Guild Wars 2

Nachyochez.9758:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

You don’t have to hire anyone. You already have people working on the game, so why not just tell the players what you are working on that week? It would literally take 10 minutes at the end of the day on a Friday. Not hard.

I worked in Game Design for a smaller company for two years, and am currently in school for Software Engineering; actually working on my own game engine in the BG as I write this. I say this so you’ll know what I say next is from experience:

Opinion. With all do respect you have very little experience in the grand scheme of things so you probably should have stated it as an opinion rather than experience.

It doesn’t matter about who is talking to whom, they have a history of posting on various forums on the interwebz. Any of us who post or reply to bug type threads are nothing more than arm chair quarterbacks. We don’t work there so anything we say is nothing more than hearsay.

Zenith.7301:

This game doesn’t even have a public test realm. That should tell you how much they actually care about player feedback.

Not even feedback, just overall quality of the game. Every patch lately has had major issues. Let us not even get started talking about the train wreck golem rush event…

Aeolus.3615:

(zerg 1) <————Random casted aoe zone—————->(zerg 2)

dont get in the middle^^

Range has to range. Melee has to melee. Someone has to melee…

I think the OP’s point is more than just put on armor to deal with it. it is a graphical thing about notifications. I’ll go even a step further that it is really breaking the game with this about of ground or aoe target effects and damage.

DaOC ran into this problem when their healers, more specifically Midgards Pac healers, could AOE cc/stun an entire party. Pair of pac healers, pair of suppression spiritmasters = dead zerg. CC was just too much. Current stat of this game with red circles of crap on the ground and AOE reminds me exactly of that problem.

Format really needs to be look at or removed. Romper room isn’t going to keep people engaged.

Aeolus.3615:

Crapgame.6519:

Look at it this way people. No discussion – nothing happens. Discussion gets people to say, “Hmm”.

WvW is a dead format with no direction or indication of what is to come in the expansion pack. That isn’t a dig against the developer. That is just stating what we know today. Now break down how much you play of the various formats and that determines how important it may or may not be for “you”.

The indicators that Anet are giving are not good, more casualty, more easy and lesser effort game play…

Gw2 WvW could have content to be even a unique game…. it lacks so much..
WvW would be much better if it was a “continent” and each server is a zone/alliance of that continent, instead of copy pasta borderlands where players effort is rewarded by a reset and ppt score.
Anet could even introduce special forges and mines in map to aquire mats, hold important zones with good rewards for the alliance or guild, like presecursors due holding more than X days or mats to help craft the legendaries.

A more seamless pvx game, instead the pure casual themepark where everything and every one is the same.

I agree. We can look at the original WvW tournament season one which had a pretty solid requirements that took some time. Second season comes along and it is done in a matter of minutes.

So yeah, you are pretty much spot on.

Look at it this way people. No discussion – nothing happens. Discussion gets people to say, “Hmm”.

WvW is a dead format with no direction or indication of what is to come in the expansion pack. That isn’t a dig against the developer. That is just stating what we know today. Now break down how much you play of the various formats and that determines how important it may or may not be for “you”.

DeWolfe.2174:

Crapgame.6519:

Alliances are a subset of guilds.

Non starter right there.

In context of how they work.

Guild is parent. You can be in multiple yet rep one.

Alliance is similar code yet you can only be in one at a time, period. You don’t want to know who is online or where by looking at the alliance tab.

Jayne.9251:

lol, gosh the more people write about it, the worse it sounds.

One thing to be considered: If there’s a feature that can be abused by players, it will be abused.

The fellow one above me talks about portals from two servers onto one … Nooo, that wouldn’t be abused, at all. Nuh huh.

That would be me. And yes, we would want that abused. It is hitting a map, controlling the ruin portals to open one master portal so your alliance can assist. 1st can’t open but they could prevent… 2nd and 3rdcan open for help.

That isn’t anything that would or could be an exploit. Servers can and do work together. In fact that is one thing a.net thought would happen more but it has not. This isn’t Eve…

I do agree with your comment that people will find ways to exploit to find bugs and use to their advantage but something is needed. Look at last week for a quick example…

Here is what alliances could do with half a thought. Just keep in mind that I hail from DaOC whereas we had alliances from the get go. And they did help.

