Guild Wars 2

Vavume.8065:

Crapgame.6519:

What makes you think they will? Companies rarely admit they made on error in their ways. I don’t expect this company to be any different. It is in. We either go along and play, or sit it out.

Because Arenanet have a history of making mistakes and then admitting it and fixing it, most recently the whole pre purchase extra character slot they gave out after realizing their mistake, or if you look further back there was also the flame kissed armor issue where people blew up the forums demanding refunds and they also admitted that mistake and corrected it, there has been other times too I just cant remember off hand, but 3 or 4 times over last 3 years they have admitted fault and made corrections, so yeah that’s why…

Interesting. I see your point.

I’m not sure they will admit anything with regards to this and we are all still reeling from the last patch and effects still in play for some classes.

Vavume.8065:

I wonder how long they are going to sit with egg on their face before they put their hands up and admit they made a mistake and stop this event.

What makes you think they will? Companies rarely admit they made on error in their ways. I don’t expect this company to be any different. It is in. We either go along and play, or sit it out.

If it was really a bust like some in this thread has said, and others who don’t read or post on the forums feel likewise, then the only way it will end is if all of the WvW server maps are ghost towns. I don’t see that happening just by looking at the current points…

There are many who do like it though – I’m sure arena net will have statistics to represent what they want at the end of the day. Some of the /map chat I’m reading tonight is that they are jazzed – more WvW ranks which is 10x easier and faster with loot.

Champ farming / karma train if that is your thing. I gave it another hour – not my cup of tea.

Chuck Zitto.2367:

You know what would have been more fun and leans towards what players been asking for a long time for. Making the event something like all gates/walls take 1/3 the normal damages from players and siege equipment. Would have made for some epic defense/offense siege videos.

They probably thought speed golems and everything thrown in would have achieved similar results. Now if truth be told in our match one side did manage to fortify one or two towers and their keep. Rest, paper.

Kraljevo.2801:

Jski.6180:

One week event and wvw is dead i see.

If it was that easy to remove you from a game type for a game are you sure you like RvR as much as you say you do? DAoC made a lot of bad chose from what i understand that pushed most ppl out of there game (or they would be playing that game now and not GW2).

Every thing has potential when its not out or when your not playing it becuse then its just your own mind to make things up but when you sit down and realty think things out you find that your ideal of potential end up being comply unrealistic for real RvR set up.

I will completely disregard your first sentence since it shows that you didn’t properly read my post. I’ve been playing WvW since beta and I remain neutral towards the golem rush event.

DaoC made many mistakes, I agree. However, it was not the reason why the game died. It pretty much lost the war with WoW (In its golden age) in the subscription market, just like countless other games. I really see no shame there.

The only mistake DAoC made was introduce PvE into a game that wasn’t designed for it. There is plenty of documentation in regards to this as to why things are called bounty points, etc. PvE or more importantly the basic quest system was put into place only for a means to an end – i.e. level. That was even changed a bit over time with the addition of Darkness Falls, experience bonus for fighting near claimed towers, Red Caps and other mobs that you could chain pull to power level, etc.

Yes, we had a dragon you could zerg down but that is all it was, a mindless zerg attacking a single mob. Over time as few as 3 to 4 people could master it. Same with the boss at the end of Darkness Falls – zerg, zerg, zerg – mob rules. Frontiers changed RvR basic rule set and that didn’t bode well. Then add in Trials of Atlantis with master levels (10) that took for ever to complete PVE stuff, mixed in with advanced weapons that you had to farm scrolls for, well, it messed everything up.

