Guild Wars 2

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Torch is used in WvW burst builds.(some burst builds not all). Sword/Focus Sceptor/Torch is what I’m using at the moment. Torch #4 when used with sceptor is like throwing a fireball. Knida nice, and no DPS loss, infact that’s a dps increase with 10 in zeal.

What is it if you don’t mind me asking?

The one I’m currently trying is:
10 (II)
20 (V, VIII)
10 (II)
0
30 (II, VIII, XI)

Carrion/Balthazar/Flame Legion/Chrysocola – with GS/Sword/Torch and I do mix in Scepter/Shield. I was reading the burning sticky above and then some posts by other users and trying one of the fella’s there. It works well but man, if you don’t play well you are asking for a quick death. I’m so so with bit but after playing the more safer role of healaway/clerics I had so much more room for error.

However, when you take someone out it is like – wow, that was fast and fun

Suddenflame.2601:

Are you also aware that PVP gear is completely different from PVE gear? It doesn’t even have stats without the runes. Also, there is no earrings or rings. Backpacks don’t have stats and are only for show. So of course there is no ascended in PVP just cause there is no true armour rarity there in general. Which destroys your first argument.

As stated I said it in another post. Look through my post history it wont be hard to find. Armour has yet to be told on how much it till take to get. If it is anything like weapons it won’t take long. The longest and hardest point was getting to 500 crafting but once there ascended weapons are easy to get. Hell right now I am working on getting another 3 weapons just cause I feel like it.

Your argument for ascended still fails thou. What if a person with masterworks armour and weapons decides to roam? Why should he have a disadvantage over someone in rare or exotics? Your same argument with different values. If you say cause exotic is easy to get than your argument really fails as to some who play less it isn’t easy to get. Come up with a different argument cause the numbers between masterworks and exotic is greater than exotic to ascended.

I’m in no way attacking you sudden, just a friendly debate – trust me.

I am fully aware of the delta’s in regards to stats per area of play. I’m also aware of scaled players. The debate isn’t about when one chooses to enter WvW but one of stat inflation from gear. To complicate it (which we may agree to disagree) further is that WvW “is not” only about the mass battle. It is also composed of those who elect to go solo, tactical, or in small war bands. In those formats of play stats come into play.

I would agree with the argument if it was merely 1 point. However, it isn’t and each new piece adds up.

So let me ask a question. Having PvE gear in WvW adds what exactly?

If its no big deal then why does Arena Net balance traits around s/t PvP and PvE?

Age doesn’t matter. A fella I routinely played with back in WoW was a arena junkie in 2’s, 3’s, and 5’s and carried a 2k rating regardless of season on his loc. Go figure. His age? 61…

Suddenflame.2601:

Ascended weapons and soon to be armour should be left as is till you can come up with a more valid argument than its imbalanced. WvW is never balanced around the player but around the servers. Plus I have 3 ascended weapons so I know how hard they are to gain. They aren’t hard at all. I got one from a drop, and the other 2 are crafted. If you claim they are hard to gain than like I said in another post your doing it wrong and rethink how your doing it.

Enlighten everyone how they are doing it wrong when not every has the same amount of play time or interests in other aspects of the game that could yield ascended items. This argument is a lot like peeing in the when. The only outcome is that your leg or pants will get wet…

There is a reason why these items are not allowed in the formal PvP maps.

Upon release of ascended gear it didn’t matter. A ring here, earring there, wasn’t so huge of a deal. Add in a back piece and weapons, well, stats increased yet again. Come Q1 or there about you now have armor. Now how do those stats start to look?

Now let us factor in the game play triad. There is PvE, there restricted PvP in the form of s/t PvP, and lastly there is the free for all WvW. PvE it doesn’t really matter those stats because there is a group of people and one can learn the static content. There are people pugging 50 level fractals after all. There is the free for all WvW battles in which case hiding behind a zerg gear doesn’t matter. 100% agree with you or anyone in regards to that argument. However, not everyone hides behind a zerg and prefers to go alone or run in small tactical teams. Roaming to control or deny bloodlust comes to mind. New edge of madness maps could be another. Flipping supply camps or stopping supply routes or yaks.

Stats do matter over time and ascended gear isn’t easy to obtain. That is another debate which I really don’t care to do here in this thread. However, if you look at the aspect of play, and options within WvW, one can factually argue that ascended gear changes the battle. If nothing else it does give you an edge just because 1 + 1 = 2.