Alliances are a subset of guilds. Whereas today you can join x amount of guilds while representing one actively alliances should be restricted to one and only one. On top of that it is limited to WvW map(s) only. So one to one and restricted to WvW.

With that out of the way you may be saying, “What”? Yes, one to one and WvW maps only. Those in said alliance – can pick a number to restrict the size of it – get guard messages from claimed towers, keeps, and castles. You could include sentries for a price as well as supply camps but at a high level I think towers, keeps, and castles is a good starting point. Door gets tapped or guard axed, message gets sent to /a, they can react, dispatch, acknowledge, scout, engage, direct, whatever. So far, so good. Alliance is something you join for pride, because you want to, like minded, and now you get warning messages…all on the same server. Still with me? Cool, here is the kicker.

Now, we have server rankings, population balance, and of course the dreaded favorite wall clock coverage. What or how can an alliance help here you might be asking when Joe is on server A but the guard is yelling warning on server B. Well, server B who needs help can hit the boarder land map, control all 5 ruin points, and open a temporary portal to server B that alliance members on server A can join. Slick, eh? Let me repeat. Joe is a member of Whacky Wolf Hounds alliance that is created and hosted on server B yet plays on A. B rallies because they need help and dispatches a group of players to a borderland map to open the portal. They control all 5 ruins, a portal opens, and players from A enter and engage. Portal closes once the ruins are lost or a set time – to be determined.

Ok, this sounds neat you might be saying. There is more. Three servers one if first, one in second, one in third. We all can’t be first, right? So now let us restrict portals from opening to the server in first place. Not fair you might be saying but let us face it. They don’t need the help. They can still get the warnings and all, as they should, but the extra help and portals only work for those in second and third This would help with the wall clock coverage or server that needs a bit more help. They wouldn’t necessarily have queues so it shouldn’t be an issue – or we add another queue for x-server allowance.

What does this do you now may be thinking…

What it does is bring attention and focus to the borderland map. More specifically, the ruins. It gives a reason to hold them. It allows alliances to have meaning. It gets players to work together, and servers. It brings temporary people to a server that needs help. Skills, traits, players, stuff all works the same so the only logistics is with regards to cross realm connectivity – which by the way is already in game because of shards or whatever else happens on the PvE maps. We are just going to isolate it to alliance and WvW. Should work and be cheap to implement with higher rewards.

Oh, and by the way this would work top to bottom and bottom to top. And think of all the drama you could have. See, there is drama within guilds already. Forums, internet, whatever. Well, now we have alliances and all the politics that could form within. You don’t need a alliance bank or other bs. You just need the formation of a private channel, restricted to x amount of players, and claimed towers, keeps, and castle guards to report to when they get beat up or their co-workers killed.

A place for like minded players.
Single point of communication.
Cross realm assistance.
Borderland map play.
Ruins mean something.
Alliance ranks by week, month, etc.

What more can you want…

Naomi.5372:

Crapgame.6519:

You know what they say when people assume?

Been on the same server since beta weekends to include when obsidian sanctum dark room was actually dark. AKA torches didn’t work and you got through there just by trial and error…or changed their monitor settings.

/rollseyes

Then how do you judge the difference between the exploits? I can literally list over a dozen exploits in WvW and none of them resulted in bans. Why would you expect different last week? I just don’t see the logic.

Because you are looking at it from a ban point of view. That wasn’t or isn’t my stance. My stance was that it was launched within a format of play that affected server ranks and scores. That is my first issue. Second issue is that this bug or exploit started to get discussed within 3 or 4 hours after going live. It spread like wild fire and was soon the norm. See the various threads. So, there it is. Could have been fixed within 24 hours probably or disabled until further notice and re-do the weekend. Could have also been isolated to EoTM which by the way is what that map was released for…

Ok, so there you have it. I then followed up to another post listing out reasons why I’d hold off on pre-order if not all together. Pretty valid reasons to me non of which had to do with exploits or lack of banning. It is actually frustration with lack of information and/or action with regards to WvW. If I played some of the other formats maybe it would be water off a ducks back. Since I mainly play WvW – I don’t see the reason to dump the money right now on something that is more of the same. Agree? It is ok if you don’t, I’m cool.