Back to the OP and point -the future in my opinion doesn’t look bright. No competition so they are not forced to do much of anything. Expansion pack so far hasn’t showed anything in regards to WvW enhancements. Loot is still more favorable in PvE to include weapon textures. Server balance in regards to wall clock 24×7 coverage wins. Top 3 think they are the pros – bottom three hate life – middle ground are the life and blood of the WvW community yet can’t move up because they hit the population coverage stature of limitations…

Furthermore, and I’ll leave it at this. Back to reference DaOC – one thing that they had that GW2 doesn’t is the Camelot Herald. A portal that listed the top 25 players by class, guild, and alliance weekly. It didn’t stop at 25 – you could search names and find yours to see how you did. Realm ranks, kills, and other stats which gave a reason to continue on as well as bragging rights.

I’ll end it here. They tried to copy and implement RvR – we can clearly see that upon launch. We had orbs, DaOC has relics. That failed, so they removed them. They gave us ruins – no one uses them. They gave a new map – EoTM – karma train and a way to gain levels quickly. Everything they have tried or suggested or even gave a slight interested in has stopped and become stagnant.

So the future, in my personal opinion as I only play this format, does not look bright because there is no attention paid to the format.

Not fun – my feedback since playing on the same server since beta and head start.

Worst idea – personal opinion.

Bad timing – we are still trying to adjust to the patch that has a few classes under power while a few are still busting at the seams with too much. This isn’t helping any and only frustrating some players. I’m not going to speak for everyone but it is frustrating me.

What is the goal and/or objective for this week? Data collection? Idea for expansion? Wild kitten idea? Hail Mary? Free WvW ranks and chests? Karma? Null and void any work by existing players?

EoTM – wasn’t this the map for stuff like this?

What is the future of WvW and GW2? 2016 has a game coming out which created this format of play if they are on time. My guess is you have 12 to 16 months to sort out the method of play otherwise you will lose the player base. An expansion isn’t going to cut it. There are not many rewards. There is no portal for any form of substantial statistics for players or guilds. Opinion – there is already a big challenge to play and stay focused with population and wall clock coverage vs. server rank.

Adding things like this isn’t helping and honestly giving one pause to do something else for a while. That while may turn into a longer while…which means those remaining suffer who in turn end up leaving or doing something else.

Not doom and gloom but I honestly wonder why this was put in play on this map and what the return on it was.

I use the trapper runes with rabid armor, axe/torch, and swap between LB/SB. I was comparing it to your builds out of curiosity I’m mostly solo roaming WvW to scout while flipping camps, etc.

I went:
Skirmish 3,3,2 (Trappers Expertise, Hidden Barbs, Light on your feet)
Wilderness 2,2,1 (Oakheart Salve, Refined Toxins, Empathic Bond)
Nature Magic 2,1,2 (Instinctive Reaction, Evasive Purity, Protective Ward)

LB is sigil of air and incapacitation
SB is sigil of doom and earth
AXE is sigil of agony
Torch is sigil of geomancy

Another area I may be weak on is accessories – I am all ascended celestial. I believe I tried marksman before but swapped back to NM for some reason. Maybe trying to get more bleeds in. Overall traps work well and I get some tells saying nice idea, good stealth. If I play well I usually have a good chance of winning. Higher skilled players still come out on top regardless so I don’t feel the build is cheese or is a i-win.

I am also trying some of the double melee with it but roaming with friends can be difficult due to lack of speed.

Thanks for sharing and good job.

Fluffball.8307:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Gah, I’d like to oblige since I’m on SoS, but you’ll have to wait… What’s the build?

Basically the one in your thread. I have a few changes I make if I have time when I see opponents coming. Obviosuly Sic Em is only useful against thieves mesmers and LB rangers.

The defender runes are obnoxious. I’m not sure why more people aren’t running them on all classes. If Anet ever reads my threads I’m going to be kittened, because I’m totally reliant on those things at this point. My skill level is plummeting.

I use those runes on my guardian with mace and focus and they work well. I would never thought to try them on my ranger. In fact I am drawing a blank on how they would proc even…

blitzkrieg.2451:

you test a class against truly good players, not scrubs in WvW …

So you are saying that there are no good players in WvW? You do know that sPvP players, your standard, not mine, also play WvW?

