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Interesting to say the least. Then again in hot join / rated I always thought Clerics worked well with the Druid and found the supporting role playable. I honestly can’t saw how it would work above Ruby or with those running pre-made.

I’ll probably give your build a try since it is similar. More so probably because that play style (healing) works in confined spaces that sPvP provide. I can’t see this working no matter how much they buff it in WvW which is where I mostly play.

Thanks for sharing. Also totally unrelated, what type of bird do you have. And no, I’m not a stalker. Just a thing for situational awareness due to a previous line of work.

This should be fun to watch.

I’m sure they are busy but it seems some Ranger or Druid specific bugs (OP or not intended) get fixed super quick whereas other classes get left alone for years.

Let’s hope it is treated with equal urgency as the Druid was treated post HoT release.

I think their buff was to have all Guards/DH’s roll thieves

EnderzShadow.2506:

Crapgame.6519:

EnderzShadow.2506:

and again, if you are taking psychology hypothesis into account while watching a leeto vid, you are doing it wrong. I think half of his show is a ‘put on’.

He reached legendary rank btw, not as bad as he may act.

Right on par with those who have a dragon finisher, right?

No. I disagree.
Have you got to Legendary? I haven’t. Maybe it’s that I can’t handle the grind. It certainly is a grind, a grind where the game is designed to keep you at a win loss ratio of 50%. Lose to a team you ‘should of beat’— o so sorry, lose 1, 2 or 3 pips.

Sure there are plenty of people who have cheated their way to Rank 80. To get to Legendary, you have to be pretty good.

You more or less answered me. Tragic hit it spot on though

As you alluded two, plenty of people cheated to Rank 80. Boosts and other things we won’t mention. My point is that “Diamond or Legendary” doesn’t matter for this season. We have all either witness first hand, stayed out, or joined the other side because, well, they are doing it why shouldn’t I, mind set. Hopefully things will be different next time, if there is one.

To Tragic’s point. It is more or less a grind. Some played one class, others choose an alt that either they played better, or had a easier time due to balance. I am not going to take it away by any means because there are some who played by the rules and are just better than me or others.

My pint to this is rather simple. So what if they have legendary or diamond status or a status higher than me (which they do). It doesn’t mean they are experts in the class. Upon first glance with this particular player it is contrary whereas many pointed out he didn’t play to the classes base abilities and anger by reporting in the end.

Just my opinion.

^^ Fluff is correct. Not sure about others but pre-HoT I used it a lot with my trapper set. SB, Axe, Torch. Worked well. Not great in the larger battles but solo, duo for scouting, flipping camps, or NPC’s it is good. Well, used to be good.

HoT I’ve tried it a few times with conditions or bleeds. Due to the power creep I prefer more range and damage that the LB can provide.

King Cephalopod.7942:

Crapgame I think you used it right but I’d probably use homogeneous myself. Obtena did you not read anything beyond the first sentence of my last response to you?

Gosh dang it, that is what I was thinking of, doh! Burnt again by typing faster than I can think

EnderzShadow.2506:

and again, if you are taking psychology hypothesis into account while watching a leeto vid, you are doing it wrong. I think half of his show is a ‘put on’.

He reached legendary rank btw, not as bad as he may act.

Right on par with those who have a dragon finisher, right?

Does it really matter what the designers, developers, or publisher post on their web portal what class is designed to do or be? That boat sailed a long time ago after launch. Especially since all classes are more or less homologous. Hmm…did I use that correctly? Anyway, you get what I mean. They all have similar abilities just some do it better than what was originally intended.

Again, see no specific role or responsibility rather trait the way you want to play. That may have been possible in Rift, well, not really, but it isn’t really working out here either.

To Super – search your favorite engine and do something like GW2 dulfy live stream notes. She wrote some stuff down that was talked about and should make it in Tuesday’s patch. Beyond that it is all up in the air.