Lastly, let me leave you with this nugget. Does it really matter what happened last week in the grand scheme of things? I honestly don’t know. I do know, however, that there are plenty of articles relating to Sony and SWG’s failure and player alienation when they revamped the games rules and what not. I think it was around the time of the big combat patch, maybe after – 2006. Anyway – you can see what happened to that game… Point is maybe the WvW population is only 2% and they don’t really think there is a huge return on investment there. That is the feeling I get anyway.

briggah.7910:

Rynter.3975:

I doubt I’ll buy the expansion because it’s got nothing I’m interested in. I pretty much just log on to do WvW with my guild and for daily login rewards. None of this new PvE stuff interests me.

None of the elite specializations look cool to you? I watched tempest stream yesterday and have played lots of d/d ele. So far out of all of the ones they shared, that might be the first one I actually try out..

This wasn’t to me but I’ll give you my take since I’m also not buying the expansion. Let me clarify, not pre-ordering.

Elite specializations and do they look cool? Sure, cool. New animations, graphics, cool things, look nice, etc. All great but how long will that last compared to the format of play?

I think if you do a bit of everything and don’t focus on one play style then sure, new stuff is great. But if you only play one format and that isn’t getting the new and cool and exciting stuff why spend the money? I mean yes, you get the trait / elites but if there isn’t anything else outside a map one has to logically ask why buy it?

Remember not everyone plays the game the same way. There is always something to do in GW2 if you are open to PvE. However, if all you focus on is the smaller and less detailed play (sPvP/WvW) then I don’t think it is a wise investment. Just my personal take on it.

Naomi.5372:

I can only assume those who are really mad about the golem exploit have not been around since release, or they would be aware that pretty much every single bug that was exploitable in WvW never resulted in bans. When the Mesmer fall trait bug came about and zergs were being wiped by Mesmers there weren’t calls for bans. How’s this one different?

I am surprised that ANet never commented on it nor fixed it though. I have to assume it was never fixed because it’s simply too difficult of a fix to make within a short period of time and they made the call to just run the week out rather than cancel it.

You know what they say when people assume?

Been on the same server since beta weekends to include when obsidian sanctum dark room was actually dark. AKA torches didn’t work and you got through there just by trial and error…or changed their monitor settings.

/rollseyes

DarkFlopy.8197:

So I had few ppl recently asking me how my BattleCry reacts in Spvp,
So I decided to post it here so anyone can find it and see it

Enjoy!
(Longer duration montages will be made in the future)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmrkw69hBrQ

First time I watched this I said to myself, self – that is one angry Char. Maybe it was the music, maybe the dark sword texture, maybe all the flailing around with swords. Don’t know, don’t care – I just saw the anger

Second time I just watched to see how you played and enjoyed it. Not sure I would have ran into the Guardian like you did with his focus 5 active but it didn’t seem to phase you much – guessing he blocked it rather than it triggering by his poor timing. You destroyed that poor thief – I’m pretty sure he or she didn’t know what hit them. You stayed on top of people for control, nice.

Good job and thanks for sharing. I enjoyed it.

lordkrall.7241:

Can I have your stuff?

No one in their right mind would let a single week out of almost three years decide what they should or shouldn’t do with a game.

I somewhat agree with your thought process regarding one week vs. three years.

On the other had I can see the OP’s point and actually agree. I’ve been toying with the idea of pre-ordering to the tune of 200 bucks. Maybe even 300. We have three people playing. The optimum package to buy is the ultimate because you get 4,000 gems and a character slot. Gives you some beta access which is also nice. That is how I came up with 300 bucks. Still with me? Ok, this is where it gets to the OP’s point of view.

1. Lack of WvW information with expansion pack. Yes, we know of a map but not much else.
2. Still no operational player portal with weekly, monthly statistics for players, guilds, by class, etc that focuses on WvW play.
3. Golem rush – event was in WvW not EoTM – weekly scores still counted and a bug
4. No communication or acknowledgement from Golem Rush feedback or complaints
5. No rewards compared to PvE (defending, building, roaming, controlling NPCS, etc)
6. Population and wall clock coverage issues
7. Server tiers – top / bottom are stuck – middle can’t move
8. Borderland maps – great concept, no movement – ruins dead
9. No alliances
10. Never ending ranks, bogus or meaningless titles, should focus on WvW traits or abilities

“If” or should I say “since” I mainly play WvW and those are just 10 issues I have off the top of my head, valid to me, maybe not you, why would I buy the expansion? Serious question, not trolling?