You have some b@lls, I’ll give you that. But that is about it.

Amins.3710:

Do you mean Vid wise, Crapgame? That last one was done over the weekend: 7/12.

Shattered Aegis is a phenomenal havoc grp build. The insta-gibb’s are crazy when paired w/ a shatter mesmer as you have a tendency to save their clones from being killed before they shatter ~or~ SD Engi.

Example in that is at 1:18 – not the targeted Ranger, but the guy to the upper right. He gets hit w/ a tripple aegis shatter for 12k.

You can also take Retal. Subconcious over Contender in Virtues for another burstst every 30s on CC’d.

Mace is still a bit difficult, but if you can fit it into your playstyle, there’s another dbl AoE burst every 15s.

It’s a great grp play build w/ Communal Defenses being on such a short cooldown. Lot’s of huge bursts if your grp is running tightly.

NOTE

If you’re run’n solo, i’m inclined to say Radiance is better than Zeal… take alook at zodjin’s solo roaming build…. though I don’t agree with his last vid statement about how bad Zeal is.

Clearly its for a different situation, as shown here.

Thanks Amins. I missed the 7/12 one.

Also thanks for the additional information. I’ve actually not played my Guardian much in regards to DPS roam since patch. I’ve been trying to get some form of support to work with a few I roam with when not solo – thief, ele, and necro but not found anything I like. I end up switching back to my Ranger which feels a bit better to play.

Again, appreciate the feedback. I’ll have to do a quick inventory of what my Guardian has and see if I can try some of the ideas out. Bit rusty and the pace is pretty fast on ebay right now due to the match up. Lots of fights I’m getting into I am usually out numbered from the start.

Enjoyable as always. Just wondering if you have anything after the changes recently? First few days post patch everything was a bit wonky and in some cases Mesmers are still somewhat broke as are ele’s. Couple weeks since things have somewhat toned down and people have adjusted a bit.

Then again, I still enjoy how you and your team navigate and engage. I think more people should learn that tactic.

DaShi.1368:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

How is it that you predicted this? Selkittennowledgement of Mesmers OP status?

I predicted that the ranger forum would soon have a nerf another profession thread in it, despite others claiming that the lack of one meant that rangers just focused on improving their profession.

As I said before, rangers should spend more time trying to address the actual problems with their profession than calling for nerfs on others.

Right – but everyone and their grandmother knows the state of Mesmers right now. There is no trying to hide it. The patch put them in their own league so let us not try to put our heads in the sand like an ostrich and pretend it doesn’t exist.

aspirine.6852:

That myth is still active I see, that pvp players are better than wvw roamers. They are way better in one thing, that is win pvp matches, that does not make them better against any good wvw roamer.
Also i watched Potatoveg on stream this weekend and I thought he handled himself more than fine. Nice build he has.

Welcome to the digital age of kitten envy….

Basically a few people are debating about what ‘roaming’ means and how it is this on this server and that on that server then it is something totally different in this format of play compared to that. Whatever really but what we do know is that sPvP is confined to a map of set size with objectives and stat constraints. On the other hand WvW is not and allows PvE stat creep along with upscale play. While stats or ascended creep can assist in ones play it does not make or break a fight. But again, see my opening statement and you will see my view on it. All it brings to the table is more kitten waving…

To say either format of player is better is just sheer ignorance.

I don’t know if this is class vs. class or spvp or WvW one thing I know since the patch is that frontline anything is 10x more difficult (in my opinion). Small skirmish HAVOC type fights it seems to be going ok.

On the other hand when we are talking about 2 servers zergs or in some cases a 3 way fight there is some much crap flying around and/or focus fire you could have 10,000 toughness and every type of mitigating food, armor, sigel with the wind blowing at your back and still melt

Honor, virtues, and valor – again, just my opinion with what I’ve been toying with @ 3200 armor, mace, focus, staff.. I’ve just not found the right comfort level to do anything in that size of a fight.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Maul one shots?

