Guild Wars 2

Change change change. If you want change reach into your pocket, not GW2.

The area has a lot of potential and I think they may tie some of it to the new over flow map. The biggest drawback now in running the ruins is that has a small group or solo roamer you get no reward. Your team gets the buff but that is about it.

If on the other hand you used that same amount of time out in the other maps taking towers, keeps, and killing you get loot bags and more wxp. Therein lies the issue.

headraver.4862:

so here’s the problem with wvw were theres one server that totally dominates the other two because they have 60 man zergs on every borderland weres the balance in that?its no wonder servers give up on going into wvw they see no point in playing a part of a game were its so unfair i reckon if the ppt was much closer on all 3 servers the servers would have somthing to fight for!

Well maybe if you would stop taking screen shots of the score maybe your server would do better

Just kidding, honestly I am.

Chris.3290:

Tibstrike.2974:

Because people like winning.

Obviously, since FA wailed on Ebay and IoJ so much that they PPT’d their way into 6th place, ahead of Maguuma which should have gained points just by showing up.

Never thought we’d be going into week 5 saying that Tier 1 have been better sports about things than Tier 3.

There was no wail, it was only due to numbers…

NargofWoV.4267:

I don’t get it… I don’t. Last night in EB on Gold League, we had 35-40 guys zerging around and taking keeps, the castle, etc… We ran head long into biggers zergs several times and won and lost. 50-60 player zergs. Just because you have fewer, doesn’t mean you can’t win. We basically took everything we tried to take. The times we lost open field we got taken by surprise, well the commander did, he froze heh.

I don’t understand, “out manned”.

How good are you at math if you don’t mind me asking?

Yes, there are times whereas a smaller group can take down a larger one. However, that isn’t just the only picture here. Remember I asked about math? Well, more people means:

1. Better map coverage
2. More condition damage
3. Better hourly coverage

Adding 1, 2, and 3 above together means you can do more over the course of 24 hours. So let us say you play on a lower populated server. You win some and you lose some. Now let us say you take a tower and re-take your keep. Now you move to try and put pressure on them by taking some of their towers. No sooner than you beat feet across the map with your 20 or so players guess what happens? They re-take your keep, your towers, your wine cellars, while the hole time sending in a small force to defend whatever you are taking. The flip you just did lasted all of about what, 2 minutes? Heck, the points probably didn’t even register.

I do agree that small groups can, and do win, frequently. However, the larger the mass (here comes some more math) means that they also have more AOE and conditional damage which will destroy you. Picking off stragglers or people who don’t play smart will always happen but there is just no way this game will allow a lower populated server with less 24×7 coverage win.

Statistically it isn’t even remotely possible.

Perikittenor.1892:

Crapgame.6519:

Perikittenor.1892:

Tomes would be really fun and add diversity if they were used as a toggle weapon option rather than the thing we have now.

Ofcourse they would need a total revamp if that happens.

I use the Tome from time to time but more importantly I zero in on the opposing enemy in WvW when I see them bust it out. The support/healing one is good but boy does it scream ATTACK ME.

If they even attempt to attack me with none condition attacks i usually laugh and walk around with the book shouting. And even against condi it has a projectile to cleanse on yourself.

You know, reading what you just replied with made me giggle a little bit by the image of a guardian walking around holding a book. I mean it is a neat animation and all but for some reason it just hit me So thanks

I in no way mean this in a bad way – just saying when I read it I smiled.

Perikittenor.1892:

Tomes would be really fun and add diversity if they were used as a toggle weapon option rather than the thing we have now.

Ofcourse they would need a total revamp if that happens.

I use the Tome from time to time but more importantly I zero in on the opposing enemy in WvW when I see them bust it out. The support/healing one is good but boy does it scream ATTACK ME.

Hey Hunter. He has several to choose from. I don’t think you are being too blunt but I’ll say Amins isn’t one to have an ego though. Last clip he has is against FA which has you know is one of the top 8 due to their Aussie / Oceanic / Population player base.

If you have time maybe check out his others and maybe that will answer your questions. Maybe not. Then again, anyone who can stall or withstand a incoming sea of red like they did wins.

Vick.6805:

The only way leagues would have even been close to balanced would be to lock server transfers just before they were announced, until after the league started. But even that would not have fixed all of the server imbalances population-wise, but it would have at least prevented the massive shift in populations that happened after the announcement. (Putting server transfers on sale was a brilliant move, too… /s)

Just abolish the leagues and let us go back to the old matchmaking system where you just got paired with the servers next to you in rank and you could work as a server to move up in the rankings.

