Guild Wars 2

foofad.5162:

Crapgame.6519:

Amins.3710:

@OP: Please stop.

We are Shaman Buff Bots.

Did you ever play DaOC?

That is exactly what we did in Midgard. Level up a Shaman, port to RvR zone, find a tower, buff, park Then take your primary and do the real work

Rinse and repeat – lol.

And that’s why DAOC was dumb, despite the throngs of people viewing it with rose tinted goggles. >_>

No game is perfect but at least that game had ranks that actually did, and meant something. Not to mention a portal that provided useful information. Oh, and the keep/tower guards actually provided warning it was attacked, or if you exp’d near your claimed keep/tower you gained more exp, etc.

But yeah, buff bots are a bit over the top and retail CC, boy. What a crazy mess that was but loads of fun with PAC healers and suppression spiritmasters. But I ramble. The game actually fel apart when they attempted to add PvE / Raid content(Atlantis exp pack). Seems many a game that tries to do PvE and PvP end up failing…go figure.

Amins.3710:

@OP: Please stop.

We are Shaman Buff Bots.

Did you ever play DaOC?

That is exactly what we did in Midgard. Level up a Shaman, port to RvR zone, find a tower, buff, park Then take your primary and do the real work

Rinse and repeat – lol.

I’ve tried it a few times and while fun, it just doesn’t seem to work well in WvW. It does catch people off guard though for a few seconds. I was using Carrion exotic armor with Balthazar / flame legion rune mix. Weapon carrion with a 10/20/10/0/30 build. Not sure but if I recall correctly I’ve used both pyroclasm’s build and the burning sticky above but for some reason that is my last gear set up and notes.

Fiery wrath, searing flames, radiant fire, defenders flame, vengeful, supreme justice, permeating wrath. My biggest issue is that I want to use a torch and everyone says you don’t need to. So, maybe that is why I am bad at it because I always ended up using sword/torch, scepter/sword/shield combo.

Kyle.3856:

Amins.3710:

Kyle.3856:

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Careful Kyle, they’ll ban you just for speaking his name.

I hope that’s sarcasm :O

Anyway, I don’t think its too much to ask for the reasons why the devs believe that “dps guard is lacking”. They’ve said it more than once in live streams and on the forums but specifics are always left out.

Another thing we should probably get a discussion on is the eventual nerf to Vigorous Precision. They already said they were looking at changing it but this would heavily impact our class and I think there should be some major discussion on it.

I doubt it is sarcasm They do warn and ban hence my earlier in the thread post about it.

What I find funny although not so much in this thread is that maybe part of the problem is the community? I’ve been reading some of the various threads, posting in some, and every time it seems the general reply is that we are a support hybrid that can do a bit of DPS but that is it.

So if you want to play a DPS class, then re-roll. Oh, every once in a while I’ll get the good O’l L2P!

Fair enough Vargamonth. It does make for an interesting discussion I guess all in of itself. However, it could be that I’m just stubborn and feel like any class should be able to trait accordingly since several of the classes have homologous traits.

I guess it comes back down to the classes not being set in stone per say or rather no specific healing meta. Yet if I want to go full DPS I should have rolled something else such has a thief or elemental. Yet two of the heavy armor types (guardian and warrior) are supposed to be on the frontlines what would separate the two?

Confusing or stubborn, maybe both. Never the less thanks for having a discussion rather than saying L2P

Vargamonth.2047:

Aimhirghin.7502:

More than a “bunker” build, I’ve been looking for a high survivability build designed more to disrupt the enemy team than really stand on a point and defend. I think moving away from the stationary bunker to a more mixed control/survival set up lets me effectively control points like a bunker, while still being useful roaming.

For the kind of role you’re trying to fulfill, you probably shouldn’t use a Guardian. An engineer (even some warrior/mesmer specs) seems to be really close to what you’re looking for.

But “what if” they want to play a Guardian?