Isn’t math a wonderful thing?

Tarsius…I don’t know what to make of that video – Lol. I mean, the connection of telestomping and putting it with that video

There is no healing meta in this game, or so the bill of goods sold to us was manifested. But, we know how that goes. Guardian is, my opinion, a hybrid class that offers a solid supporting cast/role but will never be the leading man. Now, I will also be the first to say that I believe there are 5 to 10 players who actively post on this very forum who excel at this class and make it a leading man.

The Guardian in many recent arguments has become stale and stagnant while other classes have received positive adjustments. This is, of course, from a PvP/WvW perspective because, well, PvE doesn’t matter. Furthermore, this isn’t something that is only plaguing GW2. All other multiplayer MMO/RPG type games run into this brick wall sooner or later unless you play a FPS game on a console.

The game should make you choose between DPS, Support, or Defense. And whatever you choose, your class should do that function well regardless if it is one you are not playing. However, that isn’t the case anymore. I’ve seen this first hand out in WvW playing a DPS only spec, a support/healing spec, and even a hybrid who does both. While I’m not skilled like many here I can still do simple math. And, it isn’t a case of being out played.

The problem in my opinion is the cross pollenating of traits or utopia. Not every class has to have the same trait or do the same thing. Let them be unique.

Lol…that is fitting. You sir, made my day.

TheGuy.3568:

As far as roaming guardian. Learn how to target bunnies :-)

P.E.T.A is not going to approve that message!!!!

;)

Read the burning thread above, it is sticky set. It is a good read and your answer is in there. Not being vague but in a nut shell you apply enough burning it isn’t necessary. Also one of the traits is to apply burn on block which focus is great at.

I am playing with a burning build now, condition heavy, and while not the smartest cat in the herd, use a torch. Why? No idea other than it is different. I’d prefer that Arena Net swap the torch to main hand so I could use a focus or shield but they don’t think like that for some reason.

So to answer your question it isn’t really necessary.

There are two builds that I’m currently working with that other people posted here in various threads. One is burning and it has potential using sword/torch/GS although I think torch isn’t necessary. There is a good burning build in the sticky up top which explains it.

It is a 10/20/10/0/30 build on condition damage. The problem if truth be told out in WvW (solo or even duo) is who gets first hit. And, what is your skill level. I’m using to playing healaway/clerics so have room to recover from my errors. With either of the DPS builds I’m playing now and I screw up (which is often) then I go down real quick. It isn’t even funny.

Also the targets matter. I was in the EB jp yesterday and ran into a warrior who basically out damaged and out healed me. He/She would have done the same thing I’d wager even if I was in my healing / support set

I don’t have an answer to any of this but just wanted to chime in regarding pugging level 40 through 50 fractals. I didn’t even know people would bring let alone pug those levels. I’m guessing you can’t be carried at that level and you have to know the content….

So I guess my question is, does it matter at those levels? Serious question because I stopped at 6!!!!!! I just can’t stomach PvE No disrespect, just not my thing which is why I’m asking.

Hi Amins. Nice videos. Honestly, “I” believe you could be butt naked and still win most of the fights you engage in.

Nice has always. You find out who that other player was at the beginning?

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Try fighting that warrior build….
This is the one that is a pain in the kitten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27zP2eK_TFk

Watching it now. I really wish I grabbed a few screen shots. I mean no one was being @sshats or such, just that build/trait or whatever really caught me off guard (no pun intended). And I’ll be the first to admit I’m not the most skilled player. So running DPS isn’t the smartest thing I do. I usually play it safe with healaway’s build – lol.

Maybe roll a warrior Had to get it in. No seriously. I was in the EB JP yesterday messing around, has was some YB and SB folks at various levels of the map. Ran into a group of 5 above the arena and this warrior was a real piece of work. I tried to tag and group to chat but he or her declined sadly because I really wanted to know his/her traits.

Basically I’m in my DPS set because I was just putzing around. Anyway, he points so I know a fight is coming. I jump first and uncork dps (sword/focus, then swap over to GS). Nothing, ok – so he knew I was starting. He unloads and I back off, mitigate what I can, start dancing. He stays on me, and I see his buds coming. I go next round of DPS since cool-downs started to unlock and I get maybe 1/4 of his health or less at best before they take me out.