After a while the same format of play gets boring especially when the server you play on can’t move up or down due to population and 24×7 coverage. Since the 9 issues I list, my issues granted, and no information on how to address them I am not going to play 300 bucks for a new map…

EDIT: I come from DaOC for a bit of background. Not perfect but at least it had a player portal for guilds, alliances, players, by class, by week, by month

Edit 2: Added 10th item for ranking system – needs work, lowered, changed, focus on WvW abilities or traits

I’m not actually sure there is a support role or model anymore in WvW after the patch. That or the game has changed and there are better suited support trait combinations. The general feed back I’ve got so far after roaming in small groups is:

“Tanky”

But I don’t know how that gets back to supporting the group I’m with and winning fights. I’m currently trying:

All clerics gear / exotic
Clerics accessories / ascended
Clerics weapons (mace, focus, and staff) – exotic
Defenders runes

Virtues 2 2 2 (Retaliatory Subconscious, Absolute Resolution, Indomitable courage)
Honor 1 1 3 (Invigorated Bulwark, Honorable Staff, Force of Will)
Valor 2 3 1 (Smite condition, communal defenses, altruistic healing)

I’ve swapped around AH with Retributive Armor and both seem to work. It seems that I don’t need AH if I’m blocking with focus and mace so it seems a bit much. Large fights I block a ton between mace 3, focus 5, etc.

seabhac.5346:

“All Is Vain Golem Train!”

But, seriously, I enjoyed the golem fun and extra fast rank progression from the ktrain. It was a nice break from the ‘seriousness’ of WvW.

Can’t wait to get back to that seriousness though… so yay for reset!!

Herein lies one of the issues people have with the current state of WvW and events like this one.

I enjoyed the golem fun and extra fast rank progression

This is by no means calling you out seabhac but from a purist point of view ranks shouldn’t be based or gained by gimmicks or boosts. They should be based on effort and not time or a grind. Effort by doing something rather than just following a train around or using the exploit.

Taking a step back it sort of demeans the whole rank and file structure – just like having ranks gained by boosts with EoTM map…just my personal opinion for what it is worth. I also noticed you said time to get back to seriousness so of course take what I say just as my opinion.

Fearless.5064:

Hey! This is mostly to Arenanet but i would like some thoughts from you guys as well. The question is about traps. The thief got a buff that is: When someone trigger their traps in while they are in stealth, they don’t get revealed. My question is why have’nt you done this for the ranger too? It’s nearly impossible to run the trapper ranger now, because you get revealed and you can’t just throw your traps far away. (for stealth via the trapper runes). Can’t you guys fix this? I mean, the thief got it.

If they worked like the thief it would be crazy over powered. In fact, it wouldn’t even be close to fair. It isn’t impossible to run trap runes. I see them used often enough and I use them daily. All it takes is a bit of time to adjust to the change and off you go. I’ll even go a step further and say they are actually better.

Two things to understand about the change. First, you have to think differently with regards to placement. Not only where you set them but when and how many you want to run. Also if you use Healing Spring, well, you can use that to set up pre-stealth attack, position of engagement, and a place to run back to get some health.

Secondly, and most important, is that you don’t drop them on the enemy you use them to kite. Thus the adjustment comment. It forces us to think about the opening attack and then the path you lead the enemy to or through. So it is a different play style and personally I think it is a lot better and I see no change or loss.

I run 3 traps + healing spring + entangle. LB/SB mix with axe/torch. Run solo or in a group of 3 – 5 players flipping camps, NPC sentries, and scouting. I find I have same options to evade, engage, or reset.

Xenesis.6389:

Crapgame.6519:

I didn’t pre-order. In fact – I don’t plan to. Is 50 to 100 bucks a big deal to the company? Probably not. Is 200 bucks a big deal (2 players in house), probably not. So really when I look at it, my 200 potential bucks and complaints mean nothing at the end of the day.

Happy Friday all – hope you have a good weekend.

But you are not the only one thinking of or doing this, so it doesn’t mean nothing at the end of the day. This week has done some damage to their reputation and sales of the expansion.

I don’t disagree actually. I was saying my few bucks probably don’t matter.

I agree there is damage but I don’t know to what severity. Nor do I know how the upper tier servers are fairing. Heck, I don’t even know to what degree the issue was abused outside the few people I ran into while doing my dailies or those I heard talking in /g about doing it.

