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Too bad I can’t export this mess into a excel document and collect some stats. Would be interesting to see for/against numbers. Small sample but sure to be enlightening…
Also wonder how many infractions this thread has caused
Not everyone who playes WvWvW zergs. I know that may, or may not, be a surprise, but we don’t. A group of 3 to 5 people can still do wonders in case you haven’t tried it yet. I think that may only be a small population of the populace though
Hailing from DaOC retail I can say without a doubt that some of us prefer it this way and do very well.
It doesn’t remove the zerg argument I guess. However, I like how the overall stats as they are here and now make it known. T/S-PvP it doesn’t apply because you have what is in the store.
Hmm…
WvWvW jumping puzzle, dark room. Up top at the last beam to step jump before arena / animal jump part. Standing still, enemy player makes the last jump to the step to me and attacks.
Banish. Knock them back down to ground level and giggle. Next thing I know I get a party invite. I accept. They giggle and say that is what they get for being a punk Friendly conversation the rest of the day and left as friends.
Anything that changes +1 to a item (regardless if it is armor, accessories, food, or weapons) gives an advantage to the person wearing it.
It now is a issue of those who have +1 vs. those who don’t. Those that don’t either will work toward having it, stay status quo, or get bored and leave because they don’t want to partake in the climb.
Think about this (although how many years apart, but it gives you the idea anyway).
Wow original level cap was 60. Spinal Reaper was a 2 handed axe. 203 – 305 damage, 74.7 dps. Item level 76…
Wow today has a 2 handed axe, 14525 – 21788 damage. 5043 dps. Item level 509…
Sort of stupid that is how it ends up over time with stat inflation
Average GW2 WvWvW’er + Ring of Warding = priceless. Knock back animation alone makes me giggle every time. Often I’ll group with them later and talk about it. Made a few friends that way to boot
Smart GW2 WvWvW’er + Ring of Warding = fail. As noted above most people know to just hop, skip, or jump over it. Why it works like that is beyond me, but I can knock the kitten out of some Asura and they will hit it and see stars. Yet others just step across it like there is nothing there.
Oh well.
Burst for me is meh at best with hammer or staff. Full Knight’s exotic with rare Ruby accessories and on a good hit I’ll do 2 – 3k. I’ve not seen anything close to 4k as some see. This is using exotic weapons too. On the other hand Wall of Reflection is my burst honestly. Choke points or keep gate dive bombing always, and I mean always, nets me bags falling out of the sky like skittles.
If I ever had burst I gave it up several beta weekends ago in favor of CC and life
I do not agree with jump puzzles and their removal
Just change it so that there is more risk and better rewards. Or potential rewards that is. Add in some NPC mobs in there, up the experiece gained if under 80, add some NPC merchants to sell special things over time.
Make it random and remove the siege placement and the problem is solved. People should want to look in there I guess is what I’m saying. Chest dropping badges is good. Chest dropping siege plans is good. Allowing siege to be placed in there – not so good (although I personally don’t have a issue with it).
I’d make it bigger. I’d add a NPC boss in there on a random path and time. Add agressive mobs in there. Basically make it a puzzle that isn’t just jump oriented with risk and unique rewards. Another option to get a unique skin for armor or weapons
Could we please get a web portal that displays various weekly and monthly player, guild, and server stats please?
I can’t stress this enough that something so little as a player portal off the main GW2 page showing various things as a incentive to further play GW2. You have the data already just push it to a set of servers which run reports weekly and display it.
People love this sort of things because let’s face it. At the end of the day we are all somewhat competitive by nature. What better way to show some startling statistics for either PvP or PvE
I’m thinking things like:
• Highest hit
• Weakest hit
• Most damage input or output
• Most Kills in PvP
• Killed the most number of times
• Sorted by classes, weekly, monthly, etc
• Least GW2 NPC animal kills, or most favorite
• NPC killing statistics
• Server ranks
• Guild claiming
• Most siege, siege type
• Most supplies used
• Jump puzzle completions, by time,
• Most deaths
At the end of the day what I’m talking about is that you have a standard list of things to check out weekly and monthly for bragging rights. Select by class, server, or even report type. Nothing more fun than seeing that your character was killed the most for the week by a bunny…
This was standard by in 2001 in DaOC
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Original poster who took the image and added numbers – I lol’d However, maybe use a different color next time For what it is worth we are arguing what exactly? There are 8 upticked 80’s vs 16 or so normal 80’s. Even if 16 is high it doesn’t matter because standard 80s far exceeded upticked.