Don’t get how that was even remotely balanced when that warrior was able to mitigate so much and still do some damage. I’m sure I’ll run into him/her later this week out there and will try to get the 411 because while I’m usually a no big deal sort of fella that one fight really chapped my hide

PvE comments, I understand now. I guess we are all on the same page and it is typically implied My mistake – lol.

And yes, PvE is somewhat easy in this game but there are people who still don’t run them enough to remember the fights or still struggle with avoiding dog poo on the ground I put myself in that category – lol.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Dynnen.6405:

1 Aegis on a 48 second cd? Come on =P

Aegis through Virtue and Retreat gives you two quick blocks. Really only need to use blocks for any given bosses’ 1 hard hit. Blocking through a time warp lets your party not worry about dodging, and just do max dps in that window. So blocking is very powerful, when used correctly.

Also the guards blinds should not be taken lightly, it can burst down many silver mobs without taking any damage due to blocks and blinds.

I don’t get people who don’t want to play to guard’s strengths. If we don’t. then we end up as a second rate warrior. I prefer to not do that. Also stop saying a 10/30/0/10/20 build is crap dps. Running Zerker Gear with Scholar Runes keeps the output nice and high. Also the 20 in virtues gives higher passive HP regen, which synergizes with scholar runes by keeping that hp above 90% with more ease.

There is more to the game then just PvE, agreed? sPvP and WvW are two other formats. It isn’t about playing to one strengths (which is a valid argument btw). It is about having options. Otherwise I think we would all have to ask a simple question.

Why are there 5 lines of traits?

Amins.3710:

So now we have to have a staff for combat… right, it’s such an incredible DPS weapon….

Oh, wait.. I keep forgetting… we’re not allowed to go anything outside of SUPPORT>

Fk’n Anet. Can’t balance a Top.

No no, I’m not saying you need one. It was just in reference to the rune of traveler bit. Guardians use all forms of tricks, as you know, to move around. It still isn’t enough to catch someone when they decide they can’t kill you and leave, or kite you. I agree. However, we have all heard the complaints from P.E.T.A in how we use sword #2 to teleport to woodland creatures (white color npc owls, rabbits, etc ) Others will use GS #3. Some just use staff for speed and swap out before a fight.

I guess to me speed isn’t or hasn’t been an option. I don’t chase and if they turn and burn oh well. It does suck though that if I want to move I need to use a staff and hate it more when I get stuck with it out by getting jumped.

Dynnen.6405:

Basically have to have it for wvw

No you don’t. That is what a staff is for, but you don’t need it. There are better to use depending on the style of play. Heck, even if you are in a Zerg they are not necessary since someone, multiple even, is always dropping speed so everyone is together. Furthermore, when a Zerg is in motion and comes into another one, everyone stops anyway, buffs up, and then engages.

It is a game of cat and mouse.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

TheGuy.3568:

Besides walls/blocks and some boons (namely protection)

Walls, Blocks, and Stability is our main assets. How can you say besides that lol. If a guardian isn’t bringing those, then what the heck are they bringing? Might as well go warrior and bring more Vulnerability, and offensive buffs like 8 second fury.

I say again, if you aren’t bringing the 3 I mentioned above, a warrior offensive buffs and burst damage are superior. You bring a guard for Aegis blocking, Blocks(and blinds), and Stability when needed. This DOES not mean you should trait your guard to be a Trash support class. You can trait damage heavy while bringing these basic things with just 10 points in honor and 10 points in virtues. Then you can go hogwild with the other crap.

So based on what you just said I either bring those 3 items or play another class? Did I understand that correctly?

Wow, talking about being pigeon holed

Finnway.2183:

Fox.2785:

Is it true? Are guardians just plain bad now? Or are people overreacting.

People are overreacting. The reason Guardian didn’t get lots of buffs this patch is because we are in a pretty good place overall, especially compared to other classes.

Glass full, half empty.

Just because the Guardian is in a “good place” (your words, not mine) doesn’t mean you get to neglect it and focus on the rest of the classes. Otherwise it becomes stale and under powered when compared to the rest. I forget here who above said it but they are pretty much spot on. PvE it doesn’t matter. It is easy and more on the end user to avoid the red circles on the ground or know when to dodge. Right? However, there are 2 other game types here that people play. In some cases more never touching PvE at all!

Don’t forget WvW and sPvP. Now how is the Guardian doing?

Pariah.8506:

You guys are all having OP dreams..

This comes from someone who mains a guard.

Enlighten us.