I know it happened. It kept me out of the format outside completing dailies. It also made me think about pre-ordering two copies which I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m not. This is based on my mainly playing WvW with a bit of sPvP thrown in, the 23rd patch, this week, and no information with any significant WvW content in the expansion.

Once a cheater, always a cheater. Just my take on it.

I honestly don’t care if it is a bug, working as intended (which I doubt), or exploit. When people stoop to that level of play the overall format of play is broke. No different than when we’d see Radar users in DaOC or other speed hacks. Furthermore, this isn’t he or she is doing it I need to in order to compete.

Basically what we are left with is a half baked event that they patched in and let ride for a week. No thought of what may or may not happen let alone any follow up. Just drop and go…

Fine by me. Got more stuff done this week than normal (better half is happy) and I didn’t pre-order. In fact – I don’t plan to. Is 50 to 100 bucks a big deal to the company? Probably not. Is 200 bucks a big deal (2 players in house), probably not. So really when I look at it, my 200 potential bucks and complaints mean nothing at the end of the day.

Happy Friday all – hope you have a good weekend.

I reported two of my guild members for doing it. I honestly don’t care who is on first, second, or third. This should have been tested prior to implementation or if truly missed then fixed by Saturday morning with the evening the latest.

Few guild members running this. Even spoke about it in /g. Couldn’t get it to work, so they got into TS to coordinate /sigh. Got into a bit of a tiff since it seems they didn’t think it was a exploit but just another bug.

Whatever really. I just de-rep and logged. Only thing I did this week was login and do some dailies. It did take me out to WvW for a few minutes but nothing long tern nor was I on for much more than 30 minutes. My guess is that is how the next couple of weeks go I’ll un-install.

This reminds me of the Ascended thread in /general. 10,000 or so posts and finally they came in and said something. Here we are just a minority of players who while maybe doing the right thing and actually like the play style there isn’t enough reason for the designer/devs to ack our concern let alone fix.

2 gold says this bug has been around a while and we never noticed it and it will be here post Friday…

They fixed other areas that could have been used unfairly. Several towers whereas siege could hit walls not intended or other areas since blocked off.

The designer / publisher sound of silence is amazing though outside being a pretty solid song.

Only way this gets addressed is if:

1. someone has the b@lls to post how it is done or code/app
2. everyone stops playing on the servers it is more abused
3. more people start running the code/app

Honestly, the company doesn’t care and has higher priorities. Proof is the 23rd patch is still a mess and now the golem week rage. Any other company or wider spread issue and they would be all over it like stink on poo.

Jayne.9251:

Someone should do a sociology paper on the fascinating contructs of a gaming message forum.

1. Players are mad at developer over something.
2. Developer remains silent.
3. Players start to attack each other instead.
4. Developer no longer has to respond because all topics have gone way off-track and people are beginning to forget what they were mad about in the first place

You won.

I’m still not going to WvW anymore this week. Heck, may not even return to the game. We’ll see. Addiction to the friction is a tough nut to break though so who am I kidding.

Tank wars is → way

Only thing this is good for if truth be told is leveling alts and getting some quick loot. Outside of that it really isn’t helping much in regards to the total WvW feel or play style.

Wizigard.4760:

Then please go duel to Obsidian sanctum…

That was supposed to be the location after all the drama last year. However, not many use it and the whole map is a ghost town. No longer required for map complete, no siege placement, no fights. Another fine example of a.net caving in and not knowing what to do with it.

Every time I see 2 players fighting I have dilema

Sort of. But at the end of the day they have a play ground that isn’t taking queue spots. So the way I see it – red is dead. Obsidian Sanctum or take it to sPvP.

But that said… the fact that you can chill “peacefully” in wvw shows that something is indeed not right… no more needs to be said to that. We can argue about what’s real point of wvw. We can say that if it’s fun then you are indeed having a good time however it seems that important part of wvw players is not having that good time. I still play wvw and enjoy it because of people (not duelists) and sometimes hilarious situations this event creates but it quickly get’s boring. It however makes me respect people that despite the circumstances, command, try to deffend and upgrade… that would be the only positive side of this event, and also loot.

You are not going to be able to hold a reasonable discussion with the fella because he was caught exploiting with his own image. Taking advantage of, cheating, abusing, exploiting, whatever you want to call it – he posted the image with the information and got called on it. What is the saying?