First paragraph. The only way this could be even remotely balanced would be to enforce map population caps. Not only a set limit but also enforce a sliding rule whereas each of the 3 servers in match within a percentage or two of one another at any given time. While possible, just won’t happen and it would ruin the global war look and feel.

Second paragraph talking about abolishment. I think those who disagree with the league play all sit on this fence. My personal opinion is that WvW in its current form does not conform to any sort of league play. If that is the game, then leave it to the S/T PvP meta. For WvW you need to open or expand the portal to participants and add new weekly and monthly achievements outside the few today.

Nick.6972:

Maybe just remove the score altogether?
Award people individually?

Weekly, monthly ladders based on other objectives. However, this currently is not done…

Look at it this way. Stacked servers, higher population, and of course 24×7 coverage means this:
1. They can ask people or guilds to control ruins (gives 3 stacks of bloodlust)
2. They can take anything has soon as you recap

So when the higher end servers play the middle and lower tiers 1 and 2 above makes the game pretty much unplayable. It doesn’t matter how kittene tries David “WILL” never beat Goliath. And if you play on any of the non top tier servers with normal coverage then you know exactly what I mean. They can take, control, and do whatever they want because nothing you do can stop them. Nothing.

Amins.3710:

Fun Fight w/ Standard ZD Build

First segment is why EB is a great server. Out numbered you still fought and took a number of them out. I’m sure they are embarrassed Sadly it also goes to show why the top 8 will remain the top 8 – numbers.

I’ve actually been toying with your standard ZD build although using mace/sword and shield. I’ll swap from GS to Staff depending on whom I am with. It is interesting but I die a ton more due to the lack of safety blanket with clerics Some moments I feel great, more often than not, not so much – lol.

I don’t see you much in EB and judging from most of your video’s you are on the outer maps? Reason or just like it better? Standard map gets a bit, well, baby’ish for lack of a real word. Great video again, and play. Thanks for sharing. Oh – “We are going to die!” was funny.

It doesn’t matter really because the servers with the most 24×7 coverage are the top anyway. Probably the top 8 currently, wouldn’t you say? Just look at their fun fact from yesterday then look at their scores now.

“Fun Facts

Eight worlds remain undefeated, beating every opponent they’ve faced so far.
•North America: Blackgate, Fort Aspenwood, Henge of Denravi, and Sorrow’s Furnace
•Europe: Vizunah Square, Desolution, Drakkar Lake, and Ruins of Surmia
"

So the only question left is are players who roll on the lower tier servers having fun? And, why should they be penalized for not being on any of the top 8? It is a failed system and one reason why DaOC never put a league in play. You can’t control 24×7 coverage let alone population unless you do one or two things.

1. Cap players in WvW
2. Assign points to players 80/uptick and incorporate a sliding scale or weight so the underdog gets an equal amount based on the number of players per side.

Remove leagues. Add in a more functional portal for fun facts and startling statistics like:

1. Player kills, player deaths
2. By class
3. By guild
4. Biggest, weakest hit
5. Most siege used
6. Most walls knocked down
7. No, Most deaths in WvW JP’s
8. Fastest time through WvW JP’s
9. Most ambient animals killed

Keep all stats, for anyone participating in WvW. Show top 25 across server, class, and guild. Since all stats are kept, search yields people. You can look at your score and compare to the top 25. It will change daily, or can. This way you remove all forms of server population because it is tied to a kill.

Now, the only key here is that you need to set a value to a lvl 80 and non 80 player for points. You also need to add a tag / death time so it will decay over time to prevent kill trading. This way a zerg or solo player can earn the same amount of points. Solo kill = max, zerg equals max / number of people in x area or who touched…

Now you can add leagues or a ladder because there is a flow. Now you can add a ladder or league because there is reason to play. Bragging rights by class, guild, etc.

ykyk.2740:

Crapgame.6519:

Title says mid season report. Based on the fun fact piece in Arena Net’s blog, here is my question:

Quote:Fun Facts

Eight worlds remain undefeated, beating every opponent they’ve faced so far.
•North America: Blackgate, Fort Aspenwood, Henge of Denravi, and Sorrow’s Furnace
•Europe: Vizunah Square, Desolution, Drakkar Lake, and Ruins of Surmia"

Of the eight world that are undefeated what is their 24×7 coverage?