Maybe Guardians will get their bow increases to 1500. The Druid I’m sure will get some nerfs, they can’t have anything nice and they are a bunch of cry babies (note I main one these days so I include myself in that assessment). The thief, well, they are excited. Mesmers don’t know what to do. Revs will be the same and the list goes on and on.

Peace.

AivenPrimus.9184:

And this is exactly what, salty druid player would say…

All players get salty one time or another and this isn’t unique to the Druid. So not cool.

Ever since HoT came, PvP has been going deeper into kitten,
and ’’balance’’ patches becomes even more ridiculous every time.

Not just a Druid issue although we probably had the quickest and fastest changes than any other class. Ever take a step back and think about how many beta weekends Druids got compared to other classes? And then some of those “other” classes had more and are more unbalanced. So pot meet kettle.

They are complete joke in PvP,
just like cancer druids who require little to no skill to be decent, since all you have to do is AFK heal while your Bristleback/Smokescale shreds every enemy…

No skill – ok. I guess the Revenant takes all kinds of skill to master, or the Mesmer, or diamond skin ele, or any other class.

Sure, most Rangers or Druids are running bristleback and smokescale. What of it? I was running a bear yesterday and was called a farmer…go figure. Issue is just depends on what people are doing. Guess what, you can’t ignore the pet anymore but that doesn’t mean the druid can go afk, the pet still has to be managed for optimum dps.

This is generalization but of the few diamond druids I’ve seen I’ve asked them all what class they played through the various PvP games. Only 1 that I’ve asked said they played their druid. Everyone else ele, rev, with one shocking me saying they actually preferred Guardians…go figure.

New borderland maps cater to gliding.

But…if truth be told the whole gliding thing really reminds me of when I played Aion. Not sure if I would have implemented it in the expansion but that is just my opinion.

Straegen.2938:

Crapgame.6519:

Original DaOC nor any expansion have or require macros (would get you banned) nor did it have 99 keystrokes. No more or less than gw2 today. CU, I’m not sure but would assume it will be similar.

DAoC had two default action bars and players could add more. It also had built in macros (/macro command). Did you play the game? Not using multiple action bars and macros would be a tedious affair in that game especially since it didn’t have something like fast ground targeting.

Yup, played it. Thane, Suppression Spiritmaster, and Pac healer. Also Master Level 10. Midgard/Igraine. Go figure. Honestly, forget my realm rank.

Didn’t use macro’s outside of a target assist. other than that I can honestly say I don’t recall having anywhere near that many bars. Maybe I should go back and look at some of my videos

It isn’t anything like Wow’s though, that is for sure.

Working as intended. Camp supers, tower lords, keep lords, they are all revolting, calling their Unions, and boycotting the place the devs make them call home.

So what is the problem again?

Edit: What, do you think this is just unique to your server? It is game wide.

Jski.6180:

Entenkommando.5208:

Jski.6180:

You mean RvR is dead becuse there no other rvr game type out there other then GW2 WvW and that not surprising becuse RvR never last all that long at high number in NA. Its just not a game type that has a long life becuse it going to burn ppl out becuse of the 24/7 game play.

daoc is a clear example that this kind of gameplay can live over 10 years with monthly subs if you do it properly.

That good at all but daoc never was that big and it needed that sub fee to keep going with its pop. At the same time daoc was in a different gaming time where rvr was a comply new thing and with out other pure pvp games out there it has no real composition for both game type and from other pvp like mmorpg games. Times are very different now something like daoc (the old one) would never make it becuse its way too much time investment to have the number of ppl to keep it going.

The truth of things is its worth a lot more money to keep these games going (mmorpg) you need a good size pop to make it worth making/keeping it running. RvR at least pure rvr games do not have that power any more (all though they never realy did in NA its just not a popular game type).