Regarding badge farming and “my” comment. My only point is that when you look at the GW2 class structure some classes just don’t reap the same rewards equally. I get not everyone is equal. Fine. However, badges are part of the game regardless if you have your 500, gear, or what have you. New content will come and you “may” want them. Thus, some faster than others. Not a huge deal, but it is what it is.
WvWvW is group oriented, not solo.
Weapon selection. We have it for a reason, so use it. Yeah, it takes inventory space, but depending on what task is at hand, you have a proper tool. Heck, just yesterday I had to bust out a scepter to kill a couple kitten camping in the jump puzzle at the log/spike traps. Remove hammer, equip focus and scepter, attack. Switch between staff and scepter/focus and I removed the problem. 1/2 hand sword, focus/shield, staff, hammer. Seems like we have some options in front of us.
I guess I really don ’t know. Reminds me a lot of playing a Thane back in DaOC retail days. We have a lot of options. We can swap some abilities on the fly along with gear. Some range, some melee, some mitigation, and some dps. None of it equals some of the burst classes like a thief or warrior. In the end if you are really not having fun then you should play what is.
That is what matters and why we have a choice. Me personally? I enjoy it. Not so much solo play but in a small group of people it is fun and I feel I’m not leaching.
Interesting post. Unfortunately I have the exact opposite feel of play than you do. In fact, I played a elemental all through the various beta weekends till retail then rolled a Guardian. My ele was a double dagger / staff build and found while range appeared to rule the GW 2 field of play the Guarding felt all around stronger and offered a better play style. For me, mind you.
The biggest weakness for the Guarding in open field WvWvW is game design. Simply put, you do not earn badges for support. That in of itself is the greatest weakness to Guardians and other melee classes. Range or those who can burst down someone quickly via in and out tactics earn more badges while we, the supporting class, struggle.
Having said all that, here is my take which may or may not help you at all. I roll with a spec of 0/15/30/20/5. Armor is Knight’s Draconic (exotic), weapon is Invader’s exotic, staff is berserker exotic, accessories are rare ruby mithril, and runes are 5 solider with 1 lyssa. Not sure how that fares with yours but it wasn’t too difficult I guess to set up. With this set up and spec I pretty much feel I can do just about anything in general as long as I play smart. Some area’s we excel:
Defending keeps, attacking keeps, and movement.
1 guardian’s + staff + wave of wrath can do a lot to delay attacking forces from breaking down the door.
2 guardian’s + staff + wave of wrath doubles the fun.
3 guardian’s + staff + wave of wrath = priceless. They just won’t get through no matter how many rams they have.
Wall of Reflection? Learn it, equip it, use it, love it. Jump down, pop it, and run back in. This rocks until the player base gets smart enough to understand what this does. I’ve personally seen zergs suicide on this simple trait. Run with another guardian, coordinate, and watch the fun.
Symbol of swiftness vs. siege is a good combo. You can assist taking out people on the walls, oil, arrow carts, etc. Furthermore, you can use Line of Warding and push people back, off, etc. Most forget they can jump over it.
Of course there is the speed movement which you mention via symbol of swiftness. This falls into support by moving large forces from point A to point B. Stacking guardians or guardians who communicate with one another can move people rather quickly across the map. This is just the staff and some small bits of it. There is a bit of range with it orbs and our swiftness symbol so you get the point I guess.
Offense and you.
Depending on weapon choice you can be a pretty lean mean fighting machine and get up close and personal and yet still walk away. However, I feel you have to be a bit more selective or smart I guess. I use a hammer and find that I can hold my own more or less. Basically I’m not the expert here and there are a few other threads that may be of help, but here is my style when I go on the offense.
Target select, mighty blow to close, ring of warding to isolate the two of us, banish, back to symbol / hammer 1 protection, zealot’s embrace if they run or dodge out, mighty blow again. I say dance because I’m trying my best to stay up close and personal on the target. If they move or turn and burn then I’m going to use Zealot’s if it is up to cc them again.
Other times I’m going to just do CC and let the rest of the force knock them out. This is done by using Zealot’s embrace, ring of warding to steer the opposing zerg, and even going suicidal and placing a warding ring and using shouts.
In the end it is really how you play and how it feels. To me it seems like the best class that lets you do everything and get away with it. Especially if you are keen on swapping weapons. One of my favorite things to do with I’m with large forces is to just go b@lls out and charge the enemy zerg head on. They have no idea what I’m doing and before they know it I’m pushing them back via a crazy guardian running at them with a hammer, then swapping to staff, then using wave of wrath, orbs, and lastly popping wall of reflection
It is fun. But…like I noted above badges for supporting the team do not fall out of the sky like skittles
I didn’t get into using siege, healing, etc. I just use hammer and staffs, swap between both. Use scepters from time to time. Target selection with hammer is important. But I find the staff as my go-to time and time again because people don’t understand what it can do. Pair that up with another guardian and it is almost silly.