Dominus.4153:

From my experience so far, this build is very effective versus other glass classes like typical thief or mesmer builds. But it has trouble when dealing with sustain classes like regen warriors, bunker rangers, etc.

Still not addressing who gets first hit or if you do and they just say ok, and leave. You can’t stop them outside of Scepter 3 which you mentioned.

Divinity.8041:

I LOVE this. Anyone have some tips on runes and weapons?

been trying mace/torch and GS…really like it

although GS feels kind of lackluster sometimes

You choose DPS, which is fine, you give up support AND defense. In short, you will get insta gibbed and a dead player isn’t of any help.

Shukay.3728:

Crapgame.6519:

- Swap torch from off-hand to main-hand (allows shield use)
- Remove focus and staff (I know, just doesn’t seem to fit heavy armor types)

sorry but all no sense..

O? Enlighten me.

also focus and staff.. you have to see the guardian as a cleric/paladin/warrior-mage

no as the warrior.

No, I don’t. There really is no reason for a focus off hand to block more than a shield. Yes, I understand the magic part, but my opinion is it is wrong. Same applies with a staff.

Also allowing torch main hand allows me to use a shield. It will also allow the devs to change up burning and conditions.

Kudo’s for using shield. I like it.
Double kudo’s for music. Nice choice.

I won’t comment on the build since I usually pilfer others because, well, I’m not exactly great at the guardian mechanics at that level. However, I’m sure others will Nice video though overall. Thanks for sharing.

- Swap torch from off-hand to main-hand (allows shield use)
- Remove focus and staff (I know, just doesn’t seem to fit heavy armor types)

Dynnen.6405:

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG HAMMMMMMMMMMERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

sry, had to, hehe. My main was a troll warrior and I drove an 8 man melee train through nearly the entire game, hehe

You speak truth. That and, of course, CC breaker

Stalling is about all it is good for. Top ranked servers I maybe could see this working and useful for someone to switch to. However, lower tier servers or like the match up this week with ‘ebay killing the Lord once, twice, or one hundred and fifty times won’t matter. It will be done because numbers win.

Irsei.6802:

Crapgame.6519:

Can’t build let alone balance a game that contains PvE in it. It has been tied time and time again and failed each time. Don’t believe it? If you played DaOC (PvP designed game) what happened when they introduced Trials of Atlantis(PvE/Raid content)? How about any game thereafter? WoW? Season 1 anyone with a holy paladin using Hand of Freedom? List goes on and on.

No game designer should call changing a tool tip or fixing a bug a balance change when all other classes get greater changes. Nor is it right to say one class has the best overall balance and everyone needs to raise up via change. That to me indicates a bigger problem. Not saying any one here in this game has done so, it is only a talking point / opinion).

TOA ruined DAOC mainly because you HAD TO GET MULTIPLE ARTIFACTS TO COMPETE IN RVR.

Or needed….master level 10. ToA introduced both gear beyond crafting and the requirement to raid in order to attain master level 10. I believe you would agree that while realm ranks mattered it was required to have both artifacts AND master level 10. It was that noticeable.

Oddly enough my main in that game was a Thane….reminds me much of the issues here with the Guardian. Balanced yet small change and we become the favorite of the month and over powered

Can’t build let alone balance a game that contains PvE in it. It has been tied time and time again and failed each time. Don’t believe it? If you played DaOC (PvP designed game) what happened when they introduced Trials of Atlantis(PvE/Raid content)? How about any game thereafter? WoW? Season 1 anyone with a holy paladin using Hand of Freedom? List goes on and on.

No game designer should call changing a tool tip or fixing a bug a balance change when all other classes get greater changes. Nor is it right to say one class has the best overall balance and everyone needs to raise up via change. That to me indicates a bigger problem. Not saying any one here in this game has done so, it is only a talking point / opinion).

Wolfheart.1938:

You are shelving your class because it didn’t get buffed enough? Good lord.

No, that isn’t what he said. His play style has been changed, right or wrong, and he doesn’t want to level an alt. Those who put a lot of their effort into one character / class (I put myself into that category) tend to have these problems. You have x amount of time, put all of it into one class, class maintains status quo while others get bumps, well, do the math. Sometimes it is easier to walk or take a break than put that much time and money into the next character. I mean think about it. Exotics are not it anymore you now have accessories and weapons. How many weapons are in your bag?