I’m thinking that character may want to change his name…after that Molly Whop he won’t be so “Happy”.

Dirame.8521:

WvW Build: Uses Shortbow to hit targets from range
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAV8fjMqQ5K2wCusAVLGYEqec78MgLgLPA+Wf1T9LGqKI-T1hHABBt/AAXBg20Nso6P2pEMgHCgRK/CAgAMzZmMLzgxLexLexLem5Mn5Mn5MLFAEjtA-w

Wondering why you selected trappers expertise? I guess I can sort of get it although I use it mainly with trapper runes. In fact, I run somewhat similar of a build in WvW but went nature magic instead of beast mastery. Also use Axe with my torch. Lately been running short bow but long bow also works just depends on who you are running into while roaming – I should say me anyway

Thanks – will take some more looks

Range is your friend if you are a bow user.
Make sure you are attacking the correct target. Leave Sally, Molly, Jane, and Doe alone.
Traps help.

Those are the things I typically do and have some level of success even when I’m using SB.

HotHit.6783:

If you get good at performing a reverse Hornet Sting quickly then you can use sword with a torch or dagger for your secondary weapon set

Sadly, this always leads me to a quick and timely death if I am near high places

To those of you who have mastered this, you are the higher skilled players Practice makes perfect I’m sure but for me it usually leads to a quick death.

Thanks Frou – wasn’t trying to nit pick. I usually am solo roaming flipping camps and NPC events while calling out where the zergs are. If I run into a few others sometimes we group up. I just ask them to target so I can assist and stay at range. Makes sense what you say.

Regarding the solo roaming follow up I find that there is a 4th meta of play now called Hide ‘N’ Seek It can be tough getting away now with the crazy burst or cc that is going on.

Oh well, makes it fun. Also not sure if I said before but thanks for sharing. It is nice to see that people have a sense of humor and think outside of the box.

Lol. Interesting. Maybe I missed it but no target assist going on at all?

Vikkela.7261:

If the new WvW borderland maps are as vertical as I think they will be, I’ll give it a new chance there

So another niche weapon. Am I right?

Damage modifier aside, which still isn’t as powerful as other weapons currently, other will have more fun. Pointing to Necro’s and Rangers. And yes, I will at times swap to shield when I’m on maps like Skyhammer (shield and hammer) or trolling on the Mist WvW map.

Kyosji.8961:

It’s not like a ranger will use it twice in a single pvp fight anyways using the old timers. How often does a Ranger last longer than 30 seconds in a fight in WvW continuously?

Oh, often enough I’d wager. Then again it depends on blind luck, player skill level of the attacker(s), among other things. Just had several fights whereas I was out numbers anywhere from 3 to 6 vs. just me. The fact I got away would wager I lasted longer than 30 seconds. It also says I probably had some of the lower skilled players engaging in the fight but oh well.

I guess my point is that it does happen lasting 30 seconds or longer. I’d wager the higher skilled rangers here make it more so but I don’t put myself in that category.

Firelysm.4967:

I know you guys love to make PvP 101s, and i would like to challenge you guys.
I would love to see your perspective on Trapper or efficient way of using ranger trap use with power or condition build in PvP and WvW. Can you guys do that?

Spirits & Traps really feel out of place after patch, that’s why i would love to encourage you for PvP101s to see your idea behind this changes.

Traps are fine post patch. And while spirits are not flavor of the month I’m actually finding some solid use with one of them. Let us be honest, game has changed with future content in mind and several classes are out of whack.

Downside is we have to adapt or continue to get rolled. Don’t be afraid to think outside the box.

OJM.5103:

Shield can actually be clutch in some situations in PvP, people definitely take it for granted. #4 is still kitten awful but #5 can be really nice for anti-stomp, and de-capping.

In particular I think shield is fun at mid in Khylo for example; if you position the knock back right so they fall off point. Find it useful for setting up spikes as well on occasion… cheeky knock back to initiate the KO. Those are just some examples of #5 uses which people probably already know.