I’d be willing to bet that they have all three time zones covered. I know having fought 2 of the NA servers via playing on Ebay that each server that won so far had crazy night coverage and large zergs (higher population). So far none have appeared to be related to any great skill.

Probably 99% of WvW matches (since the game launched, so that’s a lot of matches) are decided by coverage alone. It’s nothing new.

I don’t disagree. The leagues are broke before they even started. I guess I was just hoping the game developer had a solution but I guess not. I found it rather ironic though in that they made it a startling statistic in their blog by saying it is a fun fact…

Oh well…life goes on

No tank or healing meta in this game. Or so the story goes. That being said PvE = DPS.

Before you enter PvE make sure to learn when to stop, drop, and roll (dodge). In other words, know the encounter and go full DPS. There is no reason to go either tank or heal. There are, however, a few traits or elites that will help. So change accordingly

Zesbeer.8365:

• The lowest pop server in the match up, sets the map cap for the other two servers.
  • so if the lowest pop server in the match up some how makes it so there are queues then every server could have queues.

There should not be a map cap at all. That is not the solution really. If you want that go play SPvP or another game. This has been a problem that dates back to DaOC and the 2 AM US relic raids. Not much you can do other than try to catch it and prevent it from happening. Or, do what they do and set alarm clocks. Been there, done that. It is, ironically, a rather interesting problem and game dynamic (although I don’t think that is what Arena Net had in mind).

No, what is needed actually is some notifications from claiming keeps, towers, and camps. Furthermore, the game needs an alliance option so guilds can join and form larger entities. Combine this with notifications from claimed areas and NPC’s messages get sent and people in /g and alliances will know. If it matters, people will stop what they are doing and join in. Plain and simple.

However, there has to be a bit bigger reason to engage in WvW. Incentives are what draw people in just like moths to a flame. Maintaining the keep or other objects should grant something like higher magic find, more exp if killing / leveling up near claimed objects, more nodes or mats dropping, something. This way people stop what they are doing and have a reason to go protect the keep or such regardless of time.

Otherwise all rewards must be the same because there is no balance across the realm ranks. You happen to be on a lower populated server, only timezone player base, or higher and your rewards are based on the server? I think that is a foul and people shouldn’t be penalized because they stayed on the server at start…

I think the general rule is if you come upon someone and they don’t attack, stop, and bow, that is usually a sign they want to duel. There is a pause typically before the attack.

However, on the other hand if you happen upon someone and they just attack, well, that is a “red is dead” mind set (which is perfectly legit) and it is game on. Regardless of which direction they run if almost dead, friends help, etc. WvW is supposed to offer a dynamic of play if you will. 3 servers but who says they have to be equally at war? Alliances are built, destroyed, has are small groups of people doing duels or other such things.

Some of the people I follow or have friended are on other servers after meeting them on the fields of WvW. Jump puzzle, duels, or all around generic questions. But for me, when I see a bow it is typically a sign of a requested engagement. If I am not interested I decline by ignoring it or party up and say why.

Title says mid season report. Based on the fun fact piece in Arena Net’s blog, here is my question:

Quote:Fun Facts

Eight worlds remain undefeated, beating every opponent they’ve faced so far.
•North America: Blackgate, Fort Aspenwood, Henge of Denravi, and Sorrow’s Furnace
•Europe: Vizunah Square, Desolution, Drakkar Lake, and Ruins of Surmia"

Of the eight world that are undefeated what is their 24×7 coverage?

I’d be willing to bet that they have all three time zones covered. I know having fought 2 of the NA servers via playing on Ebay that each server that won so far had crazy night coverage and large zergs (higher population). So far none have appeared to be related to any great skill.

fadeaway.2807:

PVT gear really is the way to go. Using zerker gear in a zerg will only provide a free rally to the enemy team.

Oddly enough this single point is overlooked by most players in WvW. I run three different builds and armor sets when I’m playing out in WvW depending on what my mood dictates. Standard, and safer play of the healaway, full dps, or burning. Of the three the healaway is safer and zerg friendly.

