sticks with the Druid’s trait system.

It can only get better, right?

runeblade.7514:

SoftLight.2175:

so what are we supposed to do in raids now? bossfight starts. the boss deals a kittenload of dmg and you cant heal them up because you cant generate af untill someone is allready diing??? like for real. wasnt druid supposed to be the new heal class? we re just plain useless now

You’re suppose to reroll to a Ele.

Thought it was Dragon Hunter…

Good time to try the DH if you have a Guardian anyway due to all the nerfs Rangers/Druids are getting. They can’t go a day without a hot fix….almost feel sorry for them.

Wait, I am playing Ranger/Druid….yes, grass is greener with the DH at the moment.

ProtoMarcus.7649:

BrahChick.8059:

So….am I suppose to repeatedly jump off a cliff now?

You’re supposed to take in a crapload of damage or make sure your allies don’t dodge/mitigate damage.

That we can’t mitigate….so moral of the story is take one for the team?

Rhapsedy.1569:

We are getting these crazy nerfs. Why are the other classes able to out damage us AND out heal us yet they do not get nerfed? Why Anet? Why do you have your Ranger/Druid class so much?

WoW’s expansion is looking better and better each Ranger nerf. sigh

It isn’t that they hate it. It is that they didn’t have enough time to develop or test it with other classes. It is starting to rear its ugly head now by all the ad-hoc patches. And yes, why are the other classes getting a pass yet the Druid is adjusted almost daily.

It isn’t even slightly Op compared to the other classes running amuck in WvW right now.

Well, let me ask everyone a question.

What did we, the Ranger community, really expect with having only “1” beta weekend? And the last one at that?

We knew this was coming. We knew a game that really wasn’t designed with Raiding upon launch or primary role, specific, heal, tank, or hybrid traits, was going to be silly difficult once they changed it. Then factor in a totally new class, masteries, raids, and how they all work, don’t work, together = a difficult nut to crack.

Druid is a failed design much like The Hobbit was a failed movie – we can all see it by lack of communication, constant changes, quick fix, and bugs. Devs are tired with no clear direction of the class or path to steady it.

I’m sure this thread will get locked, but honestly it is a solid company, has good in game support when needed, but the last few months have been difficult and not pleasant.

This is interesting to say the least because I’m in the same boat. I’ve been trying to find the “comfort” build for WvW while running a Druid, no such luck. I like the zerk build that was posted and shown via video but I’m not really able to play it equally has skilled.

I feel back to my trap/condi build which does better but the small group of duo/5 roaming party doesn’t seem right. Seems more selfish I guess. So was toying with shaman gear, then clerics, then said maybe I should just go with celestial for all stats and maybe use weapons for final stat tweaks.

Confusing for sure. Druid ignorant second. Only a few masteries in PvE wise and a couple hours in WvW. Interesting to say the least.

Prophet.1584:

Sicarius.4639:

Crapgame.6519:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Yeah, I would be very surprised if the only thing that would count vs the raid bosses are maxed out dps. And I would be very disappointed if that was the case.

Well, if it goes back to DPS only the developers should consider that a failure. Raiding was supposed to bring into play a supporting role with healing in mind. If it turns out this isn’t the case one would have to ask why have a Druid at all.

Well there is your first no Druid run https://youtu.be/QDqsoMFUFU0

To be fair they still used quite a bit of healing. Nothing says you have to bring a druid, you just have to bring heals.

That is actually a very true, and interesting point. But wasn’t that the Druid’s claim to fame? Personally I would have thought Druid or Guardian since they both seem to play off the heal or group support. Guardian has been around a while, Druid just out.

Maybe it will change as people progress through the content and Druid or more specific healing duties will present itself.

Curring.9752:

Sounds like you would have lost against any condition build to be honest.

Probably has. I’d warrant a looksy at other class forums and we’d see similar threads by said poser /sigh

Holland.9351:

lol another successful troll

Yeah. The tone, verbiage, and sky is falling bit makes me believe they used another account name previously with rapid fire nerf requests.

Maybe math is difficult?

The Ace.9105:

Crapgame.6519:

The Ace.9105:

Crapgame.6519:

Side note, to the poor fella struggling with Druids I came across a heck of a duo last night in WvW. DH/Druid pair. Pound for pound I would say they had a solid build and knew how to work together. Didn’t matter the number of players that engaged they either won, held their ground, or had the ability to escape and reset when overwhelming (Zerg) numbers engaged.

Do you think those of us who fought them came to the forums and cried foul? Or, do you think maybe we messages them, said kitten fine job, lick our wounds, and figure out how to deal with it the next time?

Maybe you just got beat, out played, by a better player? Did you ever consider that?

Was these kind of things happening before the xpac? Do understand that i also know that majority of ppl playing this game are quite bad at gaming but i still think that some things are a bit overtuned.

I didn’t say you are bad. I asked if you ever considered that you just got out played? Outside of the troll post, if this indeed happened, I’d say you got out played and frustrated.

Did these things happen prior to the expansion? Of course they did. Visit any of the streamers or youtube channels and you will see a number of clips and/or highlight reels. Lots of classes work well together or of people who played MMO’s for a while together and know what to do when. Let us face it, there are people in the game who know what skills and traits do what, and when, and can gear accordingly.

That does not make you bad or them over powered. The are just a better, more knowledgeable player.

You are right about getting outplayed. I got outplayed during the time of the last 5s of the match when i died after dueling for 10 minutes. I could have used 1 dodge and not get trapped by entangle.

This tho didn’t change the fact that the damage is too high. No matter what i did i couldn’t kill it and eventually the last moment of the battle would be my mistake everytime. This would be the same thing as saying that you could win the old d/d ele before ring of fire nerf using a bunker guardian.

We disagree. No harm, no foul.

Game isn’t balanced around one players loss in a duel. Bookmark your post and re-visit after the balance patch that we both know is going to come.

The Ace.9105:

Crapgame.6519:

Side note, to the poor fella struggling with Druids I came across a heck of a duo last night in WvW. DH/Druid pair. Pound for pound I would say they had a solid build and knew how to work together. Didn’t matter the number of players that engaged they either won, held their ground, or had the ability to escape and reset when overwhelming (Zerg) numbers engaged.

Do you think those of us who fought them came to the forums and cried foul? Or, do you think maybe we messages them, said kitten fine job, lick our wounds, and figure out how to deal with it the next time?

Maybe you just got beat, out played, by a better player? Did you ever consider that?

Was these kind of things happening before the xpac? Do understand that i also know that majority of ppl playing this game are quite bad at gaming but i still think that some things are a bit overtuned.

I didn’t say you are bad. I asked if you ever considered that you just got out played? Outside of the troll post, if this indeed happened, I’d say you got out played and frustrated.

Did these things happen prior to the expansion? Of course they did. Visit any of the streamers or youtube channels and you will see a number of clips and/or highlight reels. Lots of classes work well together or of people who played MMO’s for a while together and know what to do when. Let us face it, there are people in the game who know what skills and traits do what, and when, and can gear accordingly.

That does not make you bad or them over powered. The are just a better, more knowledgeable player.