Doesn’t that sort of break the trait and play promised of any class? By saying that you sort of pigeon hole classes to a specific task rather than a particular trait combination. That just doesn’t seem right in my book but of course, I always hold the right to be incorrect.

bllius.9027:

Quit playing bunker…

But according to the DPS thread this is all we are supposed to be doing… :/

SoulSin.5682:

Knox.3748:

Proteus.6320:

And when a warrior can spec dps he doesn’t need to Spec for any vitality. Tell me, how do all those “mitigation tools” you boast about (which warriors have many of as well) handle against a thief burst where you have less than a second to react? Only that helps is base HP.

Knox you’re clearly stuck in the past. With players like you, I’m glad I no longer play- have fun with the thread you hijacked.

Enjoy your pigeonholed boonbot so the other real classes can dps.

Why are you posting if you arent playing the game? Are you that kitten bored? And if you have a problem with thiefs as Guardian then clearly the problem is between the PC and the chair.

That ^

And for the people that still believe that the whole Bunker/Support stuff is outdated. I won’t say anything about that mentality where “If I kill more I am strong. If I don’t kill, I am weak”. That’s older than the History of MMoRPG’s itself.

Offensive Guardians are nice. But that’s still not where this class is focused too.
No one is gonna blame you for playing another class if you prefer to play more offensively.
Just don’t try to make a bunker build on a Thief and expect it to work.

Um, who said playing bunker/support is outdated? I think the topic is about a offensive Guardian and DPS. Moreover, what said Guardian player has to give up in order to do so when compared to other classes. Maybe that is something everyone can agree on, maybe not but it is different, agreed?

Furthermore, there is no primary healing role in this game and it was sold that you can trait anyway you want for different styles of play. Is it then only right for a Guardian to DPS? Whatever that is? There are no damage meters here other than who lives and who dies. PvE it is a moot point. However, in the other two formats of play it does matter.

Oh, and in regards to the Thief. They can reset the fight at will, can they not? This is in regards to your comment about trying to bunker on a thief. Pressure or delay of time can be done, is done, and will continue to be done.

I personally don’t play a bunker nor ever have. I run the slower and safer pace healing/support and only do so in WvW. I also go DPS but has someone pointed out in another thread, running a DPS build has a Guardian is, well, selfish.

Just my personal opinion.

Proteus.6320:

Crapgame.6519:

Knox.3748:

Crapgame.6519:

Azylir.9137:

Stop expecting to be viable to do everything at the top, because if the games balanced that wont happen, and our classes initial design/natural disposition is defensive.

One thing I would like to see is the gap between base health pools slightly reduced.

You can’t have it both ways. If a player decides to play a full DPS based class then that same player can’t expect to have the same defensive capabilities has the Guardian. Yet they do.

No they dont. You dont need an high health pool on guardian. This just shows its not a classe problem..

Let me know how that DPS build of yours works out in WvW with a 15k health pool.

If you itemized for 300+ vitality to hit 15k HP, that’s not a dps build.

Just a number for reference. I think when I’m in my dps WvW set up I’m at 16.2k which isn’t that far above actually (exotics mind you).

Knox.3748:

… So your problem is that you cant survive with 15k hp yet i see GREAT Guardians kittening on people on spvp or WvW with their guardian. Please… Guardians started the game as being better than other classes and now just because other classes are getting some good and deserved buffs you are crying. Well.. too bad for you. I still remember when Necro was full of bugs and Guardians were all happy here because their char “wasnt op” but was strong. rotfl. This forum is hilarious.

Actually if you read what I said, I’m not crying. I simply said the player base can’t have it both ways. If a Guardian has to give something up to play a suggested DPS build, then so should the other classes. Simply put, there should not be a hybrid tax just because the Guardian can be more defensive by nature. Why? Because that defensive is given up when they trait to be DPS.

This isn’t unique to GW2 if you have been around the block or two in other similar games. Once the line starts to get blurred between classes, think homologous here please, the Guardian becomes the weakest class because other classes get what we at one time did the best. Does that make sense?

The 15k health pool is just a figure of speech or a number but the point still stands. Compare any of the other classes in their DPS spec, then look at their health, then look at their defensive abilities, and have this discussion. Shall we talk about Warriors, the Thief, or how about the Mesmer?