The other two, not so much. Upon reading your comment it sort of hit me in that a downed player is fair game to rally and can turn the tide So don’t be that guy/gal

Oozo.7856:

Amins.3710:

Also, everyone once in awhile, being a guardian and all, we just like to see Green Numbers

Necro PoV for these two fights with some of the comm chatter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5crjLiFCRs

You know Oozo, that was brilliant. Showing another point of view to the same fight. Good job and go EB! Although yet another high populated Oceanic server we are facing – lol.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

. I’m trying to start doing GW2 videos again, but my focus has shifted far away from solo roaming. Solo roaming as a Guardian in T1 is wildly impractical now, so I’ve been doing a ton of sPvP, leveling new characters (it’s awful…), and GvG. I definitely have stuff coming though.

I can only imagine how frustrating doing anything in T1 WvW would be after facing several of the zerg 24×7 happy servers we have recently faced. However, the ruins have a bit of solo aspect to them and can be fun. Just not a lot of action around them depending on when you play.

WvW needs some central points of contention where stealth or tactics come into play. Sounds like the new mist map may have it, we’ll see.

Hi Amins, great job but expected from your caliber of play Seriously though, I wish more played in the ruins like in your video. So much potential in there with varying degrees of terrain. Yet if one roams in there say vs. taking points on the map you don’t get any credit outside blood lust. That is great at all, but if you are going for season or other things nothing counts Great concept but a wee bit short on execution.

Liked seeing you use shield. I think it is a great off hand but man the cool downs can be painful

Thanks for sharing.

Mightymealworm.8409:

Same could be said to you and PvP, sir. PvE is a big part of this game, and many players like more than one aspect of what the game has to offer.

That is true. However, PvE is scripted and 9 out of 10 times it comes down to learning the encounter and knowing when to use your cool downs or dodge. More often than not you can run full DPS stat oriented gear and live.

This is not the case with either form of PvP in the game which are two of the other triads of play this game offers. Furthermore, PvE drives more trait and skill balance because they can become too over powered or lopsided in the other two formats of play.

I don’t think either side should dictate nor do I know what the population numbers reflect. Just be aware, which I’m sure you are, there are 3 types of game play of which 2 relate to PvP.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Anet wants us to be mobile buffbots that sit in the back of the lines while everyone else does the action! I called it first!

All joking aside, I think it might be time to hang GW2 up for awhile. I’m not liking the direction the devs have been going over the past few months with it.

If that is the case, then remove heavy armor and give us a dress. Heavy means frontlines not waiving a hanky in the back screaming our nail broke

CptAurellian.9537:

ODB.6891:

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Quite funny how you interpreted that post. In fact, I don’t give a **** about PvP or WvW, so I’m talking purely from a PvE perspective. And to be honest, I also don’t care for all those guards who run around with the AH crutch. What would be the effect of putting such a trait into 30 zeal? Those who have the slightest idea of what is good or bad in terms of builds will still avoid it and run real DPS builds. Those who want survivability, whether it may be useless or not, will still run AH, since it has more synergies than your trait could ever give. And last but not least, such a 30 zeal build would do nothing better than the existing builds. Compared to AH, it would either give up any support or have no damage/survivability advantage, and compared to DPS builds, it can only give up support without gaining any meaningful damage.

Do you really need survivability in PvE? I mean how hard is it to stack AR, stop, drop, and roll? There are no damage meters in this game let alone inspect, gear score, or anything else that limits you from doing anything and everything.

Jax.5261:

I also decided I’d quickly go into a game and get the combat log, met a guy in like 20 seconds and one shot him, was a s/d thief and I didn’t even get to use Zealot’s Fire or Shield of Wrath (missing out on a potential 12k on a low armour target) and it landed in less than 1 second.

Come on….do you expect us to take that fight seriously? Really?

You fought a freaking plant! Petals!!!!!

Just kidding. Excuse my poor taste of humor this morning. I sure hope that player was a Sylvari!

brannigan.9831:

You will die a lot as burst guaridan as well. If you don’t like dieing a lot don’t play burst. Also, guardian burst is very unforgiving. I just don’t see it myself. In a world with equal skill level players I am just not in love with DPS guards in spvp. Sure you can pew pew bads all day but most good players will be able to avoid your burst rotations or enough of it. It doesn’t matter if you can burst for 20,000k if it can be avoided fairly easily most of the time.

I have to agree here and it doesn’t matter what format of PvP you are playing in. You can burst. However, 9 out of 10 times you will get smoked. There just are not enough escape options when they dodge your burst rotation.