Once a cheater, always a cheater.

Done with exploits and abuser and back on topic – I’m sure there is some valid data to be mined from the event. My opinion is that they are out of touch, designers, with regards to WvW. It could be time, it could be money, it could be no competition, and it could also be that they don’t really want the format in play anymore due to constant balance or code paths. But one thing that would be nice is the sharing or discussion of information so we at least would know.

Odyssey.2613:

jgak.3056:

If only ANet had some kind of forum they could use to communicate with us……

They do.

It’s called Reddit.

Yeah, because Reddit is in such a good place right now also. Much like that of the recent patch and this event. Probably the only reason they read that site is so they have an excuse to see the shaddy side of it…er, NSFW.

Omie.4519:

oh sorry here ya go. I cant help it if i get into a golem at the same time as somebody else. you understand bro.

Right…whatever makes you feel special…

roseimperial.9326:

I’ve reported all the players who were using this exploit in WvW. I hope anet actually does something about it and bans those players.

Lol – don’t take this the wrong way because it isn’t directed at you. But they won’t do anything at all but continue to reward them with WvW ranks, exp, and loot bags.

First sign of this and the patch / event should have been removed. Just goes to show that:

A. they don’t care
B. they are inept
C. they have no Quality Assurance

Sunreva.8714:

Why hasn’t this been fixed yet?

Can we disable this golem buff please?

No, you have to deal with it. Working as intended. We all have to deal with it.

Sad, but true.

Ezrael.6859:

No surprises that this guild is exploiting the hell out of the bug.

Working as intended. This game has gone to the kittenter.

Notsoperky.4291:

I’m loving the one guy defending the event and saying we should try and defend and try and enjoy it- or even funnier, spend money upgrading stuff.

It’s pointless upgrading anything when sooner or later it will be flipped by 20+ duped omegas or a blob abusing the exploits.

It’s pointless trying to fight said blob, unless you like being a bag.

So what’s left? Either log off (pve isn’t really our thing) or k-train and at least collect some loot while travelling around in circles. It’s marginally less boring than doing SW- at least in wvw every now and then you run across a blob and collect bags in a battle where damage figures are stupidly high.

Wvw players didn’t ask for this event, and all it demonstrates to the wvw regulars is Anet’s sad disregard for the game mode and it’s players after years of neglet.

This is pretty true and sums it up. Add to the fact there is never any feedback. WvW is a train wreck at the moment.

Red Daing.7804:

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Working as intended…

Stark.1350:

I see a lot of complaining about coverage when it comes to WvW.

But I’ve never seen any decent solution posted by anyone. Sadly the only one is having it like EotM – red, green and blue. But that kinda takes away from server identity.

Coverage is a bit complicated and isn’t unique to GW2 community. It will actually take some development resources, time, and money. Since they don’t think there is any ROI it won’t happen. This dates back to earlier games such as DaOC which had similar population issues with classes and servers. So no, not unique here.

As to why you don’t get decent solutions by anyone that isn’t really true. See my point above in that this is really a larger issue and at the design level. It sort of goes South when you have server rankings and transfers. There needs to be cross server portals, alliances, and other things to bring in reinforcements.

However, what we have today is nothing or no interest or with respect to the designers or developers no communication. Thus, to the community we assume the worst and say nothing is being done.

Svarty.8019:

Teon.5168:

I wish Anet would find and hire some of the old wvw/rvr developers from the old game Dark Age of Camelot. RVR was one of the few things DaoC got more right than any other mmorpg out there, imo.

Matt Firor went here.

Yeah, and that turned out really well.

2016 is the proposed launch of the new DaOC. Maybe it is a time to take a break for a bit. I’ve not pre-ordered HoT nor do I plan to until they shed some light on WvW. If there isn’t anything then I got my monies worth from GW2 so far and call it good enough.

Good thing about the game is that there is no monthly fee and I can come back anytime.

Please don’t make me bring up the old Obsidian Sanctum thread(s) whereas the PvE’ers had tears the size of skittles because the WvW maps and JP’s made up part of the world/map complete. Yeah, those where the days when you could place AC’s throughout the JP’s and just gank people until the cows came home. Rage quit, guild rushes, dark room fun, arena dome slaughtering, trap using, and anything else that you could imagine would happen but the PvE player base cried to no end until it was removed and siege no longer would drop.