I agree this isn’t utopia and everyone is equal. However, this game does not have a primary healing roll for any class and therefore you trait to do something. That at least should be equal. If you have a hard time with that then no, we won’t be in agreement at all.

However, I’d still share a beverage with you. So no, I’m not made, uptight, or angry. Just find it odd the way the class works.

Knox.3748:

Crapgame.6519:

Azylir.9137:

Stop expecting to be viable to do everything at the top, because if the games balanced that wont happen, and our classes initial design/natural disposition is defensive.

One thing I would like to see is the gap between base health pools slightly reduced.

You can’t have it both ways. If a player decides to play a full DPS based class then that same player can’t expect to have the same defensive capabilities has the Guardian. Yet they do.

No they dont. You dont need an high health pool on guardian. This just shows its not a classe problem..

Let me know how that DPS build of yours works out in WvW with a 15k health pool.

Azylir.9137:

Stop expecting to be viable to do everything at the top, because if the games balanced that wont happen, and our classes initial design/natural disposition is defensive.

One thing I would like to see is the gap between base health pools slightly reduced.

But would you agree that by telling the person to stop expecting to be viable in everything you should also tell every other class to not expect all of our abilities? You can’t have it both ways. If a player decides to play a full DPS based class then that same player can’t expect to have the same defensive capabilities has the Guardian. Yet they do.

Other classes have higher health pools AND defensive abilities that allow them to either get away or rest the fight. So what is the answer? There are 3 meta’s in the game. Throw out PvE because it doesn’t apply that leaves 2 which focus on PvP meta’s. There is no “formal” healing role in this game. Correct?

Now try and justify what the Guardian gives up in order to play a DPS role compared to other classes that can. And then look at the so called primary DPS classes and look at their survivability in contrast.

To the fella that said they don’t reroll and a few comments by others after words. I’m not going to put words into the fella’s mouth but if I had to guess it is more of a time / investment thing. Some people don’t really like to level up after one character or level alts so their main is it. Once it becomes no longer fun it is time to take a break or move on. I can understand that actually. The good news is that in GW2 we don’t have a monthly fee and can come back at any time.

Amins.3710:

My issue w/ the ZD build is that it does NOTHING for my team, respectively.

Yeah, that is true and I agree 100% (you may have even said it before somewhere in the thread). It is just my go-to trait line when I’m playing around in the ruins solo.

Was going to ask Amins do you think your ZD build will change much due to the changes? I run it but with a bit different armor due to what I had available(citadel runes for example).

quaniesan.8497:

Lots of guardians’ complaint today, lol.

I’m going to join others to call out Anet’s suspicious absence of response after the embarrassing Fracture release, and including this one.

While I’m pretty frustrated I’d not go down the suspicious path yet. Not sure if you work or if so, in what field, but most companies, and people, are winding down in the U.S. for the holidays. They are burning comp and vacation time or their site is closing down. Just how it is.

Now, I’m not going to say it isn’t possible but they are a U.S. based company and maybe that is it. Or, they understand their is a issue and want to check some data / facts before responding. I still say the change was made and the post was nothing more than taking the pulse on the community or change. Or, to be honest, they are letting the players figure out this power build mentioned.

Or, it is a failure to launch and they are embarrassed.

It’s the holidays so it will die on its own.

Roll in some Kansas….dust in the wind.

Keep in mind folks that in the U.S. holidays are fast approaching and many a company shuts down this time of year. While I can’t speak for Arena Net I’d wager people with excess in comp or vacation time may be taking it right about now.

Doesn’t mean one can cover up a riot in the dungeon but may explain why some things are taking longer to notice or even comment on.

mistsim.2748:

lastly, it’s not for zerg diving, period. when youre taking damage from many sources, you either need to block (shelter) or heal to full (SoR).

Maybe add….and pray!

Just kidding all, hopefully that didn’t offend anyone.

Brutaly.6257:

VidGhost.3215:

Why is full celestial bad

And some pieces (Trinkets in particular) makes you loose out on effective stats as well due to “miscalculated” item budget.

So basically dont use celestial trinkets since you can get better effective stats without them when mixing other geartypes.

Hate asking this but since you, and I’m guessing others, are in similar boats of having multiple gear sets; is there a “best practice” in regards to which slot uses Celestial vs. those that don’t?