To put it simply. You don’t put them down, you will go down.

rajule.8054:

and please for the love of god reduce the cast time of banish, the wind up on that hit is way too long. its like the easiest ability in the world to avoid .

I used to think this until last night. EB player and I ran into another guardian (sword/focus forget other swap) from DB. I died rather quickly. Another EB (Hammer/GS) player joined the fray after and these two guardians danced for about 5 minutes until they both got tired. Fellow EB player landed banish so many times it wasn’t even funny.

You can land it but has the other guardian said to me in passing it is just a matter of knowing when.

Obtena.7952:

While I echo the sentiment on a need for soft CC, I would HATE to see that tied to a particular weapon THROUGH a trait. That’s probably the most build-limiting way to service this problem.

Thank you! I was actually just getting ready to ask why are we paying attention to only 1 handed swords? Honestly, I don’t want to be pigeon holed into a single weapon if I go DPS. We have so many tools in the bag to use hence my earlier question about moving torch to main hand. Just seems to fit better so I can use shields.

I see someone posted the armor and hit point hierarchy but is there a option on the table to maybe review how armor works or at the stats on heavy? Or is that too large of a game mechanic? I mean I don’t know how other players play but heavy armor should be at the front or charging blindly in pushing foes back. It seems to me that everything cuts through it like a hot knife through butter and pushing is almost impossible now in large scale fights. Shield 5, Wall of Reflection, Hammer 5, and Staff line of warding come into play of course but people can jump over some. Maybe make them all TALL so they can’t be mitigated? Heck, make Hammer 2 split the ground making the foe stumble or fall so we can land the next attack and they miss theirs.

Anyway. I think we all use most of the weapons available for use (which is why crafting ascended weapons is a bit frustrating for me (I’ve yet to start though)) but just my thoughts.

Just have to pay the price, but you can. Just don’t expect to live very long unless you are a top 10% player with skill. That is my impression having played a DPS role out in WvW. You can and will kill stuff very quickly. However, if you are not smart or skilled, you will be eating dirt more often than not.

Greek.4396:

JonPeters.5630:

The change to sword damage from 5% to 10%. I’ve seen a lot of talk that maybe it is not really needed. The fact was this was a lackluster trait and this is a lackluster change to it. I would love to do the right thing here and have a change that MH sword wants rather than just 5% more damage.

Thoughts?

Jon

Hey Jon! I would really like to see Flashing Blade (sword #2 skill) a target location teleport rather then requiring a target for it to work. It would really add to Guardians mobility in comparison to other class’s.

Wouldn’t that have a chance to bounce you somewhere or to a target you didn’t intend to hit?

ZoroDaOtter.3859:

Jon is still nowhere to be seen.

Not really fair although he is the one that said Monday. However, he is busy we probably all agree on and did make a post regarding some of the other classes. Saw it on reddit and it was noted that just because x class didn’t see anything doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

Furthermore, it is probably that these two classes he left out are probably the ones getting more attention this round (purely speculation on my part). I say this because he noted about testing some sword builds for the ranger crowd…

Alatreon.2943:

Just gonna toss this in here, I think it would be nice if Torch 5 Skill removed conditions on the guardian as well as friendly targets that we are breathing on.

It would be nice if torch was a main hand so we could use shield or focus.

It is probably too late since this is a balance patch buy why can other classes make use of the healing stat to begin with? If they didn’t then some of the issues or concerns we are raising wouldn’t even exist. My personal opinion is that once a stat gets cross pollenated with others, said classes make better use of it and it just becomes a balance nightmare regardless of which game one plays.

Personal opinion here but we have to give too much up in regards to survivability in order to boost our DPS in 2 play styles of gameplay (WvW/sPvP).

Amiga huh? Kudo’s there. 2000 owner and also their Unix port.

Nice video. You played well and its nice to see smaller group play. You didn’t really shy away from numbers either, cool. I wish Arena Net would try and induce some form of rewards for controlling the blood lust points. Seems that area provides a lot of roaming on all maps which helps the whole team. However, those roaming to keep it up will miss on all the chests and bags from taking towers and supply camps

Thanks for taking the time to record, edit, and share. Always good to see how others play.

Edit: What server? I thought I read in the youtube comments Dragonbrand? If so, then heck, we probably either have, or will, meet up in WvW…

So just a quick question. How do the weapons work in WvW?

I have been trying to use sword/focus primary with mace/shield backup to push out in the field. Shield 5/bubble is useful. I’ve also at times swapped out sword/focus for hammer.