I see both sides and it is a bit frustrating being (my opinion) one of the, if not only, well balanced class in this game.

tanshiniza.8629:

Crapgame.6519:

tanshiniza.8629:

1) They give the Rabbits 5 seconds of Fury to compete with us.

2) There is nothing more elegant than playing a game of Golf with a Hammer and an unsuspecting Asura.

I like you!

I like you to so I’m going to do my best to produce an interesting picture of myself in WvW doing something interesting like finishing someone as a dolyak or downing 5 people with my burst

It begins…..

Lol, that is actually a really good screenshot. Actually, we may have the same armor textures too! We could be twins!

tanshiniza.8629:

1) They give the Rabbits 5 seconds of Fury to compete with us.

2) There is nothing more elegant than playing a game of Golf with a Hammer and an unsuspecting Asura.

I like you!

tanshiniza.8629:

6) I will not be rolling a Warrior but instead I shall go to WvW tonight as my Guardian and take out my frustration on every other class until I am satisfied or Anet do something that I can be proud of though something tells me I’m more likely to kill the entire Server 300 times over before the later happens.

You would probably have more success if you instead target the harmless woodland “white NPC” creatures such as owls, bunny rabbits, and other said creatures. Of course, P.E.T.A will complain to Arena Net. And, well, you know what happens next.

Happy hunting all!

Not sure what is on the agenda tonight. I’ve been thinking about trying out a burning build just for giggles. If that doesn’t seem to work then I’ll be roaming the blood lust section playing the height game of…punting people off high ledges with hammer/banish or sword/shield…

Interceptor.2653:

Redscope.6215:

Granted his wording could have been read either way […]

In other words, you’re agreeing with me, except you can’t directly admit to it, since that would be backing down after going Tough Guy™ on the forums. I get it, bro. This is serious business.

Now now, someone has to take the high road here….

Tell you what. Group hug on 3…2…1!

Just kidding. This is still a good thread reading the different takes on the patch. Agree?

Christos de Soufre.3802:

You’d think I’d be used to this kind of thing because I played a Ret Paladin for almost 5 years, but I’m not..

So, that puts you at or around playing ret since launch? If so, kudo’s to you man because back then we sucked. Only the die hard people, or stubborn, played ret or tank spec

Ok, revisiting this thread and thus re-reading from the beginning because I’m toying with a solo WvW build around sword/torch and burning. I’m trying to use or modify one of the builds in the threads here within what I have (too cheap to buy a 4th set of armor) so a mix of solider/berserker is what I have to start – a even mix. Same with trinkets

Can you just go 10 in Zeal for Fiery Wrath?
In the build I have now I went 30 into Radiance (searing flames, powerful blades, and right hand strength). 30 in virtues for Retaliatory Subconscious, Supreme Justice, and Permeating Wrath.

It seems the builds here spread out a bit more and hit at least 10 in Valor for defenders flame. Something I completely missed… It also seems from reading torch isn’t really a requirement…

Shield useless? Its not has good has the stupid Focus but it is far from useless

I do wish they would add a utility or side effect to it when it is out such has placing a guard feature you can place on a partner to intercept a blow if you are within x area of them. It is somewhat lack luster but man, when you play the map right and people don’t have stability up….people fall off dangerous and high places to their deaths. Much like the Lemmings Disney threw off the cliffs in that movie we watched years ago in elementary school

Christos de Soufre.3802:

Please run 20 people with no Guardians against another 20 with Guardians in WvW. Report back with your findings. Video is not required but preferred.

While I tend to agree with you, Guardians are pretty easy to spot in a zerg. Focus fire wins the day. I know you are aware of this but I was just playing devils advocate for a quick second. I won’t even go into condition bull larky that is flying around with two or more masses collide

Outside the patch notes, which are sub par, notice how more and more of the regulars in “this” forum have seemed to go “poof”? I mean, we had a pretty good community here but over the last month give or take a few days, its dead.

I’ve parked my Guardian and have been leveling a ranger and warrior. Ascended gear bugs me to no end. No incentives to WvW outside a zerg. New map points and bloodlust are fun, but no rewards for players controlling them. Now lack luster patch notes, well, time to go catch up on some console games I guess…

Are the developers this out of touch from our community or do they honestly believe other classes need more help?