Actually the only thing that hurt DaOC was their thought they had to introduce PvE content to a game that didn’t have it has a design by nature. Meaning WoW was release and started to peel off subscribers. To counter they release Trials of Atlantis. Had some nice stuff but the whole master levels, artifacts, scrolls, gear, grind, and what not killed it. I recall doing raids back then for master levels taking 5 or 6 hours if not more…

Then you enter RvR with a master level 10, very few at the time originally completed it, and it broke the balance big time. So yeah, PvE hurt it. Notice how PvE usually means imbalance issues with PvP games? That is what we are seeing here also.

Anyway to the OP. RIP? Only die hard players, the regulars, like the drunks at a bar, will show up. They’ll/we’ll find enjoyment or try to regardless of odds. However, we’ll also tire out over time and close shop. Does that mean we go to EoTM or other games, time will tell.

Personally speaking I would have voted that Arena Net put money and resources to the WvW meta a year and a half ago. That is just my opinion though. Find away to make the format more evenly distributed with players across all time zones. Either by reduced score week, changing score calculations, build alliances, server merg, remove server score all together and focus on players, classes, guilds, and alliances. Lots of options, they know this.

Also what is hurting is that there really isn’t a solid WvW like format in other games. Sure, they have something. Or they have confined maps/arena’s battle grounds. But open world pvp on a large scale just isn’t really done. And, that would be due to balance issues like we are seeing.

I’m not trying to be a whiney wench. Lord knows I hate this weeks match up vs. Maguuma. Numbers are just nowhere near balanced when you field 20 and they field 200. Even solo you always run up vs. a pair.

Try to have fun, tomorrow is another day.

Morgan.5170:

So I tried to put as much cc into a single guardian build as possible. I came up with at least eleven different sources equipped at once.

Did you include runes, food, and sigils? I think Amins had a troll/laugh build surrounding chill.

I don’t get it – balance around amulets/stats rather than actually looking at the class, traits, and go from there. Pointing at Revs as just one example of what is broke…

I didn’t watch the video but Miaze, if it was you he reported I would send a support ticket to arena net and link the video. Then explain the time stamp to show the report if they don’t want to watch it all.

They probably know better and don’t do anything with reports like that but still. There is no reason to report someone just because you lose. If that is the case everyone on Maguuma who is playing WvW would be banned next week because of the frustration Ebay is having due to their massive numbers

Yet we roll on and play.

TheLastNobody.8319:

Crapgame.6519:

If their intent is to make pets DPS part of the overall Ranger package then it needs a boost actually. In fact, we need more. Those little packs of raptors that kitten us all off would be nice. I can’t say how many times I’d love one of those frogs we’ve all run into – yeah, they would be sort of cool.

Anyway – no, we don’t need any downward adjustments with pets. They actually need boosts or allow our food to carry over to include pets stats. Maybe I am a minority but the level of pets AI and attacks pale in comparison to Sally, Zoey, Jessie, and Sharon, AKA Mesmer clones.

Oh man I would love seeing druid’s running around with a little pack of pocket raptors.

I know, really! I mean think of it has like our little cluster bomb of light and love
Heck, leave the AI the way it is now how they sort of run amuck, scatter, then converge. Would be pretty cool.

If their intent is to make pets DPS part of the overall Ranger package then it needs a boost actually. In fact, we need more. Those little packs of raptors that kitten us all off would be nice. I can’t say how many times I’d love one of those frogs we’ve all run into – yeah, they would be sort of cool.

Anyway – no, we don’t need any downward adjustments with pets. They actually need boosts or allow our food to carry over to include pets stats. Maybe I am a minority but the level of pets AI and attacks pale in comparison to Sally, Zoey, Jessie, and Sharon, AKA Mesmer clones.

Fluffball.8307:

Hold on to your cele gear, especially since it’s very time expensive to make. Its good for WvW.

I’ll tell you this, I agonized over what to make ascended for a while. I liked part of the Minstrel set, then sinister, vipers, cleric, etc. Then said oh well, make the heavy armor for my Guardian.

Said forget it, Celestial it is and I’ll use the accessories to tweak. That is what I ended up doing along with durability runes. Probably not ideal but seems to work.