Yeah – those where the days…now it is a ghost town.

Guess the devs never played DaOC…

No, it isn’t LoL or any other RTS type esport. However, it was very competitive in regards to player, guild, and alliance stature. You had the hard core 8 man roaming groups just as you had the solo stealthers controlling the main gates. You had scouts, solo, and then you had relic takers and zergs.

Here there is no relic. There is no reason to defend. There is no player portal listing players, classes, guilds, or anything relating to a searchable information board. No bragging rights. WvW ranks are increased by boosts and EoTM map play. No alliances. No developer commitment or feed back. Nothing to separate progression between anything else.

Thank you Warcraft World for defining the play of sPvP because not everyone likes being confined to a set map size or space. Some actually like the open world PvP that RvR / WvW yields when done halfway right.

briggah.7910:

I tried to make this point several times but people would rather give up it looks. It is not much fun but take a break from the normal WvW for the rest of the week and try to make the best out of it. If the best you can make out of it is to give up well then so be it. Those that just throw in the towel are making it harder for people that are just trying to still have fun and make it through the week.

They don’t give up. They are struggling why this was placed in a ranked format of play (all be it server ranking) rather than EoTM.

Believe it or not there is a player base that takes pride in server and player ranks. This sort of made it the wild west and the so called exploit isn’t helping any. EoTM was promoted to be the sand box for this sort of stuff. That way it doesn’t skew any results for the week in regards to match / ranks / and points.

You know what is fun to me? Having the devs make every map a FFA PvP environment. I’d like to see how much you accomplish in PvE that week with all the ganking going on and slaughtering of innocent bystanders.

Look back at the Obsidian Sanctum and BL jump puzzle requirements for map complete and all the rage that followed. Forums ran with alligator tears the size of skittles because people put AC’s in there or other siege to PvP and/or gank. Over time that requirement was removed as was players not being able to place siege anymore.

Now it is a ghost town…

Flip side Johje is that now everyone is gaining WvW ranks at an incredible rate to include levels and loot.

This is just a vague example I know because boosts and EoTM map sort of negates my argument / response but it is still somewhat valid. If you do not participate while maybe doing the right if you are in protest others are not and therefore gaining and taking advantage of the situation. To complicate matters there is the bug or exploit which is going around (yes, I got nailed with it several times via NSP (and I’m sure some of our boys on Ebay also partook)) it really should have been done only in the sandbox for which they originally designed being EoTM. That was, after all, the so called purpose of that map. To try new things while not disrupting WvW servers and ranks.

Now – to go along with what you said do any of us know if the weekly stats are distorted due to the Golem and said exploits? I do not know.

Regarding A.net reading forums – I they think they do. They also make knee jerk reactions. Take a look at all the G vs. G drama that happened last year. What did they do, moved it to obsidian sanctum. Depends on what server you play on the activity of it. But wait a minute, wasn’t the OS originally a FFA jump puzzle required for map completion?

Oh yeah, too many people complained that it was too difficult and you removed the requirement. But first you removed the siege or placement there of. Oddly enough people still rage quit when you play with them a little bit using the various traps. Guess timing, PvP, or using the mystic pools is too much to ask.

Point is – they do listen to some of the player base but maybe not what some want…

Zetsumei.4975:

Cant wait to see anet squirm when camelot unchained is released

One can only hope. 2016 is the window which probably means later half if he makes it. If they can pull it off there isn’t much GW2 can do to compete. If it has anything close to Darkness Falls.

Well, so long and thank you for the fish.

I only play WvW. Few games here and there in Unrated sPvP to test builds or sigil combinations.

I only have world / map complete on my original main, Guardian in which case I PvE’d but it was a means to an end only. Every 80 since does not have map complete and reached 80 by a few crafting levels and tomes for the finishing touch.

I got burnt out on PvE back when I had to complete 10 master levels upon DaOC’s Trials of Atlantis retail launch. That was mind numbing enough and because I didn’t have enough fun I did a few raids in WoW to include the original Naxx 4 horseman which needed faction complete to enter. Not the baby stuff since the launch of the rest of the expansions…

pathika.3029:

It was fun for a day but now it’s just a pain… even although my server is able to maintain two waypoints most of the time. I hope this is not an omen of what WvW will become with the HoT release…

Not much coming in regards to HoT and WvW. Just isn’t there outside a new map. Everything since has been a bust or for easy access to levels, WvW rank, and loot.