After reading this it seems that holds true to any gear set. 3 of the 6 armor sets have better stat distribution or spread compared to the other 3 and accessories follow suit? Maybe I’ve been going about it wrong then because I typically have the same armor for knights/cleric and carrion whereas my dps is invader/zerk mix with zerk accessories.

Well, learn something knew every day.

Focus, can we remove it?

Shield, should be the primary blocker.

Torch. Burning should come from using said weapon so make it a main hand allowing use of focus/shield (preferably shield). Maybe this will allow some revamp of traits. Also can we change our condition type so it isn’t over written or is maybe actual useful?

Of course I’m looking at this from a WvW meta point of view. I do not focus or play much, if any, PvE content so not sure what this would do to those formats of play. I do apologize. More so if I over simplify moving torch to main hand.

Dynnen.6405:

Its great if you assume that you are…holding a position and no one is running from you……zzzzzzzzzzz..z.zz….

Actually, from your OP Dynnen this is what I wanted to ask. What position does one hold in WvW? Typically the fights are more dynamic and tend to move or migrate sort of like cat and mouse or hide and seek. Rarely is it focused on one point of interest or within a symbol if you will.

I’ve considered ruins but while the new area is fun there just are not enough rewards for people to roam in that area for any length of time. I mean taking towers or camps yield more loot if that is your thing.

Bash.7291:

Guardians are fine in Pve because mobs stand still, guardians are fine in sPvP because people have to stand in rings, which will be changing, and will honestly show some glaring flaws. Guardians in WvW are pretty much limited to one build in group play, and gimmick burst builds for roaming. But considering everyone plays that one build in group play, half the people don’t see any issues -.-

And two or three other points here.

A. If you don’t put down the enemy with your burst when roaming, you will die.
B. If you don’t put down the enemy with your burst or they mitigate/dodge it, they will reset the fight and you will again die
C. If you fancy a uneven fight or find your Guardian in a 2 vs. 1 situation and you don’t put one down upon initial burst you will die

This is, of course speaking about the “average Joe player” in a DPS build. The point is that running a DPS spec has a Guardian in WvW forces one to make some hard choices. Making an error is just not that forgiving which I think is my complaint.

Not sure how to thread that needle other than maybe becoming a better player.

Blasino.3128:

Because you have to take a pause when you hit the edge of the symbol to get the next pulse of 4 seconds.

The symbol size is 180, you are traveling at 399 s/u so you need to wait around 0.55 of a second to get the second pulse.

Of course our mileage may vary due to network latency Last night when I tried it a bit it was like doing the three Curly shuffle – lol. Lots of running, then a small pause, etc.

Could just be me though but the whole concept of standing in a symbol baffles me anyway. Isn’t the general idea of PvP to not stand still?

Obtena.7952:

If that was the case, why did he even approach the community asking if ‘his child was ugly’?

If I had to guess I’d say just to get a pulse. If the code was set in play or the patch it may have been too little too late with too much data (our response, thoughts, ideas, comments, or feedback) for them to actually do anything.

That is about the only thing I think could have possibly happened. Ask a question, take the pulse, then collect the data and review it. It may take time, but at least they have it and may use it down the road. I don’t have anything else. I mean I went back and read some of the initial discussion in his post and most people flat out said bad idea why not think of X, Y, or Zed…

daros.3407:

xFireize.6318:

Yuck.. So much whining. I guess not a lot of people saw this coming when the patch preview was posted a month ago.

No we did just look at preview topic. But John P. just ignored ever post about it. If he wouldn’t maybe there would be no ,,whining"…

I don’t think he honestly ignored it. But I am willing to bet the change was already in the code and he was just taking the pulse of the community. Sort of like not wanting to admit you are wrong.

I mean honestly, do you want to hear your child is ugly? Am I right? Everyone says their baby is the most beautiful thing on the planet yet we all know that isn’t true. I mean has a figure of speech, I’m not calling anyone’s children ugly has we are all God’s creatures

Hmm…currently in my healaway build but will re-trait to 20/0/30/15/5 and see how it goes. Won’t be able to until later but I think my main issue is that it seems they ask a question or start a dialog but let it fall on deaf ears.