See, this is why ascended weapons is a bad idea The amount of time necessary to craft all these stupid things if you use them all or don’t have a favorite

ODB.6891:

You should probably re-read what I said. I said there isn’t anything in this game that isn’t easy. Meaning that it is all easy.

If that is the case, then yes. I was incorrect. I’d like to blame global warming, lack of sleep, my parents, the current president, et al

However, it is my lack of reading comprehension I’d wager if I was to be honest.

Brutaly.6257:

akamon.2769:

how fun would it be if a bunch of us could play ont he same server, and run an all Guardian small-med group

Count me in, i will even buy a US account and live with high latency to do that. Can roll the healway/boonduration if you like.

Where do i sign up?

Is your latency really that high? Seems a lot of the top U.S. servers have a high Oceanic/EMEA/APJ population. Amins is on U.S. / Ebay. I’m also there and I’m game. I’m not in the same league as you guys but I’ll play support and if nothing else take one for the team

We should all roll Asura’s to boot. Call the guild something like Asura Uprising – lol. Sadly we could have pulled this off last year when they allowed guesting and WvW Now not so much.

ODB.6891:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

And people always say “PVE is easy”, but then they can’t melee Lupi or Do high level fractals. Whats up with that?

This^

There’s nothing in this game that isn’t easy but pvp’ers generally say stuff like that to somehow make it seem that they have more skill or require more consideration.

Not this….

You do know people are pugging 50+ level fractals now, right? The only time PvE is difficult is when the game is designed from the ground up to be so. Furthermore, it is also difficult when new content is gated by gear. However, once the person behind the keyboard gears up to meet the content AND the few fringe players beat it and create guides, content then becomes easy once you have completed it. There is always the first or second time that is a bit difficult but once you know when to avoid poo on the ground or jump, or when to attack or use what skill it becomes nothing more than a means to the end…to get the shiny object.

I believe when most people say PvE is easy they have either come from a game that has a higher degree of raid content or this game is simply gated by AR or iterations of said dungeon. Just my personal opinion based on what I’ve done. Outside of fractals, PvE in this game is 10x different than anything I’ve played in regards to ease. Past experience is heroic wow raiding and master levels 1 though 10 DaOC Trials of Atlantis.

Amins.3710:

Crapgame.6519:

Hi Amins, others. Just wanted to ask a few more questions now that I watched the video again and looked at the build.

I see Knights chest and legs. Why legs? I thought I read somewhere when others asked similar questions it has to do with stat distribution? Maybe I answered my own question – lol.

I see 1 hand mace used. Just time and place or you use all (I’m guessing here since I recall you running hammer before I thought).

Why clerics stats on weapons or is that to bump healing stats and leave accessories / armor for better choice? The stat distribution some of you pick is pretty neat. I really don’t get into that level of detail which is why I guess I was asking the question. I guess it is a comfort level you find over time in what you are willing to give up in order to dps a bit more. Survive vs. output.

Thanks for sharing and good job on the video.

Hey Crapgame,

- Chest/Legs = More Toughness & Precision. My goal was 25% Crit Chace Base & 3k Armor.

- I love mace/focus. I posted the bomb video back in jan/feb (12k hits one) and just fell in love w/ the burst. This was the first vid I posted of the full combo… that’s all that was really. The dmg would have been much, much higher if I was in the origional ZD build…

- Clerics -> +healing. Base 550.

Cheers,

Thanks Amins. I figured there was a good reason. Appreciate the time and it is good to see a fellow server member help out the community. I may have pieces of armor around to try it out. What typically happens to me though is that I’m so used to the play style and comfort of a heavy Clerics/Healaway build that when I go DPS builds I usually die quick.

Not sure how you guys/gals do the whole DPS thing in WvW because I end up just mindlessly running into any number of players which typically ends in a quick death Its like I don’t have any form of a governor / limit / or patience and that isn’t GW2’s fault – lol

Mackdose.6504 – You can’t have a treadmill without both the environment and player power increasing in lock step.

The point of “gear treadmill” is that you keep getting stronger, but so do the mobs, thus making the progression an illusion.

So we are debating what the word treadmill means. I get and understand what you are saying. However, content is changing every other week or there about. Seasonal, world boss such as Tequatl, and stats on gear. Weapons just release, armor Q1 or so. More change.