This is all find and dandy. However, are other classes being changed accordingly and brought down to a level playing field? Because right now it isn’t.

Clearly we can agree there is a pretty wide class separation with regards to classes that have it all vs. those that don’t.

morrolan.9608:

Crapgame.6519:

At the end of the day it isn’t about free or subscription. It is about a company that takes this format of play more serious or puts it in the forefront. Right now with HoT it isn’t the case nor has it been previously. Their focus right or wrong is:

1. Raid content
2. eSports

You got that wrong, their focus is:

1. Gem store
2. Grind to facilitate players buying gems

I always say I have the right to be incorrect You just pointed out why I say that

You are correct. Have to pay the bills I guess, yeah?

Zerk or bust in PvE. No reason to run anything else. LB for max range.

Other weapons are whatever suit your play style. I’d run sword warhorn but that is just me. In this game you can PvE naked and do well although there are those who will min, max, and compose a group for speed. Find your group and play on.

Heck, 10 Guardians just posed their raid results. Those poor boys and girls cry louder than we Druids do. can’t be all that bad if 10 of them did a raid together.

Why did you include it as WvW? Just wondering.

For WvW I actually run similar Druid and Wilderness traits. However, I run Beast mastery instead for companions might, natural healing, and beastly warden.

Ascended celestial armor with superior rune of durability and berserker accessories. Seems to work with me but does limit my options for escape. So I try and initiate the fight while roaming.

Straegen.2938:

CU is very old school MMO. I am sure that is great for some old school MMO players but it is a hard adjustment after the semi-action oriented nature of GW2. I don’t think I can go back to that style of play where I have to master 99 different keystrokes and macro the hell out of everything.

Crowfall looks interesting. Course ESO did as well. One can only hope they pull this one off.

Albion… uhhh… an Ultima Online in a sandbox mode running on a bunch of platforms. Almost every part of that sentence reads like a failure.

Original DaOC nor any expansion have or require macros (would get you banned) nor did it have 99 keystrokes. No more or less than gw2 today. CU, I’m not sure but would assume it will be similar.

WoW, on the other hand, yeah – skill bar three rows if not more deep

At the end of the day it isn’t about free or subscription. It is about a company that takes this format of play more serious or puts it in the forefront. Right now with HoT it isn’t the case nor has it been previously. Their focus right or wrong is:

1. Raid content
2. eSports

The proposed balance patch is to address 1 and 2 above and nothing else. Those players who focus on WvW are asked to wait again. How large of a player base that is, I don’t know. Judging by the priority of updating the format I’d say pretty low. Lets face it, it is a business. They will put bodies on the highest return on investment….

What, you don’t like having to log in at a set time to do any of the events that our expansion pack, HoT, yields?

I mean I sort of liked the way GW2 was casual with regards to “I” can login when “I” want to and play the way “I” wanted to play. Compared to post HoT whereas “I” “now” have to login at a “set” time to “play” the game the way “gw2 developers” want me to play.

Yeah, this whole HoT expansion sucks kittens. If I had access to the data I’d run some SQL to see how much time each account has played pre and post HoT. I’d wager an adult beverage or two that the 90th percentile would be most accounts are spending less time in game today than pre-expansion.

That right there is telling how the pulse of the game is. Not how much you earned of client sales due to hype and hope.

Hexalot.8194:

morrolan.9608:

Hexalot.8194:

Blix.8021:

You would prefer the gw2 model where they don’t make any content except pretty stuff in the cash shop? Yeah, free to play model is SO good /s

Won’t miss your type when CU comes out this year or next.

Well ironically, chances are you’ll be rejoining “my type” soon enough when your precious CU goes f2p 6 months after launch like virtually all the subscription mmos who think they can copy WoW’s success.

Your just displaying your ignorance of CU. How is a purely RvR game trying to copy WoW?

And you’re displaying your lack of comprehension. What part of “subscription model” did you not get ?