Or, they will use the data at a later time but either way there was a initial request for dialog then the sound of silence

Mightymealworm.8409:

“Guardian

Tank and supportive guardians are in a strong position in many game types. We do feel that damage guardians are not as powerful as they could be. While we don’t want guardians to be as strong offensively as some of the other classes (given their powerful defensive abilities), we opened up more offensive guardian builds.

Then we, Guardians, don’t want other classes to be as strong defensively has we are given their offensive abilities. However, every other class can mitigate or reset fights at will. How is this even the slightest bit fair when we take apart the quote noted above???

Well, according to the patch notes we are in a strong position and they don’t want us to be as strong offensively as other classes. So turn the shoe on the other foot I’d reply:

We, Guardians, don’t want other classes to be as strong DEFENSIVELY!!!!!! See how that works?

Mightymealworm.8409:

“Guardian

We do feel that damage guardians are not as powerful as they could be. While we don’t want guardians to be as strong offensively as some of the other classes (given their powerful defensive abilities).

Why can’t they just call it what it is, a Hybrid tax.

eleshazar.6902:

Jon Peters needs to actually play a guard for a second. He obviously has never played the class past maybe level 10.

They have the data but going off what I see in regards to Arena Net tags when I play, they all roll thieves. I can make this into a startling statistics because I see a low number of Arena Net tags, the overall percentage is low of course yet 100% being a thief, well, speaks volumes.

Watch the liar piece everyone or keep that in the back of your mind. In the forum community it will mean a quick death to a thread, good or bad, and a possible ban. Look, I’d wager most people are either putting the palm of their hands to their forhead or just flat out flabbergasted at the patch notes. However, it is what it is and really nothing we can do about it.

Want some change or attention material? Easy, stop playing the class and it will be noticed. However, with a game over millions played I really don’t think it would be noticed and we’ll come across nothing more has a spoiled brat. Just saying.

To maybe put this into perspective I’d like to point out two threads in which case one thing was done and one was not. Case in point I’d like to bring up the so called Guild vs. Guild thread. Here we had a lot of drama about nothing yet a change was made and enter the newly added open area in the EB JP. Follow the path on the left, head down a few tunnels, and you are in a major coliseum where you can Guild vs. Guild or set up other matches till your heart is content and fingers bleed. Now let me ask you a question to all reading this. What was the percentage of out burst over that drama thread, what sort of outcome did the designers or employees post, and now compare that to the actual use of the new environment….

Enter ascended item introduction and that out burst by the community. Thousands of pages of discussion, ranting, raving, and high fives. Probably the most active or vocal yet again employees made a statement and it is here to stay.

I only raise this has two examples of when something snowballed and cause and effect took place. Yet in the former (first example) it really isn’t benefitting much of anyone. In fact, I’d honestly wager it only satisficed a few people when compared to the Guardian community who provided countless pages of ideas that got completely ignored…and could have helped a much larger active player base.

I think to me, that is the question. Where is the consistency in all this or is it just a knee jerk reaction to the squeaky wheel? Not like there is any monthly fee associated with the game and we can all walk away today. This isn’t a F-16 whereas I can turn on a dime, hit AB, and get out of town. This ship takes a few miles to right the rudder and if I was to be perfectly Frank (don’t call me Shirley) I think the changes were already made and the discussion was a afterthought.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Brutaly.6257:

For wvw

The only stuff i actually determined are celestial chest, legs and head. Those will be the first ones since they have better overall budget.

The only gear i ruled out (besides condition gear) are the rest of the celestials since they have poor effective budget. Im a bit reluctant towrds pvt so i will probably use clerics and valkyire in the rest of the gear since i have all sorts of accessories to tune my stats with.

Runes will probably be boon duration since they open up for more choices in gameplay ie, support, might stacking burst, healing etc. My fall back plan is ofc travelers but it kind of limits the builds imo. Boon duration is never wrong.

What about the possible changes to conditions or whatever that discussion was a while back? Not sure what the devs left off at but wondering if this could change at all?