I do think #4 needs some major revamp though I just have no incentive to use it, yeah the protection can be beneficial to soften a blow from a spike but it needs more.

Situational but does have its giggle moments. I use it a lot of skyhammer or when I’m running around on the mist map.

Obtena.7952:

quaniesan.8497:

As Anet is convinced that the problem with shield is the CD, could we get some statistics on who has switched from Focus to gei…. shield after the awesome CDR from the latest patch.

You’re not going to get any accurate statistics from a forum thread. I believe that Anet thinks reducing CD’s makes shield a more appealing proposition and to a certain extent, it does. I don’t think the solution is very good and obviously neither do you but I don’t think this approach to demonstrate that is a very effective one if your goal is to illuminate the issue to Anet.

What I think is going on here is that Anet thinks there is problem A, players think there is problem B. If we don’t have consensus with them on what the problem is, it’s REALLY unlikely we will get a solution that seems to make sense, regardless of how many shaming threads are made about it.

Maybe, maybe not. But maybe they are just ignoring everything we say when we should just all agree that there “is” a problem. Simple really, the focus and mace block more than the shield does. It doesn’t get any clearer than that.

Honest question. Would you take a shield if you used any of the traits such as Invigorated Bulwark, Communal Defenses, or say even Might of the Protector?

Mia Crazymike.1780:

Dojo.1867:

Out of the 8 current classes 5 have teleports: Mesmer, Thief, Elementalist, Guardian, Necro. Revenant will also have teleports which makes it 6 out of 9.

I was always bothered with the fact that Guardians have a instant teleport. Feels wrong, doesn’t go with the Guardian description or lore.

It also feels wrong that I’m almost insta-gibbed by a thief or Mesmer while wearing full heavy armor. Or better yet that a tiny piece of metal, focus, blocks better than a large piece of wood/steel thingy we call a shield.

On a serious note, don’t be bothered. We do have a few but they are over rated. Honestly, I would put them up on the table for the taking if they would yield us a few other things. Keep in mind though that mobility is one of the Guardians weaknesses even though we have these so called Teleport tools – other classes can reset or disengage better than us. To include my ranger.

I actually run a similar build but it is for WvW. Skirmishing is the same. I took Empathic Bond in Wilderness and Instinctive Reaction in Nature Magic.

I run Rabid gear with trapper runes LB, Axe and Torch. Celestial ascended accessories. Sometimes I’ll run LB with SB but prefer LB for range. I’ll run flame, spike, and frost traps usually with entangle. However, lately I’ve been toying with Sun Spirit with some surprisingly good results.

Food is Garlic Kale and Master Tuning Crystals.

Aomine.5012:

Changer the Elder.2948:

Eeee…. “Signet of the Hunt”, permanent increase of movement speed by 25%? I’ve been using it ever since I started with the ranger, I swap it out for other skills as necessary and I’m a happy camper. I actually found out that ranger is one of the most agile and mobile classes in the game.

You are very new to this game do you?
While most classes get 25%~33% movement speed by taking a single trait, we always have to either sacrifice a weapon set or a signet, or something like Guard to get that 25% mobility that everyone has…

Don’t go throwing the poor Guardian on that ‘most classes’ train. Guardians suck at movement outside gimmicks much like the Ranger. Yeah, we have staff – but it is the three stooges stutter step shuffle if you want to keep up. Symbol pass through is x amount of time whereas food, boosts, traits, sigils are on. You want to get a longer duration of speed then you need to stop and stand in the symbol for 3 or 4 ticks then you can move with it lasting longer.

Remove speed from traits and place it on food or runes – that would level the playing field. Or do what DaOC did and have it as a single class ability that is granted to party members.

AmberUK.5380:

(usually because WvW rewards so poorly)

The two ton monster just fell in the room. Not only shiny objects or phat loot but also poor rewards for controlling ruins or defending towers, keeps, castle, camps, sentries, and events.