As in… trying to copy WoW’s subscription model ?

The things you have to spell out nowadays…

Ironically, WoW’s subscription model is fine and still going strong. In fact, there is no other MMO in the history that is doing well as they are. And I played through Lich King. Others before had a model just not the content to some degree or culture / following that Warcraft has. EQ and DaOC both did well until they tried to copy WoW, not that their model was dyeing. Mytic / DaOC will tell you they failed because they tried to add PvE to a game designed from the ground up to be PvP only…go figure.

Don’t get me wrong, I see your point about the concept of GW and their content purchasing. However, they lack the income from subscriptions or their publisher to hire people to get kitten done. That is the bottom line. It is more important to get gem stuff or expansions out for income rather than having teams actually build the content to keep the game and players flowing.

There are games as you allude to that started out with subscriptions and either failed (AOC or Warhammer for example) or others that went F2P after (Rift, SWtOR). However, some even go back to subscription – look at SWtOR.

Who knows. I’m sure we can all agree that there isn’t anything today or tomorrow that the GW2 team is doing to save it. Its a bust and now they are talking about another expansion pack before this one is even fixed. I sort of think they know it is a failure or not what they intended.

Server match-ups.
Population balance.
Power creep.
Class balance issues.
Obsidian sanctum empty.
New maps, yeah nice, empty.
Low populated servers can’t support all maps, defend or attack.
No rewards.
No player portal by class, guild, server, player name, etc.
PvE still pulls ahead with regards to time invested vs. reward.
CC / red circles of death.
No rewards for solo players, duos, or defending.
Busted orbs, removed.

List goes on and on…

I believe you Hex – I just missed it probably or not looked. That would be a major disappointment.

While the grass isn’t always greener GW2 and WvW needs competition. And that is one game to deliver it. 3 years so far and we don’t have much to show for it with regards to WvW

Conner.4702:

They have been using a K.I.S.S. method, different meaning though. Killing It Shockingly Slow

Lol. Well played.

Hexalot.8194:

Crapgame.6519:

Camelot Unchained baby. If you haven’t blown this popsicle stand by then, you will once your friends tell you about it.

Blow this popsicle stand for an MMO that has stated it will be going the monthly subscription route ?

LOL… I don’t blame anyone deciding to jump ship if they’ve had enough (game mode is indeed in it’s death throes), but hell if I’m going back to that obsolete format.

I doubt they will go the route of monthly subs but then again they haven’t mentioned it one way or another. I do agree with you though. Buying content once is nice. Mythic didn’t start it actually although not sure if that is what you are implying. Few other MMO’s prior to charged monthly. Anyway something needs to yield because the current state of WvW is a train wreck.

Although I can see the allure of Edge of the Mists. It is only 3 hours compared to a week. Imagine if you will if you played on my match-up this week, rank 5 servers. Maguuma (11th), Kaineng (17th WTF Arena Net), and Ehmry Bay (13th). First off poor Kaineng doesn’t stand a chance and doesn’t even belong in this match up. That leaves E’Bay and Maguuma inline with their proper rangs 11th and 13th respectively. 12th, Northern Shiverspeaks, threw the match last week and now are getting their @sses handed to them by 14th Darkhaven and Henge of Denravi.

Why do I raise this? Because even if the servers aligned with their respected numbers or + or – one, a server runs into the dreaded population vs. wall clock coverage wall and can’t do crap. That is exactly what is happening now with our match up. Maguuma has incredible numbers but can only climb so far before they hit their wall. Ehmry Bay is exactly in the same boat but a step or two lower than Mag.

Kaineng – poor kittens are collateral damage to this kitten poor ranking code. And I’m not even on their server. So yeah, why play WvW on your server when you don’t stand a chance? Enter Edge of the Mists and at least you can do something or see it change in 3 hours.

kitten the machine, the system is corrupted.