Hunter.4783:

But zerker is so boring though!

Actually, “I” don’t find Zerker to be boring at all out in WvW. I’m not sure how it is in the PvE romper room, but in WvW I think it is one of skill. The better the player I’m willing to bet Zerker could get boring. Those that are average, myself for example, running zerker gear while roaming keeps one on their toes…

Healaway to me is boring. Wait, that isn’t really fair. It is my go to build and style of play because I find it safer and more forgiving What I mean I guess is that it is a slower pace of playstyle whereas zerk/dps you have to down the person or they get away or reset…

I’d be willing to do some running with you guys. Although I don’t know if Dynnen is actually bad (I doubt it though), if you really need someone to laugh at I’m game. Yes, I key turn But I have 4 sets of gear and trait lines to mess with.

Standard healaway, Amin’s ZD hybrid, Burning/condition, and something else that doesn’t really work based off Brutaly’s AH build (I don’t think I had it geared properly)

Of course I’m on EBAY though…Let’s see, other reasons to pick me:

1. I like rabbits
2. I like to roam
3. I play to escape reality
4. I can listen
5. I like Whiskey

hmm…. Did I say I like rabbits? Just kidding, I don’t own rabbits let alone like them. I did have to choose if I wanted to eat one or starve though in survival school

Kaiser.9873:

Fomby.4295:

First and Foremost

• If you thought the rewards would be good, I sincerely feel sorry for you and your naïveté. (<—woah fancy iPhone correction)

Second

• If ANET would like a decent idea. Create an exclusive WvW armor and weapon set. Give a token or two each season for a piece of this armor and weapon for completing the meta. SHAZAM! Progression.

Third

• #magswag, the only reward you need.

I am with you on #1 and #2. RvR has never ever been lucrative in any game. The reward is the pride and experience. I could get behind making a series of achievements that would allow you to get a set of armor and weapon skins. You cap SMC 5 times=helmet skin. Kill 10 keep lords=chest armor skin. Every 20 tower lords=shoulder armor skin. Take 30 camps=leg armor skin. Kill 40 dolyaks=hand armor skin. Flip 30 ruins=boot armor skin. Kill 500 players=weapon skin. Something like this would be amazing for the W3er, and still allow for PvXers to come in for a bit, get some rewards, and then go do their thing. This would really help to spell it out for people that thought they were going to get a full suit of ascended armor out of their gold league #1 chest. That wasn’t ever going to happen, and will never happen.

RvR? You hail from DaOC? RvR was actually very lucrative in retail DaOC on several fronts. It gave you realm points, realm ranks (up to 12 which took time aka real ladder system), abilities, and with future patches access to Darkness Falls which gave other perks.

Basically you had more risk and reward for doing just about anything out in the RvR map. Claiming keeps provided a reason or more exp killing near it or guards would warn your guild/alliance. Darkness Falls gave more exp, more money, and crafting mats. The list goes on and on why one would enter RvR and play there.

Need I even mention a viable portal that listed top 25 players, guilds, alliances in several statistics. And if you are not in the top 25 you could search on a name and find said person? Wow….so 2001!

WvW, while close and fun, falls short of providing anything even close to what a game released in 2001. I mean claiming a keep and having guards warn you? How can that not be in any game today? Rewards are what they are and didn’t really do much for me, whatever I will get. However, I am sort of mystified why PvE gets more rewards from static content.

If I was king for a day in the WvW department we’d have a quick pow wow, mine some data, and lay out some ground work to right this ship. I love it. It really is the only meta of the game I play. The jump puzzle has huge potential before they dumbed it down (removed siege placement), etc.

Anyway. Time will tell but just wanted to say RvR, or rewards in general, did work. Just this game wasn’t designed that way I’d wager hence repeating or easy to gain ranks that offer nothing…

I see a lot of all classes really but maybe it is specific to a server or you have rose colored glasses on. I will say I do see a lot of perma stealth thieves though. Then again I am biased and hate how they can just reset a fight.