Nate.3927:

alliances while it sounds great has an obvious problem. Players can belong to multiple guilds. What if one guild you belong to wants to fight for Green, while another guild wants to fight for Red? It’s not going to work.

That is true. However, note I mentioned one alliance per player.

Bottom line is that this isn’t a new problem just that Arena Net is not being vocal on what they are or are not doing about it. Priority and money at the end of the day. Let us face it, while we do enjoy the format maybe GW2 isn’t the game for us to play in this format.

Add guild alliances across servers and tie controlling the ruins in the BL’s to create temporary portals for alliance members to join that map. While it sounds hairy the idea is that the 2nd and 3rd place servers could pull in alliance members to fight the server in first place.

You can only be in one alliance. It is at the guild level. BL/Ruins start portal. 2nd and 3rd place are allowed to open. 1st place is not. Portal can be shut by opposing servers so it requires defensive and offensive posturing.

Allows some flexibility, brings more attention to ruins and BL maps. Also encourages some team work across servers and guilds. Easy enough to add an /alliance channel for chat and teamwork. Queues shouldn’t be an issue if the server opening portal (he/she who is asking for troops) because they are already under manned. You can add queues to those joining and/or passing through.

Fluffball.8307:

Mia Crazymike.1780:

Melee rangers are more popular in GW2 than short/longbow rangers?

(In WvW) LB is by far the most popular followed by various types of condi builds. Melee rangers are pretty rare.

But on the rare occasion you do run into one, and they are good, they sure do lay down the molly whop.

Mia Crazymike.1780:

ArenaNet needs to hire actual developers. And not copypasta devs.

Lol – this made me giggle.

Seriously – not sure what they are doing really because these should be pretty obvious. So the question is do they care, try to test before patch, or is it a by product of outsourcing. Even if it was outsource to their company somewhere out in NCSoft land at least we could blame language…

Last couple of weeks does not bode well for the game client or play. Sadly only way it will change is if there is any game competitor out there for which there isn’t until 2016 if we are lucky.

Wondrouswall.7169:

Taku.6352:

With the trait you can easily leave 3 HS on the ground and get about a minute of regen from them.

Yeah. Most I was able to have out is 4. Wanted 5 to make the Olympics lokitten

, what server are you on? I say we should all get together and lay out a grid of these things somewhere…

Wondrouswall.7169:

Taku.6352:

With the trait you can easily leave 3 HS on the ground and get about a minute of regen from them.

Yeah. Most I was able to have out is 4. Wanted 5 to make the Olympics logo.

Lol – that is classic.

Chokolata.1870:

And they have not provided the 150 stats to pets they were supposed to get by default as other classes got for their mechanics. It is still only 150 if you spec into BM. The 150 base is missing.

Much patch, such wow.

I am starting to wonder do they even do an ounce of testing after code is updated.

I get it, we are not launching a space shuttle or anything but every patch seems to be borking something else up or not addressing what the code was intended to do. So who is coding this. Is this stateside or overseas…

Maybe we should all roll mesmers or a thief?

Don’t see many changes there in Tuesday’s patch…/rollseyes

PowerBottom.5796:

adding those runes would do nothing for competetive builds, because almost every condition-based build and most of the other ones (on the ranger that is), will have to run runes of the traveler.

Even though it’s a pain, it’s still the best option to get to +25% movement speed or swiftness for rangers.

I also don’t like the runes at all, since a trapper will often have to guard nodes, because thats one thing he’s good at and stealth really is more counterproductive.

If that is “one” thing the Ranger is good at then you might want them to consider adding them. It is called denial of entry not to mention the burst of speed and stealth to re-position.

Now, if they fixed the pets to gain stealth at the same time we do upon trap activation we’d be good.