When I go DPS out in WvW it is using:

Zeal – 10
Valor – 30 (Retributive Armor, Str in Numbers, AH)
Honor – 30 (Sup Aria, Empower Might, and Pure of Voice)

Mix of Zerk/Solider armor with Citadel runes, helm using ruby (under water is why).
Trinkets/accessories are also a mix of soldier/zerk all rubies.
Weapons GS/Hammer and Sword/Shield (all zerker blood and force).
Omnom pie, master maint oil.

All exotics although I think I have ascended ring, neck, and earrings now. Playing within the new map area in the boarder lands can be a bit interesting. I find it is a lot like playing hide and seek depending on the server match up. Some servers zerg, which is smart, so it is a numbers game. More means I run, and run away fast. Small numbers, 1 or 2, maybe 3, I will engage. Main issue with this build is lack of survivability like I’m normally used to using the healaway build. This allows me to knock out dailies super quick and kill someone if I get jumped…

I don’t think it is even remotely a good build like others have posted. It was built from a discussion a while back and I took it, used it, and its my DPS goto ever since. Go figure.

How about we just remove condition damage all together? That is my vote.

It is pretty stupid when you think of the 3 types of game place and the class you choose to play. I mean honestly, think about it regardless if you agree or not. It is simple really:

1. s/t PvP – Ascended gear isn’t a factor
2. PvE – craft, farm, hunt, dungeon crawl, champion runs, etc + constant rolling patches
3. WvW – Third triad of game play != same rolling patch level has PvE nor return on time played in regards to earned rewards or loot

What I’m saying is this. If you play only one aspect of the game, say WvW, then the chances of you obtaining an Ascended weapon are slim to none because you don’t get equal rewards. What percentage of the populace only plays one aspect of the game? Not idea, I don’t have that data. I know I’m one who does but will admit I’m probably the minority. And to those who say stats don’t matter, somewhat true. Again, it is the choice of play style.

Small groups, roaming, solo, non zerg players the stat creep is starting to get noticed. Factor in armor, all slots now, exotic vs. ascended will be felt. Its like the 1 vs. 99 percent argument in a virtual world. Time is money but it shouldn’t factor into the game.

Nuke ascended gear from WvW just like you do in PvP and leave that kitten to the PvE’ers.

Yaro.3251:

Crapgame.6519:

But my issue is the way it went down and a small percentage of the population forcing a change to a format that never had that form of intent. Heck, I hail from DaOC and we didn’t put up with this.

This is not a format change, this is an addition, extension if you will, of sandbox to support wider variety of play styles. Which is the goal of sandbox in the fist place. I’m assuming you agree that WvW is a sandbox since you said about it being more open and less ruled environment with only formal frame.

But to have all the drama and then follow up with a design change makes me cringe a bit because it seems like a knee jerk reaction rather than a well thought out path or design. Thus my comment.

Did you consider the possibility that this desicion was made as a quick solution to kill the drama (read the conflict inside WvW population between those who GvG and those who don’t)?

We could have been fed with with “we are working on it” for another season while well thought out solution would be implemented. Or have basically what we were asking for at minimum, right now. And THEN wait for more global changes.

I don’t think I’d agree it is a sandbox but I could just be mincing words on my part (no intent). “I” believe we are in agreement more or less though.

Did I consider the quick solution? Yes, I did but not maybe to the full degree in your reply. I think in my opinion there are issues on how you actually define a guild, what numbers per side it means, and what is allowed in respect to gearing and people. One of the fundamental issues with WvW is that it is, at the end of the day, a numbers game. A secondary flaw would be one of time zones. To complicate it further you have a hybrid mix of level 80’s, upticks, and gear. Makes it a melting pot in which this new, quick, additional format of a game may or may take into consideration. Point is, the mob rules.

So my take is simply that people wanted a form of arena’s but call it something cooler than what the two ton heavy thing does. Thus enter G vs. G.

Albane.3618:

Asudementio.8526:

Crapgame.6519:

If this is correct then this game is really in a death spiral.

Elaborate please?

Sure, I will do the honors: any shiny new MMO on the market. There. Done.

I don’t think there is a shiny new MMO. Even if there was, it wouldn’t be the reason. Drama and screaming from a percentage of a game population causes a major design change. Just like what happened with the JP’s and siege placement (has an example).

WvW has been lacking when you look at the other formats of play in the game. Personally, I’d say make it like S/T PvP and use equipment lockers. However, it is a free form of open world PvP against other servers. It has its ups and downs but at the end of the day it is what you make of it. For the most part WvW is all I play because I come from DaOC. This is like a walk in the park to me.