Focus for every reason people said. Just how it works, sad but true. However, on that note I think Arena Net should consider:

1. Making Torch main hand
2. Swap Focus and Shield in regards to their abilities
3. Remove focus

I’m a sucker for shields but it just doesn’t block has much or well has the focus does. While 5 is great for pushing people usually know by Friday night or Saturday morning the enemy knows who uses it, when they use it, and has someone negate it or use stability

Torch, well, is super cool but really wish it was main hand and it really isn’t necessary for most if not all burn builds. So, might has well has use something that gives us more friends with bennies And who here doesn’t like those options!!!

Thanks Akamon, Blasino. Makes sense after you explained it. Like I mentioned I’ve never used it in that form. Always support and when I get caught with it out it never ends has well as Amins videos

Oh, forgot to add Amins. Your avatar/Asura reminded me of Sonic the Hedgehog every time with that helm graphic. I don’t mean that in a mean way, I just sort of giggled a bit because that is what image came to mind.

Amins.3710:

Couple New Vid’s:

Bursty #2

I didn’t get a chance yet to watch the other two but I did finish this one. Well played. I actually enjoy the ruins a lot. Can use the landscape to your advantage which you showed a bit although maybe not your intent. I wish they offered up a wee bit more rewards for controlling the points such has loot for those doing it. Oh well.

I have not used the mace in a DPS setting, only with my healing set up. I was watching how you used it trying to figure it out. Maybe I’m just a bonehead but is it a setup weapon since you are also using Hammer?

Thanks has always. I appreciate the time both in making the videos, editing, and of course answering question. Oh, forgot. Like the Beer, brb piece

Obtena.7952:

On to PVP .. again, a burning build only works in a specific situation for me: An specific build (similar to my sig) roaming with an engineered team.

Has I’m sure you probably already know I am actually one stubborn enough to try your burning build in WvW has a solo roamer Since I had bags of badges I decided to try out the Carrion set and what not. Honestly, it is hit or miss (mostly miss) and I think it is because I insist on using a torch.

Torch should be main hand and shield should block not the focus. Due to this I think I’m missing on a lot of reactive things that come from blocking . I’ve read and believe that you don’t need a torch for burning so I’m struggling with why the torch is even in the game then. Be that has it may using a torch (insisting anyway) is bad and roaming solo isn’t really smart using this build. All other classes that catch you or you attempt to fight will destroy you since there isn’t anything to mitigate (at least that I’m able to I should clarify).

Burning has so much potential but it “I” just seem to fail at it but I keep trying One thing is for sure. Guardian isn’t a good solo class I believe and has more fun or luck with small parties.

xFireize.6318:

Lucentfir.7430:

xFireize.6318:

A 1v1 fight between 2 guardians should never end. If one dies, he/she is a bad guardian. And no, a bunker guardian shouldn’t be killed by a DPS guardian. Maybe OP should find a different class to fight against and post this thread to his/her current match-up thread instead.

A DPS guardian can indeed win against bunker specced guardians with relative ease. If they’re specced healway it’s just a tad more difficult to get them down. It’s just a little more time consuming is all.

A bunker guardian shouldn’t even die to a thief, why would it die to a DPS guardian? I never played other classes other than guardians, but isn’t thief a better DPS class? With how easy it is for a guardian to mitigate direct damage, I don’t see it happening honestly. I find DPS guardian sacrifices too much tankiness if they really want to deal a lot of damage.

I can easily see a guardian that sacrifices everything for DPS dies to a guardian that prioritizes tanking first, then DPS.

But a thief can just reset the fight and start over, correct?

So, here is what I would do. Pick any of the well spoken about DPS builds here. Get some running shoes, food buffs, and sharpen your weapons. Hit the server maps since they are typically less busy. Run through the ruins for a quick sentry kill on the way to other sentry kills and camps.

Here is the deal. You are in a constant state of playing hide and seek. You stay along walls and use the map to your advantage. Don’t just head on the road and expect to be greeted with golden bombs of light and love. You have to play smart. Now, you come to a camp via the back or side. You pull archers first. Just enough for them to bounce a few arrows to your Wall of Reflection. Has they do that you may get a guard. No big, pull it with GS 5, or tele using sword 2 but remember to stay on the other side of your reflection so the archers take their own health down to 50 to 75% health. Once the wall is over, you GS 3 and leap to it and finish it off.