Zerk meta is still in full force. You will read various things about other classes doing support better than the Druid. Who knows really at the end of the day.

GW2 Raid content != WoW’s. In this case the first go around of trying to tank, support/heal and DPS is still kitten poor so most expect zerk. Heck, there was a 10 guardian raid video posted. Sort of proves the point it doesn’t matter what you bring…

While I agree we don’t need something called “next level”. The game ebbs and flows to the flavor of the month classes and traits. I get it. But I’m not sure I agree with the bottom dweller piece. I mean come on, the thief is not a bottom dweller. I mean I’m not going to argue semantics over it so we just disagree – all good.

Nerf it all they want, but they need to increase the range to match the Ranger’s LB.

Smite condition buff isn’t better than what some other classes got. Nor will it raise the Guardian to the next level.

Until Arena Net decides to look at the data they have this game isn’t going anywhere and it will never be balanced. It is a good attempt and shows willingness but it isn’t anywhere near what needed to be done.

Then again, I don’t get it. People kitten and moan yet continue to play. If it really is that bad, put your money where your mouth is and stop playing. Then, and only then, will the development and design team understand people are sick of the crap they are writing or putting out. Seriously…

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Amineo.8951:

“Guardong and Teef sucks in Raid, take Harold/Bernzirker pls” Nice joke…

Suck is a relative term.

Its true however that there is absolutely nothing in the current game a guardian can do that an engineer, ele or rev cannot do better + the fact that they do more damage & provide more healing.

That is the same for any other class though, not just Guardians. While I do agree some classes are more broke than others, it is the state of the game. I play both Guardian and Druid, both seem weak to me.

Unless you are running the same old broke classes or new love child, forget it. But then again, PvE in this game is kitten anyway. I mean anyone can gear up zerk and complete content. We are not talking about WoW quality of raid material…

LughLongArm.5460:

I think that ranger is one of the professions that is most suited to deal with thives burst rotations. Thives atack style is very “in and out” oriented with fair intervals. Even pre HoT, thives had big issues to break through bark skin+ protective ward as they both activates on the initail attack, and while on the thief combo points charging intervals, we used to re-heal for full hp and grind the thief down. Evasive purity also is superb vs thives as it clease all of the thives main 3 condis(poison/blind/cripple), vs thives Evasive purity is probably one the most efficient condi removals.( I’m not even talking about the druid defensive capabilities and other active defences).
We have anti-stealth mechanics like Sic’em/taunt/rapid fire/spike barrage(brist F2).

So if you ask me, thives despreitly needed a buff, and you can be sure that if rangers will suffer hard from thives, many of the other professions are insta dying.

I could be a bad player, but I sure in the hell don’t see it that way. On my Guardian, sure. The thief isn’t an issue. Ranger, I just hang my head and sigh.

It isn’t that players wanted new maps, new maps are fine. However, the maps are too big vs. some of the servers population. Basically there was no thought put into the maps and what they would do or not do based on the various servers and populations. The maps are so large that there is no way the middle tier and below can field players in EBG and their own home borderland. Furthermore, if they wanted to go on the offensive, they sure in the hell can’t support EBG, Homland, and any of the other enemy border maps.

So it isn’t about the map per say. It is about the size of maps, how many, and of course the on going broken class(es) that are breaking the format. Nothing done for single contributors, nothing for guilds, nothing for basically anyone unless you kittening zerg.

And don’t get me on my soap box about their silly match making and server alignment/tiers. No skill right now – it is all about the population and wall clock coverage.

tichai.4351:

Many thanks for fixing the 0% wall bug in EB and for getting those wandering NPC’s back to work in their rightful place.

Um…not sure what you are seeing but the NPC wandering bug is still around loud and clear. I can’t tell you how many NPC quatermasters are so far out of the keep they might as well be in another zone.

So no, not really fixed. And camp supers are still spawning in different places. Oh well.