Just my opinion.
Off topic question. How long does the Omnomberry Pie / food last?
Does it persist through death? Just wondering from a WvWvW perspective since that is typically what I play. And since I’m usually outside the Zerg(s) solo looking for stragglers or inside the puzzles I die often
Well that, and I’m not exactly great or setting the world afire – lol
@Rainfall – thanks.
I’ll have to step out of the box a bit more and give it a try and see how it goes I guess. Just trying to imagine how a casual / hardcore casual player fits in Meaing I’m no pro by anymeans but then again I’m not terrible. Somewhere in the middle to lower side is all
Thanks TGSlasher. Appreciate the information.
I guess I’m not getting the bigger picture here then which is probably due to how other games of this type addressed this. To me, when I see gems or paid, I default to “real money” and that isn’t the case 100% of the time. That is, if this is paid for by gems for tickets or whatever.
I can see some initial rush for this but over time I think it will self weed out a group of people which only leaves the top competitive people. Depending on whatever rewards there are of course like win vs. loss vs. ticket or whatever entry things are called upon performing well.
I guess I would have rather liked a bigger picture or portal if you will related to player vs. player. That is composed of people who participate in WvWvW or other forms of PvP. Then break it down by name, class, weekly, monthly, guild, and other various stats. You could add weakest hit, highest hit, most wins, losses, win vs. loss, etc. Then roll up that data to servers and beyond and maybe then tie in to this wall of victors, etc.
For whatever reason I’m really making too much of this I think when I hear paid. Then again, I don’t really engage in the spvp stuff. It realy is only WvWvW for me.
Thank you again. I think this is one of those things that is my ignorance or how I’m used to and not A.nets
I’ve swapped to this build and play style but still working through the gear requirements. I was initially using the beserker rare set with green level 80 weapons but have finally saved enough to upgrade tot he Knight’s Draconic exotic set. The downside is that I couldn’t buy the beserker hammer with crit so used badges to get the invader’s pvp hammer. I already had the beserker staff oddly enough.
Final cash went into rare runes of the eagle with one of lysaa. Accessories are left so not sure how I’m going to upgrade those but I think they are my weakest link at the moent since they are all lvl 50+ greens and blue mix.
I will say this though. Initial WvWvW engagement was more fun than any previous using either hammer or staff. I was able to live longer even though I struggled with target control. I mean, one minute I have the player target and hitting the next it is gone and I’m looking all over the place to find them and engage the whole time taking damage and getting close to death. This isn’t a guardian issue but mine with lack of keybinds, clicking, and understanding how GW2 works I guess
I’m at:
2,501 Attack
33% Crit Chance
2,870 Armor
14,700 Health
This is fun coming from a casual player. Just wanted to say thanks for the thread, help, and what not.
This is a bit funny actually because the OP asked a question, got a couple answers, didn’t like them, then throws up his/her hands and says, “this is why I don’t post of the forums….”.
Seriously? Guardians are not the most played class according to the latest stats by Arena Net. Why you are seeing them? I can’t answer. Why you don’t feel unique? Again, I can’t answer but will offer you a bit of my personal perception which is this.
Guardians have this aura of being the big thing in shiney armor. With armor comes the possibility of lasting longer in battles and getting up front, close, and personal with the enemy. We can use a vast array of weapons and once skills become unlocked there is a lot of fun swapping around between the various things. What you do with said skills, traits, and other things is up to you. YOU make your avatar and only you. Furthermore, this MMO type game allows you to customize said avatar like no other (outside of SwTOR) in that lvl 80 exotic gear is pretty much the same across the board yet only looks different in the skins and textures.
Meaning, you choose your skills and traits, then armor, then weapons, then you can cap it all off by transmuting it to your fravorite skins which makes you what? Unique. Oh…factor in Dye and it is just that much more customizable.
Let me give you an example since I play a guardian. I’m level 80. I use the exotic knight’s draconic set. I see guardians in it. However, I don’t see guardians swapping between a staff or hammer when I play. In fact, I was defending a keep earlier out in WvWvW and begged all guardians around me to swap to staffs and help defend the door Nothing but crickets and I know at least 3 others are in our zerg yet none of them could help because they all had greatswords…
Are there many? Subjective. Are we unique? It is what you make them out to be. The tools are there by the developers.
Now it is up to you.