Basically what you are doing is using your wall to let the archers nuke themselves. Once they are half, you teleport, leap, or use sword 2 and meet them to finish. Outside of that you can ignore everyone else. Archers first. Then guards. Then camp super. If you want you can do the super after the archers if you want.

I run Amin’s build while knocking out the WvW meta achievement more or less minus a few pieces of armor and trinkets. It is 20/0/30/15/5. It actually works very well with any weapon I’ve seen. Again. Archers first. Use the map. Stay off the roads. And you will take any camp in under 30 seconds.

Amins.3710:

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Hi Amins. You may have already discussed it but what sort of build did you run in that video? Also, thanks for sharing has always.

Edit. Please ignore my lack of coffee this morning or reading ability. I missed it in the comment section for some reason.

Edit. Question. Do you use the celestial accessories on all builds? I’m trying to decide if I want to invest in them since I am swapping armor and weapons a lot trying to find a comfort build and it seems like it would be smarter to use those. Figured I’d ask.

Zanshin.5379:

I did. But is it enough in a battle?

Considering the huge amount of damage other classes do, I’m wondering if it’s really worth healing in this game. Don’t you find yourself in situations where whatever you do, the ennemy will just out-damage your healing and think “I should have done a pure dps build”?

I’m asking because I like healing but to me it seems our level of healing isn’t high enough compared to the damage we’re losing.

Ignore the traditional meta of healing and tanking since it doesn’t really apply in this game. Rather focus on support and what the build offers to party members.

Maybe it is just me, but make burning come from a actual weapon i.e. torch.

Drop focus and move attributes to shield or move shield to right hand/main so 4 and 5 still work, then equip torch and its two work, and add something for 1.

Too many gimmicks and focus is just ugly. Magic or not, we are not casters and shields should be it. Give the cloth users the focus.

stemare.2578:

fodem.2713:

Nice answer lol , thief maybe ?

+1 thief

Ok, not on topic but I’ll bite because I get destroyed by even the worst thief player How do you guys/gals beat them? I die even with my healaway build. So yeah, maybe I should just uninstall

Please don’t take this the wrong way because I know it may come out that way. But to echo what Foofad mentioned above if you want DPS/Damage then you really need a better build. Furthermore, if you go DPS/Damage route then be comfortable with your Guardian first, then switch things out until you hit the comfort level that best suits you.

I run Christos Healaway build more often than not because it gives me more room for error and supports those I run with (who can deal out the damage). The key here is a small group of 2 to 5 players can run ruins, take camps, or towers and still fight a slightly larger force. To me, that is more fun because I typically live longer On the other hand I’ve tried a 2 burning builds, full DPS build, and one of Amins and “I” find I die too quick to any class I don’t get the jump on. In fact, trying to engage a warrior like you did even with full DPS they just shrug and walk away because it wasn’t enough. Thiefs, if they jump you forget it. Two, just sit and eat dirt.

This is just my opinion. I think skilled or better skilled players around the DPS builds have it better and I’m the first to admit I’m not one of those. Thus the safer healaway build. But yeah, you won’t kill much with it. You win, delay, or they leave

Tarsius.3170:

I think he’s asking what ascended stat prefix is best for general use.

So Zojja’s Claymore which is Beserker Stats since damage is nearly always desirable ( especially on a GS ).

Oh, well then. I’m an idiot

Does it matter when you can change the look of items?

Fun is what you make of it and no two people will probably agree when you are delt kitten instead of cards. With that being said when I’m facing a match up like this (and Ebay has the last couple of weeks) I:

1. Equip hammer
2. Move about map to my favorite hunting spots
3. Target foe, use skill 4 / Banish
4. Giggle like a little school kid watching people get punted to their deaths wondering wth just happened.

When that gets old and people wise up I then swap to sword/shield and replace banish with shield 5 and enjoy similar acts of fun. This is actually ideal to use in the outter map jumping puzzles hiding at the entry Yes, you take the leap of faith only to be denied – lol. Staff also works but, well, I have to have a few secrets for my fun.