Just let it go really and move on. Maybe you do, maybe not, but I figured the PvE content I did do so far, HoT maps, done and fun. Money would have went to Starbucks or another coffee shop for me more or less. So this fine and will hold me over until CU comes out.

Just teasing on the cheated part – it did make me giggle. They really didn’t do anything like that. Just didn’t deliver to what some expected is all. No harm, no foul.

Lol – cheated. Nice.

Several games with similar play due out in ‘16. Do a bit of searching. Maybe one will catch your attention. I’d point out CU. They are the developers who created the format of play anyway. Will it be good, who knows.

A.net had 3 years to address WvW. I’d say people are done waiting and will slowly let it die. Only servers left standing will be the top 3. Rest will go play other things or consoles.

NSP – you are on a server that is 11th. Basically what that means is that you move up until your population succumbs to the server with a higher 24×7 (wall clock) coverage. Welcome to the middle tier. Ehmry Bay is similar and in fact we just faced you two weeks or so ago. Only reason why you guys won is because, well, my 2nd sentence sums it up. You have more people…

Personally speaking I’d say stay where you are and see if you can help your server gain rather than jumping ship. Not sure why you say you can’t find anyone on that server because just last week or so I saw a kitten ton. In fact, I hardly found any solo or duo players – only zergs. And those few I saw solo ran like little skrit.

Higher tiers have more players. More players mean more queues on certain days. Higher tiers, more players, means more blobs or zergs. Just how it is. Does it mean they have more skill? No, they don’t. Just means more players to do more stuff. If that is your thing, join.

But honestly your server isn’t that bad. The problem is Arena Net, not NSP.

Does anyone think otherwise? They have had close to three years to fix WvW and have yet to do so. Edge of Mists was supposed to be the sand box / beta play ground to try new things. All it is is a quick place to level, badge, and gear up more or less. In some cases it is actually better than the traditional WvW map due to HoT and the new borderland maps. While nice, they are too large for most servers so they are a ghost town.

In 9 months Camelot Unchained will be out, or should, and any former DaOC player who is still around will instantly move. Those who don’t know about it but like the WvW format of play, well, they will read about it and more than likely check it out.

Poof – there goes what little player base you have left. SpVp can’t hold any player long enough and esport, forget it. Better games. HoT more or less sealed the fate of GW2. 23rd patch or whatever the date is for releases didn’t do much either to fix anything.

Edit: Best thing GW2 has going is that it is F2P. However, I’m willing to bet many others won’t be suckered into buying another expansion pack.

This isn’t difficult. Set a point amount per player and distribute points to those around during the kill. Those that tapped or did damage or support/heal/clear conditions within area.

Set a decay rate so if the same player is killed within a short period of time point value is reduced. Point decrease/decay increases to prevent the feeding of points or zergs killing people on lower populated servers.

If we say set 100 points for a player. A zerg of 10 kills him. Each would get 10 points. If a roamer / solo hit same player they would get max points, 100. If the same player gets killed by the solo/roamer or zerg he/she isn’t worth 100 points anymore, they are worth 50….if they are killed within say 5 or 10 minutes of last death.

This whole point system is failed due to wall clock coverage and tiers. Personally I’d throw it all out and put the focus on players and ranks. Build a portal, weekly stats across the servers and game, and let it sort itself out.

This format of play is dead and the patch isn’t helping any.

These are probably it which is a bit sad if truth be told. As Cheese said anything else will probably be minor or small. I just don’t see these changes doing much with regards to the overall power or cc creep. And nothing about WvW worth a kitten .

Dulfy wrote up the live stream notes. That was posted on Reddit and somewhat in real-time. So yeah, good chance of being accurate.

Although most notable was the change to Alacrity. About time really so now it is dropped to 33%.

Prophet.1584:

anet didn’t create zerging the players did.

I don’t want to argue or debate semantics but this is not a correct statement. No, they didn’t create the format because it goes back to early MMO’s. Heck, they didn’t even create WvW format of play, they tried to copy the more popular RvR that DaOC had.