Step 1: go to general forums
Step 2: read Jon’s post – “what we know”
Step 3: enjoy the game as it is today, tomorrow it won’t be this way

This isn’t a Guardian issue, it is a condition and burn issue related to the patch. If you have trouble then you shouldn’t be here to say it is a issue but here to ask a question on counter play. Furthermore, if you have a Guardian then you should also be asking what will we do once we get hit with adjustments either because:

A. they are necessary

Or B, which is what I tend to think will happen,

B. Collateral damage and disable/adjust too far burning/condition damage on Guards

Right now it is more of a post patch issue rather than Guardians being OP. They already had a trait disabled. Engineers had one. Rangers had a fix. More is coming. Hold on and in the mean time just play or take a break.

aB EXT.1287:

Eyy folks,

Just finished uploading a little vidya that I gon did this week. Had some pretty nice scraps on the borderlands and put together a montage for my channel. Although this definitely isn’t an ideal time to be comparing classes, I’ve been aching to make some new content for a while and decided to throw something up this weekend. I’d love for you to have a look!

https://youtu.be/a__RDVogOO8

The build is in the description for anyone interested

Cheeeeeeeeers!

To OP: Nice montage. Intro was a bit wobbly around the first disclaimer bit but picked up and seemed smoother as you went through the salty, rude, and of course ignored part. The ignore bit made me giggle a bit because that happens to me from time to time.

Also I’d be someone that would probably message you after death but not to be rude or salty but more to comment on you being an Asura with that hat The hat with ears and your dress up ability makes you seem all cute and cuddly but next thing I’d know I have a back full of arrows! Not nice.

To others. I personally find lack of speed in WvW a death sentence. I have a full dps/zerker set and I run into things like not keeping up with fellow havoc members or resetting and escaping. I’ve tried spare weapon and sigs to grant a few minutes after flipping camps to food to boosts. In the end it seems frustrating. I typically go back to my condi/LB/axe/torch trap build that at least keeps me closer or when solo plenty of escape options.

Thanks for sharing.

Elorna.5329:

Substance E.4852:

Crapgame.6519:

Smart play does usually win the day such as knowing when to disengage or use the map to your advantage. However, there are times when even that overcome numbers. We also know the past week or so the patch hasn’t helped any so that also goes out the window

Certainly. It just gets tiresome to see people kitten on zerg combat while holding 3-5v1 roaming up as the golden standard.

In case that’s what you think my unsaid intention with the previous post was, it’s not. I actually have a very low opinion of any and all forms of MMO PvP, GW2 included, just that zerg is an extra category below that considering the amount of players required and lower impact of individuals. Overall, I’m surprised at Anet striving so hard to balance this game based on SPvP (even though they’re not doing a good job of it). PvE is the main strength of GW2, and where the majority of players spend their time. When I feel like playing PvP I chose a different genre.

Well, if that is true then the really missed the mark because this so called PvE is pretty simple in the grand scheme of things. You want PvE then the standard has already been set by the 10 ton heavy thing that beings with a W. Most would even argue that sPvP is also better over there due to their 2, 3’s, and 5 group arena play format. Sure, it has flaws and balance issues just like any other multiplayer game but it is what it is.

WvW, a format they borrowed from DaOC, to include the original relics that are no longer functioning, is what sets it apart from the game that starts with a W. Max battle is 40×40 and lasts 30 minutes. Here we go for a week and only queue until side capacity is reached.

Anyway – back to rangers and sucking. It is an opinion and I’d doubt the OP would agree with those that think otherwise. There is a lot going on with the patch that makes some classes look better than others. Some things have been fixed, others not.

I think it would be wise to hold off on the sucking part until a few more tweaks are made. Just my opinion anyway.

I run a condition build for WvW using LB, Axe, and Torch. Rabid armor, trapper ruins, celestial ascended accessories. Skirmish, Wilderness, and Nature Magic are the trait lines with flame/spike traps, sun spirit, and entangle. Healing spring, eagle, and wolf.