Asudementio.8526:

Crapgame.6519:

If this is correct then this game is really in a death spiral.

Elaborate please?

Fair question. Just an opinion so we are all on the same page with all due respect.

A percentage of the player base kicking and screaming the loudest forcing a design change. And it doesn’t matter which side of the wall you lean on either. The fundamental design of WvW is a free and open map whereas 3 servers fight. Within those rules of engagement you can play solo, you can duo, you can command, lead pugs, join parties, join a squad. You can take keeps, towers, and castles. Prior to change (note, design change again due to kicking and screaming) you could lay siege in the various JP’s to control or grief (take your pick, I’m fair) or just prevent free siege plans. WvW was not a controlled form of combat like s/t PvP. It was not designed that way nor are they arena’s of 2, 3, or 5 people vs. another equally composed number of players or teams.

The so called fight clubs or GvG tournaments can be done inside WvW but it is a extracurricular activity or process by like minded people and takes some coordination. A by product of that is the sound of white noise (aka other players on the map not wanting to join in that form of play or simply don’t know about it and believe red is dead).

Is this a design issue? Probably. Does it need to be in the EB JP? I guess if they feel they are lack luster that is a good place to put it. But my issue is the way it went down and a small percentage of the population forcing a change to a format that never had that form of intent. Heck, I hail from DaOC and we didn’t put up with this.

People, guilds, and alliances knew who roamed in 8 man parties. People also knew who zerged. Others knew there was a time and place to do both. The main difference is that it was a PvP designed game prior to ToA and the portal had data to support these types of events. We knew who was highest in realm points, kills, deaths, by class, by guild, and by alliance, and by players.

GW2 doesn’t have that. May never have that. But to have all the drama and then follow up with a design change makes me cringe a bit because it seems like a knee jerk reaction rather than a well thought out path or design. Thus my comment.

If this is correct then this game is really in a death spiral.

dreztina.4820:

It’s really unfortunate that “soloing” has devolved into sitting around dueling and jerking each other off. I don’t know if the problem is that all these people came from WoW and don’t know anything else or what, but it’s pretty sad that everyone who wants to solo thinks a fight starting with a /bow in completely flat and open terrain is the height of pvp.

It is what it is. It isn’t a WoW thing either. People are trying to make WvW what they are familiar with rather than trying to conform to the designers intent. Now, I will wager that the designers really don’t have a clue what that is anymore but that is another story with all due respect. Hence the drama a few days past with the developer, etc.

It would be interesting to see some server metrics regarding populations over time because the game appears to be in a state of decay. Of course that could just be E-Bay or the movement of people to higher tier servers in preparation for world vs. world leagues. Yet even the PvE side of things seem fuzzy.

Oh well – golden bombs of light and love to everyone Hope your weekend is going well.

Ezrael.6859:

Crapgame.6519:

Ezrael.6859:

ITT a sub-par WvW Guardian that relies on gear discrepancy whines about the thread title.

Probably should check that comment because there are several players here, who posted, which don’t mention gear discrepancy, whine, and provided feed back. Go figure. Oh, I’ll up you one. They actually provide input to the community via builds, videos, and active participation in various threads.

I think most people are over the title now believe it or not since the feedback was accepted, thought about, and people have since moved on. Well, except maybe you?

But hey, let us beat the dead horse and keep it on the front page so it isn’t forgotten!!!!

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One.

Not several, thanks for the long useless paragraph of defensiveness though.

The comment was direct at a certain Guardian who plays badly in his videos, by misusing several skills; Can’t time Shield of Wrath with Flashing Blade, doesn’t use Ray properly, can’t use Chains of Light either to guarantee damage with Smite or interrupt an opponent, always misses Zealot’s Flame, doesn’t know how to maximise the damage and burning from Zealot’s Flame even though he uses a condition based burning build >.<
But somehow manages to win 1v1s, most likely because of a gear discrepancy from WvW.

And this person had the audacity to make a bad comment towards Azshene in this thread, a player whose skill level is far higher than (a Guardian) will ever achieve.

In all, your defense of several Guardians was unnecessary because only one was ever the subject.

What exactly are you trying to say?

Bweaty.9187:

Weird, I’m thinking of ditching my necro, and throwing more love at my guard alt.

Guardians are fun to level. Open beta and head start I was leveling a Elementalist then on a whim changed to a Guardian and had a blast…