Anyway my point is that while no they didn’t create it they sure in the hell encourage it and allowed it to become the primary play style in WvW. There is no reward system or equal return on investment of time to the solo, duo, trio, or party when compared to the Zerg/Commander/Tag following. Just isn’t there and all the players know it.

If truth be told the only reason why the remaining player base of WvW is even there is because there are not any other options. So while the numbers decrease, and a few transfers here or there happen, it is a dying meta. Creating the new WvW map, while excellent is size and overall asthetics, is too large for the bottom half of the server list. Compound easier stuff on the Edge of the Mist maps, well, gets us to our current state.

The designers could have created something better to encourage and reward most play styles that would limit or reduce the Zerg. It will always be there like I said and has been for other games – nor is it unique to GW2. But the designers sure in the hell didn’t do anything to fix it the last couple of years…

Nor in HoT.

Prophet.1584:

anet didn’t create zerging the players did.

I don’t want to argue or debate semantics but this is not a correct statement. Arena net most certainly created it. It isn’t unique to GW2, sure but that play style has been around for a while now with similar games going as far back to early MMO’s with an open world PvP format. Just look at DaOC. Sure, we ran in groups of 8 those who liked that formant, skill, challenge, and had the ego’s but that didn’t stop solo players, small guilds, or pugs tagging along. Before you know it that 8 turned into 16, etc. I mean how do you think people took relics? 300 players in the same area = a zerg

WvW was based on DaOC RvR – they’ve even hinted at it. Look at the retail/launch ORBs as one example. It is just sadly no where near the same level DaOC was with regards to player portals for various stats by class, player, guild, or alliance. But that is another story. My point is the designers have the game set up such that Zerging equals a win more than any other game. Don’t believe it, look at the reward system and return on play time when solo, duo, group, or zerg.

Rewards are not there for players who defend, support, or play in small groups. Just not there. DaOC for example had points per player, distributed by players attacking, area, and also a fall off of killing the same player. So if I killed a solo player I’d get max realm points vs a zerg of 20 killing the same player. 1,000 to me solo or 50 to the 20 ganking / zerging the same person.

So yeah – zerg is faster and really the only option in the WvW meta at the moment. WvW, Edge of the Mists, etc.

Fun, eh?

WvW / support healer – Druid just doesn’t cut it due to the fast dynamics and pace. Let us face it, some classes are broke (pointing at revenants) others have unbalanced skills (points to diamond skin elementals), and then there is the whole CC / red circle of death crap on the ground whereas we all are playing the who can do what kitten Van kitten all taught us as kids to do when on fire. Stop, Drop, and Roll…in GW2 layman terms, dodge

Sure, maybe in Raids we are fine. Sure, maybe in sPvP – although I’m not 100% I’d agree but I can be incorrect, I guess 2 out of 3 isn’t bad. WvW on the other hand Druids are not great and honestly that roles should have went to the Guardian. We don’t need multiple heave armor classes in my opinion but maybe my opinions are off topic.

Just saying I see your point Swag and whole heartedly agree. Druid and WvW just doesn’t seem to flow well at the moment due to something…

Swagger.1459:

Being a true zerg/mass healer will not come to pass as advertised at twithcon… Next elite will come out this year and it will be another mess that is stuffed into all the other messes.

This is the one thing I was hoping the Druid would do well. At this point in time any class would be good but I originally thought the Guardian would be ideal based on the description. Then with HoT they mentioned the Druid – ok, maybe this one will do the trick although medium armor. Nope, wrong again.

WvW sadly is nothing more than massive CC, stability chaining, and red circles of death and decay.

So what is the sPvP build with the Druid that uses a LB?

Not saying that celestial or crusader amulet is a crutch but outside the pew pew zerk build for Stronghold I’ve not see much success with LB on other maps. Well, Temple map due to height also works.

This is for ranked of course. I’m still in the cheese levels so can’t imaging this working above Ruby though.