Works well regardless of party size but seems to excel for me with 5. Solo roaming has been easy peasy. Loving sun spirit and most people don’t know what to do with it.

Substance E.4852:

Elorna.5329:

Why are people in this thread even talking about zerg fights as something worth wasting words on? Whatever you bring there, as long as it’s not a “GvG”, won’t matter if you don’t outnumber the other team (or have some other advantage like siege).

I see BG zergs run over larger TC and JQ zergs constantly because of good comp and people who know what they are doing. Numbers only comes into play when its grossly disproportionate or the teams are about even in ability.

So, ya. It matters.

Smart play does usually win the day such as knowing when to disengage or use the map to your advantage. However, there are times when even that overcome numbers. We also know the past week or so the patch hasn’t helped any so that also goes out the window

Rangers are fine. I run both zerker and condition/traps and having fun. Even spirits come in handy I’m finding which is really odd.

If I can find the patch somewhat successful and rangers being ok has an average player I’d say Rangers are down right OP in the hands of skilled players.

Red is dead. Take it to Obsidian Sanctum.

Dondarrion.9530:

Half the people on this thread are kittened or have no idea what anet just done. They did NOT just disable our bugged and admittedly OP grenade barrage, they disabled the grenadier trait, essentially halving our dps and it is much harder to land hits again. they reverted our nade kit to pre-patch conditions while every other class hits for 10k+ using autoattacks only.
they fkd us over big time. This is much worse thanthe mortar nerf.

Sky is falling, right?

Everything isn’t about engineers so it isn’t about you, ok? They also disabled Guardians trait that was also abused. They also hot fixed Rangers before they disabled traits. They are aware of other classes so their time is coming.

Do what Frankie does and Relax.

Interesting video. Some of those fights I have no idea what the people you are fighting are doing. Several occasions you are out numbers yet they are fighting you solo

Run Grenadier builds like everyone else the past week or so. Oh wait – too late to join on that bandwagon

I find it ironic that people are actually trying to defend the broken trait. No different than Guardians or Rangers trying to defend their broken abilities.

The question people should be asking is why did this patch get released. Was it a hard date? Was it based on the future code and expansion pack? Or was it that it was just missed due to lack of “real” players outside a confined test environment? I think we all know gamers find new and unique ways to abuse game environments hence the request for test servers.

Nil.4320:

They look really strong!

I would be interested in the WvW-version of your builds. Do you have any suggestions?!

I have a version if you want to try that I’m currently using in WvW. I can’t take credit for it since I’ve been pilfering the builds posted and using bits and pieces with my trap armor set.

I only use this in WvW – mostly solo or a group of 3 – 5 players. My play style is to stay at range, use traps to catch stealth/thieves, and CC the runners. Target assist then go into rapid fire and send eagle to fly free.

It isn’t great but gives you an idea assuming the URL / editor works.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAT3fjMqQ7KWuCOrAVLGcEq+bj1KgDgJ/y9O/DG9CWVA-TlSAABCp+D8PAAF1Bs++DRqEciLAwMaGA4IAkmyvOOIABAQAYoH9oH9oHtQAsnAA-w

Edit: I’m not good on the food buffs and get yelled at a lot because I forget it When I do remember I judge it off eBay’s WvW population. I run mango pie for healing, prickly pear pie and ghost pepper for fun, and when zergs are out – condition.

Edit 2: ItIsFinished – didn’t mean to hijack, just replying to poster. I guess I should have sent PM.

Rangers was probably an easy fix.

Guardians – not so much but has been stated will be fixed any moment.

Engineers – who knows. Should be removed like Guardians until further notice. However, it wasn’t until Mag showed up with a group of Engineers wrecking faces and taking names. I hear they are going to do similar with Engineers – let us hope so as that is a good attention getter.

Do the boys and girls a favor who do this on Mag. Send them unidentified dyes or some silver for their time. If it wasn’t for them Guardians would still be f’ing up the game.