Stats will stay now or so they say. People are people and the company is in business to make money. Will this be it? Who knows. At the end of the day we agree to disagree because in my opinion, there is a treadmill. It doesn’t matter if it is for looks aka textures or stats by color, there is a treadmill in this game because it takes time. Mystic forge, farming bosses, doing whatever it is you do to get the next object is cyclical.

Terok.7315:

AydenStar.4216:

3. We hunger for PvP not standing in towers or in front of them dancing around arrowcart fire most of the time in WvW.

You could try roaming…

Not everyone buys or understands the roaming process. It is easier, and safer, to run in zergs.

There is also a reason to roam (blood lust loop comes to mind) but there is no reward in it. Going back to the zerg taking towers, keeps, and other drive by kills finishes dailies faster and yields loot bags. Taking bloodlust does nothing outside out side of giving your side the bonus…if you spend your play time doing that everyone else gets the loot, you get nothing outside satisfaction of playing how you want. That isn’t bad, just showing a flow in the process which frustrates me.

I love to roam but probably because I came from DaOC…

GW2 needs an alliance feature added to guilds, think roll-up.
GW2 needs a reason to claim something, keeps, castles, camps.
GW2 needs to train the guards to alert guilds/alliance members of attacks to claimer.
GW2 needs rewards for entering WvW (outside of season trial and error)
A. Get more exp for pve/tasks near claimed keep/tower/castle
B. Get more exp for pve/tasks protecting yaks
C. Get more Tx mats for pve/tasks in WvW (anywhere)
GW2 needs to reward players roaming bloodlust loops (this takes time people)
GW2 needs to remove ascended gear from WvW until Q4
A. Why removed? PvP and not everyone has, too many weapon combo’s
B. Possible G v. G EB/JP fight clubs

Mackdose.6504:

Raine.1394:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Mackdose.6504:

Henri Blanche.8276:

Ultimately most of this discussion is moot, even the OP’s otherwise worthwhile analysis. If people subjectively like having BiS equipment, and feel the effort to acquire Ascended items is an unnecessary and unwanted grind, then they will not be happy. They will feel like ArenaNet betrayed them, that most if not all of their promises and statements regarding this issue made in the past were lies. And they will feel especially violated if they played GW1 where the philosophy was very different and balanced.

Any comparison between Exotic and Ascended gear misses the point.

This guy hits the nail on the head right here.

/thread

Good you realized it. People feel betrayed. It is absolutely unimportant what you think people should think. You can tell them that 10% more damage is not much (ask your boss for 10% more money and tell him, it is not much and it doesn’t matter…), but for them it is more then just a cosmetical change.
People will feel betrayed by statements of the past.

The Manifesto and the interviews are haunting ANet, and it will not stop.

Agree with your analysis here. However, I believe it could stop. If Anet did a modest mea culpa and announced that they were ending VP with the Ascended tier, and had decided to move forward with skill/ability progression (a key element of horizontal progression), I believe these threads would stop in short order.

However, you are right, it will not stop as long as VP is in the game and we are being exercised on the treadmill. This is the price they pay for making us ride a treadmill we didn’t choose in the first place. I came to GW2 to get away from VP and the power treadmill.

There is no treadmill. The progress you make makes you stronger vs the environment and the environment isn’t being tuned to keep pace.

You need both player power and environment power to increase to have a treadmill.

They are moving forward with skill/trait progression.

Are you debating what the meaning of treadmill is? Let me ask you a question. Is the content static?

No, it isn’t.

Mackdose.6504:

Crapgame.6519:

Mackdose.6504:

Sirendor.1394:

quaniesan.8497:

runing dungeons and fractual with groups with legendaries and ascended in my super outdated full exotic gear and not a single soul complained or even noticed the difference.

Again, this is PvE. PvE isn’t influenced by ascended.

WvW is.

Take it to the 12 page thread, and until someone shows me how ascended gear affects WvW as a whole and not just 1v1’s where all other factors are controlled for, I vehemently disagree.

You any good at math? It is simple.

Guild vs. Guild – pick any number, say 5 people in each group. Guild group one has only exotics. Guild group two has exotic armor but ascended where applicable. Now, work with me here, which guild group has the extra stats due to gear?

Everything being equal the group that has only exotics is at a disadvantage.