Orbs – bust.
Jump puzzles – bust.
EoTM sandbox – bust.
Ruins – bust.
Golem Rush – bust.

Still no player portal for weekly and monthly stats by player, guild, class with regards to WvW. Searchable. WvW rank structure is a never ending ladder, no meaning. No dedicated finishers. No points or rewards for defending. 24×7 balance issues due to coverage. Top 3 servers think they are pros while bottom 3 think they are trash – mid pack can’t move. Server transfers.

List goes on and on that indicate they are not 100% sure what to do with the format of play let alone if they want to invest resources to do something. That is why we got golem rush. Quick and easy with little effort.

EsarioOne.9840:

This is great! Anet should do some more events like this all throughout the game to liven things up.

My preference would be to let every zone be a pvp / WvW zone. Would be more fun than just mindless golem rush.

CETheLucid.3964:

Crapgame.6519:

What makes you think they will? Companies rarely admit they made on error in their ways.

Crapgame.6519:

I’m not sure they will admit anything with regards to this

Crapgame.6519:

Didn’t ask for an apology.

But how do you really feel?

Crapgame.6519:

You posted on page 14 and replied to me. Notice other posts with different names? Maybe others do share similar opinions. Imagine that.

Right? It’s almost as if different people have differing thoughts and opinions on things, like golem rush events.

Last I checked, WvW is even more populated than usual with folks playing with golems, not less. Certainly nothing that indicates people hate the event.

If it’s such a lousy event don’t you think people would vote with their feet primarily, in addition to their mouths?

Oh and BTW, if you’re trying to make a point with regards to the post count here: it’s a megathread merged with every repost regarding the event.

The positive and the negative. It’s neither impressive nor comprehensive. But hey, we have a week.

Since you managed to quote me again where did I say they owe an apology?

Actually if you read what I said in some of the posts here we actually agree – if it isn’t well received then don’t play. Arena net will get the hint that maybe it wasn’t such a good idea. However, in between if people want to voice their opinion this is the place to go… It doesn’t matter what side of the fence you are on to me with regards to this event or whatever we are going to call it.

If you like it – game on.

Won’t work, they are afraid of servers or people ganging up on others or again misused. There really isn’t a way to solve the issue other than limit the number of people on a map and reduce the contest duration.

They could create alliances much like guilds and let you be a member of 5 but only rep one a week or at a time. Then tie controlling ruins to make gates open on the other servers requesting help and/or additional resources. This would make the ruins and BL’s a hot spot and worth playing in while promoting alliances and help to those under populated.

Portal only opens while ruins are in your control. Closes once lost or contested. Higher ppt or population at the time can’t open portal but 2nd and 3rd can. Could tie death not allowing you back in so must use another portal. Can limit the time allowed in so you have a specific window, or bust, player base to defend and/or take.

At the moment they are not doing much if anything in regards to WvW – it is just a dead format of play in this game. That is why we are seeing things like golem rush where all it is is a ktraing, easy rank gains, and loot.

This week? You should be riding in Golems…

You want a week WvW event? Here is one.

Make all maps a pvp zone. Problem solved.

CETheLucid.3964:

Crapgame.6519:

Vavume.8065:

Crapgame.6519:

What makes you think they will? Companies rarely admit they made on error in their ways. I don’t expect this company to be any different. It is in. We either go along and play, or sit it out.

Because Arenanet have a history of making mistakes and then admitting it and fixing it, most recently the whole pre purchase extra character slot they gave out after realizing their mistake, or if you look further back there was also the flame kissed armor issue where people blew up the forums demanding refunds and they also admitted that mistake and corrected it, there has been other times too I just cant remember off hand, but 3 or 4 times over last 3 years they have admitted fault and made corrections, so yeah that’s why…

Interesting. I see your point.

I’m not sure they will admit anything with regards to this and we are all still reeling from the last patch and effects still in play for some classes.

Or maybe it wasn’t a mistake that warrants an apology and other players are actively participating in the event, enjoying it. Maybe not everyone dislikes the event or shares your opinion.

Imagine that?

Didn’t ask for an apology.

You posted on page 14 and replied to me. Notice other posts with different names? Maybe others do share similar opinions. Imagine that.