Note: WvW is uncontrolled, unpredictable, and can be any form of combat such has large (zerg / bait ball), small (duo, trio, etc), solo, and other options of combat that stats may or may not matter. But the simple fact that there is a difference in a WvW format of play, it matters. I’ll bet you a gold piece now that when they do implement the JP’s GvG area, ascended gear won’t be allowed or they will enforce some form of gear restriction…

That scenario is statistically rare, and therefore an edge case.

Should we change the rules of an entire game mode to remove a tier of gear for the sake of an edge case?

No.

If your solution was to have everyone scaled up to ascended, I’d be more supportive. I’d still say no change is necessary.

Is it rare? Do you not recall the firestorm that took place not more than a few weeks ago about the dev vs. fight clubs and aftermath? EB JP’s are the target place for fight clubs. Said fight clubs have to have a level playing field. They do in s/t PvP, correct? That is why I said pick a number, 1, 2, 5, whatever. One group has, one group does not, the delta is 10% or some number. It will make a difference.

I wouldn’t scale up ascended. I would actually remove (not allow) it from any form of PvP and leave it only in PvE. PvE for the most part was the target audience anyway, agreed? Those who have vs. have not doesn’t really matter has long has you know the encounters and know when to do x, y, or z… People are, after all, pugging level 40+ fractals and AR resist hasn’t been a limit based on today’s gear.

Guardian – make Torch main hand weapon.

Mackdose.6504:

Sirendor.1394:

quaniesan.8497:

runing dungeons and fractual with groups with legendaries and ascended in my super outdated full exotic gear and not a single soul complained or even noticed the difference.

Again, this is PvE. PvE isn’t influenced by ascended.

WvW is.

Take it to the 12 page thread, and until someone shows me how ascended gear affects WvW as a whole and not just 1v1’s where all other factors are controlled for, I vehemently disagree.

You any good at math? It is simple.

Guild vs. Guild – pick any number, say 5 people in each group. Guild group one has only exotics. Guild group two has exotic armor but ascended where applicable. Now, work with me here, which guild group has the extra stats due to gear?

Everything being equal the group that has only exotics is at a disadvantage.

Note: WvW is uncontrolled, unpredictable, and can be any form of combat such has large (zerg / bait ball), small (duo, trio, etc), solo, and other options of combat that stats may or may not matter. But the simple fact that there is a difference in a WvW format of play, it matters. I’ll bet you a gold piece now that when they do implement the JP’s GvG area, ascended gear won’t be allowed or they will enforce some form of gear restriction…

Hi Amins, others. Just wanted to ask a few more questions now that I watched the video again and looked at the build.

I see Knights chest and legs. Why legs? I thought I read somewhere when others asked similar questions it has to do with stat distribution? Maybe I answered my own question – lol.

I see 1 hand mace used. Just time and place or you use all (I’m guessing here since I recall you running hammer before I thought).

Why clerics stats on weapons or is that to bump healing stats and leave accessories / armor for better choice? The stat distribution some of you pick is pretty neat. I really don’t get into that level of detail which is why I guess I was asking the question. I guess it is a comfort level you find over time in what you are willing to give up in order to dps a bit more. Survive vs. output.

Thanks for sharing and good job on the video.

Cassiel.8762:

Charak.9761:

My current setup for solo roaming for camps/sentries/dolyaks

15/25/30/0/0, knight armour/traveler rune, with zerker trinkets, GS/ Sword&focus

Beats:
Rangers
Mesmars
Guardian
Necromancers

Toss-up:
Elementilist
Thieves

Loses:
Engineers
Warriors

1v2+ is almost impossible since the CD rely on bursting your single target and leaves you open against the other. The tradeoff is instantly capping camps which is what you want to do, get in and get out before the swords appear.

actually now that I think about it, I should run 10/25/30/0/5

Can I have some tips for speedcapping on guardian? Everytime I try to do that blinds just ruin my day.

Scout the area.
Pull archers out either by staff or scepter, or just moving close.
Wall of reflect once you have their attention.
Wait…
Use weapon of choice – I will usually sword 2 in, burst, swap to GS, dead
Scout again, pick melee guards.
Engage camp super – if they had the buff, it should be off now or you time it.

Main thing is to pull only what you can handle, quick. Scouting is because if your server or realm mates play like me, they will know others do similar tactics and wait. I’ve been able to hide in odd places picking off people who don’t pay attention

Fellow community members…please, this isn’t the place. The OP is just reminding to post and the location. I really don’t think this is necessary regardless of how we all feel